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PauliticsPolitics
03-20-2012, 02:27 AM
=== Illinois facts ===
This is an open primary.
One must already be registered to vote, but Democrats, Libertarians, and Green Party people can all also vote in the GOP primary.
We will send 69 delegates to the national convention.
54 of those delegates are directly elected today (March 20th)
12 others are chosen at the state convention in June, and there are 3 reserved for GOP insiders.
For now we need to look at the 54 delegates at stake in this primary.
Illinois has 18 congressional districts (some of these districts are freshly drawn after the 2010 census).
If you are bored, you can look at the new CD's here (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=http:%2F%2Filhousedems.com%2Fredistricting% 2F2011-maps%2FSenate_Bill_1178_House_Amendment_2%2Fab9Pla n0549.kmz&hl=en&ll=40.111689,-89.494629&spn=13.099052,19.753418&sll=39.739318,-89.504139&sspn=9.440222,19.753418&t=m&z=6&source=gplus-ogsb).
Each district will elect and send 2-4 national delegates based on GOP population.
These delegates are directly voted for, but there is also a meaningless beauty contest (which the news will report on).
So on the IL ballot, there will first be the beauty contest listing all the candidates.
Then there will be a section to vote for the delegates relevant to the voters Congressional District.
Each delegate-candidate is clearly labeled with their associated presidential candidate.
In most districts, all four candidates have a full delegate-slate, but there are four districts where Santorum did not make it (discussed later).

(Example: District 11 has 3 delegates at stake. There are 12 delegate-candidates listed on the ballot (3 for Paul, 3 for Romney, 3 for Santorum, 3 for Gingrich). Each delegate-candidate is clearly labeled with their associated presidential candidate. The voter in this case is allowed to vote for 3 delegate-candidates. People will vote for (almost always) the 3 delegate candidates which match their presidential candidate. In the end, the 3 delegate-candidates with the most votes become national delegates. The only way a congressional district would be split between two candidates is if A LOT of people split their 3 delegate votes, like they pick 2 Paul delegates and 1 Romney delegate (kind illogical). So effectively, each district is winner take all. This still means that the state will likely be split. Some districts will go for Romney, some for Santorum, and HOPEFULLY a few for Paul.)

So now let's get realistic. Illinois is not (in its totality) Ron Paul country. The rural areas will go heavily Santorum. Chicago is something like 80% Democrats, and the few republicans tend to be safe establishment types for Romney. The affluent suburbs will likely go strongly for Romney.

So where can we maybe get Paul a few delegates?
I do not want to kid anyone, or raise false expectations, but there are a few congressional districts which we have a chance at. The strategy is taking advantage of anomalies.

The new 13th congressional district [3 delegates] (Our best hope?)
This CD gives us a unique opportunity. This has 3 anomalies going for us.
1. Santorum failed to file delegates for this district. While he will appear on the ballot for the beauty contest, there are only delegates for Paul, Romney, and Gingrich. There has been some work to convince the Santorum voters to chose the Paul delegates in order to "Stop Romney" since leaving the section blank will merely ensure a Romney delegate-win (see ad campaign later in post.)
2. This CD has two humongous colleges: Illinois State University (ISU, Bloomington/Normal) and more importantly University of Illinois (UIUC, Champaign/Urbana). UIUC is where Ron drew 5000 people.
3. Congressman Tim Johnson endorsed Ron Paul. Though the districts have been newly redrawn, the 13th district is more-or-less his territory. He is also running in this primary on the same 13th Congressional ballot.

Chicago Congresional Districts: 4th, 5th, & 7th [2, 3, 2 delegates respectively]
These three congressional districts are all clustered together and make up the broader part of Chicago.
1. Again, Santorum does not have delegates on these three district ballots, so the goal has been to convince Santorum voters to pick our delegates.
2. There are very few Republicans in these districts. Turnout is low. With some incredible luck, our passionate Ron Paul voters will come out with Democrats and Independents and hence (along with the Santorum problem) maybe capture one of these.

===ADS===
As I said before, there has been an effort to spread the idea that Santorum voters should chose the Paul delegates in order to prevent Romney from sweeping all the delegates. This effort will also be continued throughout the day outside of polling locations. (If you are in Illinois, this is a valid use of your time today.) In the four target districts (the ones without Santorum delegates on the ballot), it is possible that Santorum or Romney would win the media beauty contest, but Paul could win the delegates if the combined Paul and strategy-minded Santorum voters outnumber the rest. This is not an impossible scenario if Santorum voters are aware-enough of the strategy. Of course, as I said earlier, the target districts also have some anomalies which could give us an advantage.

Among other approaches, I have been running Facebook ads aimed at Santorum voters in the 4 target districts, pushing the idea that they must vote for the Paul delegates to stop Romney since there are no Santorum delegates in their districts. I have updated the ad campaign for the final day, and I would like to push it harder. If contributing to this interests you, please see the chipin at the end of this post.
This is the ad currently running:
http://i39.tinypic.com/33pg22u.jpg
(http://www.facebook.com/IllinoisGrassrootsToStopRomney)This is the new landing page: http://www.facebook.com/IllinoisGrassrootsToStopRomney
(http://www.facebook.com/IllinoisGrassrootsToStopRomney)

I also have a basic GOTV Ron Paul ad running in two configurations. One version is for the target districts, and the ad-bid is more aggressive (more expensive) - but I also have the same ad going state-wide at a more conservative ad-bid. This ad is targeted at Ron Paul and ROn Paul friendly keywords. This is really just meant to remind all the Paul-friendly people that today is the day!
This is the basic GOTV ad:
http://i39.tinypic.com/4hy34h.jpg
(http://www.evoter.com/il/)This ad simply points to the Illinois site to look up the voter's polling place: http://www.evoter.com/il/
(http://www.evoter.com/il/)
(http://www.evoter.com/il/)If you think this is a valid effort, please consider throwing something at my chipin. I have been self-funding this effort for a few weeks, and it is starting to get pretty expensive for me. I would like to take it up a notch for the last day since most people don't pay attention to anything until voting day. If you know how Facebook ads work, you bid per ad event, so the more extra money I have, the more people will be barraged with the ads on voting day (TOADY!).
Here's my chipin link: http://pauliticspolitics.chipin.com/ron-paul-illinois-facebook-ads (http://pauliticspolitics.chipin.com/ron-paul-illinois-facebook-ads)

(PS - You can also help by keeping this bumped. I will be out doing the Paul work a lot of the day, but I will check in as often as possible.)

(PSS - Illinois is going to be one of the hardest yet. Many people think of the election as only Romney vs Santorum nowadays. I know the odds are against us, even for a small district win. But I cannot let my state go with out a fight.)

"Let it not be said that we did nothing."

PolicyReader
03-20-2012, 02:41 AM
bump (if you're in this thread you've likely read the OP, if not really go give it a look :D )

PauliticsPolitics
03-20-2012, 03:43 AM
I just realized the my OP is pretty long. The thoroughness was necessary though.

To avoid any "TLDR" comments, here's the super short version:
There are 4 districts in IL which we have a chance at.
This is due to a combination of two or more of the following anomalies in each district: Santorum ballot problems, Tim Johnson's endorsement, Big colleges where Ron Paul spoke, and Low GOP population.
There is hence a focus on these 4 districts.
There is a Facebook ad campaign you can chipin to if you want.

For all the details, please read the OP.

PolicyReader
03-20-2012, 03:52 AM
I just realized the my OP is pretty long. The thoroughness was necessary though.

To avoid any "TLDR" comments, here's the super short version:
There are 4 districts in IL which we have a chance at.
This is due to a combination of two or more of the following anomalies in each district: Santorum ballot problems, Tim Johnson's endorsement, Big colleges where Ron Paul spoke, and Low GOP population.
There is hence a focus on these 4 districts.
There is a Facebook ad campaign you can chipin to if you want.

For all the details, please read the OP.
Good sum up :) I will also take this chance to reiterate if you haven't read the OP do it

kathy88
03-20-2012, 04:42 AM
Superior OP is superior.

PauliticsPolitics
03-20-2012, 05:07 AM
For you random people in Illinois (or nearby states):
I highly suggest the following:

Go anywhere in the target districts. Preferably try to go to the new 13th district in Central Illinois; but if you are from the north, you can also go to the 4th, 5th, or 7th districts in Chicago. You can see the new district boundaries on THIS MAP (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=http:%2F%2Filhousedems.com%2Fredistricting% 2F2011-maps%2FSenate_Bill_1178_House_Amendment_2%2Fab9Pla n0549.kmz&hl=en&ll=40.111689,-89.494629&spn=13.099052,19.753418&sll=39.739318,-89.504139&sspn=9.440222,19.753418&t=m&z=6&source=gplus-ogsb).

Once you pick a district, go to polling places. (Technically far enough outside polling places...) If you know the area, try to identify polling places which might be Santorum dominant. You can find specific polling places by entering addresses HERE (http://www.evoter.com/il/).
Double check to make sure you are going to one of the target districts.

When around the polling place, try to identify Santorum supporters. It might be obvious, or you could pose as a Santorum supporter, or you could just ask people.

Regardless, let people know that Santorum does not have delegates on the ballot in the district! Tell them not to leave that section blank but to vote for the Ron Paul delegates so they can block Romney. It's the only way to Stop Romney.

Here is a flyer I made for me and my team. http://pp.comuv.com/Santorum-Paul_IL.pdf
(http://pp.comuv.com/Santorum-Paul_IL.pdf)Feel free to hand it out or just use it as a guide for talking to people.

PauliticsPolitics
03-20-2012, 05:13 AM
Also, if you are near Champaign/Urbana, Bloomington/Normal or any other large University within the target districts, do not be afraid to literally go to the campus and walk around and get people to the polls for Ron Paul.

PauliticsPolitics
03-20-2012, 05:33 AM
Ok folks.
It's past 6am, polls are opening now; so I have to go work some polling places.
People from IL: please consider getting off your butt and doing something in person (such as the things mentioned in this thread).
Everyone else, Please do your best to give this a bump occasionally, or hit up the chipin in the OP if ya can.

RonPaulIsGreat
03-20-2012, 06:52 AM
Bump...

Just got back from voting..

mport1
03-20-2012, 06:54 AM
Just voted for Ron Paul, and Ron Paul only (none of those other statists on the ballot).

oriolesfan
03-20-2012, 06:56 AM
I'm one of the elusive Paul supporters in the 5th district. Just got back from voting!

Tinnuhana
03-20-2012, 07:29 AM
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Everybody help out just a little bit. 38 more people at $25 each or 76 more people at $12.50 each...or (I feel like the Count on Sesame St) 132 people at $6.25 each, will get the job done.

brushfire
03-20-2012, 07:48 AM
//

Crystallas
03-20-2012, 07:57 AM
Just got back from voting as well, and I brought 22 casual supporters with me. I have another 4 people voting in the afternoon, and hopefully they bring RP friends as well(per our strategy). I wish I could do more, but I need to work and make fiat money.

Crystallas
03-20-2012, 08:43 AM
If you're in doubt, look up your polling place and registration here.

http://www.elections.il.gov/VotingInformation/RegistrationLookup.aspx

Could you add this to the OP?

havox112
03-20-2012, 09:00 AM
Just voted for Ron Paul in the 18th CD.

Their electronic vote counter isn't working, so they just told me to slide it into the side of the machine where all the votes lay. So I wonder if mine will be counted.

havox112
03-20-2012, 09:15 AM
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/398881_3621973113980_1413533052_33661212_181549207 5_n.jpg

base image was from someone on my facebook who went to the Romney event.

I added the Scumbag Romney meme to it.

Crystallas
03-20-2012, 11:24 AM
Just voted for Ron Paul in the 18th CD.

Their electronic vote counter isn't working, so they just told me to slide it into the side of the machine where all the votes lay. So I wonder if mine will be counted.

You just did the standard paper ballot then. That's what I opted for.

jr4693
03-20-2012, 11:27 AM
Why are people voting in Illinois when the results were already decided and accidentally posted on the Chicago ABC affiliate? http://sgtreport.com/2012/03/breaking-news-illinois-gop-primary-results-posted-24-hours-early/ I am so sick over this ..and am not sure at this point what I will do but I won't sit silent! Tweeting this information out till my fingers fall off!

havox112
03-20-2012, 11:29 AM
Why are people voting in Illinois when the results were already decided and accidentally posted on the Chicago ABC affiliate? http://sgtreport.com/2012/03/breaking-news-illinois-gop-primary-results-posted-24-hours-early/ I am so sick over this ..and am not sure at this point what I will do but I won't sit silent! Tweeting this information out till my fingers fall off!

Probably just testing coding, but we will have to see until the final bell.

Crystallas
03-20-2012, 11:30 AM
Why are people voting in Illinois when the results were already decided and accidentally posted on the Chicago ABC affiliate? http://sgtreport.com/2012/03/breaking-news-illinois-gop-primary-results-posted-24-hours-early/ I am so sick over this ..and am not sure at this point what I will do but I won't sit silent! Tweeting this information out till my fingers fall off!

It's a public test, so other affiliates can program their local sites to auto-retrieve the data. This is nothing new or unusual, spew your conspiracies in hot topics.

havox112
03-20-2012, 11:31 AM
Does anybody know if they will count the votes publicly at the precinct places? Because I plan on going back to my precinct to video tape the counting.

PolicyReader
03-20-2012, 01:26 PM
bump

PolicyReader
03-20-2012, 03:11 PM
bump

havox112
03-20-2012, 03:12 PM
bump

I need to know if I should go to my polling center and record them counting votes.

PauliticsPolitics
03-20-2012, 03:29 PM
bump

I need to know if I should go to my polling center and record them counting votes.

The votes are usually counted at centralized locations, like a county or state HQ.
All votes (whether paper scantron ballots, or electronic voting machine cards) are usually delivered to these HQ.
There will likely be representatives of all campaigns at any counting location.
(Though a lot of counting in IL is done by computers...)
This is a primary, not a caucus; so there is no "count at the polling place."
I am sorry, but I do not know who it is best for you to talk to, especially in your neck of the woods.
Perhaps go to your polling place and ask the people running it if you can help deliver ballots or something like that?

Tinnuhana
03-20-2012, 03:30 PM
Would you local GOP people know that?

PauliticsPolitics
03-20-2012, 03:34 PM
Would you local GOP people know that?
Well, in Illinois the primaries are not run by the parties (GOP, Dems, etc) but instead are run by the Illinois Board of Elections.
So, theoretically, it is in the state's hands - so obviously we are talking lots of bureaucracy where most people (even people getting paid) do not know what is going on.

Aigik
03-20-2012, 03:37 PM
I just got back from voting. They had a thug at the door that tried to turn me away for "electioneering" because I had a Ron Paul 2012 T-shirt on (Electioneering... I forgot, only the mainstream media's allowed to do that), but I ended up being allowed to vote if I turned my shirt inside out. +4 votes for Paul from my family.

PauliticsPolitics
03-20-2012, 03:39 PM
Contribution to Ron Paul Illinois Facebook Ads by PauliticsPolitics (pauliticspolitics@gmail.com)

$50.00

Everybody help out just a little bit. 38 more people at $25 each or 76 more people at $12.50 each...or (I feel like the Count on Sesame St) 132 people at $6.25 each, will get the job done.

Thanks so much Tinnuhana!
So far I managed to reach about 40k people in the target zones (this means 40k people saw an ad). Additionally, there have been a few thousand click-through's for more information.

There are still a few hours left, and I have thrown down about $800 on this so far. If anyone in is a position to help offset this, please see the chipin toward the bottom of the Original Post.

havox112
03-20-2012, 04:00 PM
The thing that makes me worried is that the electronic vote reader wasn't accepting ballots for some people. So they had me just throw it in the side. Of the machine where it was with all the other ballots.

On a side note, my parents both like Ron Paul but are not voting for him. Mom is too lazy, and Dad doesn't like that he has to vote on a Republican ballot...

It is a damn shame and they brush it off like it is nothing

PauliticsPolitics
03-20-2012, 04:05 PM
The thing that makes me worried is that the electronic vote reader wasn't accepting ballots for some people. So they had me just throw it in the side. Of the machine where it was with all the other ballots.

On a side note, my parents both like Ron Paul but are not voting for him. Mom is too lazy, and Dad doesn't like that he has to vote on a Republican ballot...

It is a damn shame and they brush it off like it is nothing

Yea, I'm with you. In Chicago about 1/3rd of all ballots were too big to be scanned so "people" might have to trim them with scissors (not a joke!)

havox112
03-20-2012, 04:05 PM
Yea, I'm with you. In Chicago about 1/3rd of all ballots were too big to be scanned so "people" might have to trim them with scissors (not a joke!)

You'd think they would test the ballot and counting system. But oh well.

PauliticsPolitics
03-20-2012, 04:08 PM
... and Dad doesn't like that he has to vote on a Republican ballot...

Yea, this is a big problem for Ron Paul in Illinois. There are lots of people who like Ron Paul but are just too embarrassed to vote on a Republican Ballot. I have literally encountered hundreds of such people in the past few months while promoting Paul.

havox112
03-20-2012, 04:09 PM
Yea, this is a big problem for Ron Paul in Illinois. There are lots of people who like Ron Paul but are just too embarrassed to vote on a Republican Ballot. I have literally encountered hundreds of such people in the past few months while promoting Paul.

I honestly just think it is an excuse to not leave the house and vote but I can see other people getting testy about just voting on a neutral ballot.

PauliticsPolitics
03-20-2012, 04:11 PM
I honestly just think it is an excuse to not leave the house and vote but I can see other people getting testy about just voting on a neutral ballot.
Yea, there is surely a lazy component as well.
But at least in Chicago, there is a STRONG sentiment that the Republicans are pure evil - and people do not want to be associated with the evil, even if they think Ron Paul is awesome.

havox112
03-20-2012, 04:14 PM
Yea, there is surely a lazy component as well.
But at least in Chicago, there is a STRONG sentiment that the Republicans are pure evil - and people do not want to be associated with the evil, even if they think Ron Paul is awesome.

Which is ironic because the state is under a Democratic iron grip of fraud and scandal. Just look at Blago and Ryan. And I'm sure Quinn isn't the clean and pristine person himself.

NoOneButPaul
03-20-2012, 04:15 PM
I live in Chicago and they would not allow me to vote for Paul unless I took the Republican ballot.

In other words, anyone who was a Democrat (you couldn't even pick Indy or Green, you were forced to pick GOP or DEM) in my ward was unable to vote for Paul if they choose to pick the Democratic ballot.

As much as I pissed and moan they refused to acknowledge that Illinois was an open primary and forced anyone who wanted to vote for Paul to pick up the GOP ballot (meaning they couldn't vote in any of the local elections which is more important to most of the people going out), it also means, at least in 1 ward in Chicago, we probably lost a lot of crossover votes.

For the record, this had nothing to do with fraud, these people were just straight up ignorant that Illinois was an open primary.

I guess the upside is anyone who wanted to vote for the other 3 frauds was faced with the same dilemma, but it hurts us more because we get more crossover than anyone else.

PauliticsPolitics
03-20-2012, 04:22 PM
I live in Chicago and they would not allow me to vote for Paul unless I took the Republican ballot.

In other words, anyone who was a Democrat (you couldn't even pick Indy or Green, you were forced to pick GOP or DEM) in my ward was unable to vote for Paul if they choose to pick the Democratic ballot.

As much as I pissed and moan they refused to acknowledge that Illinois was an open primary and forced anyone who wanted to vote for Paul to pick up the GOP ballot (meaning they couldn't vote in any of the local elections which is more important to most of the people going out), it also means, at least in 1 ward in Chicago, we probably lost a lot of crossover votes.

For the record, this had nothing to do with fraud, these people were just straight up ignorant that Illinois was an open primary.

I guess the upside is anyone who wanted to vote for the other 3 frauds was faced with the same dilemma, but it hurts us more because we get more crossover than anyone else.

Yes. Paul is running in the Republican Primary.
Of course you have to request the GOP ballot.
The IL primary is considered "open" because anyone registered as any party can request the GOP ballot.

You are also right that this makes cross-over votes harder because the Democratic Primary is THE GENERAL ELECTION for Chicago. So people who care about local politics will chose the Dem ballot and not be able to vote for Paul.

But this is the case in every state. Paul is only on the Republican ballot. It's the reality of running as a Republican!

f4runner
03-20-2012, 04:22 PM
I live in Chicago and they would not allow me to vote for Paul unless I took the Republican ballot.

In other words, anyone who was a Democrat (you couldn't even pick Indy or Green, you were forced to pick GOP or DEM) in my ward was unable to vote for Paul if they choose to pick the Democratic ballot.

As much as I pissed and moan they refused to acknowledge that Illinois was an open primary and forced anyone who wanted to vote for Paul to pick up the GOP ballot (meaning they couldn't vote in any of the local elections which is more important to most of the people going out), it also means, at least in 1 ward in Chicago, we probably lost a lot of crossover votes.

For the record, this had nothing to do with fraud, these people were just straight up ignorant that Illinois was an open primary.

I guess the upside is anyone who wanted to vote for the other 3 frauds was faced with the same dilemma, but it hurts us more because we get more crossover than anyone else.

In Illinois you can only vote one ballot. So if you want to vote Ron Paul you must get the Republican ballot. The election judges were correct on giving you only the Republican ballot. But I see your point about people who get the other ballots won't be able to vote for Paul.

NoOneButPaul
03-20-2012, 04:37 PM
Man that's bush league... this is the first time i've voted so I wasn't aware but I'm not sure why it matters really if its open because the local elections (dominated by Dems) are way more important than anything else to the citizens of Chicago.

Which means we probably got fucked in crossover support.

PauliticsPolitics
03-20-2012, 04:42 PM
Man that's bush league... this is the first time i've voted so I wasn't aware but I'm not sure why it matters really if its open because the local elections (dominated by Dems) are way more important than anything else to the citizens of Chicago.

Which means we probably got fucked in crossover support.

True. But this is not unique to Chicago or Illinois. In any area that is dominated by Democrats, the Democratic Primary is more important than the General Election (since the dems always win local elections like 80/20). People have a hard time giving up their right to vote for all the local elections just to vote for Paul.

parocks
03-20-2012, 04:56 PM
Also, if you are near Champaign/Urbana, Bloomington/Normal or any other large University within the target districts, do not be afraid to literally go to the campus and walk around and get people to the polls for Ron Paul.

Oh, there's already an organized effort to do this. The campaign, and the grassroots, all Ron Paul supporters, already know that 18-29 men, especially, all like Ron Paul, but they don't always vote. So, because they know this, they're doing Extra GOTV to get our people (even if we haven't identified them beforehand) to the polls.

Just kidding. But, boy, wouldn't it be great if we did that, you know, things that make you win.

What are the precinct names for the big colleges. So that in a few hours I can express outrage that Ron Paul got some tiny fraction of the total number of students on campus. And someone else can say that we shouldn't "target" students because they "don't vote", and then I can say "we didn't spend money getting them to the polls, we spent money targeting with our phone from home supervoters who typically are older and don't like Ron Paul quite as much as the younguns do.

It's been a week since I've had this argument, so I'm needing my fix.

parocks
03-20-2012, 05:01 PM
Yea, this is a big problem for Ron Paul in Illinois. There are lots of people who like Ron Paul but are just too embarrassed to vote on a Republican Ballot. I have literally encountered hundreds of such people in the past few months while promoting Paul.

Is "embarrassed" the right word? I would find it "icky" or "stomach turning" to vote D.

PauliticsPolitics
03-20-2012, 05:02 PM
Oh, there's already an organized effort to do this. The campaign, and the grassroots, all Ron Paul supporters, already know that 18-29 men, especially, all like Ron Paul, but they don't always vote. So, because they know this, they're doing Extra GOTV to get our people (even if we haven't identified them beforehand) to the polls.

Just kidding. But, boy, wouldn't it be great if we did that, you know, things that make you win.

What are the precinct names for the big colleges. So that in a few hours I can express outrage that Ron Paul got some tiny fraction of the total number of students on campus. And someone else can say that we shouldn't "target" students because they "don't vote", and then I can say "we didn't spend money getting them to the polls, we spent money targeting with our phone from home supervoters who typically are older and don't like Ron Paul quite as much as the younguns do.

It's been a week since I've had this argument, so I'm needing my fix.
I know I know.
Be nice for now though. Some of us have spent 1000's of dollars and 1000's of hours working to get a little piece of this state.

SisCyn
03-20-2012, 05:04 PM
Voted at lunch + 4 delegates.

parocks
03-20-2012, 05:04 PM
I live in Chicago and they would not allow me to vote for Paul unless I took the Republican ballot.

In other words, anyone who was a Democrat (you couldn't even pick Indy or Green, you were forced to pick GOP or DEM) in my ward was unable to vote for Paul if they choose to pick the Democratic ballot.

As much as I pissed and moan they refused to acknowledge that Illinois was an open primary and forced anyone who wanted to vote for Paul to pick up the GOP ballot (meaning they couldn't vote in any of the local elections which is more important to most of the people going out), it also means, at least in 1 ward in Chicago, we probably lost a lot of crossover votes.

For the record, this had nothing to do with fraud, these people were just straight up ignorant that Illinois was an open primary.

I guess the upside is anyone who wanted to vote for the other 3 frauds was faced with the same dilemma, but it hurts us more because we get more crossover than anyone else.

What? Ron Paul is on the Republican ballot. He's a Republican. So, if you want to vote for a Republican, you take the Republican ballot.

Boss
03-20-2012, 05:34 PM
Voted for Paul and for all of Paul's Delegates. Although we are hurting big time in Illinois, it felt great to cast my vote for RP.

NOBP