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LizF
11-14-2007, 09:27 AM
Get Kids Vaccinated Or Else, Parents Told
Pr. George's Threatens Legal Action

By Nelson Hernandez
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, November 14, 2007; B01

The parents of more than 2,300 Prince George's County students who failed to get needed vaccinations could face fines of $50 a day and up to 10 days in jail if their children do not meet the state's immunization requirements, county officials said yesterday.

The threat of legal action is a last resort after months in which Prince George's has struggled to get its 131,000 students immunized for chicken pox and hepatitis B, as mandated by the state. More than 2,300 students have not been immunized and have been barred from attending schools, almost two months after a Sept. 20 deadline for meeting the requirement.

"We can do this the easy way or the hard way, but it's got to get done," Prince George's State's Attorney Glenn F. Ivey (D) said at a news conference in Upper Marlboro. "I'm willing to move forward with legal action."

School officials have made calls, sent letters and conducted home visits to make arrangements for free appointments for the needed shots. But often the students' addresses and phone numbers have been outdated, making contacting them difficult. Other students have received the vaccines but failed to get the necessary booster shots.

The school system turned to the justice system as a final option and received the backing of Circuit Judge William D. Missouri, the county's administrative judge, and Circuit Judge C. Philip Nichols Jr., who handles juvenile matters.

"This is an educational crisis," said R. Owen Johnson Jr., chairman of the school board. "This is a public health and a children's rights issue."

Nichols and Ivey sent another round of letters to the families still out of compliance. Nichols's letter ordered the parents to show up at Prince George's Circuit Court for a court hearing and a free vaccine; Ivey's letter warned that "unexcused absences by your child may subject you to a criminal charge."

They expect almost 1,700 children to show up Saturday with their parents for the first in a series of Circuit Court hearings on the matter. School officials said the parents would receive a verbal reprimand from the judge and be ordered to have their children immunized in the courthouse. The students would then be allowed to return to school.

Parents who do not appear could face fines of $50 for each day they fail to get their children immunized after being charged. They also could serve up to 10 days in jail. Ivey said he hoped charging parents would not be necessary.

"The goal is to get kids in school, not to put parents in jail," Ivey said.

Missouri said he looked forward to talking to the parents who had not gotten their children immunized, to understand why.

"I'd like to know exactly what the reasons are because the reasons may be able to be addressed without ratcheting it up to this point," he said.

Schools officials said they were sorry the crisis had gone this far, but that it needed to be solved immediately.

"This has really, really been a difficult time for us," said Betty Despenza-Green, the school system's chief of student services. "It hurts us when any child is out of school because he needs to be immunized, and so we felt we needed to be creative. We need those students immunized. We need them in schools."




Link to article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/13/AR2007111301408.html

Kregener
11-14-2007, 09:32 AM
http://www.newswithviews.com/Dean/carolyn37.htm

freelance
11-14-2007, 09:59 AM
The senior citizens will be next. Show up or you won't get your social security check. Or, maybe it'll be employees--show up or you won't be able to work.

DanConway
11-14-2007, 10:37 AM
Chicken pox? Some vaccinations I can understand requiring, because they're for diseases that are often deadly. But no one dies from chicken pox. Chicken pox? Seriously? That's a required vaccine? I'm still in college, and within my lifetime that one didn't even exist.

Meatwasp
11-14-2007, 02:38 PM
You can get out of vacinating your kids by saying it's against your religion. It worked for me when the boys were little

noxagol
11-14-2007, 03:10 PM
http://www.newswithviews.com/Dean/carolyn37.htm

Interesting article.

amonasro
11-14-2007, 03:39 PM
Chicken pox? Some vaccinations I can understand requiring, because they're for diseases that are often deadly. But no one dies from chicken pox. Chicken pox? Seriously? That's a required vaccine? I'm still in college, and within my lifetime that one didn't even exist.

I had chicken pox when I was younger. If you have them badly (like I did) it completely sucks balls and keeps you bedridden for weeks. I would gladly have my kids vaccinated for it but it shouldn't be required.

devil21
11-14-2007, 03:52 PM
This has been a problem in PG County as long as I can remember. Year in, year out, always articles about unvaccinated kids in the Post. Nothing new. Fining the parents and threatening jail time takes it a whole different direction though. Not cool and I don't see how it can possibly be legal.

asgardshill
11-14-2007, 04:19 PM
It might sound counterintuitive, but sometimes just accepting jail time is the more honorable thing to do. I would have been proud to have had to send change-of-address cards listing the local Nazi lockup in Germany rather than rat out my Jewish friends in the '30s and '40s, and I would be prouder still by not knuckling under to the local commissars by not forcing my children to take state-mandated injections of drugs or anything else.

Come and get me, coppers. Take your mandatory vaccines and shove 'em straight up your ass.

constituent
11-14-2007, 04:31 PM
it is unfortunate that you can get out of vaccinating your kids, but you have to fill out an application and ask permission.

jpinkerton
11-14-2007, 04:45 PM
You can get out of vacinating your kids by saying it's against your religion. It worked for me when the boys were little

Good for you, vaccinations are filled with toxic levels of mercury!

enjerth
11-14-2007, 05:00 PM
Good for you, vaccinations are filled with toxic levels of mercury!

Mercury is toxic at any level.

Mesogen
11-14-2007, 05:21 PM
I just moved to DC from Tennessee (no state income tax) and I am slowly learning that in this area you need a permit to take a crap and you'll get fined if you use too much toilet paper.

I'm guessing prince george's county is no different.

Mesogen
11-14-2007, 05:25 PM
Mercury is toxic at any level.

It depends on what form it's in. Metallic mercury won't really hurt you unless it's an aerosol. HgS2 is pretty inert. Organic mercury compounds are what will get you. Dimethylmercury will kill you very quickly. Thimerosal is a mix of both. It has a Hg-S bond and a Hg-C bond so...(?) It's toxic, no doubt, but at trace levels, who knows.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Thiomersal-2D-skeletal.png/170px-Thiomersal-2D-skeletal.png

teshuah
11-14-2007, 05:54 PM
in Maryland one can only refuse vaccines on the grounds that it conflicts with their 'bona fide' religious beliefs.

freelance
11-14-2007, 06:47 PM
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm about ready to convert to Christian Science.

angelatc
11-14-2007, 07:48 PM
Chicken pox? Some vaccinations I can understand requiring, because they're for diseases that are often deadly. But no one dies from chicken pox. Chicken pox? Seriously? That's a required vaccine? I'm still in college, and within my lifetime that one didn't even exist.

Uh, actually, a few kids do die from chicken pox every year. But it's rarely life threatening, and I'd bet that a lot of kids die from it because the MD's say, "It's only chicken pox," when the kids show up at their offices.

angelatc
11-14-2007, 07:51 PM
I had chicken pox when I was younger. If you have them badly (like I did) it completely sucks balls and keeps you bedridden for weeks. I would gladly have my kids vaccinated for it but it shouldn't be required.

I had chicken pox when I was 22. Talk about sucking balls....the greasy hair nasty guy who worked at the 7-11 looked at *me* weird.

RPFTW!
11-14-2007, 07:57 PM
Vaccines are a chemical lobotomy. I watched a great movie about how its all a scam and they manipulate the numbers to make it look like vaccines actually help but they don't all they do is cause damage. Call me paranoid if you will but I will never take another shot or get my kids vaccinated. Just look at the Amish and how well they are doing. No autism there!

nexus7
11-14-2007, 08:56 PM
Forced Vaccinations are a form of tyranny and should be dealt with appropriatly.

Man from La Mancha
11-14-2007, 11:26 PM
State by state vaccine exceptions forms download as pdf's
http://www.vaclib.org/exemption.htm



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Electric Church
11-15-2007, 01:37 AM
Vaccination - The Hidden Truth

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8610554679207090010&hl=en-GB

PatriotG
11-15-2007, 10:24 AM
Vaccines are a chemical lobotomy. I watched a great movie about how its all a scam and they manipulate the numbers to make it look like vaccines actually help but they don't all they do is cause damage. Call me paranoid if you will but I will never take another shot or get my kids vaccinated. Just look at the Amish and how well they are doing. No autism there!

In a previous post (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=31415&page=4) I discussed someone very close to me who is not Autistic per say, but may( were not sure yet) have a slight case of Asbergers.

Just to elaborate a little more
We have been searching around for a neuro specialist, and what we are finding is frightening.

Alot of doctors are not taking new patients because of a large influx of cases!

It seems in the last few years the number of cases of Autism, ADHD, Asbergers have grown exponentially
Whats up with that!!

PatriotG

fluoridatedbrainsoup
11-15-2007, 04:41 PM
Must be at least partly because the required number of vaccines to be allowed to attend school has gone steadily up. Also see fluoride, chemtrails, asparthame, food from China, food and milk from Monsanto, and the list goes on and on. It's a testament to human endurance that we've lived this long.

edit: Vaccines - The Hidden Truth was very informative this morning. I actually have been aware of this for a little while - I used this information of the mercury and formaldehyde, autism and ADD and etc, for a creative writing non fiction class, and my prof wrote on my paper "this has been dis proven..." ... He's also coincidentally addicted to the aspartame in diet coke, which he drinks every class, which, coincidentally again, was pushed through the FDA above independent research by none other than Donald Rumsfeld. Walls are closing in over here.

SlapItHigh
11-15-2007, 05:35 PM
The Hidden Truth is ok, I agree with the message but it goes a little over the top appealing to emotion a little too much for my taste. If you want something that appeals mostly to logic and evidence, please check out Dr. Sherri Tenpenny's Vaccines: The Risks, the Benefits, The Choices - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1050730037134666669&q=vaccines&total=2679&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4

I encourage everyone to watch this video - critical thinking on this issue is extremely important.

enjerth
11-15-2007, 06:41 PM
It depends on what form it's in. Metallic mercury won't really hurt you unless it's an aerosol. HgS2 is pretty inert. Organic mercury compounds are what will get you. Dimethylmercury will kill you very quickly. Thimerosal is a mix of both. It has a Hg-S bond and a Hg-C bond so...(?) It's toxic, no doubt, but at trace levels, who knows.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Thiomersal-2D-skeletal.png/170px-Thiomersal-2D-skeletal.png

The fact that your body never disposes of it makes it accumulative and trace amounts add up.

Since heavy metals are not handled by your immune system I would wager that your body's ability to handle it is in direct proportion to your body size, and children weighing a tenth of the weight of an adult should only be expected to tolerate trace amounts a tenth as well as an adult.

Really, children are quite vulnerable to everything.