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John F Kennedy III
03-13-2012, 10:10 AM
Broken Promises: Pensions All Over America Are Being Savagely Cut Or Are Vanishing Completely

The Economic Collapse
Tuesday, March 13, 2012

How would you feel if you worked for a state or local government for 20 or 30 years only to have your pension slashed dramatically or taken away entirely? Well, this exact scenario is playing out from coast to coast and in the years ahead millions of elderly Americans are going to be affected by broken promises and vanishing pensions.

In the old days, things were much different. You would get hired by a big company or a government institution and you knew that the retirement benefits that they were promising you would be there when you retired in a few decades. Unfortunately, we have now arrived at a time when government institutions and big companies have promised far more than they are able to deliver, and “pension reform” has become one of the hot button issues all over the nation. Many Americans that have been basing their financial futures on their pensions are waking up one day and finding that their pensions are either gone or have been cut back dramatically. According to Northwestern University Professor John Rauh, the latest estimate of the total amount of unfunded pension and healthcare obligations for state and local governments across the United States is 4.4 trillion dollars. America is continually becoming a poorer nation and all of that money is simply not going to magically materialize somehow. So where is that 4.4 trillion dollars going to come from? Well, either pension benefits are going to have to be cut a lot more all over America or taxes will need to be raised dramatically. Either way, we are all going to feel the pain of these broken promises.

There simply is not enough money out there to keep all of the pension commitments that have been made. Something has got to give. In the end, millions of elderly Americans will likely be plunged into poverty as pensions disappear.

Some local governments around the nation are already declaring bankruptcy and are either eliminating pensions or are cutting them very deeply. Just check out what just happened in Central Falls, Rhode Island….


For years, city officials promised robust union contracts and pensions without raising revenue to pay for them. Last August, the math caught up with them. Central Falls was broke, its pension fund short $46 million. It declared bankruptcy.

“My daughters grew up here, went to school here. It’s all gone,” said Mike Geoffroy, a retired firefighter.

He said he could not make the payments on his house after his pension was cut by $1,100 a month.

When will the math catch up with the city where you are living?

For years and years most of our state and local politicians have been ignoring this problem. But eventually a day comes when you simply cannot ignore it any longer.

Check out what Pensacola Mayor Ashton Hayward said about the situation in his city recently….


“When our annual pension liability is more than our yearly property tax revenues, we have to do something”

Keep in mind that taxpayers don’t get any new services for money spent on pensions. It is money that goes straight into the pockets of retired workers. State and local governments are desperately trying to pay retired workers what they are owed and fund ongoing government functions at the same time, but many have reached the breaking point.

All over the country, state and local governments are going broke. The following is from a recent article by Duff McDonald….


Alabama’s Jefferson County has actually gone bankrupt. Stockton, California is all but ready to do the same. And all you have to do is look to Detroit—or any of the nearby auto towns named after a Buick model of one sort or another—and you see fiscal crisis playing out right now. Look in your own backyard—or at the potholes on your neighborhood roads—and you will likely find the same.

Things are so bad in Stockton, California that they are actually skipping debt payments….


The city of 290,000 that rode the wave of the housing boom in the late 1990s and early 2000s now finds itself littered with foreclosed homes, saddled with pension, health care and other obligations it can’t afford, and unable to pay its bills.

The City Council voted last month to suspend $2 million in bond payments and begin negotiations with bond holders, creditors and unions.

And did you notice what is being blamed for the financial problems in Stockton?

Pension and healthcare benefits.

Sadly, we are seeing pension nightmares erupt all over the nation right now.

For example, check out what is happening to the Public School Employees’ Retirement System and State Employees’ Retirement System in Pennsylvania….


PSERS had an accrued unfunded liability of nearly $26.5 billion, the amount of money the fund is short to cover existing retirement benefits. That hole is expected to grow to $43 billion by 2019. SERS is $12.5 billion in the red, and that shortfall is expected to climb to nearly $18 billion by 2018. Unless the stock market makes giant sustained gains, taxpayers will have to refill those funds.

That doesn’t sound good at all.

In California, the Orange County Employees Retirement System is estimated to have a 10 billion dollar unfunded pension liability.

How in the world can a single county be facing a 10 billion dollar hole?

This is madness.

The state of Illinois is facing an unfunded pension liability of more than 77 billion dollars. Considering the fact that the state of Illinois is flat broke and on the verge of default, it is inevitable that a lot of those pension obligations will never be paid.

In fact, there are going to be a whole lot of broken promises all over the country.

Pension consultant Girard Miller told California’s Little Hoover Commission that state and local government bodies in the state of California have $325 billion in combined unfunded pension liabilities.

That comes to about $22,000 for every single working adult in the state of California.

So where is all of that money going to come from?

But at least most state and local government employees are still covered by pension plans, even if they are failing.

In the private sector, pension plans are vanishing at lightning speed.

According to the Boston College Center for Retirement Research, the percentage of workers in America covered by a traditional pension plan fell from 62 percent in 1983 to 17 percent in 2007.

That isn’t just a trend.

That is a tidal wave.

And many of the private pension plans that still exist are massively underfunded. For example, Verizon’s pension plan is underfunded by 3.4 billion dollars.

So what should Americans do in light of all this?

Well, the number one thing to realize is that the pension plan you have been counting on could disappear at any time.

We live in an economic environment that is extremely unstable, and about the only thing you can count on in this environment is rapid and dramatic change.

Do not plan your financial future around a pension plan. If you do, you are likely to be bitterly disappointed.

Americans that plan to retire in the coming years should do their best to try to fund their own retirements.

Unfortunately, most Americans are not putting away much of anything for retirement. As I have written about previously, one study found that American workers are $6.6 trillion short of what they need to retire comfortably.

Ouch.

Over the next 20 years approximately 10,000 Baby Boomers will be retiring every single day.

A lot of them are going to be blindsided by empty pension funds and broken promises.

We are facing a retirement crisis of unprecedented magnitude, and there is not much hope in sight.

And if there is a maor stock market crash, things are going to be much, much worse.

Most pension funds and retirement plans are heavily invested in the stock market. If we were to see a major financial crisis like we saw back in 2008 it would be absolutely devastating. Millions of Americans could see their retirement plans wiped out in short order.

Once again, please do not place your faith in the system.

If you do, you are likely to end up holding a bag of broken promises.

A gigantic tsunami of unfunded pension obligations is coming. A lot of state and local governments are going to go broke. A lot of promises are going to be broken.

If you hope to retire any time soon, you better plan on being able to take care of yourself.


article here:
http://www.infowars.com/broken-promises-pensions-all-over-america-are-being-savagely-cut-or-are-vanishing-completely/

originally here:
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/broken-promises-pensions-all-over-america-are-being-savagely-cut-or-are-vanishing-completely

oyarde
03-13-2012, 10:22 AM
Unfunded Public pensions in states/ cities operating at a deficit are and have been toast , gone , anyone counting on that in California , Illinois etc is sadly mistaken.

TheTexan
03-13-2012, 10:27 AM
All over the country, state and local governments are going broke.

Local gov broke? Check.

State gov broke? Check.

Federal gov broke? Coming soon to a theater near you.

roho76
03-13-2012, 10:33 AM
Depending on an employer to take care of you for the rest of your life is not smart.

Anti Federalist
03-13-2012, 10:46 AM
Depending on an employer to take care of you for the rest of your life is not smart.

Yup, couldn't agree more.

The article does a good job of emphasizing that as well:


Once again, please do not place your faith in the system.

If you do, you are likely to end up holding a bag of broken promises.

A gigantic tsunami of unfunded pension obligations is coming. A lot of state and local governments are going to go broke. A lot of promises are going to be broken.

If you hope to retire any time soon, you better plan on being able to take care of yourself.

Feeding the Abscess
03-13-2012, 11:00 AM
Depending on an employer to take care of you for the rest of your life is not smart.

I don't resent anyone taking Social Security or any other retirements plans they can get - they don't have a choice. The way savings are completely eaten away should be criminal, and there should be thousands imprisoned for their theft.

rockerrockstar
03-13-2012, 11:14 AM
What you guys are forgetting is people pay into these pensions and take less pay per year because of the pensions. The people are being screwed by poor money management of the companies, local governments, and states. I will not get a pension most companies now days don't have them for the workers. You may get 401K matching if you are lucky.

For many Social Security is the only way to save for retirement with the bad economy and unpredictable bubbles. But of course with our out of control spending of the Federal gov that may be in trouble too. I did some retirement planning with a calculator found on the net and found that it is near impossible to save enough for retirement without Social Security. We better all hope to win the lottery or hope Social Security still exists.

The people that pay in to SS all their working lives deserve it. People that get it without working many years probably are the ones that should not get it. Some people that get it on disability are the ones that should be judged if they really deserve it. For instance If your too fat to work go on a diet quit getting free SS checks.

gerryb
03-13-2012, 11:36 AM
I did some retirement planning with a calculator found on the net and found that it is near impossible to save enough for retirement without Social Security.

What do the numbers look like if you were able to invest the 15% that SS takes from you, and invest it yourself, instead of relying on those corrupt money managers?

I'd rather go to the casino with that 15% of my wage than let the gov't "invest" it.

oyarde
03-13-2012, 11:43 AM
What do the numbers look like if you were able to invest the 15% that SS takes from you, and invest it yourself, instead of relying on those corrupt money managers?

I'd rather go to the casino with that 15% of my wage than let the gov't "invest" it. Yeah , ;) , I will put half on black !

AcousticFoodie
03-13-2012, 02:22 PM
"at least most state and local government employees are still covered by pension plans, even if they are failing.

In the private sector, pension plans are vanishing at lightning speed."

This is the key statement. Private sectors must plan ahead to avoid bankruptcy, whereas governments do not - just plan ahead to get votes despite long term consequences

specsaregood
03-13-2012, 02:33 PM
Local gov broke? Check.
State gov broke? Check.
Federal gov broke? Coming soon to a theater near you.

Incorrect. The federal govt won't go broke, ever.

Agorism
03-13-2012, 02:40 PM
Unions hold the management hostage to give unreasonable pensions basically.

Then TSHTF a few years later. Occurs everytime.

eduardo89
03-13-2012, 02:45 PM
Incorrect. The federal govt won't go broke, ever.

They can just print the money.

The Free Hornet
03-13-2012, 02:53 PM
How would you feel if you worked for a state or local government for 20 or 30 years only to have your pension slashed dramatically or taken away entirely?

I would feel as if I got what was coming to me. The same is true of social security and mediscare. Instead of checks, we should mail out lists of names, addresses, telephone numbers, pictures, and last known locations of the people who spent the trust funds, ran deficits, inflated the currency, or made congressional spending obligations that exceed the length of their elected term.

For good measure, we should include blank police reports so people who feel wronged can fill out a complaint that their money was stolen. Because it was.

specsaregood
03-13-2012, 03:09 PM
They can just print the money.
Exactly, all debts are owed in printable paper money or digital bits.

madengr
03-13-2012, 08:38 PM
The people that pay in to SS all their working lives deserve it. People that get it without working many years probably are the ones that should not get it. Some people that get it on disability are the ones that should be judged if they really deserve it. For instance If your too fat to work go on a diet quit getting free SS checks.

I have gotten into arguments when I advocate cutting social security payments. Yes, people paid into it, but it was also stolen on their watch with their advocacy for government spending. It's like a criminal (the government) robbing you and spending it on hookers and blow; your money is gone, never to be recovered. Then you rob someone else (the younger generation using force of government) to regain your loss.

TheTexan
03-13-2012, 08:43 PM
Incorrect. The federal govt won't go broke, ever.

Incorrect. They already are broke!

Hyperinflation in T minus 100...

seraphson
03-13-2012, 09:09 PM
Unions hold the management hostage to give unreasonable pensions basically.

Then TSHTF a few years later. Occurs everytime.

This.
Having inside and round-about knowledge the state benefits (at least where I am) were, in short, stupid good.
Too good.
Example. Guy across the street; I believe a retired firefighter, 20 years in the state, done, retired in 40s, has been collecting worry free for almost as long as I've been alive, nearly as long as he's worked. And I mean really worry free. The math doesn't add up. Of course the state is gonna go insolvent with such ludicrous setups.

helmuth_hubener
03-13-2012, 09:31 PM
Broken Promises: Pensions All Over America Are Being Savagely Cut Or Are Vanishing Completely Good. (I'm speaking of gov't pensions.) They should immediately stop robbing me to keep promises to thee.


The people that pay in to SS all their working lives deserve it. Nope. They deserve a good kick in the rear for saying so, though. My money = Mine. Things fogeys deserve = NOT my money.

oyarde
03-13-2012, 10:48 PM
What you guys are forgetting is people pay into these pensions and take less pay per year because of the pensions. The people are being screwed by poor money management of the companies, local governments, and states. I will not get a pension most companies now days don't have them for the workers. You may get 401K matching if you are lucky.

For many Social Security is the only way to save for retirement with the bad economy and unpredictable bubbles. But of course with our out of control spending of the Federal gov that may be in trouble too. I did some retirement planning with a calculator found on the net and found that it is near impossible to save enough for retirement without Social Security. We better all hope to win the lottery or hope Social Security still exists.

The people that pay in to SS all their working lives deserve it. People that get it without working many years probably are the ones that should not get it. Some people that get it on disability are the ones that should be judged if they really deserve it. For instance If your too fat to work go on a diet quit getting free SS checks. I am forgetting nothing , bottom line is this , you work for a city that is broke , did not put your money away , yeah , sure , ask back for what you paid in , but realize all along you are being stolen from.