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John F Kennedy III
03-11-2012, 01:34 PM
Will A Sitting President Finally Be Held Accountable For High Crimes and Misdemeanors?

Impeachment proceedings begin in the House and the Senate over Obama’s brazen use of aggressive military force without congressional authority.

Eric Blair
Infowars.com
March 11, 2012

Since 2005, Veterans for Peace and others have been calling for the impeachment of the sitting president for war crimes. After their demands to lawmakers to uphold the rule of law against Bush were largely ignored, they renewed their effort to impeach Obama once he continued to bomb sovereign nations without congressional approval. Now, lawmakers seem to have finally decided to take the rule of law and Separation of Powers seriously.

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Obama will face impeachment over his failure to seek congressional authorization before launching offensive military action in Libya last year. Official impeachment proceedings have now been filed in both the House and Senate.

Last week, North Carolina Representative Walter Jones filed an Impeachment Resolution in the House H.CON.RES.107.IH stating “Expressing the sense of Congress that the use of offensive military force by a President without prior and clear authorization of an Act of Congress constitutes an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor under article II, section 4 of the Constitution.”



“Whereas the cornerstone of the Republic is honoring Congress’s exclusive power to declare war under article I, section 8, clause 11 of the Constitution:

Now, therefore, be it Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That it is the sense of Congress that, except in response to an actual or imminent attack against the territory of the United States, the use of offensive military force by a President without prior and clear authorization of an Act of Congress violates Congress’s exclusive power to declare war under article I, section 8, clause 11 of the Constitution and therefore constitutes an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor under article II, section 4 of the Constitution.”

President Barack Obama becomes only the third sitting president to face impeachment following Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. Johnson was impeached for illegally dismissing an office holder without the Senate’s approval, and Clinton for perjury and obstruction of justice. Both were acquitted by the Senate.

Significantly, President Obama faces much more serious charges than his impeached predecessors and it’s still unclear what legal defense he will use to diffuse the charges as the legal basis for his unilateral action has been inconsistent and vague from the beginning of the Libya assault.

Prior to military operations in Libya, the Justice Department advised the Administration on the legality of using unauthorized force in Libya in a 14-page memo titled Authority to Use Military Force in Libya, which states vaguely:


We conclude…that the use of military force in Libya was supported by sufficiently important national interests to fall within the President’s constitutional power. At the same time, turning to the second element of the analysis, we do not believe that anticipated United States operations in Libya amounted to “war” in the constitutional sense necessitating congressional approval under the Declaration of War clause.

The memo goes on explain why the alleged situation on the ground in Libya was in U.S.’s national interest, cites previous times when the U.S. military was deployed without congressional approval and claims the mission was an international support mission with no deployed ground troops to justify their conclusion.

However, in no way were national interests under an “imminent” threat by hostilities in Libya as required by the War Powers Act, and supporting an international mission is irrelevant to the Act. Furthermore, Obama has maintained the legal defense that American involvement fell short of full-blown hostilities even after hostilities exceeded the 90-day limit of unauthorized use of force afforded under the War Powers Act.

The New York Times quotes directly from the 38-page report Obama sent to concerned lawmakers after the 90-day deadline “U.S. operations do not involve sustained fighting or active exchanges of fire with hostile forces, nor do they involve U.S. ground troops.”

Therefore, the Administration claims it wasn’t a real military conflict that Congress should concern itself with. However, at the same time, the White House acknowledged that the cost to U.S. taxpayers was well over $1 billion for these non-hostile military activities.

Coincidentally, on the same day the impeachment resolution was filed, Obama’s Defense Secretary Leon Panetta acknowledged that the Libya War did indeed constituted military combat, but claimed the legal basis for spending U.S. tax dollars on war rested in “international permission”:

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69360
03-12-2012, 10:05 AM
This is a sense of congress resolution. Not an impeachment. It has no force in law.

angelatc
03-12-2012, 10:11 AM
This is a sense of congress resolution. Not an impeachment. It has no force in law.

It's an attempt to force an impeachment proceeding if Obama decides to go into Syria, and a response to Panetta's remarks that the executive branch would get international approval before proceeding.

69360
03-12-2012, 10:22 AM
It's an attempt to force an impeachment proceeding if Obama decides to go into Syria, and a response to Panetta's remarks that the executive branch would get international approval before proceeding.

Not really. A sense of congress motion is just a way for a member or members of congress to express their opinion. It has nothing to do with impeachment proceedings.

Don't get me wrong here, I like Walter Jones and he does lots of good. But infowars is misrepresenting and sensationalizing what occurred.

DisabledVet
03-12-2012, 10:35 AM
OK then lets bring it to the next level....

LINK TO STORY (http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/obama-impeachment-bill-now-in-congress/?cat_orig=us)

Obama impeachment bill now in Congress


Let the president be duly warned.

Rep. Walter B. Jones Jr., R-N.C., has introduced a resolution declaring that should the president use offensive military force without authorization of an act of Congress, “it is the sense of Congress” that such an act would be “an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor.”
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Specifically, Article I, Section 8, of the Constitution reserves for Congress alone the power to declare war, a restriction that has been sorely tested in recent years, including Obama’s authorization of military force in Libya.

In an exclusive WND column, former U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo claims that Jones introduced his House Concurrent Resolution 107 in response to startling recent comments from Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta.

“This week it was Secretary of Defense Panetta’s declaration before the Senate Armed Services Committee that he and President Obama look not to the Congress for authorization to bomb Syria but to NATO and the United Nations,” Tancredo writes. “This led to Rep. Walter Jones, R-N.C., introducing an official resolution calling for impeachment should Obama take offensive action based on Panetta’s policy statement, because it would violate the Constitution.”


In response to questions from Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., over who determines the proper and legal use of the U.S. military, Panetta said, “Our goal would be to seek international permission and we would … come to the Congress and inform you and determine how best to approach this, whether or not we would want to get permission from the Congress – I think those are issues we would have to discuss as we decide what to do here.”

“Well, I’m almost breathless about that,” Sessions responded, “because what I heard you say is, ‘We’re going to seek international approval, and then we’ll come and tell the Congress what we might do, and we might seek congressional approval.’ And I just want to say to you that’s a big [deal].”

Asked again what was the legal basis for U.S. military force, Panetta suggested a NATO coalition or U.N. resolution.

Sessions was dumbfounded by the answer.

“Well, I’m all for having international support, but I’m really baffled by the idea that somehow an international assembly provides a legal basis for the United States military to be deployed in combat,” Sessions said. “They can provide no legal authority. The only legal authority that’s required to deploy the United States military is of the Congress and the president and the law and the Constitution.”

The exchange itself can be seen below:

The full wording of H. Con. Res. 107, which is currently referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary, is as follows:

Expressing the sense of Congress that the use of offensive military force by a president without prior and clear authorization of an act of Congress constitutes an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor under Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution.

Whereas the cornerstone of the Republic is honoring Congress’s exclusive power to declare war under article I, section 8, clause 11 of the Constitution: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That it is the sense of Congress that, except in response to an actual or imminent attack against the territory of the United States, the use of offensive military force by a president without prior and clear authorization of an act of Congress violates Congress’s exclusive power to declare war under Article I, Section 8, clause 11 of the Constitution and therefore constitutes an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor under Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution.

69360
03-12-2012, 10:38 AM
OK then lets bring it to the next level....

What next level? That article references the same sense of congress resolution.

Teenager For Ron Paul
03-12-2012, 07:23 PM
http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2012/03/12/obama-impeachment-bill-introduced-congress

lol, Faux talking about the Constitution when it benefits them, but never any other time.

3kgt
03-12-2012, 07:25 PM
for the love of god stop posting infowars articles...they're pretty bad usually but this one is downright false

rpwi
03-12-2012, 07:48 PM
Who cares if this is a just a resolution...if this catches fire in the media, that could be all we need to get a real impeachment.

This would also put right-wingers in a tricky bind...they would love the idea of Obama getting impeached during an election cycle...but would force them to speak out against un-authorized wars :D

Hope this get drudged...Drudge doesn't mind linking to InfoWars (why so many are upset about a link from Infowars instead of MSM links is beyond me).

John F Kennedy III
03-12-2012, 08:44 PM
for the love of god stop posting infowars articles...they're pretty bad usually but this one is downright false

NEVER.

3kgt
03-13-2012, 02:57 AM
I don't want MSM links or InfoWars links. Anyone that uses sensationalism to get views will not get one from myself.
I want the whole truth nothing but the truth and for the love of god nothing more than the truth. Infowars is not that and I'm sorry but it is just as bad as its counterparts in the MSM.

Sorry if that isn't what you want to hear because they say lots of scary stuff about government apocalypse.
And may I point out that I was neg repped for that comment. I'm terribly sorry for expressing my opinion on a forum dedicated to freedom.
Fuck me.