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justinpagewood
03-10-2012, 12:53 PM
I need your help.

State voting is going by incredibly fast, and we have very little time to convince voters that Ron Paul is the best candidate.

We need to stop focusing on "No Tax on Tips," or trying to get young people to vote, or get Democrats to register Republican. Obviously, that's not working right now. It's something we need to do in the General Election, but not for a GOP Primary.

We need to convince older Republican voters in their 50s to 70s that Only Ron Paul can defeat Obama.

Why? Because he can bring the most amount of Democrats, Independents, and Youth votes in the General Election, which is what the GOP candidate must do in order to take back the White House.

Stop talking about war, and blowback, and the Federal Reserve. Stop trying to win on principle. Ultimately voters want a Republican back in the White House, and we need to let Republicans know that only Ron Paul will truly be able to take votes away from Obama. The other candidates will get crushed.

I've put together materials to help everyone consolidate their pitch, and start using this argument.

Check out the resources at www.ronpauldesigns.com (http://www.ronpauldesigns.com)

PS. I'm looking for someone to help make a 45 second YouTube video of this content. It will not be for Republican voters, it'll be to help educate Ron Paul supporters on real tactics that are needed to WIN the GOP nomination.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-x8twR-304Co/T1r5n9XRFSI/AAAAAAAABWs/gYc8piuhvyE/s1600/card.png

eleganz
03-10-2012, 12:58 PM
My suggestion would be to back it up with a few quotes, exerpts, references from polling companies to have a little credibility.

UMULAS
03-10-2012, 01:00 PM
Ok, HOW are we going to convince older people? Can you guys give me examples.

eleganz
03-10-2012, 01:04 PM
Ok, HOW are we going to convince older people? Can you guys give me examples.

A card won't convince them but will plant that seed of doubt...

If we can get the message loud enough the media just might pick up on it.

We need to do something drastic and extreme to show that Ron is the only one with the cross over appeal to beat Obama....

We can't do it without the corporate media, there is no other medium to reach these old ass GOP voters.



Based on my personal experience talking to a bunch of different people at our LA phone-bank, people don't really care about beating Obama anymore when Ron is brought up, the corporations do a good job with their brainwash...gotta give them that much.

Paul Or Nothing II
03-10-2012, 01:04 PM
++++++++++++++++++++++++1

I've been saying this for AGES that we MUST bring out Ron's superior electability against Obama due to his appeal amongst the Independents & Democrats

In fact, this should've been the FIRST thing, the campaign & Ron should've focused on because most voters simply don't care what you've to say if you're "unelectable" & media has been peddling this lie for a long time & we wasted time on all the attack-ads, we should've left attack-ads to the others & focused on presenting Ron as anti-Obama because right now, the Republican Party is more or Anyone-that-can-beat-Obama Party

I'd even created a thread about why Paul would be GOP's best bet against Obama but most Paul-supporters don't seem to recognize that electability should be the MAIN focus while all the issues being peripherals that most voters don't really understand or care about - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?361726-Ron-Paul-is-the-most-quot-electable-quot-Republican

LittleLightShining
03-10-2012, 01:10 PM
My suggestion would be to back it up with a few quotes, exerpts, references from polling companies to have a little credibility.You could point to Vermont. Democrats who were making mischief went for Rick Santorum. Independents and disaffected anti-war and pro-civil liberties Democrats (roughly 10%) went to Ron Paul. HALF of is vote was outside of the traditional Republican framework.

LittleLightShining
03-10-2012, 01:12 PM
A card won't convince them but will plant that seed of doubt...

If we can get the message loud enough the media just might pick up on it.

We need to do something drastic and extreme to show that Ron is the only one with the cross over appeal to beat Obama....

We can't do it without the corporate media, there is no other medium to reach these old ass GOP voters.



Based on my personal experience talking to a bunch of different people at our LA phone-bank, people don't really care about beating Obama anymore when Ron is brought up, the corporations do a good job with their brainwash...gotta give them that much.California is an open primary this year. Court the protest votes and play up the issues that matter to the broadest base of voters.

eleganz
03-10-2012, 01:18 PM
California is an open primary this year. Court the protest votes and play up the issues that matter to the broadest base of voters.

It's closed, trust me.

Scott_in_PA
03-10-2012, 01:22 PM
It will be tough with the news screwing thing up to suit there agenda.

Notice how the first part of this is talk about vs the title in the graphics.


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TheGrinch
03-10-2012, 01:34 PM
I agree, and I don't mean the following to be negative or disheartening, but to recognize that there is much more to do to hammer home this important point, that only Paul can beat Obama, and it's not a threat, it's a promise (that the polls currently back up).

However, here's why more needs to be done to show this:

This is among the biggest points I've hammered home lately to my parents and other voters, after the long battle for them to see what Dr. Paul was really about... So even though they liked Paul, their stated goal was the same as most republican voters: a candidate that could beat Obama... After some discussions about that and other issues, I figured they saw there was only one way to do that..

Then primary day comes around, and I ask my mom if she's going to cast her vote for Dr. Paul, and she says "I'm not sure. I don't think so"... I'm clearly devastated and don't know what to say, as she explains that she plans to vote for Romney, so that the frontrunner didn't lose to much momentum in Georgia... Seriously this was what was going through her head, and I had to pretty much start over about why Dr. Paul is the only one who can beat Obama, and frankly got to the point of insulting her and other voters, "You all claim you just want to beat Obama, to the point to where you're rallying behind a guy who's unlikely to beat him, and who most of you don't even like"... I was frankly pissed that after all these fake candidates their party has supported over the years, and her son has to again convince her of the one right choice that can actually accomplish their stated goal.

I don't recommend this approach I took to address it, but point being, she was far from the only one. I heard other ones saying to vote for Santorum, to the point that I really don't think they buy the fact that only Paul can beat Obama, even as the polls show it to be true. The good news is that republican voters really don't know what they want right now, and that's why they're flocking even more than usual towards anyone that can beat Obama.... The problem of course, is they still just don't believe that Paul is the guy, and so I'll be thinking and looking for more ways to hammer that home. It is no doubt priority #1 for republican voters, and it's time to seize that, as the seeds of doubt have been planted about the other candidates.

LittleLightShining
03-10-2012, 02:06 PM
It's closed, trust me.Ahhh. you're right. The Presidential Republican primary is closed. Everything else is open... Doesn't change the facts. Open primaries are where it's at for the beauty contest AND delegates.

heavenlyboy34
03-10-2012, 02:11 PM
IMO, it's good to play up RP's military experience and his efforts to help veterans. He's also talked about reforming SS without breaking promises to seniors. Just throwing that out there for ya. :)

MikeChambers
03-10-2012, 02:16 PM
All of the ideas are great but until you can directly combat the thousands of ads being run on radio and TV with ads of your own, it's all a moot point. The ads are on the campaign and their super PAC's. You can't show up to a gun fight with a knife and expect to win.

LittleLightShining
03-10-2012, 02:19 PM
Yeah, Mike, so sit home and don't even try. Seriously, you know the best way to counteract the television? Stop watching it and worrying about what's on it, grab a friend and spend a couple hours knocking on doors.

MikeChambers
03-10-2012, 02:31 PM
I never said sit at home. I'm merely pointing out a current reality.

TheGrinch
03-10-2012, 02:32 PM
All of the ideas are great but until you can directly combat the thousands of ads being run on radio and TV with ads of your own, it's all a moot point. The ads are on the campaign and their super PAC's. You can't show up to a gun fight with a knife and expect to win.

Good point (I'll play along)... So how much have you contributed to the campaign to keep those ads running so we don't have to bother with this nonsense?

Or is your plan to go lobby to Goldman Sachs to fund us instead of Romney? Cuz the reason why grassroots exists is to do what we don't have the funding or support to do solely through the media who blacks us out.

MikeChambers
03-10-2012, 02:51 PM
Grinch,

My point is that the grassroots are great and people have been working hard all over the country. The grassroots are the infantry but infantry alone does not win a battle. It requires artillery, cavalry and "air" support. In a number of states I've watched as it appeared the battle was about to be won only to see the other side push in their reserves and support. Romney has outspent everyone buying as many states as he can.

The fact that Romney has not been linked to Goldman Sachs and Obama is almost criminal. It would have soiled his temple drawers. I don't like the outcomes of what we have seen but I cannot ignore the reality of the situation.

For the record - I've promoted Ron Paul for two campaigns on my daily show and over the last two campaigns gave quite a bit of my cash to fund it.

ILUVRP
03-10-2012, 03:04 PM
i'm a senior ( ex mil like RP ) , i think he has to stress his anti-war ( w/o congress ok ) talk , the lack of service from the others is a very big talking point as many many seniors are vets, many like Eisenhower very much ,

also stress that social security will be changed slowly , like 15-20 yrs to reform it so it don't go broke.

i honestly think Ron Paul is the only one that can come even close to beating Obama .

jemuf
03-10-2012, 04:21 PM
All of the ideas are great but until you can directly combat the thousands of ads being run on radio and TV with ads of your own, it's all a moot point. The ads are on the campaign and their super PAC's. You can't show up to a gun fight with a knife and expect to win.

Don't you just love the '08 members Mike C.?

Yes we could keep doing the same thing we're doing, but...why can't we even beat Gingrich in these "beauty contests"?

Knocking on doors doesn't work for Ron Paul; he has too much working against him. Where's my proof? http://www.ronpaul2012.com/category/events/month Zero events are scheduled after today.

Whatever happens from this point forward is only going to be effective if the Ron Paul Campaign spearheads it. Which is what Mike C. was saying.

I would love to see something dramatic...positive of course.

GeorgiaAvenger
03-10-2012, 04:23 PM
I wouldn't say he is the only one, but he is the best bet.

alucard13mmfmj
03-10-2012, 04:24 PM
Since we are kinda screwed if Ron Paul doesn't get into office.. how about some self-immolation? We can set ourselves on fire, as a protest and to show how dedicated/crazy we are XD.... If that doesn't get attention, I don't know what will.

Voluntarist
03-10-2012, 06:11 PM
xxxxx

LittleLightShining
03-11-2012, 12:17 PM
The most recent Vermont polling (http://www.270towin.com/2012-polls/Vermont/) I see shows both Romney and Santorum doing better than Paul against Obama. But it's basically a statistical tie between all of the Republican candidates, with Obama beating them all by 30 percentage points. Honestly, Vermont doesn't matter. It's electors in the general election are going to Obama. Concentrate on how the candidates do against Obama in the battleground states.

Just like it's delegates that matter going towards the nomination, it's electoral votes that matter going towards the general election (270 needed to win). There are 181 electoral votes (in 22 states) that will be won by any general purpose Republican; and 196 electoral vote (in 15 states and DC) that will be won by Obama or any other general purpose Democrat (nothing short of an alien invasion will change that). So concentrate on the 13 battleground states that aren't already painted blue or red, and explain how Ron Paul does better than other candidates at getting at least 89 electoral votes out of them:
9 Electoral votes (Colorado polling against Obama (http://www.270towin.com/2012-polls/Colorado/))
29 Electoral votes (Florida polling against Obama (http://www.270towin.com/2012-polls/Florida/))
6 Electoral votes (Iowa polling against Obama) (http://www.270towin.com/2012-polls/Iowa/)
16 Electoral votes (Michigan polling against Obama (http://www.270towin.com/2012-polls/Michigan/))
10 Electoral votes (Missouri polling against Obama (http://www.270towin.com/2012-polls/Missouri/))
6 Electoral votes (Nevada polling against Obama (http://www.270towin.com/2012-polls/Nevada/))
4 Electoral votes (New Hampshire polling against Obama (http://www.270towin.com/2012-polls/New_Hampshire/))
5 Electoral votes (New Mexico polling against Obama (http://www.270towin.com/2012-polls/New_Mexico/))
15 Electoral votes (North Carolina polling against Obama (http://www.270towin.com/2012-polls/North_Carolina/))
18 Electoral votes (Ohio polling against Obama (http://www.270towin.com/2012-polls/Ohio/))
20 Electoral votes (Pennsylvania polling against Obama (http://http://www.270towin.com/2012-polls/Pennsylvania/))
13 Electoral votes (Virginia polling against Obama (http://www.270towin.com/2012-polls/Virginia/))
10 Electoral votes (Wisconsin polling against Obama (http://www.270towin.com/2012-polls/Wisconsin/))

Castleton polling is a crock.They had Ron Paul polling at 14% and he got 25% here. They are a startup "institute" funded by someone...

I hear what you're saying. What I'm saying is rebrand Ron in those states. Target the message like we did here. Might be a different message in those battleground states but appealing to the broadest base of voters peroiod-- not focusing specifically on Republicans not not ignoring them, either.

Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are big raw milk battlegrounds right now. May not be your issue but it is for a lot of people. Farmers being arrested and imprisoned and having to fold their farms because the Feds say you have no right to eat what you want to eat. This is all Obama. These things were NOT happening under Bush. Food freedom is a pretty crunchy issue.

Social security. Bi-partisan issue. Show the record. Deal sealed. Unless you're a Republican war-monger. Maximize the impact of the open primary by kicking off the General Election. Come out swinging against Obama on civil liberties, the war, the economy. Bring it home. Lot of veterans? talk about veterans' care, etc. DE-emphasize the polarizing social issues...

By your summation it's a lost cause so may as well give up. The nice thing about having an agile grassroots is that you can really fine-tune the message to certain demographics. You never know what's going to happen.

Endthefednow
03-11-2012, 12:19 PM
If Ron Paul goes against Obama Ron Paul will win by a landslide, That is if the GOP and the DNC don`t join forces to make sure Ron Paul does not win :mad:

PolicyReader
03-11-2012, 02:22 PM
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/03/10/republicans-ron-and-the-revolution/

Full article could be useful most useful bit I think is this

Self-identified Republicans represent just 27 percent of the electorate, compared with 31 percent who identify as Democrats and a record-high 40 percent who call themselves independents.

PolicyReader
03-12-2012, 01:14 AM
recent states on the Latino vote make this even more pressing.

emazur
03-12-2012, 02:10 AM
My suggestion would be to back it up with a few quotes, exerpts, references from polling companies to have a little credibility.

I have some on my youtube channel:

FEBRUARY:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBqa58YX1Ck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdjUPAkfqCI

JANUARY:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKGhChZ1sMg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS3Kp7U860E

Pointing out Paul's electability is important, but maybe not that important - look at this from last month - says voters are going to Santorum b/c of "moral character" and "values" while "beating Obama" is 4th on the list of things they most care about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a85gu3Onpi8

You hear Rick Santorum talking about he was the son of a coal miner and all that but Ron Paul NEVER talks about himself, he always talks about ideas. I think this is why Santorum is gaining support. Paul should should mention much more often his marriage, family life, upbringing, military career (hell I had no idea he was a pilot until a month or two ago), and charitable medical work as mentioned in "The Compassion of Ron Paul (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rv0Z5SNrF4)" and here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dzsfn7m63E

And it's not like he's incapable talking about himself - check out those breakfast with Ron Paul videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eWOTHNP1k0) on youtube and CSPAN.

And besides electability and character/values, I personally think Paul needs to do a little fear mongering. Everyone knows Ron Paul is the only guy serious about making cuts to government. Even the news guys admit it - check out Jan Helfeld's many interviews. But what's not so well known is that by 2025, the entire Federal budget will be consumed (http://bipartisanpolicy.org/sites/default/files/FINAL%20DRTF%20EXECUTIVE%20SUMMARY_0.pdf) by entitlements and interest on the debt. Paul needs to hammer down that statistic and point out how America will have NO money for defense, and if it ever gets to that point when we are all debt slaves, America will no longer be worth defending (but deliver it with more tact).

PolicyReader
03-12-2012, 02:20 AM
great links/vids +rep

Give me liberty
03-12-2012, 02:33 AM
Yup i agree with this +Rep to the thread OP:D

cindy25
03-12-2012, 04:07 AM
easier to convince the Romney establishment delegates; at least they are rational. most of these social values voters lack common sense

Paul Or Nothing II
03-12-2012, 04:11 AM
Pointing out Paul's electability is important, but maybe not that important - look at this from last month - says voters are going to Santorum b/c of "moral character" and "values" while "beating Obama" is 4th on the list of things they most care about:

Horsesh!t! The ONLY, THE ONLY reason Romney is the "frontrunner" is because he's "electable" & "can beat Obama", if it wasn't for that meme then he'd be nowhere in the Republican primaries because a lot of Republicans simply hate the Massachusetts Moderate so YES, Ron is seen as ANTI-OBAMA then he'll definitely get a huge push on his way to the nomination


You hear Rick Santorum talking about he was the son of a coal miner and all that but Ron Paul NEVER talks about himself, he always talks about ideas. I think this is why Santorum is gaining support. Paul should should mention much more often his marriage, family life, upbringing, military career (hell I had no idea he was a pilot until a month or two ago), and charitable medical work as mentioned in "The Compassion of Ron Paul (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rv0Z5SNrF4)" and here:

I agree, Ron needs to bring out his "personal side" to the idiots, that's what they chew on, he needs to talk about "his faith" & so on; give the suckers what they want to hear & take the power & change things


I personally think Paul needs to do a little fear mongering. Everyone knows Ron Paul is the only guy serious about making cuts to government. Even the news guys admit it - check out Jan Helfeld's many interviews. But what's not so well known is that by 2025, the entire Federal budget will be consumed (http://bipartisanpolicy.org/sites/default/files/FINAL%20DRTF%20EXECUTIVE%20SUMMARY_0.pdf) by entitlements and interest on the debt. Paul needs to hammer down that statistic and point out how America will have NO money for defense, and if it ever gets to that point when we are all debt slaves, America will no longer be worth defending (but deliver it with more tact).

AGREED, he DOES needs to fearmonger about the debt & what's going on in Greece & Europe & how big a problem the debt-crisis is; that's what Rand did, like Rand said, I ran on three points
1) Debt
2) Debt
3) The Debt :D

I wish he'd pull this pamphlet out of his pocket on one of these debates :D


If you want to simplify the debt problem, you could use calculation like this and integrate the cuts which RP proposes:

http://www.bitrebels.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/The-US-National-Debt-Simplified-1.jpg

Tinnuhana
03-12-2012, 05:23 AM
There's a video (or audio) floating around from a year or so ago, where Ron was asked if he'd consider another run for president. He said the only thing that would get him to run would be a great deterioration in the financial situation. That shows where he thinks things are headed.

emazur
03-12-2012, 05:32 PM
From today:
http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

For the fourth consecutive day, Mitt Romney leads President Obama in a hypothetical 2012 matchup. Today's numbers show Romney attracting 46% of the vote, while Obama earns 43%. Matchup results are updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern (sign up for free daily e-mail update).

If Ron Paul is the Republican nominee, he trails the president by one, 42% to 41%. If Rick Santorum heads the GOP ticket, the president has a three-point advantage, 46% to 43%. In a matchup with Newt Gingrich, Obama leads 46% to 40%. See tracking history for Obama vs. all four Republican candidates.

NoOneButPaul
03-12-2012, 05:49 PM
Ron's mentioned plenty of times at the debates he does the best against Obama, people know, and people don't care ("because he's not a real republican blah blah blah i'm a stupid fuck.")

If you want to get the old people on our side we have to convince them that Ron's foreign policy is right (good luck) and that Ron is actually the only one who will save Social Security.

The fact is old people in this country are too closed minded, too brain washed by the MSM, and too stupid to care that Ron polls the best vs Obama.

I think the best way to get Paul the nomination is to win California and make the argument Ron is the only one who can beat Obama there.

Ron wins California against Obama, Ron wins the election, PERIOD. There's no arguing against that... If Ron can show that he can win California then it's a whole new ballgame in my opinion.

We should put all the focus into winning that state.

emazur
03-17-2012, 03:33 AM
Horsesh!t! The ONLY, THE ONLY reason Romney is the "frontrunner" is because he's "electable" & "can beat Obama", if it wasn't for that meme then he'd be nowhere in the Republican primaries because a lot of Republicans simply hate the Massachusetts Moderate so YES, Ron is seen as ANTI-OBAMA then he'll definitely get a huge push on his way to the nomination



Pointing out Paul's electability is important, but maybe not that important - look at this from last month - says voters are going to Santorum b/c of "moral character" and "values" while "beating Obama" is 4th on the list of things they most care about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a85gu3Onpi8

That video was from last month, this story is from 3 days ago and says the same thing. You're right in that "beating Obama" is a popularly stated reason and benefits Romney but that's not what's driving Santorum supporters:
How Santorum won the Alabama primary (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57396871-503544/how-santorum-won-the-alabama-primary/)

As has been the case in every Republican primary or caucus held this year, beating Barack Obama in November is the most important quality Alabama voters were looking for in a candidate. But when asked which candidate would be most likely to do that, 46 percent chose Mitt Romney, and just 23 percent said Santorum was best positioned to win in November.

Santorum's appeal lay elsewhere: He won a large share of support from voters who said strong moral character was most important to them (getting 62 percent of their vote), and he won among those who were looking for a true conservative (with 51 percent of those voters' support).