Would you support/oppose Obama impeachment Bill just introduced in Congress?

[moderate libertarian]

Would you support/oppose Obama impeachment Bill just introduced in Congress?

http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=13656


To quantify general sentiment, poll is attached.

[pcosmar]

Neither (not a poll option)

I think it is pointless and a distraction.
I expect that it has no hope of success even though there are grounds.

The present puppet is not the real problem.. The puppet masters are.

[Mini-Me]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ldfDCSG6DQ

[moderate libertarian]

Under current framrwork, puppet masters can't be directly impeached through votes but by exposing them and by increasing awareness.

Impeachment of a puppet is a rebuke of those associated with the puppet also including the puppet masters.






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ldfDCSG6DQ

RP is right. GOP sense of morality was deeply screwed up and charges were gravely misplaced.


Obama is doing many times more than what RP accused Clinton of.

[pcosmar]

Under current framrwork, puppet masters can't be directly impeached through votes but by exposing them and by increasing awareness.

Impeachment of a puppet is a rebuke of those associated with the puppet also including the puppet masters.

Perhaps.
but I neither support nor oppose it. I will watch the show,, but in the end I expect it to make no difference one way or the other.

It's theatrics.

[moderate libertarian]

Perhaps.
but I neither support nor oppose it. I will watch the show,, but in the end I expect it to make no difference one way or the other.

It's theatrics.

Ok and I see the point behind your arguement. But everyone including the President should be held accountable when high crimes occur. If Obama tried to use "I was just following orders" defense in case such impeachment hearings ensued, such a defense will and should not work.

Your views I have read in discussions here are very informed and insightful. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this issue.

[pen_thief]

I support it as a symbolic gesture that we the people are taking a stand for the Constitution.

[Crotale]

Support it. The guy's a criminal.

[moderate libertarian]

I support it as a symbolic gesture that we the people are taking a stand for the Constitution.

Good point.

[Liberty74]

The current Bill according to how I understand it is nothing more than "Party" showmanship. It's all based on if Obama does this or that in the future.

I would support a Bill that actually went for impeachment today as there are many issues Obama can be impeached on.

[pcosmar]

But everyone including the President should be held accountable when high crimes occur.

I agree with this 100%. Should be.

The reality is that they are not. Have not been for generations.

There simple are not enough of us committed to dragging them out and hanging them publicly yet.
And not in the foreseeable future.

[Domalais]

The current Bill according to how I understand it is nothing more than "Party" showmanship.


This. Some congressman is worried about his reelection chances and is waggling his neoconservative dick around a bit to remind everyone how big it is.

[FrancisMarion]

This. Some congressman is worried about his reelection chances and is waggling his neoconservative dick around a bit to remind everyone how big it is.

You mean this neoconservative dick?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9rvRHg02Fo

http://jones.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=284353

[moderate libertarian]

You mean this neoconservative dick?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9rvRHg02Fo

http://jones.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=284353

Good video.

[Philosophy_of_Politics]

Absolutely. Rule of Law should be sustained, always.

[Xhin]

@Mini-me: That video is always amazing to me.

And yeah, I think he should be impeached. Although as RP said once before "The terms of the impeachment are too mild".

[Merc350]

Support it. The guy's a criminal.
Criminals should be in prison.

[Noblegeorge]

I would because he has violated his oath to protect and defend the consitution.

[Sam I am]

It's a sad day when impeachment is used as a political weapon.

[Hitman83]

Neither (not a poll option)

I think it is pointless and a distraction.
I expect that it has no hope of success even though there are grounds.

The present puppet is not the real problem.. The puppet masters are.

I support it, but I understand what you mean, pcosmar. However, I think by holding impeachment proceedings on Congress' Constitutional authority to declare war, we may shift some neo-cons out of their aggressive war stance. Many may just go along because they will disagree with Obama on anyting, but some will look deeper and maybe learn a bit about what Ron Paul has been saying on FP. I think that impeachment would hurt quite a few of the puppet masters, as well, since some of them cannot avoid being associated with the administration if the impeachment is successful.

Timing it to start within a couple of months could hurt his re-election campaign no matter what the outcome. It may be the only hope the GOP has if they don't nominate Ron Paul. I'm still not sure they could win it without us, even in that scenario.

[anaconda]

The article is confusing me:

I thought articles of impeachment addressed some specific action already committed. In this case, they only seem to affirm what is already stated/implied in the Constitution. So these "articles of impeachment" seem to take on a strange form of a generalized warning. I mean, since no one is accused of anything, whom would the Senate try if the articles were approved in the House?

Corollary: Are these really "articles of impeachment?"

[anaconda]

bump for how can these be articles of impeachment when no one is being presently accused?

[MaxPower]

@Mini-me: That video is always amazing to me.

And yeah, I think he should be impeached. Although as RP said once before "The terms of the impeachment are too mild".
The bill is all around much too mild, inasmuch as it makes no move to actually impeach Obama or take any direct action at all, instead simply offering a statement in the abstract; however, that statement in the abstract is a good and righteous one, and it would certainly be gratifying to see it adopted.

[anaconda]

I have begun to believe, just in the last week or so, that the system is even more iron fisted and corrupt than I could previously wrap my brain around. So the question is moot. There will be nothing close to an impeachment. It matters not whether you support it. The Congress is essentially irrelevant.

[3kgt]

I support it but I know if it ever passed it wouldn't be for the right reasons. If the people truly understood the gravity of his crimes and impeached him then I would be a lot more enthusiastic about it.

[moderate libertarian]

Any one Bill may not be perfect but if is in the general right direction, then this is a good question to be raised at this time imo. This is the only such Bill introduced by anyone in Congress so far, so for just making some people ponder this issue it deserves attention.

[moderate libertarian]

I would because he has violated his oath to protect and defend the consitution.

What if he invoked age old defense and said that he was just following his masters' orders?

[moderate libertarian]

The article is confusing me:

I thought articles of impeachment addressed some specific action already committed. In this case, they only seem to affirm what is already stated/implied in the Constitution. So these "articles of impeachment" seem to take on a strange form of a generalized warning. I mean, since no one is accused of anything, whom would the Senate try if the articles were approved in the House?

Corollary: Are these really "articles of impeachment?"

Won't be surprised if additional articles/Bills are introduced down the road and first Bill was just the door opener.
But I see your point as thread title just referred to one specific Bill that has been introduced so far.