Tyler_Durden
03-18-2012, 08:42 AM
Thread inspired by sailingaway:
they came out immediately with how terrible Ron Paul supporters did terrible things to shut down a caucus, and that is what people will be reading with their coffee. Then they heard there was video and two sides to the story and Romney's campaign people agreed with ours and suddenly it wasn't the instantaneously obvious 'marginalize the Paul people' situation, and abc came out with a more neutral story, waiting to see what came out. At least that is my opinion. However, unless someone like Ben Swann or Maddow or someone actually look into it, any 'clarifications' would tend to be like newspaper corrections, muted, buried, and rarely read. So we have to put the evidence all together so it is hard to ignore, like that one video of Georgia.
Dana Loesch Wants More Details
Source: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/17/Missouri-Caucuses-Gone-Wild
Note from Big Journalism Editor Dana Loesch:*
Sharing a few excerpted emails for even greater clarity. These were sent this evening by caucus-goers.
"From caucus-goer James:
Bryan Spencer, the Saint Charles County Republican Party Central Committee man who was tasked to organize the caucus told my fellow Ron Paul Coordinator here in Saint Charles at the last Saint Charles County Central Committee meeting, that 'if the Ron Paul people come in and hijack the caucus, I will do everything in my power to throw out the entire delegation on a technicality.'*
... the key is to organize your supporters into 'slates', which are lists of names of the supporters who wish to be delegates. Ideally, you want to have your slates full, this way, all delegates that go to the conventions will be your candidate's delegates. It is the process of a democratic republic. Organization is the key going into the caucus, and we had came prepared with the only complete slate of delegates. The Romney camp and Santorum camp had incomplete slates. We could have potentially have walked away with all of the 147 of the delegates. So this is what Spencer means by 'hijack'.*
... When it comes to a caucus, the body chooses the rules, not the GOP central committee. Before the temporary chairman (Eugene Dokes) opened the meeting, a set of rules was not proposed, but was made binding. One of the rules included was the ban on recording devices. I believe this 'rule' was put in for the reason of raising a ruckus.
I'm hearing multiple contradicting accounts on slates. I'm also not sure how I feel about people videotaping my vote. If people were upset about the rules, work to change them beforehand.*
Bob McCarty and Doug Edelman both have written accounts of this, the former includes video. From Edelman:
No business was conducted.* No delegates were selected.* Attendees were threatened with arrest for trespassing if they did not immediately vacate the premises.* The entire affair was a comedy of mismanagement.* Police involvement would not have been necessary if the initial moments of the caucus had been handled by Mr. Dokes with any measure of diplomacy, deference and tact.
Was this an instance of establishment behaving badly, or an instance or Paulers disrupting the process? I trust neither group's answer to be unspun, so am hoping for further information on this story. The sad thing is that St. Charles County is Missouri's biggest and reddest caucus county and its 147 delegates were not awarded."
they came out immediately with how terrible Ron Paul supporters did terrible things to shut down a caucus, and that is what people will be reading with their coffee. Then they heard there was video and two sides to the story and Romney's campaign people agreed with ours and suddenly it wasn't the instantaneously obvious 'marginalize the Paul people' situation, and abc came out with a more neutral story, waiting to see what came out. At least that is my opinion. However, unless someone like Ben Swann or Maddow or someone actually look into it, any 'clarifications' would tend to be like newspaper corrections, muted, buried, and rarely read. So we have to put the evidence all together so it is hard to ignore, like that one video of Georgia.
Dana Loesch Wants More Details
Source: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/17/Missouri-Caucuses-Gone-Wild
Note from Big Journalism Editor Dana Loesch:*
Sharing a few excerpted emails for even greater clarity. These were sent this evening by caucus-goers.
"From caucus-goer James:
Bryan Spencer, the Saint Charles County Republican Party Central Committee man who was tasked to organize the caucus told my fellow Ron Paul Coordinator here in Saint Charles at the last Saint Charles County Central Committee meeting, that 'if the Ron Paul people come in and hijack the caucus, I will do everything in my power to throw out the entire delegation on a technicality.'*
... the key is to organize your supporters into 'slates', which are lists of names of the supporters who wish to be delegates. Ideally, you want to have your slates full, this way, all delegates that go to the conventions will be your candidate's delegates. It is the process of a democratic republic. Organization is the key going into the caucus, and we had came prepared with the only complete slate of delegates. The Romney camp and Santorum camp had incomplete slates. We could have potentially have walked away with all of the 147 of the delegates. So this is what Spencer means by 'hijack'.*
... When it comes to a caucus, the body chooses the rules, not the GOP central committee. Before the temporary chairman (Eugene Dokes) opened the meeting, a set of rules was not proposed, but was made binding. One of the rules included was the ban on recording devices. I believe this 'rule' was put in for the reason of raising a ruckus.
I'm hearing multiple contradicting accounts on slates. I'm also not sure how I feel about people videotaping my vote. If people were upset about the rules, work to change them beforehand.*
Bob McCarty and Doug Edelman both have written accounts of this, the former includes video. From Edelman:
No business was conducted.* No delegates were selected.* Attendees were threatened with arrest for trespassing if they did not immediately vacate the premises.* The entire affair was a comedy of mismanagement.* Police involvement would not have been necessary if the initial moments of the caucus had been handled by Mr. Dokes with any measure of diplomacy, deference and tact.
Was this an instance of establishment behaving badly, or an instance or Paulers disrupting the process? I trust neither group's answer to be unspun, so am hoping for further information on this story. The sad thing is that St. Charles County is Missouri's biggest and reddest caucus county and its 147 delegates were not awarded."