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Agorism
03-22-2012, 09:01 AM
Surely it’s time for climate-change deniers to have their opinions forcibly tattooed on their bodies.

Not necessarily on the forehead; I’m a reasonable man. Just something along their arm or across their chest so their grandchildren could say, ”Really? You were one of the ones who tried to stop the world doing something? And why exactly was that, granddad?”

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/the-dangers-of-boneheaded-beliefs-20110602-1fijg.html#ixzz1po7tJfwm




Surely it's time for climate-change deniers to have their opinions forcibly tattooed on their bodies.
Not necessarily on the forehead; I'm a reasonable man. Just something along their arm or across their chest so their grandchildren could say, ''Really? You were one of the ones who tried to stop the world doing something? And why exactly was that, granddad?''
On second thoughts, maybe the tattooing along the arm is a bit Nazi-creepy. So how about they are forced to buy property on low-lying islands, the sort of property that will become worthless with a few more centimetres of ocean rise, so they are bankrupted by their own bloody-mindedness? Or what about their signed agreement to stand, in the year 2040, lashed to a pole at a certain point in the shallows off Manly? If they are right and the world is cooling - ''climate change stopped in the year 1998'' is one of their more boneheaded beliefs - their mouths will be above water. If not …

OK, maybe the desire to see the painful, thrashing death of one's opponents is not ideal. But, my God, these people are frustrating. You just know that in 20 years' time, when the costs of our inaction are clear, the climate deniers will become climate-denial-deniers. ''Who me? Oh, no, I always believed in it. Yes, it's hard to understand why people back then were so daft. It's so much more costly to stop it now.''
That's why the tattoo has its appeal.
Not that the other side isn't frustrating. There's a type of green zealot who appears to relish climate change. Every rise in sea levels is noted excitedly. Every cyclone is applauded and claimed as a noisy, deadly witness for their side.
Suddenly, it's as if they have the planet's assistance in their lifelong campaign to bully everyone else into accepting their view of the perfect world. One without any human beings. Except for them. Living in a cave. Wearing an unwashed T-shirt that not only says ''Support wildlife'' but actually does.
Is it possible to get the politics out of the climate-change debate? The first step might be to acknowledge the way ideology informs attitudes to climate change on both sides.
People on the left instinctively believe in communal action, the role of government and the efficacy of international agencies such as the UN. They were always going to believe in climate change; it's the sort of problem that can best be solved using the tools they most enjoy using.
The right tended to be sceptical about climate change from the start and for exactly the same reasons. It's the sort of problem that requires global, communal action, with governments setting rules. It is a problem that requires tools they instinctively dislike using.
These initial responses to global warming, on both sides, were understandable. But there's a point in any debate where what you want to believe comes up against what you know to be true; where ideology yields to reality.
Facts that don't fit one's world view can be difficult to see. Consider the way the left spent decades ignoring the horrors of Soviet communism, horrors that were obvious to anyone who cared to look from at least the early 1930s. The facts didn't fit in with the way they wanted to see the world, so they spent decades in denial, looking the other way.
For most of the left, that blindness ended, dramatically, with the invasion of Hungary in 1956: it became impossible not to acknowledge the brutal realities of the dictatorship of the proletariat.
Now it's the right's turn to face up to a similar uncomfortable, ideology-challenging moment. Hopefully, they'll do it a bit quicker than was managed by the left.
Aside from the frothing fringe of the environmental movement, no one is secretly pleased about global warming. We'd all rather it just went away. Who needs to feel guilty about having a long shower, flying to Paris or eating T-bone steak?
Who needs to be worried about their children and grandchildren and the way we are pushing the burdens of our time on to them?
As Cate Blanchett put it this week: ''I can't look my children in the face if I'm not trying to do something in my small way and to urge other people.''
Each generation of people has a job to do; a burden that falls to their time. Sometimes, it's a war or depression. Sometimes, it's the work of building the first railways and roads. Sometimes, it's a plague that wipes out half the population or a fire that destroys a whole city.
Looked at through this lens, our generation has it easy. Already wealthy and armed with new technology, we need to front up to the challenge of building a low-carbon economy.
The tool we'll use is a carbon tax that seeks to subtly redirect some of our choices. Cut your power bill by more than the compensation offered and you get to keep the change.
Is that really so onerous compared with a depression or war?
Our grandparents didn't fail us, even though the challenges they faced were so much greater. So why are we in the process of failing to live up to their example?
A NOTE FROM THE AUTHOR.
I'm sorry some readers felt my piece on global warming made light of the suffering of Jewish people during the Holocaust. Of course, this was not my intention.
I was trying to express the frustration felt by some towards those who deny climate change. Part of the frustration is that one imagines in 20 years' time, when the effects are more obvious, that this group may forget their role in preventing timely action. Thus I suggested a series of ridiculous ways of making them stand witness to their beliefs, with each of these ways dismissed in turn as absurd. One method was rejected as being too reminiscent of Hitler, another as being absurdly evil.
My intention was to underline to the reader that I wasn't seriously proposing these methods, but was suggesting them as a mark of frustration with the idea that people could prevent action but then pretend they hadn’t.
That said, I accept that some readers found the reference inappropriate and I certainly apologise to them for causing offence.

trey4sports
03-22-2012, 09:02 AM
yeah, the next generation will be able to say "thanks for trying to stop world government grandad, you did all you could."

Original_Intent
03-22-2012, 09:07 AM
Where are the tats on those environmentalists that were warning of the coming ice age back in the 70's? And oh yeah, how many of the current gloabl warming quacks are either those self-same individuals or their progeny, raised in the worship of Gaia?

moostraks
03-22-2012, 09:16 AM
In fairness the guy was trying to be comical and reach for a common ground between those he has framed as environmental zealots and deniers. His follow up piece is rather amusing. "A climate change wave of hate" http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/a-climate-change-wave-of-hate-20110609-1ftix.html

This should be a lesson in how to properly have a difference of opinion.

Simple
03-22-2012, 09:36 AM
Where are the tats on those environmentalists that were warning of the coming ice age back in the 70's?

It is kind of funny because this has come full circle. The biggest names that have been arguing for global warming are now predicting a cooling period coming. It seems the activists have not got the memo: our best science says there has been no warming trend for the last fifteen years.

Danke
03-22-2012, 10:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR73mcZW7B4

fisharmor
03-22-2012, 10:11 AM
It is kind of funny because this has come full circle. The biggest names that have been arguing for global warming are now predicting a cooling period coming. It seems the activists have not got the memo: our best science says there has been no warming trend for the last fifteen years.

No, the cooling period was two winters ago when the entire east coast got 3 feet of snow.
This winter was really warm, so we're probably back on warming now.
Yay Science!!!!!

oyarde
03-22-2012, 10:27 AM
lol

Philhelm
03-22-2012, 11:36 AM
So...would a Gadsden tattoo be acceptable?

oyarde
03-22-2012, 11:49 AM
So...would a Gadsden tattoo be acceptable? Hope so

Anti Federalist
03-22-2012, 12:16 PM
Hmmm...

Tell you what.

Come at me brah.

"Enunciate your salutations to my Lilliputian consort!"

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RJMZ17YKBuY/TYeSXAOHvAI/AAAAAAAAADY/1iZ2conEMKE/s1600/scarface.jpg

Agorism
03-22-2012, 12:18 PM
Been a while since I've seen that movie but what is Lilliputian consort?

Danke
03-22-2012, 12:20 PM
Hmmm...

Tell you what.

Come at me brah.

"Enunciate your salutations to my Lilliputian consort!"

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RJMZ17YKBuY/TYeSXAOHvAI/AAAAAAAAADY/1iZ2conEMKE/s1600/scarface.jpg

More proof positive that donnay's natural remedies don't work for everyone.

Anti Federalist
03-22-2012, 12:48 PM
Been a while since I've seen that movie but what is Lilliputian consort?

OK...ah hem, (in a bad Cuban accent)

"Say jello to my little friend!!!".

Anti Federalist
03-22-2012, 12:51 PM
More proof positive that donnay's natural remedies don't work for everyone.

I oughtta neg rep ya for being a one way prick, but that was too funny.

Cutlerzzz
03-22-2012, 12:55 PM
20 years from now, none of the Global Warming advocates will own up to it. Just watch.

Agorism
03-22-2012, 01:01 PM
I thought it was supposed to say lithuanian or something rather than just little for a moment.

Voluntary Man
03-22-2012, 01:05 PM
Where are the tats on those environmentalists that were warning of the coming ice age back in the 70's? And oh yeah, how many of the current gloabl warming quacks are either those self-same individuals or their progeny, raised in the worship of Gaia?

No kidding.

Pericles
03-22-2012, 01:19 PM
There seem to be plenty of persons A who think it is a good idea for persons B to use force to require persons C to do what persons A wish.

Don't know why persons B keep doing that - must not be a high enough cost imposed upon persons B for doing that.

dannno
03-22-2012, 01:39 PM
yeah, the next generation will be able to say "thanks for trying to stop world government grandad, you did all you could."

Thanks for this line.. I included it in an email to the author (who has apparently received a lot of threats of violence lately..) Hope you don't mind.


I am sorry that you received so many threats of violence as of late.

I would like to take you up on the offer of buying property in low lying areas near the coast, but it is very difficult to afford. Perhaps if you have enough success "educating" people about climate change they will want to move away from the coast and prices will come down so I can afford it. Hey, maybe I should start preaching about global warming, too! Genius!

You see, back in the 1300s, global temperatures were significantly warmer than today. Today we are at about earth's median temperature, the temperatures are (or, were) rising because we are (or, were) coming out of a "mini ice-age" that peaked during the late 1700s/early 1800s.

I guess the question is, why is there no sign that when average temperatures were significantly warmer during the middle ages, the ocean levels were about the same? Why were the temperatures high to begin with when they were not burning fossil fuels? Maybe this is all part of earth's natural temperature fluctuations? Why is all the latest raw data showing that we haven't we seen any global warming in the last 15 years?

I don't have any tattoos, and if I were to get one it would have artistic value.. Maybe a Ron Paul Revolution symbol. Then my grandkids can say to me, "thanks for trying to stop world government grandad, you did all you could."

The truth is that the global warming myth is being perpetuated by the large financial and industrial institutions of the world. They planned to create a multi-billion dollar market for carbon credits that could be traded like stocks. Banks create money for investment purposes, and the more money they create the more interest they collect. Funneling newly created money into these markets and exploiting them while simultaneously having complete control over emission levels of both their companies and those of industry competitors around the world is truly a big banker's wet dream.