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cdc482
03-11-2012, 09:34 AM
Longer than any of us has been alive, the United States' process for taking military action has involved the president and no one else. Well, technically, according to this thing called the Constitution, ONLY Congress has the power to declare war.

Why does this matter?

Historically, Congress doesn't like to declare war. Their votes are public, and they can be held accountable by the American people, who are overwhelmingly against the wars. By the president authorizing the war, Congress only votes to fund the war, which they have an easier time rationalizing away.

What can be done to change this, i.e. bring back the Constitution?

Impeachment. Every president during our lifetime has violated this part of the Constitution and can be rightfully impeached. But here's the thing about impeachment: Congress has to do it. We need someone who is willing to take a stand, file impeachment proceedings, end the wars, and make future wars that much more difficult to approve without the consent of the people.

I was extremely happy to see that FINALLY, someone has taken a stand. Two very unexpected someones: Walter Jones and...wait for it....JOE BIDEN! As you know, while the Vice President has no official power, he has a lot of influence in the Senate where impeachment proceedings would take place. This year MIGHT just be the year that the Constitution is restored and the authority to wage war is returned to the Congress. This is HUGE news. Due to this legal thing called precedent, if Walter Jones and Joe Biden are successful, we will likely never see another US war fought over lies and war propaganda.

Here's the important part: all this talk is JUST TALK. To actually get an impeachment proceeding going, we need to contact Walter Jones and let him know that we stand behind him, however unpopular he may become in DC. That the war-making of presidents has gone on long enough and we want someone to finally take a stand.

Here's what you can do:

STEP 1 Fill out Walter Jones' official contact form (CITY AS Greenville and ZIP CODE as 27858): https://jonesforms.house.gov/ContactForm/default.aspx

STEP 2 Please spread this far and wide. Here's a masterfully edited video from youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWKl5oh_Ix0&feature=player_embedded

STEP 3 Upvote on reddit, so more people can see this: http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/qrkcl/we_can_finally_end_unconstitutional_wars_please/

If you want a sample message to send, here's mine:
Walter Jones,
Longer than any of us has been alive, the United States' process for taking military action has involved the president and no one else.
We need someone who is willing to take a stand, file impeachment proceedings, end the unconstitutional wars, and make future wars that much more difficult to approve without the consent of the people. I was extremely happy to see that FINALLY, someone has taken a stand.
I want you to know that you are a hero, and you have the support of the American people behind you. It may not be a popular move in DC, but remember that Congress has a 9% approval rating. I believe you are a part of that 9%. I urge you to take a stand and file impeachment proceedings against President Obama.
This year MIGHT just be the year that the Constitution is restored and the authority to wage war is returned to the Congress.

cdc482
03-11-2012, 09:59 AM
"Let it not be said that we did nothing"

We must try. I'm convinced that this is the easiest way to end the wars. It's a lot easier to convince just one Congressman, than elect a President. PLEASE HELP

pcosmar
03-11-2012, 10:14 AM
Did you buy the Kony 2012 video too?

What makes you think Biden supports this?
Do you want President Biden?

Travlyr
03-11-2012, 10:47 AM
Joe Biden has known full well all along that America's military action around the world since WWII has been unconstitutional. He wants to be president.

cdc482
03-11-2012, 10:50 AM
WHO CARES IF BIDEN WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT?!?!!
His motives may or may not be sincere, but this would be a great precedent to set! Impeach presidents who declare war and return the authority to do so to Congress.
LETS DO IT

pcosmar
03-11-2012, 10:52 AM
WHO CARES IF BIDEN WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT?!?!!
His motives may or may not be sincere, but this would be a great precedent to set! Impeach presidents who declare war and return the authority to do so to Congress.
LETS DO IT

Ok,, do it.
but understand that Biden has absolutely no intention of going along with you..
THE VIDEO IS A FAKE. it was from him talking shit about Bush.

cdc482
03-11-2012, 10:54 AM
Ok,, do it.
but understand that Biden has absolutely no intention of going along with you..
THE VIDEO IS A FAKE. it was from him talking shit about Bush.

What makes you say that? And, even if Biden isn't behind it, we should still try to get Jones to file for impeachment proceedings.

pcosmar
03-11-2012, 10:59 AM
What makes you say that? And, even if Biden isn't behind it, we should still try to get Jones to file for impeachment proceedings.

He can,, and it will go into the "circular file" with the rest.

I see no point in trying to make a story (through false means) out of a non story.

Travlyr
03-11-2012, 11:06 AM
Leon Paneta has officially confirmed that the world government is already in charge. This is stuff a lot of us have known for a long time but we always get slammed down as NWO conspiracy theorists. It should be clear to everyone now. The international government is in charge and they have been for a very long time.

I am glad to hear Walter Jones call them out publicly. Ron Paul has been calling them out for years. We are gaining support.

Bosco Warden
03-11-2012, 11:26 AM
That's fine if some do not want to support this effort.

I am.


I don’t agree with him on everything, but this man, Representative Walter Jones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_B._Jones,_Jr.), is a patriot.

Representative Jones introduced H. Con. Res. 107 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concurrent_resolution), in the House of Representatives, on March 7, 2012.

It states:

Expressing the sense of Congress that the use of offensive military force by a President without prior and clear authorization of an Act of Congress constitutes an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor under article II, section 4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution) of the Constitution.

Whereas the cornerstone of the Republic is honoring Congress’s exclusive power to declare war under article I, section 8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution), clause 11 of the Constitution: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That it is the sense of Congress that, except in response to an actual or imminent attack against the territory of the United States, the use of offensive military force by a President without prior and clear authorization of an Act of Congress violates Congress’s exclusive power to declare war under article I, section 8, clause 11 of the Constitution and therefore constitutes an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor under article II, section 4 of the Constitution. - Library of Congress (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.CON.RES.107:)

http://freedomfighterusa.wordpress.com/2012/03/09/h-con-res-107-impeach-obama/

Also the end of the video with Biden is recent, it talks about Libya. It was under Obama.

cdc482
03-11-2012, 12:28 PM
He can,, and it will go into the "circular file" with the rest.

I see no point in trying to make a story (through false means) out of a non story.

The story in the OP is actually true, and you are the one spreading a lie.
Biden IS talking about Obama. If you watch the video, you'll notice he specifically mentions Iran. Why you said he was talking about Bush is beyond me. -1 for spreading false information.

pcosmar
03-11-2012, 01:26 PM
The story in the OP is actually true, and you are the one spreading a lie.
Biden IS talking about Obama. If you watch the video, you'll notice he specifically mentions Iran. Why you said he was talking about Bush is beyond me. -1 for spreading false information.


This speech from Biden was Dec 14, 2007 and he was talking about Bush. Here's a video of this speech uploaded in Youtube dated Dec 18, 2007.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dRFJ6CF2Mw

You're are talking about Joe Biden,, the man that WROTE the Patriot Act.
http://killfile.newsvine.com/_news/2008/08/25/1783040-in-1995-joe-biden-basically-wrote-the-patriot-act

cdc482
03-11-2012, 01:29 PM
Alright. Fair enough. That is a bummer and a misleading video. It would be a lot harder without the VP's support, but if Jones' files for impeachment, maybe it could still be done.

pcosmar
03-11-2012, 01:32 PM
Alright. Fair enough. That is a bummer and a misleading video. It would be a lot harder without the VP's support, but if Jones' files for impeachment, maybe it could still be done.

He is welcome to file it.
Ron Paul tried with Clinton.. I expect a similar result.


-rep Please do not spread false information.

and don't worry about it,, I ain't in it for rep.

cdc482
03-11-2012, 01:53 PM
He is welcome to file it.
Ron Paul tried with Clinton.. I expect a similar result.


and don't worry about it,, I ain't in it for rep.

No one ever filed for impeachment for a president going to war without congressional approval.
Clinton was for lying under oath, and I don't think Paul filed for it. He just reluctantly supported it saying that the wars were a far better reason for impeachment "let me tell you."
We need to set a precedent that we won't stand for this anymore.

and ill give you back the rep eventually. It wont let me do it right away.