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ChristianAnarchist
03-20-2012, 08:23 AM
I've been posting on forums.corvetteforum.com and one of the moderators there likes to lock my threads when they can't answer my logic regarding liberty. The latest thread was locked after only 1 day...

Seems they didn't like a simple yes/no answer I put to them that none would answer...

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/politics-religion-and-controversy/3022544-how-many-of-you-republicans.html

Of course I know that the forum is "private property" and they can do whatever they like there, but I am just pointing out how they "just can't handle the truth" :D

Here's what I wrote to the moderator "cor08vette":

You love to lock my threads when no one can respond to my logic...

So I put your neo-cons on the spot by showing their hyprocracy and your response is to "lock" my threads. Pretty heavy handed of you. What are you afraid of? You afraid that showing that NONE of the neo-cons dare answer a simple question shows how weak you guys are? Your positions are ANTI-constitution, ANTI-liberty, and Amoral. And you hate it when you see how empty your positions are...

Thanks a lot ...

brushfire
03-20-2012, 08:26 AM
People generally dont like to be wrong. That's why some prophets eventually become martyrs.

G-Wohl
03-20-2012, 08:28 AM
You come off as a self-righteous asshole, and are not doing us any favors by acting like a dick on a message board that isn't even somewhat related to modern American politics.

Also, if you're really trying to make the Ron Paul people look remotely sane, I would highly suggest you do your best to hide the fact that you're a "Christian Anarchist." Yikes.

Tyler_Durden
03-20-2012, 08:34 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxv2C5fplX8&sns=em

Ryan_G
03-20-2012, 08:35 AM
What was this supposed to accomplish. Last thing we need is for them to be provoked into trolling over here.

FSP-Rebel
03-20-2012, 08:40 AM
Why is an anarchist buying a government motors car:confused::eek::p

TruckinMike
03-20-2012, 08:46 AM
Sometime MEN need to hear hard truth in a hard way. Staying cordial with wolves will sometimes get you eaten. If he was on a pastel wearing metro-sexual corvette club for she-men forum maybe that tactic wouldn't be so good. But for men that still have testosterone between their legs his approach may not be that bad.

Are corvette guys anything like Trucker guys?

Note to the wise: My sampling group happens to be truckers, most of which do not wear pastels.

TMike

Butchie
03-20-2012, 08:49 AM
I must back up the others, I read about a page and a half, pretty childish stuff both from you and them, I wouldn't even bother on a forum like that.

soulcyon
03-20-2012, 08:49 AM
Theres a whole variety of posters there, but you can't call them all neocons - imo, they probably are not politically active at all. Sure, they do need to wake up from their ignorant slumber, but don't annoy them with such silly things.

TheGrinch
03-20-2012, 08:50 AM
Moderators have the job of making sure that the content out there is what their audience wants to read... So while it's very clear by the avatars that political discussion does happen there, it's also clear by how that discussion was going that it was quickly on it's way to nothing but a pissing match, and it sounds like you've already talked to them enough about Paul to where a definition of republic probably was not going to go anywhere good and worth reading pages about... Also, it's a corvette forum, so don't expect them to just leave open political pissing matches that very few want to read except you and those involved.

ETA: though if he never locks other political pissing matches before they go to far, then maybe you can say you're being singled out, but my guess is that's not what's going on here.

The One
03-20-2012, 08:50 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yB7J7DYi6M&feature=player_detailpage

nobody's_hero
03-20-2012, 08:53 AM
Unless you were there to bring up something about the bailout of General Motors, I probably wouldn't want politics cluttering up my automobile enthusiast forums, either.

ChristianAnarchist
03-20-2012, 09:05 AM
To clarify, I'm posting in the "Politics, Religion & Controversy" sub-forum. If you look there, there's all kinds of political talk (and lots of Paul bashing). I think you will find that NONE of the other threads get locked but mine. Again, I KNOW it's their "property" and they can do what they want, I'm just pointing out their tactics...

I guess I should not have even cared, sorry...

nobody's_hero
03-20-2012, 09:11 AM
To clarify, I'm posting in the "Politics, Religion & Controversy" sub-forum. If you look there, there's all kinds of political talk (and lots of Paul bashing). I think you will find that NONE of the other threads get locked but mine. Again, I KNOW it's their "property" and they can do what they want, I'm just pointing out their tactics...

I guess I should not have even cared, sorry...

Oh, I didn't notice that about the sub-forum. It's okay to care, but don't let it eat away at you. I've had plenty of internet spats myself on dedicated political forums and if I let it get my blood pressure up as much as I'd allow it to, I'd be bleeding out my eye sockets.

If it's any consolation to you, just know that when the economy collapses and rioting starts thanks to to Federal Reserve's actions, you don't have to give these people any of your bread or silver, because they wouldn't listen.

tremendoustie
03-20-2012, 09:19 AM
Depressing thread ...

I don't often run into that many people that ignorant. I hope I'm not isolated, and that that's not the norm.

tremendoustie
03-20-2012, 09:19 AM
I would have responded to the critics head on.

Tyler_Durden
03-20-2012, 09:19 AM
If it's any consolation to you, just know that when the economy collapses and rioting starts thanks to to Federal Reserve's actions, you don't have to give these people any of your bread or silver, because they wouldn't listen.

That's how I cope. I will be on a family-owned self-sufficient compound hours away from populated areas and I will find peace that we will be okay while those who did not listen starve and struggle.

nobody's_hero
03-20-2012, 09:20 AM
That's how I cope. I will be on a family-owned self-sufficient compound hours away from populated areas and I will find peace that we will be okay while those who did not listen starve and struggle.

Amen, lol.

TheGrinch
03-20-2012, 09:23 AM
To clarify, I'm posting in the "Politics, Religion & Controversy" sub-forum. If you look there, there's all kinds of political talk (and lots of Paul bashing). I think you will find that NONE of the other threads get locked but mine. Again, I KNOW it's their "property" and they can do what they want, I'm just pointing out their tactics...

I guess I should not have even cared, sorry...
Regardless, I wouldn't have started your thread with "you republicans".... Sounds very much like a personal attack, and not a thread aimed at political discourse, but rather increasing division.... If I choose to talk about Dr. Paul's issues in non-policitcal forums, I know that I need to come with extremely compelling discussions and not be divisive about it.

I could be wrong that they just don't like Paulbots, but seems like you're trying to cross a line they don't want crossed.

JellyRev
03-20-2012, 09:26 AM
To be honest a corvette forum is just no place where I'd meet politically open minded and liberty seeking people. If people have a corvette and visit a corvette forum I would take a guess that there political smarts are just not there, no offense. I can't imagine talking and reading about a thing(corvette) all day, then again I don't really understand any attachment to physical objects unless the goal is to better understand the objects.

jbuttell
03-20-2012, 09:29 AM
To clarify, I'm posting in the "Politics, Religion & Controversy" sub-forum. If you look there, there's all kinds of political talk (and lots of Paul bashing). I think you will find that NONE of the other threads get locked but mine. Again, I KNOW it's their "property" and they can do what they want, I'm just pointing out their tactics...

I guess I should not have even cared, sorry...


To clarify, I'm posting in the "Politics, Religion & Controversy" sub-forum. If you look there, there's all kinds of political talk (and lots of Paul bashing). I think you will find that NONE of the other threads get locked but mine. Again, I KNOW it's their "property" and they can do what they want, I'm just pointing out their tactics...

I guess I should not have even cared, sorry...

Well, I haven't read your posts yet, perhaps you could use more tact, or not. But I have to say I encourage you to continue. This idea that we don't discuss these issues at work with our co-workers, or on any forum not designated as a "politics zone"... to pigeonhole all discussions of substance to isolated pockets is what's pushing society into more distinct strata, keeping people even more divided, seems like a bad idea to me.

Be selective with your delivery, but if it comes down to pissing people off from time to time or letting those 'like minded' people stay lost in their own rhetoric of failed policy... I encourage you to continue. Don't let people remain comfortable.

Sure, always refine your delivery and use energy where it'll bear most fruit, but don't back down.

brushfire
03-20-2012, 09:30 AM
Depressing thread ...

I don't often run into that many people that ignorant. I hope I'm not isolated, and that that's not the norm.

Interwebz... you'll find a lot with them troll'n netz.

Nothing to be depressed about. Those people saying "Its a shame about his foreign policy, because his domestic policy makes so much sense", used to say "that guy's domestic policy is crazy! End the fed? What? WTF is the fed?

Being married, I know all about ideas... Victory comes when your ideas become their ideas. LOL

amabala
03-20-2012, 09:40 AM
Would you hang out with those people in real life? Why put yourself through grief speaking with people like that.

Start flying with eagles bro. Leave the turkeys, they will end up getting slaughtered in the end.

What do you expect from a forum based on cars? No offense to you but that whole place seems superficial to me.

Victor Grey
03-20-2012, 10:04 AM
Every time I hear about how Ron Paul's foreign policy being crazy, I have to remind myself I am dealing cowards that call themselves grown men. Emotional people akin tosome angsty teenage girl, who cringe the corner crying like a sissybaby in absolute below lady-like terror of third world nations whose greatest threat to us revolves around their ability to destroy A building possibly. Who hid it behind waving the national flag and beating their chests.

I don't like them. I don't even respect them anymore. It grates my nerves just the same as liberals who think they're entitled to take people's stuff to play social engineering experiments.

Sorry but the deal is, after I put down the emotion, my butthole drawls ups and I am not the one squirting filth all over myself in terror, like some incontinent slave, due to a bunch of losers 6000 miles away, whose greatest strike upon us consisted of hijacking four planes and leveling about that many structures once. Whose greatest threat to my life, was about 1 in 104002, on one single day, a decade ago.

No, that not enough, for me to give up a single freedom, and especially not enough to provoke me into spend my monies invading another unrelated country Iraq over it, and go around the world accidentally killing people that aren't even the enemy who hate us.
It is for those "patriots" however.

They aren't patriots, they're cowards that like to wallow in nationalism. To them power alone is what makes america "exceptional".

Some day when the money dries up, I wonder if they're all just going to seizure on the ground in subhumanlike sissycowardice, when their spending for all these ventures means we couldn't do it if we had to one day.

Or maybe then they'll get some damn sense and realize what they're pissing all over themselves over are bunch of third world nations with a few fanatics thrown in, who that can't do anything very much more than scare us a little using foul desperation tactics because it's all they've got.

No Ron Paul's policy isn't crazy, it's just sustainable, moral, sane, best for our safety in the long run and it offers us the ability to maintain our current rank in the world.
Simply, theirs soon does not. I'm not the crazy one, and sure aren't the coward.

Sam I am
03-20-2012, 10:06 AM
No Offense, But the specific thread you linked lacked any substance from the beginning, and you never really did anything to introduce substance into it.

Mattsa
03-20-2012, 11:24 AM
I've been posting on forums.corvetteforum.com and one of the moderators there likes to lock my threads when they can't answer my logic regarding liberty. The latest thread was locked after only 1 day...

Seems they didn't like a simple yes/no answer I put to them that none would answer...

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/politics-religion-and-controversy/3022544-how-many-of-you-republicans.html

Of course I know that the forum is "private property" and they can do whatever they like there, but I am just pointing out how they "just can't handle the truth" :D

Here's what I wrote to the moderator "cor08vette":

You love to lock my threads when no one can respond to my logic...

So I put your neo-cons on the spot by showing their hyprocracy and your response is to "lock" my threads. Pretty heavy handed of you. What are you afraid of? You afraid that showing that NONE of the neo-cons dare answer a simple question shows how weak you guys are? Your positions are ANTI-constitution, ANTI-liberty, and Amoral. And you hate it when you see how empty your positions are...

Thanks a lot ...

Sorry to rain on your parade but that is a CAR forum.

Generally, moderators of forums which deal in non-political topics don't like their forums being hijacked by political activists, which frankly I believe is quite understandable and correct.

It isn't serving anyone's interests to promote political ideas on a forum about Chevrolet Corvettes.

Philosophy_of_Politics
03-20-2012, 12:05 PM
People are being way to harsh on the OP here. It's not about maturity/immaturity, it's about a personal history that has obviously existed for quite a while between himself, and the other posters. Some "I told you so" is always nice for a change. It's great to make a point, and an example of competitive between oppositions.

TruckinMike
03-20-2012, 12:31 PM
OP --- I need you to hang out with me at the truck stops:)

Keep in mind that most of those "conservatives" have been conditioned by the "the faux conservative Radio Mafia" (http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/1160/radiomafia2.jpg). It makes it easier to deal with them once you accept that they have been brainwashed. Its kind of like convincing an over-confident spoiled child that it wouldn't be prudent to run along side an icy edge of the Grand Canyon. At some point you'll have to get serious with them before they fall.

TMike

VBRonPaulFan
03-20-2012, 12:57 PM
you did a pretty piss poor job of defending Paul and his positions. you let a bunch of fellas throw out ridiculous assertions about Paul without ever answering them, and just kept posting over and over again 'answer my question', which is the internet equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going NYEH NYEH NYEH.

when someone says something like 'paul is a racist', or 'his foreign policy is insane', you need to answer those logically and help people understand why they're incorrect. not look like a childish little kid.

The Free Hornet
03-20-2012, 01:15 PM
To clarify, I'm posting in the "Politics, Religion & Controversy" sub-forum. If you look there, there's all kinds of political talk (and lots of Paul bashing). I think you will find that NONE of the other threads get locked but mine. Again, I KNOW it's their "property" and they can do what they want, I'm just pointing out their tactics...

I guess I should not have even cared, sorry...

You should care so it is good to make the effort. Now, I am no good at arguing with people, but regarding the fundamental issue, "what is a republic":


How many of you "Republicans"
Know what a "Republic" is??

Ron Paul does...

http://communities.washingtontimes.c...republicanism/

I would bring up the republic issue against those who think we should be spending trillions of dollars in the middle east to spread democracy. The founders opposed democracies and we have seen that Christians in the middle east were far better off under brutal dictators than non-Christian mob rule. People need to know why democracy is bad (as well as any other "_ocracy").

Then you ask a question for which you are not going to get meaninful answers:


Yes, I know about the undeclared "Barbary Wars". Just because the constitution has been ignored when convenient, doesn't mean that it a good idea to do so...

Lets just put it to a simple "yes" or "no" answer...

We should violate the constitution: ( ) yes ( ) no

Please, each of you respond (I say "no")

The Supreme Court doesn't view itself as violating the constitution, they just interpret it however they wish. Also, you should challenge people like this Grumpy:


what Constitution? Even Mike Church agrees the Constitution is dead and he is Rep. Paul's biggest radio supporter.

Church is not seeing this as a good thing rather he is describing our current situation. Grumpy was a fish in a barrel and you let him get away.

K466
03-20-2012, 01:23 PM
ChristianAnarchist,

Thanks for your efforts, at least- I'm sure you have made more substantial cases for Ron Paul there when he had a better chance of winning; reading that thread made me furious, almost want to join the forum and go whip their @$$*$. One fool said all he cares about he getting rid of Obama but ironically he plans to support a Republican Obama, lol, the fools that run this country, they deserve what is coming. Problem is, we suffer too.

The way you are treated there, I would feel like leaving.

green73
03-20-2012, 01:36 PM
What a bunch of douchebags. You must REALLY love corvettes to hang out at that shithole.

Gravik
03-20-2012, 01:37 PM
Looks like they got the "Chevy guy mentality" going.

I post on a Mustang forum and there's a bunch of pro Paul people that post there.

dannno
03-20-2012, 01:47 PM
Wow, those guys are assholes, not surprising tho I suppose being a corvette forum.

I think the OP did pretty good.

Mises_to_Paul
03-20-2012, 02:24 PM
Nice passion, but you might have tried a more strategic approach. It seems the people there have a serious amount of deprogramming to do before taking on serious topics. I realize that can be easier said than done nowadays.

Imagine the frustration and rage you feel when a socialist blames the housing crisis on "capitalism", or a Neocon blames 9/11 on the terrorists being jealous of our success and freedom (i.e-"THIS IS BASIC MATERIAL THAT CAN ONLY BE MISSED BY SOMEONE COMPLETELY UNINFORMED AHAHAHAHAH!!!).

That type of frustration and rage is what they felt when you started up in that thread. You have to understand how the message will always get funneled through the perceptions and biases the people in question hold. Break down the bad assumptions and the biases before you get to the critical and divisive issues.

But like I said, it's easy to criticize from a distance, and I think we are all frustrated. I know lots of times I want to do the internet version of screaming :)

alucard13mmfmj
03-20-2012, 03:06 PM
I got banned from a few forums for talking about RP and the issues too =s...

Voluntary Man
03-20-2012, 03:28 PM
You come off as a self-righteous asshole, and are not doing us any favors by acting like a dick on a message board that isn't even somewhat related to modern American politics.

Also, if you're really trying to make the Ron Paul people look remotely sane, I would highly suggest you do your best to hide the fact that you're a "Christian Anarchist." Yikes.

Which part of that is insane?

dannno
03-20-2012, 03:54 PM
It isn't serving anyone's interests to promote political ideas on a forum about Chevrolet Corvettes.

Bullshit... nearly every hobby is affected by politics. What about emissions standards (Fed vs. State), energy/gas prices (how the free market would affect their sport of choice and their car, how our foreign policy will affect it, etc..)

All this is related to political philosophy.

Not to mention, when you have a big enough community/forum, most tend to veer completely off subject anyway, for example this forum we have an "Off Topic" section where you can literally post about anything. Most forums have a lot of off topic posts, which makes sense. "What does (community X) think about (unrelated topic Z)?" You can fit a lot of interesting communities and topic combinations into that question.

It looks like the OP was a little on the aggressive side, but he made a lot of people there think about the Constitution and the rule of law that our country is supposed to be run on.

What he needs to do is watch the flow of the forum and make his posts in the proper sections so as not to annoy the owners of the site too much while simultaneously realizing that a minority of people are ALWAYS going to be pissed off every time you create a Ron Paul thread.

Justinfrom1776
03-20-2012, 04:08 PM
Ha, when I run into ignorant people who like to Paul bash, I just lie to them.. Ultimately we are trying to win an election here. So if some asshole doesn't understand Paul's position on something... Just lie to him, get that dumbass to the poles. That's all that matters. I'm don't have the time to go around and philosophically repair every uninformed jack ass out there.

ChristianAnarchist
03-21-2012, 06:37 PM
ChristianAnarchist,

Thanks for your efforts, at least- I'm sure you have made more substantial cases for Ron Paul there when he had a better chance of winning; reading that thread made me furious, almost want to join the forum and go whip their @$$*$. One fool said all he cares about he getting rid of Obama but ironically he plans to support a Republican Obama, lol, the fools that run this country, they deserve what is coming. Problem is, we suffer too.

The way you are treated there, I would feel like leaving.

I'm very thick skinned (and stubborn) so I'm used to the BS. You should have seen the stuff I had to put up with on the freetalklive forum back in the day when people used to frequent it. I had a thread about "Christian Anarchy" that went to something like 10k posts. Some people started posting "Jesus porn" in my thread to discourage me, but I just looked at that tactic as throwing down the gauntlet. I told them that porn is not so offensive and I would show them offensive. I posted the most horrific images from rotten.com in the threads of those offenders. They finally cried "uncle" and no one ever posted offensive material in my thread after that... :toady:

I am a strong believer in fighting fire with fire.

PaulConventionWV
03-21-2012, 07:30 PM
I've been posting on forums.corvetteforum.com and one of the moderators there likes to lock my threads when they can't answer my logic regarding liberty. The latest thread was locked after only 1 day...

Seems they didn't like a simple yes/no answer I put to them that none would answer...

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/politics-religion-and-controversy/3022544-how-many-of-you-republicans.html

Of course I know that the forum is "private property" and they can do whatever they like there, but I am just pointing out how they "just can't handle the truth" :D

Here's what I wrote to the moderator "cor08vette":

You love to lock my threads when no one can respond to my logic...

So I put your neo-cons on the spot by showing their hyprocracy and your response is to "lock" my threads. Pretty heavy handed of you. What are you afraid of? You afraid that showing that NONE of the neo-cons dare answer a simple question shows how weak you guys are? Your positions are ANTI-constitution, ANTI-liberty, and Amoral. And you hate it when you see how empty your positions are...

Thanks a lot ...

Not sure why you had to add the highlighted part. Most people know around here, and then again, why would you care anyway if someone here thought that, somehow, you were violating their property rights or thought they didn't have a right to it? It seems you are a little insecure about your beliefs to me.

Also not sure why you felt the need to post that whole story about nothing. Very strange.

PaulConventionWV
03-21-2012, 07:39 PM
Sometime MEN need to hear hard truth in a hard way. Staying cordial with wolves will sometimes get you eaten. If he was on a pastel wearing metro-sexual corvette club for she-men forum maybe that tactic wouldn't be so good. But for men that still have testosterone between their legs his approach may not be that bad.

Are corvette guys anything like Trucker guys?

Note to the wise: My sampling group happens to be truckers TMike

There's your problem. Please don't act like you have anything to offer here. Your opinion is based on nothing and gives us no real insight. Being an asshole and justifying it by saying you are a "non-aggressionist" is just pure bullshit. What's more, it is self-evidently bullshit.

PaulConventionWV
03-21-2012, 08:00 PM
Ha, when I run into ignorant people who like to Paul bash, I just lie to them.. Ultimately we are trying to win an election here. So if some asshole doesn't understand Paul's position on something... Just lie to him, get that dumbass to the poles. That's all that matters. I'm don't have the time to go around and philosophically repair every uninformed jack ass out there.

Wow. I can't believe I am reading this. So much for a principled understanding of Paul's philosophy. The goal isn't JUST to get people to the polls. If we get everyone to vote for Paul on false pretenses and then they still don't understand what liberty is all about, we really haven't accomplished much. Lying never won an election anyway. In order to effect real, lasting change that lasts beyond Paul's four years in office (presumably, when they find out in his years that he is doing stuff they don't agree with because you lied about him) you have to get people to understand liberty. Only this understanding can promote it because it is THE PEOPLE that are supposed to effect that change throughout the country in all levels of government, not just the presidency. Now please, stop being an idiot and stop lying to people. That is just the opposite of liberty.

PaulConventionWV
03-21-2012, 08:03 PM
I'm very thick skinned (and stubborn) so I'm used to the BS. You should have seen the stuff I had to put up with on the freetalklive forum back in the day when people used to frequent it. I had a thread about "Christian Anarchy" that went to something like 10k posts. Some people started posting "Jesus porn" in my thread to discourage me, but I just looked at that tactic as throwing down the gauntlet. I told them that porn is not so offensive and I would show them offensive. I posted the most horrific images from rotten.com in the threads of those offenders. They finally cried "uncle" and no one ever posted offensive material in my thread after that... :toady:

I am a strong believer in fighting fire with fire.

Oh, right. That's great for the ultimate non-aggressionist, the anarchist. Why is it always those who believe the most strongly in non-aggression who are the most aggressive assholes when it comes to arguments? Your philosophy of "fight fire with fire" is one of escalating aggression, not using logical responses to persuade people. It's pure hypocrisy.

Justinfrom1776
03-21-2012, 10:25 PM
Wow. I can't believe I am reading this. So much for a principled understanding of Paul's philosophy. The goal isn't JUST to get people to the polls. If we get everyone to vote for Paul on false pretenses and then they still don't understand what liberty is all about, we really haven't accomplished much. Lying never won an election anyway. In order to effect real, lasting change that lasts beyond Paul's four years in office (presumably, when they find out in his years that he is doing stuff they don't agree with because you lied about him) you have to get people to understand liberty. Only this understanding can promote it because it is THE PEOPLE that are supposed to effect that change throughout the country in all levels of government, not just the presidency. Now please, stop being an idiot and stop lying to people. That is just the opposite of liberty.

The ends justify the means.. You can only do so much with some people. Now stop being such a pussy.

Justinfrom1776
03-21-2012, 10:30 PM
Wow. I can't believe I am reading this. So much for a principled understanding of Paul's philosophy. The goal isn't JUST to get people to the polls. If we get everyone to vote for Paul on false pretenses and then they still don't understand what liberty is all about, we really haven't accomplished much. Lying never won an election anyway. In order to effect real, lasting change that lasts beyond Paul's four years in office (presumably, when they find out in his years that he is doing stuff they don't agree with because you lied about him) you have to get people to understand liberty. Only this understanding can promote it because it is THE PEOPLE that are supposed to effect that change throughout the country in all levels of government, not just the presidency. Now please, stop being an idiot and stop lying to people. That is just the opposite of liberty.

You haven't been paying attention.

unknown
03-21-2012, 11:52 PM
F*cking dickheads. Did you get banned or suspended?

Did you read that sh*t?

Bunch of neocon Israeli firsters...

Feel kinda ashamed for liking the Z after reading all that...

HaryTemp
03-22-2012, 01:11 AM
I just don't uderstand why you are trolling mesage boards that have nothing to do with politics. Let's just put it this way...it is highly unlikely that you have changed even ONE person's mind in any of these boards that you troll. While it is far more likely that you have pissed people off to the point where they become anti-Paul

In other words, it is just a terrible idea. You are not only wasting your time, but you are wasting your time and hurting Ron Paul.

Think about what would happen here if someone came out of nowhere and posted nothing but comments about Corvettes. They would likely be banned if they didn't stop.

Or if someone chose to use this board to support their favorite Dancing with the Stars "celebrity." If they did it enough, it might get some people here to vote for OTHER DWTS celebrities just to make the poster's favorite lose.

unknown
03-22-2012, 01:17 AM
I just don't uderstand why you are trolling mesage boards that have nothing to do with politics. Let's just put it this way...it is highly unlikely that you have changed even ONE person's mind in any of these boards that you troll. While it is far more likely that you have pissed people off to the point where they become anti-Paul

In other words, it is just a terrible idea. You are not only wasting your time, but you are wasting your time and hurting Ron Paul.

Its actually not "trolling" at all.

Many if not all car forums have "politics/controversy/off-topic" sections. This specific one is called politics.

If you look at some of the threads, many threads are about politics and is a great reflection of the typical GOP establishment mind set.

I think its very important that Ron Paul supporters discuss the true conservative position with the typical GOP voter.

HaryTemp
03-22-2012, 01:25 AM
Fair enough if there is a politics section. However, doing it in a confrontational way makes my statement still stand. It will not convert even one single person and may cause some to automatically turn against RP.

The exchange on the corvette forum HURT Ron Paul, and wasted time that could have been spent helping him. So it is a double loss.

QuickZ06
03-22-2012, 01:37 AM
ChristianAnarchist I am glad to see you still fighting the fight over there!

FYI, most of the guys on CF in the political section are batshiz crazy and have no sense of logic, ask me how I know :rolleyes:

Wooden Indian
03-22-2012, 03:03 AM
I go through a similar issue with the Tampa Bay Bucs MB. We have a politics section overrun with neocons... but us few RP peepes have done a hell of a job at converting quite a few. Since I've known most of these people for over a decade and have some clout, it helps with the regulars... not so much with the noobs. Par for the course.

I even use some talking points and info presented on this forum, and carry it over there on occasion.

ChristianAnarchist
03-22-2012, 07:26 AM
ChristianAnarchist I am glad to see you still fighting the fight over there!

FYI, most of the guys on CF in the political section are batshiz crazy and have no sense of logic, ask me how I know :rolleyes:

Yes, I actually prefer to post in forums where I can try to change a few minds and hearts. We win this battle one heart at a time...

whippoorwill
03-22-2012, 07:57 AM
I read every post in the link. That Mod did you a favor. He listed you question and all your calls to answer it. He showed them all that they were avoiding the answer.

Tudo
03-22-2012, 08:24 AM
I'm looking to buy a 67 corvette and visited that forum. You make all supporters look bad in that forum. I don't appreciate it.

unknown
03-22-2012, 01:38 PM
Fair enough if there is a politics section. However, doing it in a confrontational way makes my statement still stand. It will not convert even one single person and may cause some to automatically turn against RP.

The exchange on the corvette forum HURT Ron Paul, and wasted time that could have been spent helping him. So it is a double loss.

Well, there are many who hate RP to begin with so youre not really seeing unbiased opinions. There is a lot of hate towards Ron Paul from that forum. They are diehard israeli firsters, neocons and GOP establishment gatekeepers which is why you'll see the condescending comments. But I will tell you this, there are a few people who have been converted not through arguing (those guys are looking for an argument to begin with) but by simply posting the facts and RP's videos.

unknown
03-22-2012, 01:40 PM
ChristianAnarchist I am glad to see you still fighting the fight over there!

FYI, most of the guys on CF in the political section are batshiz crazy and have no sense of logic, ask me how I know :rolleyes:

Well they are biased. They are israeli firsters, neocons and GOP gatekeepers.

Funniest thing is, they claim to be small government conservatives and often love Ron Paul's positions so long as someone is Ron Pauling and its not coming from Ron Paul himself.

unknown
03-22-2012, 01:44 PM
I'm looking to buy a 67 corvette and visited that forum. You make all supporters look bad in that forum. I don't appreciate it.

Please dont take this attitude.

At the end of the day, that site is looking to generate money. Once you remind them of this fact, the mods back down because they dont want to be responsible for turning away business by their anti-Ron Paul bias. They are charged with being impartial because again, it is a business. If you spend $ on Corvettes and accessories, let it be known that you wont be silenced simply because you support Ron Paul nor should you be.

That we should get as much respect as anyone other Corvette enthusiast.

Make a point of supporting Ron Paul.

Johnny Appleseed
03-22-2012, 01:47 PM
hard to put a fishing pole in a corvette

unknown
03-22-2012, 01:49 PM
hard to put a fishing pole in a corvette

http://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Deluxe-FishPen-Retractable-Fishing/dp/B000RQ3AZO

:D

Tudo
03-22-2012, 02:24 PM
Please dont take this attitude.

At the end of the day, that site is looking to generate money. Once you remind them of this fact, the mods back down because they dont want to be responsible for turning away business by their anti-Ron Paul bias. They are charged with being impartial because again, it is a business. If you spend $ on Corvettes and accessories, let it be known that you wont be silenced simply because you support Ron Paul nor should you be.

That we should get as much respect as anyone other Corvette enthusiast.

Make a point of supporting Ron Paul.

It's not an "attitude" it's how I feel. Far as what should and shouldn't happen, what should happen isn't going to happen and that's the way it goes. I expressed my opinion and I realize that your opinion may be "better than my opinion but it's my opinion and lastly I don't go to corvette forums to talk about Ron Paul.

PaulConventionWV
03-22-2012, 06:24 PM
You haven't been paying attention.

I should clarify. Contradictions have never won an election. You can't just go around telling people whatever they want to hear and expect it to win you an election. If anything, it's only going to turn them off more when they finally found out you were saying something that the man himself doesn't say.

Also, I hate to be the one to tell you, but you are not going to achieve any desirable ends with that strategy. The movement will effectively be dead because of the spread of deception and disinfo, and you would have killed it. Congratulations dude. You can't expect to just tell people what they want to hear and expect them to unify over your cause. It's not going to effect any lasting change. The change it does make will be superficial and temporary.

Victor Grey
03-23-2012, 01:48 AM
I should clarify. Contradictions have never won an election. You can't just go around telling people whatever they want to hear and expect it to win you an election. If anything, it's only going to turn them off more when they finally found out you were saying something that the man himself doesn't say.

Also, I hate to be the one to tell you, but you are not going to achieve any desirable ends with that strategy. The movement will effectively be dead because of the spread of deception and disinfo, and you would have killed it. Congratulations dude. You can't expect to just tell people what they want to hear and expect them to unify over your cause. It's not going to effect any lasting change. The change it does make will be superficial and temporary.

You haven't been paying attention.

*not an endorsement for lying about your favored candidate's positions.

PaulConventionWV
03-24-2012, 07:35 AM
You haven't been paying attention.

*not an endorsement for lying about your favored candidate's positions.

Again, I'm talking about THE GRASSROOTS TELLING PEOPLE THINGS THAT THE CANDIDATE HIMSELF IS NOT SAYING!

Jeez, how bad does your reading comprehension have to be?

TruthisTreason
03-24-2012, 07:43 AM
I've been a member of the corvette forum for years. Although I've never entered political discussions, only mechanical ones on the site.

Victor Grey
03-24-2012, 07:50 AM
Again, I'm talking about THE GRASSROOTS TELLING PEOPLE THINGS THAT THE CANDIDATE HIMSELF IS NOT SAYING!

Jeez, how bad does your reading comprehension have to be?

Geez I'm sorry, didn't mean to make you butthurt, PaulConventionWV.

Problem?

PaulConventionWV
03-24-2012, 08:04 AM
Geez I'm sorry, didn't mean to make you butthurt, PaulConventionWV.

Problem?

It's hard to tell if you people are serious or just joking, but you act like you have no reading comprehension, and I don't like having my intelligence insulted by insinuating I don't know what I'm talking about. What I said should be pretty self-evidently true.

driller80545
03-24-2012, 08:10 AM
I should clarify. Contradictions have never won an election. You can't just go around telling people whatever they want to hear and expect it to win you an election. If anything, it's only going to turn them off more when they finally found out you were saying something that the man himself doesn't say.

Also, I hate to be the one to tell you, but you are not going to achieve any desirable ends with that strategy. The movement will effectively be dead because of the spread of deception and disinfo, and you would have killed it. Congratulations dude. You can't expect to just tell people what they want to hear and expect them to unify over your cause. It's not going to effect any lasting change. The change it does make will be superficial and temporary.

Isn't this what successful politicians do best?

TIMB0B
03-24-2012, 08:56 AM
I've been posting on forums.corvetteforum.com and one of the moderators there likes to lock my threads when they can't answer my logic regarding liberty. The latest thread was locked after only 1 day...

Seems they didn't like a simple yes/no answer I put to them that none would answer...

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/politics-religion-and-controversy/3022544-how-many-of-you-republicans.html


Man, you had a chance to hit them with a truth bomb when they brought up Tripoli, but you went with...
Yes, I know about the undeclared "Barbary Wars". Just because the constitution has been ignored when convenient, doesn't mean that it a good idea to do so......instead of mentioning a constitutional Letter of Marque and Reprisal was used. Just as Ron Paul requested we use to get Bin Laden & Co.


Article 1 of the United States Constitution lists issuing letters of marque and reprisal in Section 8 as one of the enumerated powers of Congress, alongside the power to tax and to "declare War."

The issue of marque and reprisal was raised before Congress after the September 11 attacks[30] and again on July 21, 2007, by Congressman Ron Paul. The attacks were defined as acts of "air piracy" and the Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001 was introduced, which would have granted the president the authority to use letters of marque and reprisal against the specific terrorists, instead of warring against a foreign state. The terrorists were compared to pirates in that they are difficult to fight by traditional military means.[31] Congressman Paul on April 15, 2009, also advocated the use of letters of marque to address the issue of Somali pirates operating in the Gulf of Aden. However, the bills Congressman Paul introduced were not enacted into law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_of_marque

This is why we "lose" foreign policy debates. People aren't doing their research. Even RP supporters. I would suggest in the future, consult this board before making a blanket "unconstitutional" rebuttal.