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hillbilly123069
03-17-2012, 09:32 AM
Didn't see this posted. Admin, plz put in another category if you see fit. This pretty much says the gov can do anything to whatever whenever wherever however to whomever whether anyone likes it or not.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness


[mod edit] more here:
http://www.examiner.com/finance-examiner-in-national/president-obama-signs-executive-order-allowing-for-control-over-all-us-resources

LibertyEagle
03-17-2012, 09:57 AM
:eek:

That looks a lot like a complete takeover.

pcosmar
03-17-2012, 10:18 AM
:eek:

That looks a lot like a complete takeover.

And some wonder why some of us "nuts" are a bit concerned.

Shorty Dawkins
03-17-2012, 01:02 PM
:eek:

That looks a lot like a complete takeover.

Yep. It looks like they have pulled out all the stops. They have wanted control of everything for a long time. This is merely their announcement they are ready.

Shorty Dawkins

RiseAgainst
03-17-2012, 01:43 PM
Sec. 204. Chemical and Biological Warfare. The authority of the President conferred by section 104(b) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2074(b), is delegated to the Secretary of Defense.

Nice...

A Son of Liberty
03-17-2012, 01:46 PM
Ya ever feel like yer stuck in a car with a bunch of drunken a-holes, and you keep asking them to pull over because you're not drunk, and you don't feel like speeding through town throwing beer bottles at people and property, and running up on curbs, and shouting at old women, and you just want to get out, but they won't pull over and let you out??

I'm so freaking sick of this crap.

youngbuck
03-17-2012, 01:58 PM
Just shifted into overdrive in preparation for WWIII.

ZENemy
03-17-2012, 02:06 PM
This shit made my hands shake. I hope I'm over reacting.

Kylie
03-17-2012, 02:13 PM
Read Atlas Shrugged.

They can take over everything, and they will still fuck it all up. I guess the only difference now is that they have the nukes to actually destroy us all.

Am I reading this right? It's a takeover of everything; production, aquisition of materials(all), all water sources, all food production.

Is this right?

hillbilly123069
03-17-2012, 02:15 PM
Read Atlas Shrugged.

They can take over everything, and they will still fuck it all up. I guess the only difference now is that they have the nukes to actually destroy us all.

Am I reading this right? It's a takeover of everything; production, aquisition of materials(all), all water sources, all food production.

Is this right?
That's my take on it. Basically, everything we own is at his disposal. We ourselves could be considered a resource where we are no longer US citizens, but property of the federal government.

ZENemy
03-17-2012, 02:16 PM
Doesn't look like its far OFF a dictatorship?

Kylie
03-17-2012, 02:26 PM
Doesn't look like its far OFF a dictatorship?

Not with this.

Wonder what the false flag will be to implement that.

Greek bonds come up on the 20th.


God, I need to go grocery shopping!

WarNoMore
03-17-2012, 02:30 PM
It's a shame more people won't recognize this for what t is.

oyarde
03-17-2012, 02:33 PM
This shit made my hands shake. I hope I'm over reacting. Probably not.

oyarde
03-17-2012, 02:36 PM
Not with this.

Wonder what the false flag will be to implement that.

Greek bonds come up on the 20th.
God, I need to go grocery shopping! Always a good idea these days . Who would buy those bonds ??

ZENemy
03-17-2012, 02:42 PM
Always a good idea these days . Who would buy those bonds ??

I think we have run out of succers?

pcosmar
03-17-2012, 02:47 PM
I think we have run out of succers?

I hear there is one born every minute.
But that was before abortion, so there may be a shortage.

whippoorwill
03-17-2012, 02:53 PM
GAS...Price..Control...Fail!

ZENemy
03-17-2012, 03:04 PM
I hear there is one born every minute.
But that was before abortion, so there may be a shortage.

LOL

Lishy
03-17-2012, 03:07 PM
Argh it frustrates me if you try to show these things to Obama supporters, they just think you're a conspiracy theorist.

CTRattlesnake
03-17-2012, 03:21 PM
President Obama signs Executive Order allowing for control over all US resources

On March 16th, President Obama signed a new Executive Order which expands upon a prior order issued in 1950 for Disaster Preparedness, and gives the office of the President complete control over all the resources in the United States in times of war or emergency.

The National Defense Resources Preparedness order gives the Executive Branch the power to control and allocate energy, production, transportation, food, and even water resources by decree under the auspices of national defense and national security. The order is not limited to wartime implementation, as one of the order's functions includes the command and control of resources in peacetime determinations.

Section 101. Purpose. This order delegates authorities and addresses national defense resource policies and programs under the Defense Production Act of 1950, as amended (the "Act").

(b) assess on an ongoing basis the capability of the domestic industrial and technological base to satisfy requirements in peacetime and times of national emergency, specifically evaluating the availability of the most critical resource and production sources, including subcontractors and suppliers, materials, skilled labor, and professional and technical personnel; - White House

Additionally, each cabinet under the Executive Branch has been given specific powers when the order is executed, and include the absolute control over food, water, and other resource distributions.

Sec. 201. Priorities and Allocations Authorities. (a) The authority of the President conferred by section 101 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071, to require acceptance and priority performance of contracts or orders (other than contracts of employment) to promote the national defense over performance of any other contracts or orders, and to allocate materials, services, and facilities as deemed necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense, is delegated to the following agency heads:

(1) the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer;

(2) the Secretary of Energy with respect to all forms of energy;

(3) the Secretary of Health and Human Services with respect to health resources;

(4) the Secretary of Transportation with respect to all forms of civil transportation;

(5) the Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources; and

(6) the Secretary of Commerce with respect to all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials.

(e) "Food resources" means all commodities and products, (simple, mixed, or compound), or complements to such commodities or products, that are capable of being ingested by either human beings or animals, irrespective of other uses to which such commodities or products may be put, at all stages of processing from the raw commodity to the products thereof in vendible form for human or animal consumption. "Food resources" also means potable water packaged in commercially marketable containers, all starches, sugars, vegetable and animal or marine fats and oils, seed, cotton, hemp, and flax fiber, but does not mean any such material after it loses its identity as an agricultural commodity or agricultural product.

Executive Orders created for national defense and national preparedness are not new in American history, but in each instance they brought about a Constitutional crisis that nearly led standing Presidents to hold dictatorial power over the citizenry. During the Civil War, President Lincoln halted freedom of speech and freedom of the press, while at the same time revoking Habeas Corpus and the right to a fair trial under the sixth amendment. During World War I, when Congress refused to grant Woodrow Wilson extended power over resources to help the war effort, he invoked an Executive Order which allowed him complete control over businesses, industry, transportation, food, and other economic policies.

In both cases, it was only after the death of each President that full Constitutional powers were restored to the citizens of the United States.

The economy of the United States is based on the free flow of resources, energy, and the rights of consumers to buy and sell as they see fit. Any interference in this economic process quickly leads to shortages, rising prices, and civil unrest. The purpose of President Obama signing this new Executive Order is yet unclear, however, it may coincide with information coming out of Israel yesterday that plans for a tactical or strategic strike on Iran are accelerating. Oil prices in Europe rose over $3 a barrel for Brent crude after the Israeli actions, and US oil prices rose $2 for WTI.

The Obama administration appears to be preparing for a long drawn out war in the Middle East, or at the very least, an expected crisis that will require the need to override Constitutional authority and claim dominion over all resources in the United States under the guise of national defense. With the rise in Disaster Preparedness growing for both individuals and states leading up to yesterday's Executive Order, the mood of the nation points strongly towards some event or disaster that will require massive preparations on a national as well as local scale




http://www.examiner.com/finance-examiner-in-national/president-obama-signs-executive-order-allowing-for-control-over-all-us-resources#ixzz1pPOz4vUG

Gray Fullbuster
03-17-2012, 03:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE7vbKHectY

phill4paul
03-17-2012, 03:25 PM
Amerika has already become a prison industrial complex of forced labour of its convicts. The question is...will the convicts be able to turn it around?

sailingaway
03-17-2012, 03:25 PM
this guy HAS to be impeached.

alucard13mmfmj
03-17-2012, 03:25 PM
Is it me... or is Obama/US government spreading facism and dictatorship at an ever faster rate? It seems that these last 6 months.... more laws and bills are passed that give President or the government more power and the individual american less power.

At the rate this is going, I would say it might be goodbye america.

Too bad the general population doesn't know that these are being passed and if they do, it is the sugarcoated or disguised version.

CTRattlesnake
03-17-2012, 03:26 PM
Im legitmately scared for the future of this country

3kgt
03-17-2012, 03:26 PM
here we gooooooo

nano1895
03-17-2012, 03:28 PM
Curious to see how the liberals spin this one.

Feeding the Abscess
03-17-2012, 03:30 PM
Curious to see how the liberals spin this one.

"You're just a conspiracy theorist"

Lucille
03-17-2012, 03:34 PM
Is it me... or is Obama/US government spreading facism and dictatorship at an ever faster rate? It seems that these last 6 months.... more laws and bills are passed that give President or the government more power and the individual american less power.

At the rate this is going, I would say it might be goodbye america.

Too bad the general population doesn't know that these are being passed and if they do, it is the sugarcoated or disguised version.

No, it's not just you. I am astounded at the sheer number of "laws" that have been passed in the last 6 months alone that undermine the BoR, and grant the govt so much power over every f'n thing. I guess we must be raciss, terrorists, and/or conspiracy theory nuts, since the Amerikan sheeple don't seem to mind.

Something big must be coming...

pcosmar
03-17-2012, 03:34 PM
"You're just a conspiracy theorist"

And don't forget,,
This power will transfer to the next Warmonger in Chief. (unless we can elect a man of peace)

WilliamC
03-17-2012, 03:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGJqo_bkAuM

Kluge
03-17-2012, 03:56 PM
Argh it frustrates me if you try to show these things to Obama supporters, they just think you're a conspiracy theorist.

Or worse, they defend it for various reasons.

No Free Beer
03-17-2012, 04:00 PM
When I graduate from college, I'm out of here...

oyarde
03-17-2012, 04:04 PM
Argh it frustrates me if you try to show these things to Obama supporters, they just think you're a conspiracy theorist. They could be correct about me , I do have some theories ....

ZENemy
03-17-2012, 04:09 PM
We should create an award called the "Nostradamus award" and give it to ALEX JONES....yea I said it!

ZENemy
03-17-2012, 04:09 PM
Ron Paul Should get an award too! "Economic Nostradamus"

HOLLYWOOD
03-17-2012, 04:23 PM
But it's all in the name of, wait for it... SAFETY


The Romans used it...
The Dark Ages Crusaders used it...
The Socialists used it...
The Communists used it...
The Fascists used it...

TPTB are using the lawyered-up Capital Hill & White House puppets to do the same...

ClydeCoulter
03-17-2012, 04:29 PM
Ya ever feel like yer stuck in a car with a bunch of drunken a-holes, and you keep asking them to pull over because you're not drunk, and you don't feel like speeding through town throwing beer bottles at people and property, and running up on curbs, and shouting at old women, and you just want to get out, but they won't pull over and let you out??

I'm so freaking sick of this crap.

Yes, I do.

Johnny Appleseed
03-17-2012, 04:34 PM
God Damn America...its the only thing that will save us

osan
03-17-2012, 04:45 PM
Didn't see this posted. Admin, plz put in another category if you see fit. This pretty much says the gov can do anything to whatever whenever wherever however to whomever whether anyone likes it or not.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness


[mod edit] more here:
http://www.examiner.com/finance-examiner-in-national/president-obama-signs-executive-order-allowing-for-control-over-all-us-resources

I read these and it is surreal. Obama has effectively established a soviet state in America and that is no exaggeration in any measure. This move pretty well confirms that the bastards are preparing for something significant and want to be sure to have all their ducks in a row. Well, it looks like every duck in the nation is sitting on the same line. This order is so blatant as to have taken even me by some surprise.

On chat someone was also claiming that DHS is looking to purchase 450 million rounds of .40 S&W ammunition. That is a lot of ammo, expecially during a period of supposed domestic peace. This stands to make .40 scarce and costly.

So, any specific speculations as to what exactly this president and his masters are up to?

pcosmar
03-17-2012, 04:47 PM
So, any specific speculations as to what exactly this president and his masters are up to?

NO GOOD.

:(

Dr.3D
03-17-2012, 04:54 PM
I suspect they are planning a war against their own population.

osan
03-17-2012, 05:00 PM
:eek:

That looks a lot like a complete takeover.

That's because it is a complete takeover.

With this all we can do is wait to see just how far the definitions of terms such as "preparedness" and "emergency" get twisted into the ozone.

I am afraid that my opinion has been cemented more solidly into truth with this move than perhaps any other thus far. The time to choose is here and you will choose no matter what you ultimately do. You will choose to fight or you will surrender, explicitly or by default. And I believe that fighting now is almost certainly constrained to the employ of weapons, whether or not shots are actually fired in anger. I see no other way around this, but please offer alternate paths that are not completely psychotic if you have them.

Just look at what is going on: there is ONE lousy stinking candidate running for the Oval Office who is not as filthy and crooked as the day is long at the poles and he is getting screwed over by the GOP for the sake of the great agenda and the march to perdition for which it calls all hands. Votes are probably being flipped, and not even in a competently cryptic fashion. They, the proverbial "they" that is, do not give a SHIT what we think. Their contempt for us is so profound that they do not even try to hide it as they once took great pains to do years ago. We do not even rate as shit in their eyes, I suspect, and it seems they are now going to make a rapid move for the carotids. Oh boy - happy day.

I think all they respect is the gun and I am not even sure of that anymore.

It feels like my damned head is going to explode.

osan
03-17-2012, 05:02 PM
NO GOOD.

:(

Well, yes... I was hoping for more specific than that? For example, will be proactive or reactive? Perhaps our long speculations of economic collapse are nigh upon us and they are gunning up for the ensuing violence.

shelskov
03-17-2012, 05:03 PM
Drudged it.

kill the banks
03-17-2012, 05:15 PM
Drudged it.

good ... i did as well

osan
03-17-2012, 05:22 PM
Read Atlas Shrugged.

They can take over everything, and they will still fuck it all up. I guess the only difference now is that they have the nukes to actually destroy us all.

Am I reading this right? It's a takeover of everything; production, aquisition of materials(all), all water sources, all food production.

Is this right?

It is precisely that. What clinches it for me is the vague use of terms such as "emergency". Given the abundant and rather horrifying record of behavior in terms of language abuse, I hold ZERO doubt that the definitions will be fluid and will always alter such that they will basically do whatever they please. This EO is an effective suspension of ALL human rights in the USA as of 16 March, 2012. Most of the people in the USA are hopelessly ignorant of subjects such as freedom and how it depends on intact private property rights. I can assure you that Obama's masters are not. They know EXACTLY what it is they are doing and what this action is likely to produce in returns on invested power. Obama has just in effect declared the confiscation of every resource in the nation, including all personal possessions, "resource" being another of those ill-defined bits of legal jargon.

The only question remaining is how far will they go? What are the REAL targets of this act of fiat?

Note how in the order, Congress is mentioned but twice and ONLY with regard to reporting annually to them. In other words, Congress has been essentially obviated from a substantial majority of all governmental concerns, legitimate or otherwise. Big shit, we report to Congress once a year. May as well dissolve the Congress while we are at it, and that may come before much longer. Keep your eyes peeled for something like that or a great diminution of their power.

The shit ain't coming. It is here. Now. They don't have to come and confiscate your lawn tractor, though they are now empowered to. I suspect it will be the large corporate entities they will bind to them and work their way downward from there. I hold no doubt that this is at least partly a test case to see if the people stand up in outrage. My money is they are betting that the people will not and my money will be with them. Once this becomes worn in like a good bearing I further suspect that movement will accelerate. Look for some landmark test case... some company gone awry or a "terrorist" attack on US soil... some "crisis" that will prompt the executive to act rapaciously in the name of safety and security. People will be so scared or angry or disgusted that they will cheer the government action and from there the stage will have been set. With the people well primed to accept such action, I would expect to see ever more frequent "acquisitions", though perhaps not at first. Let the shock wear in really well to acclimate the people then move again and again until it becomes commonplace and nobody either cares or has the means of doing a thing about it.

Keep your guns close and your powder dry. The shit has hit the fan, albeit quietly and perhaps with delayed effects. Stock your food stores and other essentials. I would not take this lightly. If it goes nowhere, the worst thing is you have some extra food on your hands.

Holy fuck I so need to find a job... :(

awake
03-17-2012, 05:32 PM
Big government eventually devours its own people. It must, for you might put it down. It is survival, plain and simple.

pcosmar
03-17-2012, 05:44 PM
Well, yes... I was hoping for more specific than that? For example, will be proactive or reactive? Perhaps our long speculations of economic collapse are nigh upon us and they are gunning up for the ensuing violence.

Well,, speculation was posted earlier in the thread. Logical and historical, but speculation.
Worth watching and considering though.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xE7vbKHectY

Zippyjuan
03-17-2012, 05:46 PM
Kindda hard to compile a list of every possible disaster which could strike the US so plans need to by their nature be a bit vague. It would be too complicate to try to plan for every single possible event- say a 5.6 earthquake in downtown Los Angeles vs a hurricane in the Gulf states or tornados in the South or fires in the West or flooding or......
What sort of responce would depend entirely on the facts of each disaster- every one will be different.

John F Kennedy III
03-17-2012, 05:47 PM
And some wonder why some of us "nuts" are a bit concerned.

And every member on RPF that continues to pretend this shit isn't real needs to be perma banned. Period. The trolls and plants on this forum do nothing to further our cause.

John F Kennedy III
03-17-2012, 05:53 PM
Ya ever feel like yer stuck in a car with a bunch of drunken a-holes, and you keep asking them to pull over because you're not drunk, and you don't feel like speeding through town throwing beer bottles at people and property, and running up on curbs, and shouting at old women, and you just want to get out, but they won't pull over and let you out??

I'm so freaking sick of this crap.

Great analogy.

Zippyjuan
03-17-2012, 06:01 PM
And every member on RPF that continues to pretend this shit isn't real needs to be perma banned. Period. The trolls and plants on this forum do nothing to further our cause.

Ah- so we should have some sort of paranoia scale to become a member. Sad. Ban alternative opinions on issues because you don't agree. Forums are supposed to be places where ideas get discussed.

John F Kennedy III
03-17-2012, 06:01 PM
This shit made my hands shake. I hope I'm over reacting.

I can think of horribly violent acts that wouldn't be considered over reaction to this.

TheTexan
03-17-2012, 06:07 PM
There will be no uproar over this, or if there is, it will be short lived and quickly forgotten. It's becoming increasingly clear that this country does not want freedom. I don't know how much more proof anybody needs.

Secession, please.

pcosmar
03-17-2012, 06:08 PM
Kindda hard to compile a list of every possible disaster which could strike the US so plans need to by their nature be a bit vague. It would be too complicate to try to plan for every single possible event- say a 5.6 earthquake in downtown Los Angeles vs a hurricane in the Gulf states or tornados in the South or fires in the West or flooding or......
What sort of responce would depend entirely on the facts of each disaster- every one will be different.

I have lived through several hurricanes.. I lived in Tornado alley before FEMA existed.
Take that BULLSHIT elsewhere.

Every time I have seen FEMA since then, it was getting in the way.

John F Kennedy III
03-17-2012, 06:12 PM
Argh it frustrates me if you try to show these things to Obama supporters, they just think you're a conspiracy theorist.

So do half the members here. Lol.

marcirvine
03-17-2012, 06:12 PM
This is terrible news. I just skimmed the order. he has made it supposedly legal for the executive branch to take over military and civilian capacities. There is no other way to say it than MARTIAL LAW. He will implement it as soon as the war with Iran starts.

TheTexan
03-17-2012, 06:14 PM
This is terrible news. I just skimmed the order. he has made it supposedly legal for the executive branch to take over military and civilian capacities. There is no other way to say it than MARTIAL LAW. He will implement it as soon as the war with Iran starts.

I'm thinking at least in the short term ammo will be a better trade currency than gold. Just a helpful preparation tip.

John F Kennedy III
03-17-2012, 06:21 PM
We should create an award called the "Nostradamus award" and give it to ALEX JONES....yea I said it!

I second this. But it's really all about paying attention to what the NWO says and does. Then you predict based on past behavior or predict simply by saying their own words.

pcosmar
03-17-2012, 06:21 PM
Ah- so we should have some sort of paranoia scale to become a member. Sad. Ban alternative opinions on issues because you don't agree. Forums are supposed to be places where ideas get discussed.

I remember when TSA was being "discussed". When it was first proposed. I watched it implemented.
And it has become infinitely worse than the early opposition could have imagined.

I expect this from government.They aren't good for much,, but when it comes to seriously fucking up,, they excel.

John F Kennedy III
03-17-2012, 06:23 PM
But it's all in the name of, wait for it... SAFETY


The Romans used it...
The Dark Ages Crusaders used it...
The Socialists used it...
The Communists used it...
The Fascists used it...

TPTB are using the lawyered-up Capital Hill & White House puppets to do the same...

This.

John F Kennedy III
03-17-2012, 06:29 PM
I suspect they are planning a war against their own population.

This is exactly what they are doing.

I wonder why the trolls aren't in this thread? Haha.

I wonder if the one with the mad tv guy as his avatar would care to respond to the OP? LOL.

Zippyjuan
03-17-2012, 06:29 PM
I remember when TSA was being "discussed". When it was first proposed. I watched it implemented.
And it has become infinitely worse than the early opposition could have imagined.

I expect this from government.They aren't good for much,, but when it comes to seriously fucking up,, they excel.

I certainly agree with you on this. What I am disagreeing with some on with is the issue of whether this represents some sort of attempt of the US government to engage in a military takeover of the country- rounding up people under the guise of a natural disaster and imposing martial law.

Zippyjuan
03-17-2012, 06:31 PM
I wonder if the one with the mad tv guy as his avatar would care to respond to the OP? LOL.


Cool! Got promoted to "he who shall remain nameless"! Thanks!

PierzStyx
03-17-2012, 06:34 PM
To be clear, this isn't a new legal power. The President ha shad this power since Truman signed the Defense Production Act of 1950. This Executive Order is reasserting that supposed authority and creating the bureaucracy needed to make it effective. This doesn't mean it isn't any less scary. There is only one reason you'd need to be effective at doing something-so you can do it.

pcosmar
03-17-2012, 06:36 PM
I can certainly agree with you on this. What I am disagreeing with some on with is the issue of whether this represents some sort of attempt of the US government to engage in a military takeover of the country- rounding up people under the guise of a natural disaster and imposing martial law.

I don't care what lame ass excuse they are using,,
We have both WWIII and a Global Economic Collapse coming. And they are doing everything they can to ensure BOTH.

This is about Maintaining Control.

John F Kennedy III
03-17-2012, 06:38 PM
Kindda hard to compile a list of every possible disaster which could strike the US so plans need to by their nature be a bit vague. It would be too complicate to try to plan for every single possible event- say a 5.6 earthquake in downtown Los Angeles vs a hurricane in the Gulf states or tornados in the South or fires in the West or flooding or......
What sort of responce would depend entirely on the facts of each disaster- every one will be different.

Oh wait, there he is.

pcosmar
03-17-2012, 06:42 PM
I wonder if the one with the mad tv guy as his avatar would care to respond to the OP? LOL.

Before Mad TV it was Mad Magazine. A comic book.
Alfred E. Neuman

"It was a face that didn't have a care in the world, except mischief,"

oyarde
03-17-2012, 06:43 PM
I don't care what lame ass excuse they are using,,
We have both WWIII and a Global Economic Collapse coming. And they are doing everything they can to ensure BOTH.

This is about Maintaining Control.
Looking at the math, the economic collapse appears certain , so , even if the other stuff did not come about , that will....

fj45lvr
03-17-2012, 06:43 PM
how exactly is this any significant change from the emergency powers act ushered in during Roosevelt?? This is the "end game" scenario for when the dollar finally collapses:
http://blip.tv/the-larry-parks-show/monetary-endgame-martial-law-5334039

Zippyjuan
03-17-2012, 06:46 PM
Looking at the math, the economic collapse appears certain , so , even if the other stuff did not come about , that will....

If that was the plan, why not let 2008 crash and burn? Best opportunity they have had in decades. Economic crisis. Two major wars going on.

John F Kennedy III
03-17-2012, 06:46 PM
Before Mad TV it was Mad Magazine. A comic book.
Alfred E. Neuman

That's what I meant. Thank you.

Dr.3D
03-17-2012, 06:52 PM
If that was the plan, why not let 2008 crash and burn? Best opportunity they have had in decades. Economic crisis. Two major wars going on.
If they had done that, those banks wouldn't have had the chance to get all that money before the collapse.

Zippyjuan
03-17-2012, 06:54 PM
If they crash the economy again and start WWIII they (the banks) will lose it (all that money) again anyways so that would not have made any real difference.

anaconda
03-17-2012, 06:55 PM
That executive order seems blatantly unconstitutional. Just the statement "the United States must have sufficient industrial base for defense" is not within the scope of the executive. It's just some wacky statement. Military expenditures are authorized by the Congress. The President has no say in this shit.

pcosmar
03-17-2012, 06:56 PM
If that was the plan, why not let 2008 crash and burn? Best opportunity they have had in decades. Economic crisis. Two major wars going on.

Because the "plan" is for the entire Middle east to be involved. And the players are still choosing their dance partners. The Global economic collapse is still brewing.
These have been planed for a very long time and are being engineered.
And there are some that want it delayed as much as some want it to happen.

I would like to see it delayed,, or even to see the US stay out of it. (that is looking unlikely)

oyarde
03-17-2012, 06:58 PM
If that was the plan, why not let 2008 crash and burn? Best opportunity they have had in decades. Economic crisis. Two major wars going on. I do not think they intend it , but it will come.

anaconda
03-17-2012, 07:01 PM
If they crash the economy again and start WWIII they (the banks) will lose it (all that money) again anyways so that would not have made any real difference.

Unless they took the 2008 funny money and purchased hard assets. I have a feeling these people own gobs of real estate. And the hard assets of production capacity. With all the potential output of guns, ammo, vehicles, bunker building, army raising, and food production.

Zippyjuan
03-17-2012, 07:01 PM
I do not think they intend it , but it will come.

Ah- the infamous "they".

The Arab Spring would have been a nice time to get the entire Middle East involved if that was what "they" wanted. Aside from Iran and Syria things are more stable there now.

pcosmar
03-17-2012, 07:07 PM
Ah- the infamous "they".

The Arab Spring would have been a nice time to get the entire Middle East involved if that was what "they" wanted. Aside from Iran and Syria things are more stable there now.

I suspect that is a part of it.. Mubarak was a puppet of the US and Israel. That needed to be removed.
As well as others,, so that full blown war can engulf the entire region.

Israel will not survive it. It was never intended to. It is there to precipitate it.

panemetcircenses
03-17-2012, 07:12 PM
Unless they took the 2008 funny money and purchased hard assets. I have a feeling these people own gobs of real estate. And the hard assets of production capacity. With all the potential output of guns, ammo, vehicles, bunker building, army raising, and food production.

Exactly. Just look at all the hard assets that have been bought by the banks and corporations backed by the fed. They used their ability to create money in order to buy up and therefore gain control over almost any aspect of the economy and therefore your life. Energy, Food, Water etc... If the money system collapses they are set up well and in full control. Worldwide that is (except countries like Kuba, North Korea, Iran for now...).

anaconda
03-17-2012, 07:31 PM
Argh it frustrates me if you try to show these things to Obama supporters, they just think you're a conspiracy theorist.

I just got "un-friended" by a Facebook Friend who is an Obama drone. And I was very civil in my comments. She said "while I appreciate healthy political discussions I do not appreciate Obama bashing on my Facebook page." The next day I got deleted as her Facebook Friend. No surprise that the Obama drone was for censorship...

nano1895
03-17-2012, 07:48 PM
I just got "un-friended" by a Facebook Friend who is an Obama drone. And I was very civil in my comments. She said "while I appreciate healthy political discussions I do not appreciate Obama bashing on my Facebook page." The next day I got deleted as her Facebook Friend. No surprise that the Obama drone was for censorship...

:rolleyes:

so the only thing that can be "discussed" is what Republicans are doing?

Hmm, it appears that the first defense on facebook has appeared for me! I won't post the whole post but in summary...

1. It's only when in an "emergency crisis."
2. Do you think Obama would've been the only president to have done this?

and now while all of you facepalm I shall go and immerse myself in what will most likely be a several post wall of text discussion.

Dr.3D
03-17-2012, 08:07 PM
If they crash the economy again and start WWIII they (the banks) will lose it (all that money) again anyways so that would not have made any real difference.

It's not the banks that got all that money, it's those who work in those banks. They got a huge amount of the money and they have it now. It doesn't matter what happens to those banks now. Those who got the money are long gone.

The Free Hornet
03-17-2012, 08:19 PM
Kindda hard to compile a list of every possible disaster which could strike the US so plans need to by their nature be a bit vague. It would be too complicate to try to plan for every single possible event- say a 5.6 earthquake in downtown Los Angeles vs a hurricane in the Gulf states or tornados in the South or fires in the West or flooding or......
What sort of responce would depend entirely on the facts of each disaster- every one will be different.

You bring up some very good points. I have no idea what disaster might require that I plunder my neighbors' houses for their food, tools, shelter, woman, children. Let's say I need to come up with some cash to pay off some debts, in that case, I need my neighbors' money. On the other hand, maybe I need to build a new wall because some miscreant drove his car into my house. In that case, I need my neighbors' tools. Maybe the power goes out and now I need my neighbors' food. Or I want to fight a war, and I must enlist my neighbors' children.

There really is no telling what I might need from the neighbors in the event of an emergency. No doubt, they will be assured by the uncertainty I face in life and not the least bit concerned about my plans to disarm and threaten them with force of law. If you think about it, my neighbors have no right to question the fact that there is no telling what I might need in an emergency and why I must plan now to take their stuff. It would be very paranoid for them to make the same preparations.

flightlesskiwi
03-17-2012, 08:19 PM
:rolleyes:

so the only thing that can be "discussed" is what Republicans are doing?

Hmm, it appears that the first defense on facebook has appeared for me! I won't post the whole post but in summary...

1. It's only when in an "emergency crisis."
2. Do you think Obama would've been the only president to have done this?

and now while all of you facepalm I shall go and immerse myself in what will most likely be a several post wall of text discussion.

i just got into a back and forth with a self-proclaimed republican and how "disrespecting the president" is unwarranted and (to use my own words-- based off of her expressions) unpatriotic. all over my defense of the Constitutionally-protected natural right of the newly-elected mayor of my town to have a "birther" stance.

she declared that this country is a democracy and showed complete ignorance on the minarchist views of the founders. after i corrected her on both-- explaining that this country is a republic which affords the individual from the mob and that we, the people shouldn't seek the federal government for "unity" but rather look to the state in which we live.- she declared me to be "radical and excessive" and also that i needed reason.

so, yeah, even the "republicans" take issue if we don't kiss Our Dear Leader's ring.

Our Dear Leader(s).

i can imagine Sam Adams and Thomas Jefferson facepalming right now.

oyarde
03-17-2012, 08:25 PM
Ah- the infamous "they".

The Arab Spring would have been a nice time to get the entire Middle East involved if that was what "they" wanted. Aside from Iran and Syria things are more stable there now.Look at the CBO numbers , when the debt is 20 some trillion and oil is who knows what , do you think the dollar will be worth anything ?

flightlesskiwi
03-17-2012, 08:35 PM
Look at the CBO numbers , when the debt is 20 some trillion and oil is who knows what , do you think the dollar will be worth anything ?

keeping warm in the winter, maybe.

eduardo89
03-17-2012, 08:50 PM
I disagree kiwi, I love my country and I love our democracy. That's why I respect MY president. I'll defend both because it's my patriotic duty. Disrespecting MY president means I lack integrity.

I think the mayor should apologize. If he doesn't I'm sure some black helicopters might pay him a visit while he's sleeping.

/s

tommyzDad
03-17-2012, 08:55 PM
Aaaaah! More "Hope and Change."

John F Kennedy III
03-17-2012, 08:58 PM
:rolleyes:

so the only thing that can be "discussed" is what Republicans are doing?

Hmm, it appears that the first defense on facebook has appeared for me! I won't post the whole post but in summary...

1. It's only when in an "emergency crisis."
2. Do you think Obama would've been the only president to have done this?

and now while all of you facepalm I shall go and immerse myself in what will most likely be a several post wall of text discussion.

Feel free to post it in its entirety.

John F Kennedy III
03-17-2012, 09:04 PM
i just got into a back and forth with a self-proclaimed republican and how "disrespecting the president" is unwarranted and (to use my own words-- based off of her expressions) unpatriotic. all over my defense of the Constitutionally-protected natural right of the newly-elected mayor of my town to have a "birther" stance.

she declared that this country is a democracy and showed complete ignorance on the minarchist views of the founders. after i corrected her on both-- explaining that this country is a republic which affords the individual from the mob and that we, the people shouldn't seek the federal government for "unity" but rather look to the state in which we live.- she declared me to be "radical and excessive" and also that i needed reason.

so, yeah, even the "republicans" take issue if we don't kiss Our Dear Leader's ring.

Our Dear Leader(s).

i can imagine Sam Adams and Thomas Jefferson facepalming right now.

Someone needs to make a pic of both of them facepalming.

And one of Reagan with a broken nose that says something like "your liberal bullshit made me facepalm so hard I broke my nose!"

Chainspell
03-17-2012, 09:43 PM
it's gonna get really really bad really really fast

rockerrockstar
03-17-2012, 09:44 PM
Sounds like they want to take over the factories like they did in World War II.

"When the U.S. entered World War II, all domestic passenger automobile production ceased by February 1942. All factories were converted to produce war materiel such as armaments, aircraft and military vehicles.[4] These factories produced an astonishing amount of materiel, including 5.9 million weapons, 2.8 million tanks and trucks, and 27,000 aircraft. This production was a major factor in the victory of the allies."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_the_United_States


I don't like the idea of not being able to buy things because the government would rather have a war and cancel production of domestic goods in order to supply war machines/weapons. Even worse they can control the food supply and water supply. Scary.

oyarde
03-17-2012, 09:50 PM
[QUOTE=rockerrockstar;4289776]Sounds like they want to take over the factories like they did in World War II.

"When the U.S. entered World War II, all domestic passenger automobile production ceased by February 1942. All factories were converted to produce war materiel such as armaments, aircraft and military vehicles.[4] These factories produced an astonishing amount of materiel, including 5.9 million weapons, 2.8 million tanks and trucks, and 27,000 aircraft. This production was a major factor in the victory of the allies."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_the_United_States One of the major manufacturers in my hometowm peviously making radios and waffle irons started making mines and grenades .

Miss Annie
03-17-2012, 09:57 PM
This is terrible news. I just skimmed the order. he has made it supposedly legal for the executive branch to take over military and civilian capacities. There is no other way to say it than MARTIAL LAW. He will implement it as soon as the war with Iran starts.

But will the Martial law be instituted before or after the election? My guess is before..........

kezt777
03-17-2012, 10:39 PM
I remember when TSA was being "discussed". When it was first proposed. I watched it implemented.
And it has become infinitely worse than the early opposition could have imagined.

I expect this from government.They aren't good for much,, but when it comes to seriously fucking up,, they excel.

I lived in Germany before the borders were opened in Europe, and I remember people talking about how 'one day' there was going to be a European currency and most people scoffed at that. The people warning about a general currency were shunned and chastised and called conspiracy theorists (sort of, I dont think that term was used widely over there at the time, but that's the gist of what they meant in their name-calling). I remember it clearly because when I first moved to Germany and drove to my inlaws in England, we had to stop at border/customs in belgium, holland, and france before finally hitting England. Shortly after I moved, the borders were opened and people were happy - welcoming the idea with open arms - while others in the background were warning that this was just the tantalizing treat being dangled in front of their noses so that a european currency could be introduced. Those warners were scoffed at HIGHLY..... and now here we are, 20 years later, and the Euro has been in full swing long enough to already be crumbling and disasterous.

Sorry for the sidebar, but the quoted post reminded me of that.

Back to the main topic - I am actually stunned. I read through all 10 pages of comments here, hoping to find where someone showed this was all a hoax. Of course, it's not. My bf was just telling me this morning about some Gas Committee of overseers and he was angry about THAT - now I just read him the highlights of this executive order and I don't think he took a breath the entire time. Wow. What do they constitute as a 'disaster' where this could be put in place? What do they term as a 'war'? Buckle up Americans! And here I was hoping to one day move down to the US ---- maybe a whole whack of you will end up here instead! (If we can manage to avoid jumping aboard the same sinking ship, that is, which I am not holding my breath for!)

flightlesskiwi
03-17-2012, 10:45 PM
Awww, what a good wittle neoconservative!!! I could just pinch your wittle King worshipping cheeks!!! So much air swirling around between your ears it must sound like a Cat5 hurricane.

/s. Sarcasm doesn't win anymore and it's politically incorrect except when they use it against you. People suck.



I disagree kiwi, I love my country and I love our democracy. That's why I respect MY president. I'll defend both because it's my patriotic duty. Disrespecting MY president means I lack integrity.

I think the mayor should apologize. If he doesn't I'm sure some black helicopters might pay him a visit while he's sleeping.

/s

Tyler_Durden
03-17-2012, 10:56 PM
How come we haven't heard about this in the News? Why hasn't the other GOP Candicates talked about it? Hell, why hasn't Dr. Paul mentioned this???

This is very disturbing to me, especially this part;



"Executive Orders created for national defense and national preparedness are not new in American history, but in each instance they brought about a Constitutional crisis that nearly led standing Presidents to hold dictatorial power over the citizenry."

WTF is going on? We aren't even at War with Iran yet.......

heavenlyboy34
03-17-2012, 11:05 PM
Read Atlas Shrugged.

They can take over everything, and they will still fuck it all up. I guess the only difference now is that they have the nukes to actually destroy us all.

Am I reading this right? It's a takeover of everything; production, aquisition of materials(all), all water sources, all food production.

Is this right?
Roughly a quarter through Atlas. I think you're right. TPTB need competent people to do things (slaves).

hillbilly123069
03-17-2012, 11:07 PM
I disagree kiwi, I love my country and I love our democracy. That's why I respect MY president. I'll defend both because it's my patriotic duty. Disrespecting MY president means I lack integrity.

I think the mayor should apologize. If he doesn't I'm sure some black helicopters might pay him a visit while he's sleeping.

/s
The US Constitution is where our duty is supposed to be. Have you read? Barry swore an oath on his life not to violate it.

heavenlyboy34
03-17-2012, 11:07 PM
Awww, what a good wittle neoconservative!!! I could just pinch your wittle King worshipping cheeks!!! So much air swirling around between your ears it must sound like a Cat5 hurricane.

/s. Sarcasm doesn't win anymore and it's politically incorrect except when they use it against you. People suck.
Satire is becoming nearly impossible because the moment you come up with something to satirize, it will happen in real life. :(

heavenlyboy34
03-17-2012, 11:08 PM
The US Constitution is where your duty is supposed to be. Have you read? Barry swore an oath on his life not to violate it. He had his toes crossed. ;) (srsly, though...he's just doing like he's told-same as every empty suit that TPTB prop up)

flightlesskiwi
03-17-2012, 11:10 PM
The US Constitution is where our duty is supposed to be. Have you read? Barry swore an oath on his life not to violate it.

Long story, hillbilly. He is mocking the girl that called me excessive, radical, unreasoned, arrogant and rude by using her own ignorant words.

oyarde
03-17-2012, 11:14 PM
Long story, hillbilly. He is mocking the girl that called me excessive, radical, unreasoned, arrogant and rude by using her own ignorant words. I have never found you to be arrogant or rude ;)

eduardo89
03-17-2012, 11:15 PM
Long story, hillbilly. He is mocking the girl that called me excessive, radical, unreasoned, arrogant and rude by using her own ignorant words.

I'd vote for you Kiwi if you ran for office.

Ok no I wouldn't, I just said that to boost your already inflated ego.


/idiotic woman who lists The View as her favorite tv show

flightlesskiwi
03-17-2012, 11:27 PM
I have never found you to be arrogant or rude ;)

Meh. I conceded and apologized unfortunately. This was before eduardo brought her favorite tv show to my attention. Had I known, I would have hammered her ignorant posts harder.

Lishy
03-17-2012, 11:34 PM
What the fuck do they want? Seriously, enough already! What the hell do they even want from all this!?

oyarde
03-17-2012, 11:36 PM
Meh. I conceded and apologized unfortunately. This was before eduardo brought her favorite tv show to my attention. Had I known, I would have hammered her ignorant posts harder. I agree , the tv show is too much.

flightlesskiwi
03-17-2012, 11:43 PM
I agree , the tv show is too much.
Well, she apparently takes notes while watching..

She ad hominemed me and then got bent out of shape when I asked her to please read a non-revisionist history book to get the other side of the story.

GuerrillaXXI
03-17-2012, 11:49 PM
What the fuck do they want? Seriously, enough already! What the hell do they even want from all this!?Basically, power for its own sake. Some people just find it very rewarding to lord it over others. It gives them a deep, satisfying feeling of pride to control other people -- to decide who lives or dies, or who goes to prison and who doesn't. This is the general mindset of the political class and its servants in the police and military.

Even many common Americans who aren't directly involved with enforcing the will of the political establishment often support it and its servants. I suspect this is because these people get a vicarious thrill from imagining that the US government is their government and that they have some say in its exercise of power. Siding with those in power is also a handy shield against accusations or feelings of cowardice.

Lishy
03-17-2012, 11:54 PM
Basically, power for its own sake. Some people just find it very rewarding to lord it over others. It gives them a deep, satisfying feeling of pride to control other people -- to decide who lives or dies, or who goes to prison and who doesn't. This is the general mindset of the political class and its servants in the police and military.

Even many common Americans who aren't directly involved with enforcing the will of the political establishment often support it and its servants. I suspect this is because these people get a vicarious thrill from imagining that the US government is their government and that they have some say in its exercise of power. Siding with those in power is also a handy shield against accusations or feelings of cowardice.

No, seriously, what the fuck do they want? The people advocating these things are mostly just dried up pieces of shits in their 50's, 60's, 70's, and soon 80's. Pretty soon they're gonna be too old, even for this dictatorship thing.

So you're telling me they're gonna fuck up the world just so they can jerk off to themselves for 20 years with power?

No, you're fucking kidding me! Seriously, what do they want!? Nothing can be worth this much disaster just for the sake of power!

Voluntary Man
03-18-2012, 12:00 AM
This is all very disturbing, yes. But an EO is NOT law, and should NOT be treated as such. EOs are only binding on federal employees. The president, as the Chief Executive Officer of the federal government has the power to issue policy statements to his underlings. Unless you work for the federal government, you are not one of his underlings, and his EOs are not binding on you. It is common for administrative employees to mistake administrative policy for law, but it isn't. Ray Crock can order all of his employees to insist that all McDonald's customers take a side of fries with their meals, but Ray has no authority to order his customers to take "fries with that."

ZENemy
03-18-2012, 12:02 AM
No, seriously, what the fuck do they want? The people advocating these things are mostly just dried up pieces of shits in their 50's, 60's, 70's, and soon 80's. Pretty soon they're gonna be too old, even for this dictatorship thing.

So you're telling me they're gonna fuck up the world just so they can jerk off to themselves for 20 years with power?

No, you're fucking kidding me! Seriously, what do they want!? Nothing can be worth this much disaster just for the sake of power!

I feel EXACTLY the same....one can give me reasons until they are out of breath and I still wouldn't get it. Its as if they feel they will live forever in another life if they steal enough souls.

eduardo89
03-18-2012, 12:08 AM
I feel EXACTLY the same....one can give me reasons until they are out of breath and I still wouldn't get it. Its as if they feel they will live forever in another life if they steal enough souls.

They've probably made a pact with Satan...

Voluntary Man
03-18-2012, 12:09 AM
No, seriously, what the fuck do they want? The people advocating these things are mostly just dried up pieces of shits in their 50's, 60's, 70's, and soon 80's. Pretty soon they're gonna be too old, even for this dictatorship thing.

So you're telling me they're gonna fuck up the world just so they can jerk off to themselves for 20 years with power?

No, you're fucking kidding me! Seriously, what do they want!? Nothing can be worth this much disaster just for the sake of power!

They want you to sit down, stop ask uncomfortable questions, STFU, and die....like a good little serf:http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/spring02/holland/Science.htm

ZENemy
03-18-2012, 12:10 AM
They've probably made a pact with Satan...

I would have to agree!

WarNoMore
03-18-2012, 12:17 AM
No, seriously, what the fuck do they want? The people advocating these things are mostly just dried up pieces of shits in their 50's, 60's, 70's, and soon 80's. Pretty soon they're gonna be too old, even for this dictatorship thing.

So you're telling me they're gonna fuck up the world just so they can jerk off to themselves for 20 years with power?

No, you're fucking kidding me! Seriously, what do they want!? Nothing can be worth this much disaster just for the sake of power!

Disaster is what they're after. If power is your game, then suffering comes with the territory. Slavery isn't something that pleases both parties, not without one being so totally robbed of his/her freedom that they love their own bondage.

GuerrillaXXI
03-18-2012, 12:32 AM
No, seriously, what the fuck do they want? The people advocating these things are mostly just dried up pieces of shits in their 50's, 60's, 70's, and soon 80's. Pretty soon they're gonna be too old, even for this dictatorship thing.

So you're telling me they're gonna fuck up the world just so they can jerk off to themselves for 20 years with power?

No, you're fucking kidding me! Seriously, what do they want!? Nothing can be worth this much disaster just for the sake of power!No, I'm not kidding. I think a selfish desire for power is their main motivation for promoting all this totalitarian bullshit. Obviously that doesn't make it right, and my hate for the people responsible for it knows no bounds.

Xhin
03-18-2012, 01:27 AM
Unless you work for the federal government, you are not one of his underlings, and his EOs are not binding on you.

Fortunately:

Sec. 501. National Defense Executive Reserve. (a) In accordance with section 710(e) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2160(e), there is established in the executive branch a National Defense Executive Reserve (NDER) composed of persons of recognized expertise from various segments of the private sector and from Government (except full time Federal employees) for training for employment in executive positions in the Federal Government in the event of a national defense emergency.

(d) The head of each agency with an NDER unit may exercise the authority under section 703 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2153, to employ civilian personnel when activating all or a part of its NDER unit. The exercise of this authority shall be subject to the provisions of sections 501(e) and (f) of this order and shall not be redelegated.

Sec. 502. Consultants. The head of each agency otherwise delegated functions under this order is delegated the authority of the President under sections 710(b) and (c) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2160(b), (c), to employ persons of outstanding experience and ability without compensation

Xhin
03-18-2012, 01:41 AM
Also, I'm honestly not sure about this EO, even after multiple reads and research. Almost identical EO's have been enacted many times since the Defense Production Act of 1950 was established, and that act is what actually gives the president the power shown in this thread. The best way to figure out what's going on is to compare it with this:

http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/12919.htm

^ EO signed by President Clinton in 1994. It's worth noting that the current EO repeals this one, as well as the one issued by Ronald Raegan in 1988.

Since the EO wording is almost identical (I haven't fully combed through them both), the change is equivalent to what the bill that supposedly killed the first amendment had (not very much) compared to current US law.

Also, the "government seizing all natural resources and production" thing hasn't happened since WWII, although EO's similar to this one have reaffirmed the ability of POTUS to do so.

What strikes me as odd is the timing; to reaffirm this bill (and set down some additional procedures which I haven't researched through yet) right on the cusp of a possible crisis with Iran, which would have a strong possibility of becoming a global crisis.

Anti Federalist
03-18-2012, 01:44 AM
No, I'm not kidding. I think a selfish desire for power is their main motivation for promoting all this totalitarian bullshit. Obviously that doesn't make it right, and my hate for the people responsible for it knows no bounds.

This.

Lust for power can never be satiated, it can never be satisfied.

"Because we can" becomes both the justification for, and the cause of, all the horrors that follow.

Magicman
03-18-2012, 02:40 AM
Guys these occultists in government do eveyrthing based upon symbolism and choose wars the same. Take a good look at March 20th to be exact for them to invade Iran it just so happens that March 20th 2003 was the date of invasion into Iraq.

thoughtomator
03-18-2012, 04:42 AM
I'm having trouble figuring out why this EO makes a difference. The executive already does whatever the hell it wants, whenever it wants, taking anything and everything it wants, and nobody is any more likely to stop it now than they were two days ago.

anaconda
03-18-2012, 05:50 AM
So you're telling me they're gonna fuck up the world just so they can jerk off to themselves for 20 years with power?


I think their version of a super elitist frat boy fraternity & sorority girl support system never goes away.

pcosmar
03-18-2012, 07:14 AM
I think their version of a super elitist frat boy fraternity & sorority girl support system never goes away.

That is actually close. They are doing it because they believe in something. Those systems were preparation.
They believe they can make people "Better".
They believe they are better and wiser. (illuminated)

and some even believe that they serve Lucifer. (and they do)

Mini-Me
03-18-2012, 07:39 AM
No, seriously, what the fuck do they want? The people advocating these things are mostly just dried up pieces of shits in their 50's, 60's, 70's, and soon 80's. Pretty soon they're gonna be too old, even for this dictatorship thing.

So you're telling me they're gonna fuck up the world just so they can jerk off to themselves for 20 years with power?

No, you're fucking kidding me! Seriously, what do they want!? Nothing can be worth this much disaster just for the sake of power!

Narcissists don't mellow as they get older. They just get worse.

This may be a mere expansion of Executive Order 12919, but it's hilarious seeing apologists on the Internet pretend like they already knew about it. Who do they think they're fooling? The vast majority never actually knew about EO 12919! They looked it up after someone else pointed out "this is nothing new," and they do mental gymnastics to pretend like, "this horrific order is nothing new" means, "nothing to see here." No, it means, "Holy crap, we've had 18 years to warn people about this crazy shit, and we've squandered it?!?" The fact that they're reaffirming totalitarian power and expanding upon it at this time is ominous. Taken all the way, it enables an overnight fascist or Communist transformation of the entire country.

I found an interesting comment here (https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/03/17/obama-executive-order-declares-peacetime-war-powers-for-preparedness-sets-up-absolute-neoliberal-handover-to-the-mic/) from someone in the process of comparing the two executive orders:

Thank you, but I know about the other executive orders dealing with national emergency powers to FEMA and the heads of various agencies…

but look at what this says… it extends those powers to peacetime in “preparedness” for national defense… in “preparedness” for a perceived national emergency possibility.

it’s a preemptive strike on an emergency… during peacetime.

It also goes well beyond any executive order of the past, including 12919 in so much as it gives the heads of agencies the power of the purse string COMBINED with the power to sell off ANY US assets to private corporations.

Again, I am still looking at this.

And yes, we can expect many online marketing agents hired by the dems to run around from site to site saying this is nothing.


I'm having trouble figuring out why this EO makes a difference. The executive already does whatever the hell it wants, whenever it wants, taking anything and everything it wants, and nobody is any more likely to stop it now than they were two days ago.
The executive branch does do whatever it wants...and executive orders are a mechanism for doing that. The way I see it, this executive order could be meant to prime and refresh the President's subordinates about orders they may be told to carry out with little or no notice. That way, Obama can put on a hood and quickly say something like, "Execute order 66" in a sinister voice, and his lackeys will know what he's talking about and spring into action.

No Free Beer
03-18-2012, 07:41 AM
I don't get it.

Didn't the bill in 1950 already give them that power? Or was that just in case of emergency?

playboymommy
03-18-2012, 08:01 AM
I don't get it.

Didn't the bill in 1950 already give them that power? Or was that just in case of emergency?

It says war emergency. WTH does that even mean though? What is an emergency? Will they cause the emergency? These orders do frighten me. We still have our guns.

Mini-Me
03-18-2012, 08:09 AM
It says war emergency. WTH does that even mean though? What is an emergency? Will they cause the emergency? These orders do frighten me. We still have our guns.

Indeed. THIS is the real reason for the Second Amendment today: Nothing short of a complete takeover is ever likely to convince people to take up arms, but people very well might pay attention to the wholesale physical seizure of personal property and labor. Remember SOPA/PIPA? People actually demonstrated a show of political force, because they realized they would be personally affected. They couldn't apply wishful thinking like with the NDAA and pretend it's about "turrists." The same would apply here.

I get the feeling the government knows this though...so they'll probably stop short of seizing most personal property. That's just small potatoes to them anyway. Instead, they'll focus on nationalizing industries and taking over capital goods and farms (few people are farmers nowadays). They'll start with the large ones, then take over smaller businesses one at a time. Houses and personal property will likely be left alone to avoid inciting united opposition. The wealthiest and most powerful outside of government will also stand to gain much from this, because the order allows the government to seize any and all property and sell it to whoever they want for whatever they want. The most powerful corporatists will probably be gifted the assets of their weaker competitors in exchange for their unquestioning cooperation...you know, "national socialist" style.

hillbilly123069
03-18-2012, 08:18 AM
It says war emergency. WTH does that even mean though? What is an emergency? Will they cause the emergency? These orders do frighten me. We still have our guns.
I read emergency as well as non-emergency as long as it's in the interest of national defense.

Suzu
03-18-2012, 09:09 AM
To help put the EO in context:


http://Www.youtube.com/watch?v=y00ygpgALi0

vechorik
03-18-2012, 09:10 AM
duplicate

vechorik
03-18-2012, 09:19 AM
Jeesh! This morning I not only feel like prepping more, I feel like crawling into a hole and pulling it in after me -- but I can't do that -- I have to participate in this evil system and do the best I can to change it! Heaven help us!

Demigod
03-18-2012, 09:22 AM
To help put the EO in context:


http://Www.youtube.com/watch?v=y00ygpgALi0

Again WW II USA propaganda was great.It is actually entertaining

Brett85
03-18-2012, 09:23 AM
Argh it frustrates me if you try to show these things to Obama supporters, they just think you're a conspiracy theorist.

Tell them that it can't be a conspiracy when it's actually written down on paper.

WilliamShrugged
03-18-2012, 09:31 AM
Well that settles it. Next paycheck i'm going to buy more ammo, silver, and survival materials so WHEN SHTF i'm able to survive.

NCGOPer_for_Paul
03-18-2012, 09:32 AM
Haven't read the whole thread, but seeing this, and the ammo buy, has anyone given any thought to maybe Obama is going to slap down an executive order suspending the elections to "protect" the public?

He'll cite things like the Missouri caucus, stating that if the Republican party nominating process leads to chaos, how can we have an orderly election.

Mini-Me
03-18-2012, 09:35 AM
Tell them that it can't be a conspiracy when it's actually written down on paper.

I think it's a mistake to continue going along with this perversion of the English language into Newspeak. Why can't it be a conspiracy? It can be a conspiracy. It is a conspiracy...and it's real.

WHY have we gone along with redefining "conspiracy" to mean, "crazy nonsense?" That's not what it means at all. It means:

con·spir·a·cy
   [kuhn-spir-uh-see]
noun, plural -cies.
1. the act of conspiring.
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.
Three of the definitions don't even mention the word "secret," and one of them only mentions it in combination with "or [unlawful/evil]."

2young2vote
03-18-2012, 09:53 AM
It says war emergency. WTH does that even mean though? What is an emergency? Will they cause the emergency? These orders do frighten me. We still have our guns.

They are going to need an absolutely massive attack on US soil to "Justify" this, if they are even going to try to justify it. This honestly sounds like true socialism to me. It sounds to me like they are talking about complete control or regulation of entire supply chains, and that is scary when you consider the lack of efficiency of government.

Roxi
03-18-2012, 09:58 AM
All these powers were already in place. All this did was extend them to peacetime (which we haven't been in for a while)

Roxi
03-18-2012, 10:02 AM
In fact, this is the video that got me into the RP movement and is about these powers. It annoys me a little that I was ranting about this 5 years ago and suddeny the general public is all pissed about this one.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl1VIhdpl4c

PaulConventionWV
03-18-2012, 10:16 AM
Ron Paul Should get an award too! "Economic Nostradamus"

Why would we do that? Nostradamus was wrong.

PaulConventionWV
03-18-2012, 10:20 AM
I'm having trouble figuring out why this EO makes a difference. The executive already does whatever the hell it wants, whenever it wants, taking anything and everything it wants, and nobody is any more likely to stop it now than they were two days ago.

Accustomization...

Mini-Me
03-18-2012, 10:27 AM
In fact, this is the video that got me into the RP movement and is about these powers. It annoys me a little that I was ranting about this 5 years ago and suddeny the general public is all pissed about this one.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl1VIhdpl4c

Don't be annoyed; be happy people are finally paying attention. According to some of the people analyzing these executive orders though, this one DOES grant a few new powers in addition to reaffirming old (and still ridiculous) ones. For instance, check out the willyloman quote I posted a couple pages back (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?367573-Obama-signs-Executive-Order-allowing-him-control-over-all-US-resources-(3-16-12)&p=4290346&viewfull=1#post4290346).

SilentBull
03-18-2012, 10:30 AM
Man, this crap really pisses me off. Liberals are like those 15-year-olds that think nothing bad could ever happen to them. That bad things happen only to other people. Only in other countries would there be a problem with having a president with the authority to do whatever he wants.

pcosmar
03-18-2012, 11:20 AM
In fact, this is the video that got me into the RP movement and is about these powers. It annoys me a little that I was ranting about this 5 years ago and suddeny the general public is all pissed about this one.



That matter was not to be "Touched Upon".

It was relegated to "Conspiracy Theory" and anyone that voiced concern was labeled as a Nut.

Do you want to be labeled as a "Nut"??

And FEMA HAS GROWN.(with every administration,,both parties) And become a monster..
And even more teeth have been added to this monster.

and still some to not want the matter touched upon.

narrowphoenix
03-18-2012, 11:21 AM
I really hate that guy......(obama)

Domalais
03-18-2012, 11:22 AM
Also, I'm honestly not sure about this EO, even after multiple reads and research. Almost identical EO's have been enacted many times since the Defense Production Act of 1950 was established, and that act is what actually gives the president the power shown in this thread.

My crystal ball says that your post will continue to be ignored. Examining the history and precedent on a subject is far less exciting than testosterone-induced fantasies about false flag attacks and concentration camps.

FrankRep
03-18-2012, 11:24 AM
Didn't see this posted. Admin, plz put in another category if you see fit. This pretty much says the gov can do anything to whatever whenever wherever however to whomever whether anyone likes it or not.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness


[mod edit] more here:
http://www.examiner.com/finance-examiner-in-national/president-obama-signs-executive-order-allowing-for-control-over-all-us-resources

Just remember, this is all just one big conspiracy theory.

Peace&Freedom
03-18-2012, 11:26 AM
"The law is two lines, above my signature." Saddam Hussein's famous summary of dictatorial rule, is our new constitution.

Hitman83
03-18-2012, 11:33 AM
How come we haven't heard about this in the News? Why hasn't the other GOP Candicates talked about it? Hell, why hasn't Dr. Paul mentioned this???

Correct me if I'm wrong. From the sources I've been reading through and finding out the history of this, I may have been misled. The main source was a link from Drudge to HotAir, so that makes me a little nervous. But here goes:

We haven't heard much about this because it doesn't really change anything. It updated the secretaries' roles basically. Ron Paul probably understands that this EO already existed in the bulk of it's form. All Obama did was update some things that changed, like FEMA is now under DHS, etc.

EO 12919 - hxxp://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/pdf/12919.pdf
(I don't know the rules about putting in links...I tried to mimic what I've seen others do)

Does that make this any less infuriating that an EO already existed like this? HELL NO! But it did already exist. It needs to be removed because of all the fears that we all have seen on all these pages of this thread. It should not be taken lightly just because it is already in effect.

How do we reverse stuff like this? What are the limitations on EOs and how are they challenged? How the F*** do we take our country back? It seems like folks aren't waking up fast enough to slow or stop this BS.


Also, I'm honestly not sure about this EO, even after multiple reads and research. Almost identical EO's have been enacted many times since the Defense Production Act of 1950 was established, and that act is what actually gives the president the power shown in this thread.
That's what I'm seeing, yes.

pcosmar
03-18-2012, 11:37 AM
My crystal ball says that your post will continue to be ignored. Examining the history and precedent on a subject is far less exciting than testosterone-induced fantasies about false flag attacks and concentration camps.

It has not been ignored. In fact more information was posted dealing with past administrations and congress.

This has been ONGOING. It has been incremental but steadily growing.
And it has been largely ignored,, chiefly due to attitudes like yours.

and just what "fantasy about false flag attacks and concentration camps." are you referring?

False Flag attacks are common and have been used as a tactic over and over again. as are camps for dissidents.

Mini-Me
03-18-2012, 11:40 AM
My crystal ball says that your post will continue to be ignored. Examining the history and precedent on a subject is far less exciting than testosterone-induced fantasies about false flag attacks and concentration camps.

Excuse me? It's IRRELEVANT whether most of these powers have already existed. That doesn't make them any less extreme or dangerous, nor does it mean this isn't a good time to finally draw attention to them. Moreover, most people were totally unaware of them. That includes many here, so just imagine how oblivious the rest of the American public is about them. The same goes for government agents: Reaffirming and expanding these powers can also be a way of refreshing and priming subordinates in preparation of actually using them...which means this very much IS a good time to draw attention to them. If Obama thinks these powers deserve some new attention, maybe we should take heed.

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
03-18-2012, 11:44 AM
I wonder how many of the neocons out there honestly believe that a President Romney, Gingrich or Santorum would gladly give up this new found power should it fall to them.

pcosmar
03-18-2012, 11:45 AM
Excuse me? It's IRRELEVANT whether most of these powers have already existed. That doesn't make them any less extreme or dangerous, nor does it mean this isn't a good time to finally draw attention to them. Moreover, most people were totally unaware of them. That includes many here, so just imagine how oblivious the rest of the American public is about them. The same goes for government agents: Reaffirming and expanding these powers can also be a way of refreshing and priming subordinates in preparation of actually using them...which means this very much IS a good time to draw attention to them. If Obama thinks these powers deserve some new attention, maybe we should take heed.

That is a valid concern.

pcosmar
03-18-2012, 11:47 AM
I wonder how many of the neocons out there honestly believe that a President Romney, Gingrich or Santorum would gladly give up this new found power should it fall to them.

Every administration has expanded on them. And made them worse.. and used some of them.

I am old enough to remember when FEMA did not exist.
And I have observed it in action.

ZENemy
03-18-2012, 12:17 PM
Twitter is really starting to fire up over this. Sat morning there was about 10 tweets per hour, now there is maybe 20 a minute.

libertylastchance
03-18-2012, 12:39 PM
great breakdown:
http://www.404systemerror.com/usa-communism-national-defense-resources-preparedness/

Executive Orders created for national defense and national preparedness are not new in American history, but in each instance they brought about a Constitutional crisis that nearly led standing Presidents to hold dictatorial power over the citizenry. During the Civil War, President Lincoln halted freedom of speech and freedom of the press, while at the same time revoking Habeas Corpus and the right to a fair trial under the sixth amendment. During World War I, when Congress refused to grant Woodrow Wilson extended power over resources to help the war effort, he invoked an Executive Order which allowed him complete control over businesses, industry, transportation, food, and other economic policies.

In both cases, it was only after the death of each President that full Constitutional powers were restored to the citizens of the United States.

Read more in the article

bolil
03-18-2012, 12:44 PM
(1) the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer;

(2) the Secretary of Energy with respect to all forms of energy;

(3) the Secretary of Health and Human Services with respect to health resources;

(4) the Secretary of Transportation with respect to all forms of civil transportation;

(5) the Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources; and

(6) the Secretary of Commerce with respect to all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials.


Welcome to the ministry gents...

ZENemy
03-18-2012, 01:09 PM
He sure could use this to STOP any impeachment proceedings.

Miss Annie
03-18-2012, 01:20 PM
He sure could use this to STOP any impeachment proceedings.

Is this true? I have been watching that bill sitting in congress that was filed on Mar 7 in regards to impeachment. No legs.

Xhin
03-18-2012, 01:58 PM
No, it means, "Holy crap, we've had 18 years to warn people about this crazy shit, and we've squandered it?!?" The fact that they're reaffirming totalitarian power and expanding upon it at this time is ominous. Taken all the way, it enables an overnight fascist or Communist transformation of the entire country.

Yeah, that's actually a very good point. I mean, we weren't aware of the severe limits to the first amendment until a couple words were changed and Amash pointed it out. We weren't aware of the international treaty called ACTA until years after it had already gone into law and the whole SOPA fiasco started. While we were aware of the patriot act, we weren't aware of the full depths that the gov't would go to to strip of us our rights in the name of counter-terrorism (NDAA, TSA, EEA, etc).

This stuff's been going on for YEARS but people are just waking up now because of how blatant it's become.



And yes, we can expect many online marketing agents hired by the dems to run around from site to site saying this is nothing.

Oh, now that's just parano--"[Cass Sunstein (admin of the office of information in regulatory affairs in the obama administration) and Adrian Vermeule] go on to propose that, "the best response consists in cognitive infiltration of extremist groups",[26] where they suggest, among other tactics, "Government agents (and their allies) might enter chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts about their factual premises, causal logic or implications for political action"


Moreover, most people were totally unaware of them.

Well, most people are aware that the government took control of production and food allocation during WWII. They just aren't sure why, and they sure as hell aren't aware that congress passed a law a few years AFTER WWII giving the president more power in case that happens again.

What troubles me, of course, is precedent.

** We have an Iran crisis on our hands, which a lot of commentators are likening to the start of another world war, *unlike* how it was with Iraq or Afghanistan (both of which sucked, but not on the same scale).

** We have a government that's been quickly trying to strip us of our rights since, say, november, and done it in a fashion so blatant that *ordinary people* have taken notice.

** Since the Ron Paul campaign started up last summer, we've seen ridiculously blatant media bias, and this was back when he was actually winning polls. Obviously, not everyone caught that, but more people than usual did (especially once jon stewart started going on about it).

And so, while the Iran crisis has been getting worse and worse, the president reaffirms an executive order that says how his administration should handle itself in the case of another world war. There is zero media coverage of this.


Executive Orders created for national defense and national preparedness are not new in American history, but in each instance they brought about a Constitutional crisis that nearly led standing Presidents to hold dictatorial power over the citizenry.

Actually, no they didn't. Recheck your source. *using* them certainly had an adverse effect on the country, however.

frodus24
03-18-2012, 02:15 PM
I always remember in the X-Files movie Fight the Future where Mulder and Alvin Kurtzweil are chatting and Dr. Kurtzweil talks about FEMA being the secret police.

I sorta knew that this power existed, but had forgotten about it. All day my stomach has been in knots. I do not have internet or a computer at home so I stopped by my office to get on here. ALL DAY I knew something wasn't right and of course when I get on this sight I see something else that the king has signed. I feel that 9/11 set the precedent for the Patriot Act and all of these laws that have been signed recently.

The s**t is gonna hit the fan soon. We can't protest and if we do there is the possibility of detainment. Could there be a bank holiday coming soon? Hell, the majority of people have direct deposit. It's too costly to issue paper checks. Of the two jobs that I have, direct deposit is mandatory.

What are we suppose to do? I agree with most that in the past 6 months, laws are being signed at an alarming rate of speed. The majority of folks don't care as they are strapped to their sofas having a love fest with Hollywood, sports and Snooki's f**king pregnancy. Something has to give to wake up the masses. There are what, over 200 million folks in America? Now, I must go and vomit!

jonhowe
03-18-2012, 03:13 PM
Anyone have a list of all the nasty crap like this Obama has pulled? NDAA, etc?

pcosmar
03-18-2012, 03:17 PM
Anyone have a list of all the nasty crap like this Obama has pulled? NDAA, etc?

It stacks neatly on top of the nasty stuff Bush did (DHS, TSA, *Patriot Act) which stacks on stuff Clinton did, which stacks on top,,, and on , and on

* originally written by Joe Biden

Tyler_Durden
03-18-2012, 05:17 PM
Hotair and WND are trying to soften the blow. "Nothing to see here folks. Business as usual."

http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/executive-order-panic-martial-law-in-america/

Xhin
03-18-2012, 06:32 PM
Damn right the timing "looks a little strange":

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/brent-126-israel-cabinet-votes-8-6-attack-iran

Lishy
03-18-2012, 08:15 PM
Can someone highlight the exact lines of the bill we should be worried about?

Kylie
03-18-2012, 08:17 PM
Can someone highlight the exact lines of the bill we should be worried about?


Pardon my french dear, but it's the whole fucking thing.

There is no special part that you should worry about. This decree takes over EVERYTHING.....in the event of an "emergency".

TheTexan
03-18-2012, 08:25 PM
I'd bet someone a dollar that Obama didn't even read it. He just instructed his minions that he wanted control over 'everything', they drafted it, and he said 'this is everything right?', and then signed it.

jmdrake
03-18-2012, 08:30 PM
And some wonder why some of us "nuts" are a bit concerned.

Here's what's sad. I've gotten to the point where I'm just numb now. I see things happen, I know I should be concerned. But I look at my fellow Americans, how their eyes glass over when we kill Americans without trial, molest airline passengers and attack and threaten countries that haven't bothered us all because of the 9/11 myth and I feel more and more like the donkey from Animal Farm. Donkey's live a long time.....hopefully. :(

TheTexan
03-18-2012, 08:34 PM
Here's what's sad. I've gotten to the point where I'm just numb now. I see things happen, I know I should be concerned. But I look at my fellow Americans, how their eyes glass over when we kill Americans without trial, molest airline passengers and attack and threaten countries that haven't bothered us all because of the 9/11 myth and I feel more and more like the donkey from Animal Farm. Donkey's live a long time.....hopefully. :(

Time to leave the farm. Secession.

fj45lvr
03-18-2012, 09:00 PM
this has been around since roosevelt's time (they essentially set-aside the constitution with these "emergency powers").....here is a pretty good look at it:
http://blip.tv/the-larry-parks-show/monetary-endgame-martial-law-5334039

jmdrake
03-18-2012, 09:04 PM
Time to leave the farm. Secession.

Not an option. The state I live in voted for Santorum. Things are never so bad that they can't get worse.

foti0622
03-18-2012, 09:05 PM
this is bullsh__ there is no more freedom

Marenco
03-18-2012, 10:58 PM
It's amazing how this guy Obama is not in jail yet or at least impeached by now. He makes Richard Nixon look like a Girl Scout by comparison.

Philosophy_of_Politics
03-19-2012, 12:39 AM
It's amazing how this guy Obama is not in jail yet or at least impeached by now. He makes Richard Nixon look like a Girl Scout by comparison.

Why would a Bipartisan effort in order to establish power, ever want to Impeach a key figure in that rise?

idiom
03-19-2012, 01:03 AM
The majority of folks don't care as they are strapped to their sofas having a love fest with Hollywood, sports and Snooki's f**king pregnancy.

Oh, for a second there I had thought Snooki got pregnant via a Turkey Baster.

Lishy
03-19-2012, 01:53 AM
Pardon my french dear, but it's the whole fucking thing.

There is no special part that you should worry about. This decree takes over EVERYTHING.....in the event of an "emergency".

Can you highlight pieces of interest in the bill for those who cannot read the whole thing, pleeease?

Kluge
03-19-2012, 04:27 AM
great breakdown:
http://www.404systemerror.com/usa-communism-national-defense-resources-preparedness/

Executive Orders created for national defense and national preparedness are not new in American history, but in each instance they brought about a Constitutional crisis that nearly led standing Presidents to hold dictatorial power over the citizenry. During the Civil War, President Lincoln halted freedom of speech and freedom of the press, while at the same time revoking Habeas Corpus and the right to a fair trial under the sixth amendment. During World War I, when Congress refused to grant Woodrow Wilson extended power over resources to help the war effort, he invoked an Executive Order which allowed him complete control over businesses, industry, transportation, food, and other economic policies.

In both cases, it was only after the death of each President that full Constitutional powers were restored to the citizens of the United States.

Read more in the article

Didn't Obama make some big "to-do" during his inauguration about following in Lincoln's footsteps? I think he actually re-traced his path from Illinois to the White House or some crazy bullshit. People ate it up because he's almost entirely remembered and admired for freeing the slaves (even if that wasn't his true intent), and Obama's half-black, though he doesn't have any American slave ancestors as far as I know.

Theater of the absurd.

A Son of Liberty
03-19-2012, 04:51 AM
We need a paradigm shift.

giovannile07
03-19-2012, 05:03 AM
This reminds me of Star Wars. Chancellor Palpatine calling for wartime emergency powers to override voting and he got it then he secretly took over the Republic...

Noblegeorge
03-19-2012, 10:41 AM
Get ready for war. Theres no other logical or reasonable explanation for this, the NDAA and HR 347 all being passed in quick succession. Surely even the most ardent Obama supporter cannot defend the passing these Acts. Or do they even know? Im going to find a pro Obama forum today and debate with some people there.

ZENemy
03-19-2012, 10:57 AM
Get ready for war. Theres no other logical or reasonable explanation for this, the NDAA and HR 347 all being passed in quick succession. Surely even the most ardent Obama supporter cannot defend the passing these Acts. Or do they even know? Im going to find a pro Obama forum today and debate with some people there.

I kid you not

I was informing an "Obama Supporter" about these 3 atrocities, she is a black lady in her mid 40's...anyway, I start to tell her about the bills and
she quickly says "well he is better then bush"
I say, "well not really but these 3 things are what bother me" I then pulled them up on the internet, showed her the legit source and
she immediately started crying and said "he just needs more time, why do white people expect him to fix things right away"
so again, I say "Look, what do you mean time, this says he can arrest you, kill you and has already done so"

She started crying even harder and went into the bathroom and told me never to talk her again.

ClydeCoulter
03-19-2012, 10:59 AM
Get ready for war. Theres no other logical or reasonable explanation for this, the NDAA and HR 347 all being passed in quick succession. Surely even the most ardent Obama supporter cannot defend the passing these Acts. Or do they even know? Im going to find a pro Obama forum today and debate with some people there.

Will you start a new thread and post your findings after debating the Obama supporters?

Lord Xar
03-19-2012, 10:59 AM
Does this have any meat to it?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ndrp.asp#BLA20BImOt3yCb1m.01

Seraphim
03-19-2012, 11:00 AM
Pathetic.


I kid you not

I was informing an "Obama Supporter" about these 3 atrocities, she is a black lady in her mid 40's...anyway, I start to tell her about the bills and
she quickly says "well he is better then bush"
I say, "well not really but these 3 things are what bother me" I then pulled them up on the internet, showed her the legit source and
she immediately started crying and said "he just needs more time, why do white people expect him to fix things right away"
so again, I say "Look, what do you mean time, this says he can arrest you, kill you and has already done so"

She started crying even harder and went into the bathroom and told me never to talk her again.

ClydeCoulter
03-19-2012, 11:24 AM
I kid you not

I was informing an "Obama Supporter" about these 3 atrocities, she is a black lady in her mid 40's...anyway, I start to tell her about the bills and
she quickly says "well he is better then bush"
I say, "well not really but these 3 things are what bother me" I then pulled them up on the internet, showed her the legit source and
she immediately started crying and said "he just needs more time, why do white people expect him to fix things right away"
so again, I say "Look, what do you mean time, this says he can arrest you, kill you and has already done so"

She started crying even harder and went into the bathroom and told me never to talk her again.

This is not unlike a video I saw here before, where they tested the electronic voting machines and when it was demonstrated that the votes could easily be flipped with a single card placed in the machines slot that gathered the votes, the woman at the end started crying.....she saw that the corruption of our republic was not only possible, but probable, and her world view was shattered.

Noblegeorge
03-19-2012, 11:41 AM
Will you start a new thread and post your findings after debating the Obama supporters?

I would, but ive been looking around for the last 20 mins and I cant find a single pro Obama forum with more than a couple people on it! I found two professional looking forums, but theres no action to be found on either.

Funnily enough the most recent thread was Ron Paul v Obama, where the OP descibed the many ways Obama had let him down since voting for him in 08 and how we now a Ron Paul supporter. Thread had zero responses. OP definifetly sounded like a fellow RPF member!

Anyway, il keep trying and if I do get any kind of debate going I will post their responses.

Voluntary Man
03-21-2012, 11:01 AM
It says war emergency. WTH does that even mean though? What is an emergency? Will they cause the emergency? These orders do frighten me. We still have our guns.

Any threat to the continued growth and power of the federal government: political protests, liberty candidates, voting for liberty candidates, 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, 4th Amendment, 5th Amendment, 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment....stuff like that.

shane77m
03-22-2012, 06:13 AM
Ya ever feel like yer stuck in a car with a bunch of drunken a-holes, and you keep asking them to pull over because you're not drunk, and you don't feel like speeding through town throwing beer bottles at people and property, and running up on curbs, and shouting at old women, and you just want to get out, but they won't pull over and let you out??

I'm so freaking sick of this crap.

Pretty much describes how I feel. Except now it looks like the driver is running over people.

Kade
03-22-2012, 06:50 AM
Most of it, if you read it, is fairly basic stuff regarding wartime powers to the executive. However, I am fairly concerned about this little piece:

"National defense" means programs for military and energy production or construction, military or critical infrastructure assistance to any foreign nation, homeland security, stockpiling, space, and any directly related activity. Such term includes emergency preparedness activities conducted pursuant to title VI of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. 5195 et seq., and critical infrastructure protection and restoration.

Here is where the previously mentioned bindings on authorization are thrown out the window, by redefining national defense. The standards invoked specifically is found here:

http://www.fema.gov/pdf/about/stafford_act.pdf

Yeah... FEMA. No good.

Todd
04-02-2012, 09:10 AM
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