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FrankRep
03-10-2012, 09:13 AM
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Daylight Saving Time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time) is a foolish, costly, wasteful, disruptive practice that causes huge economic, health, and safety problems; it should be repealed.


Time to Repeal Daylight Saving Time? (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/11136--time-to-repeal-daylight-saving-time)


Dennis Fuller | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
10 March 2012


The Aborigines of Frago-Mungo Land beat the ground with a Kooji-bird feather for three days in early spring. They are celebrating a tradition that says berries appear on bushes only if the earth is tickled. One may smirk at those in Frago-Mungo, but at least they enjoy their cultural tradition. Critics say that Americans are forced to suffer many delusions for their ridiculous ritual. There is an “earth tickling ceremony” here too. It’s called Daylight Saving Time. Those who object to the practice say that like feather-dusting the earth, it doesn’t do much good, but it still continues year after year. A growing number of people think it’s an insane practice and argue for its abolition.

Why did Daylight Saving Time start? Usually two educated answers are given: “To help the farmers” or “Because of World War I — or was it WWII?” DST did indeed begin in the United States during WWI (called War Time), primarily to save fuel by reducing the need to use artificial lighting in the many rural areas that were not electrified (candles, coal, and kerosene). Although some states observed DST between the wars, it was not used nationally again until WWII. Now, however, critics point out that there are very few areas in this country that still have no electricity. Also, those wars are long over, so why does the United States still have Daylight Saving Time?

And the fact is, farmers mostly oppose DST. In Indiana (prior to 2006), where part of the state observed DST, and part did not, farmers generally opposed a move to Daylight Saving Time. Farm-owners and ag-workers, who must wake with the sun (or their animals) no matter what time their clocks say, are greatly inconvenienced by having to alter their schedule in order to sell products to their customers who illogically observe Daylight Saving Time.

A little more history: The earliest known reference to the idea comes from a purely whimsical 1784 essay by Benjamin Franklin called “Turkey versus Eagle, McCauley is my Beagle,” and expanded in his essay titled “An Economic Project.” He proposed the “time saving scheme” in order to save money on whale oil needed to fuel his lamps. The Uniform Time Act of 1966 provided the basic framework for standardizing the changes between Daylight Saving and Standard Time that we now follow across the United States — prior to that each state set its own rules. Congress has tinkered with it many times since. There are 70-some other nations that enforce various forms of summer time change, and about 70-some different rules for its use.

Over the years, supporters have advanced new reasons behind enacting DST. One new rationale is safety — some believing that if there is more daylight at the end of the day, there will be fewer accidents. The fact that this “benefit” comes only at the cost of less daylight in the morning seems to escape those advocates. When year-round Daylight Time was tried briefly in 1973 (as a supposed fuel saver during that yea'r energy crisis), the reason it was repealed was because of an increase in the number of school bus accidents in the morning. Further, a study of traffic accidents throughout Canada in 1991 and 1992 by Stanley Coren of the University of British Columbia before, during, and immediately after the “spring forward” in April found an 8-percent jump in traffic accidents on the Monday after clocks were moved ahead. Professor Coren attributes the increase to the lost hour of sleep. In a letter to the New England Journal of Medicine, he explained, “These data show that even small changes in the amount of sleep that people get can have major consequences in everyday activities.” Other researchers attribute the huge spike in morning or evening accidents to the sudden change in the amount of light during driving times. Research confirms that there can be no denying that changing the clocks has a significant cost in human lives.

While some folks claim that they would miss the late evening light, they forget the presumably similar number of folks who love the morning light. One is reminded of the tale about the old Indian chief who was told the reasons for DST and said, “Only the government could believe that cutting a foot off the top of a blanket and sewing it to the bottom, would make a longer blanket.”

As mentioned above, Congress appears to want to keep tinkering with a difficult situation, and in 2007 they amended the law to start DST three weeks earlier and end it one week later. This move cost U.S. companies billions of dollars to reset automated equipment and put the United States further out of sync with the remainder of the “global community,” all in the name of unproven claims that energy is being saved. Criticcs say that if DST saves energy, then go with it year-round, with the added benefit of having more daylight at the end of the workday; but if it doesn't save energy, then drop it.

And what about those supposed savings? Energy conservation, as the motivation for expanding Daylight Saving Time, was recently debunked when a three-year scientific study by the University of California at Berkeley was conducted in Indiana, where the change was instituted statewide in 2006, as mentioned previously. They found that DST caused a one-percent overall increase in residential electricity use. This increase cost each Indiana household an average of only $3.49 per year, but almost $9,000,000 for the whole state. Researchers also estimated the health and social costs of increased pollution emissions at $1.7 million to $5.5 million per year. What explains this difference from government contentions? While DST reduces demand for household lighting, it increases demand for heating in the early spring and late fall (during the dark mornings) and, even more important, it increases demand for cooling on late summer evenings. It seems Ben Franklin was right about candles, but somehow he didn’t consider air-conditioning.

kkMany recent studies have shown an increase in heart attacks, sleep disorders, and other health problems associated with time changes and disruption of circadian rhythms. Contemporary studies have demonstrated an increase in people with “Seasonal Affective Disorder” who suffer depression, migraines, confusion, social problems, and lack of productivity whenever their schedules are disrupted. A November 2009 report published by the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences revealed that when the clocks are changed, the number of heart attacks increase by 50 percent, the rate of suicide grows by 66 percent, and 17 percent more people call for ambulance services. Russia eliminated DST in 2010. Critics say that it is evident that the physiological and psychological costs of DST are enormous.

A major excuse used today for DST is to ensure the safety of children walking to school in the dark, but with the alteration of the change schedule instituted in 2007, this undermines that reason for even more weeks than it used to. Also, in today’s America, most kids either ride the bus or are car-pooled by their parents, and those who do walk to school (or bus stop) live only a few residential blocks away. Additionally, the darkest part of the year is during the winter time when Daylight Saving Time isn’t even in effect. The problems for schools is when the time changes and it is suddenly darker, negating the reasons for not having DST year-round because of an alleged increase in bus accidents.

Many studies on business productivity and absenteeism can be cited that prove the detriment of continuing this practice. From increased efficiency to better use of travel schedules and enhanced global competiveness, opponents of DST insist that the elimination of this impediment will help business participate in an ever-expanding economy.


Below are some useful research Web pages related to Daylight Saving Time repeal:


About Daylight Saving (http://www.webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/) (good source with lots of links)

Abrupt shift of the pattern of diurnal variation in stroke onset with daylight saving time transitions. (from NIIH and PubMed.gov) (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18574046)

Daylight Saving Time disrupts humans’ natural Circadian Rhythm (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071024123249.htm) ( from Science Daily)

Daylight Saving Time Myths (http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4172) (from Skeptoid, Critical Analysis of Pop Phenomena)

Daylight Savings Time: A Matter of Life and Death? (http://yourlocalsecurity.com/in-good-measure/daylight-savings-time-a-matter-of-life-and-death) (from In Good Measure)

Daylight Savings Time and Traffic Accidents (http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199604043341416) (from The New England Journal of Medicine)

Shifts to and from Daylight Saving Time and Incidence of Myocardial Infarction (http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMc0807104) (from The New England Journal of Medicine)

Daylight Savings Time sure bet for increase in Accidents, Fatigue (http://www.selfhelpmagazine.com/article/daylight-savings-time) (from Selfhelp Magazine)

Saving Time, Saving Energy (http://www.energy.ca.gov/daylightsaving.html) (from the California Energy Commission)

Sleep Deficit, Fatal Accidents and the spring shift to Daylight Saving Time (http://www.mcmaster.ca/inabis98/occupational/coren0164/two.html) (Internet Association for Biomedical Sciences)

Daylight Saving health concerns valid (http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2011/mar/28/joel-keehn/daylight-saving-health-concerns-valid/) (from PolitiFact Georgia)

Daylight Saving time and Trucker Fatigue (from blog4truckers) (http://www.cash4truckers.com/blog4truckers/blogs/tim-brady/389-daylight-saving-time-and-trucker-fatigue)

The History of Daylight Saving Time (http://voices.yahoo.com/the-history-daylight-saving-time-2836441.html) (from Yahoo.com)

Why end Daylight Saving Time? (http://www.standardtime.com/) (from Standardtime.com)

Farmers shrug off daylight time (http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20090309/LOCAL/303099977/-1/LOCAL11) (from the Journal Gazette)

Russia abolishes DST practice (http://rt.com/news/daylight-saving-time-abolished/) (from R T News)

(Author's note: The only websites I can find for “reasons to keep Daylight Saving Time” are to retain it for year-round use.)


SOURCE:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/11136--time-to-repeal-daylight-saving-time

garyallen59
03-10-2012, 09:47 AM
Good read!

KMX
03-10-2012, 10:11 AM
It's tonight right??

Yieu
03-10-2012, 10:14 AM
I support this cause. DST is a burden, and it is not the real time.

It is an hour off from the real time, and the real time is still the real time even though our schedule is marked an hour wrongly ahead.

Another thing this affects are some religious fasts that must be broken at a certain time of the day, and that time does not consider DST, it considers the real time only. Not a huge problem, but one more reason that DST is bothersome.

libertyjam
03-10-2012, 11:00 AM
Besides Indiana, the entire state of Arizona does not observe DST.

moderate libertarian
03-10-2012, 11:43 AM
Why force end of dst? People should the freedom to move their clocks forward in spring and back in the fall. That is what having choices is all about.

r3volution
03-10-2012, 11:56 AM
Why force end of dst? People should the freedom to move their clocks forward in spring and back in the fall. That is what having choices is all about. good argument :rolleyes:

heavenlyboy34
03-10-2012, 12:02 PM
Besides Indiana, the entire state of Arizona does not observe DST. Neither does Hawaii, as I've been told. One of the nice things about being here in AZ is never having to use DST. :D

oyarde
03-10-2012, 12:34 PM
It used to be Indiana , Puerto Rico and Arizona , I do not know about Hawaii & Alaska . Indiana uses it now ( one bad gift from Gov Daniels ) . I have seen studies from electric companies that prove it is more costly to the people . I oppose it myself . Bottom line is this , the sun rises , the sun sets , there is the same amount of daylight in each given day that there will be , time is irrelevent , and there is no "saving" .

oyarde
03-10-2012, 12:52 PM
People are already free to pretend it is whatever time they like , no reason for them to violate my clock . Even the name is a lie , there is no saving for an individual , just added cost. Who benefits by the added cost ? the state benefits with the additional sales tax collected on the additional energy billed to the individual....

oyarde
03-10-2012, 12:56 PM
So , if it must be used , it must be called daylight Thieving Time.

oyarde
03-10-2012, 01:00 PM
It's tonight right?? Yeah , tonight or tommorrow , so make sure you are squared a way for work on Mon.

oyarde
03-10-2012, 01:07 PM
If it is repealed , I demand a refund of all the extra sales tax collected from me for the past six years, a significant amount . I pledge half to private charity . Thieves should not be rewarded by my sweat. It is immoral. Since I have given myself a holiday and seceded through at least Mon,they can throw it in the mail Tue. , they may deduct postage , since I am a Great Patriot.

oyarde
03-10-2012, 01:23 PM
If the State feels so compelled, I encourage them to recover my refund from the assholes who lobbied for increased theft from me .

Karsten
03-10-2012, 01:26 PM
I actually love Daylight Saving Time. I'm an evening person, not a morning person, so I prefer having the light later in the day. I hate when it gets dark before 5pm without DST. I wish DST was year round.

I realize my opinion is a personal preference and not very libertarian. I actually look forward to DST, and dread when we have to change the clocks back to standard time.

oyarde
03-10-2012, 01:29 PM
good argument :rolleyes: Are you an insurance company lobbyist or a golf course owner?? :) :)

heavenlyboy34
03-10-2012, 01:30 PM
I actually love Daylight Saving Time. I'm an evening person, not a morning person, so I prefer having the light later in the day. I hate when it gets dark before 5pm without DST. I wish DST was year round.

I realize my opinion is a personal preference and not very libertarian. I actually look forward to DST, and dread when we have to change the clocks back to standard time.
Yeah, a lot of people subjectively like it, but is that an excuse to deny what time the sun says it is? I've lived in Ohio, and DST sucked for me. :p

bluesc
03-10-2012, 01:32 PM
Vote for me! I promise to repeal Daylight Saving Time and make LBJ a ONE. TERM. PRESIDENT.

oyarde
03-10-2012, 01:35 PM
Vote for me! I promise to repeal Daylight Saving Time and make LBJ a ONE. TERM. PRESIDENT. You have my vote , when can I expect my 60k medicare refund ?

PaulConventionWV
03-10-2012, 01:36 PM
Why force end of dst? People should the freedom to move their clocks forward in spring and back in the fall. That is what having choices is all about.

lolz

bluesc
03-10-2012, 01:41 PM
You have my vote , when can I expect my 60k medicare refund ?

Let's not get into such things just yet. I will have plenty of time to work out the details from the oval office. I do promise to make you and everyone else rich though. You can take that to the bank!

PaulConventionWV
03-10-2012, 01:41 PM
I actually love Daylight Saving Time. I'm an evening person, not a morning person, so I prefer having the light later in the day. I hate when it gets dark before 5pm without DST. I wish DST was year round.

I realize my opinion is a personal preference and not very libertarian. I actually look forward to DST, and dread when we have to change the clocks back to standard time.

I don't mind that, as long as it's the same year-round. With my job, it would actually be better for me to have the extra daylight at the beginning of the day, but it doesn't matter so much. Everyone has to adapt. I'll probably quit that job in a few months, anyway.

heavenlyboy34
03-10-2012, 01:44 PM
lolz What's lol-zy about that? :confused:

oyarde
03-10-2012, 01:53 PM
Let's not get into such things just yet. I will have plenty of time to work out the details from the oval office. I do promise to make you and everyone else rich though. You can take that to the bank! No need for me to be rich , but I would accept back the 120k taken from me in medicare medicaid social security , as a Great Patriot , I will be generous and allow you to keep the rest taken from me not allowed by Article One , Section Eight. Feel free to deduct postage. If I get back the six years of additional sales tax collected from me by the state for DST , give half to charity , get back my Medicare/social security money , I can pay off all my remaining debt and quit my job.

bluesc
03-10-2012, 01:57 PM
No need for me to be rich , but I would accept back the 120k taken from me in medicare medicaid social security , as a Great Patriot , I will be generous and allow you to keep the reast taken from me not allowed by Article One , Section Eight.

Oh, err... Repeal DST! Thank you, everyone!

onlyrp
03-10-2012, 02:00 PM
And the fact is, farmers mostly oppose DST.

Most Americans are farmers, so it'd make perfect sense to listen to them. I don't buy the "costly" argument, since technology has allowed most clocks to adjust themselves.

Many recent studies have shown an increase in heart attacks, sleep disorders, and other health problems associated with time changes and disruption of circadian rhythms.
LOL, really? Internet Association for Biomedical Sciences one of them?

Karsten
03-10-2012, 02:00 PM
Yeah, a lot of people subjectively like it, but is that an excuse to deny what time the sun says it is? I've lived in Ohio, and DST sucked for me. :p

Well, who says "standard time" is the "correct" time to be? Standard time is just an artificially government declared time too, just as daylight saving time is. I think you standard time defenders are ALSO defending preference, much like me, because the sun doesn't care what time it is.

A more libertarian solution is probably to let the states establish their own times independent of each other (no nationally mandated DST or time zones). An even more libertarian solution would be to let the local governments decide, or even the communities.

But, so long as we're stuck with a big federal government, I actually enjoy DST, and have no problems with it (other than changing the clocks -- wish DST was year round).

oyarde
03-10-2012, 02:01 PM
It is not daylight saving time, it is daylight extra sales tax theft time.

onlyrp
03-10-2012, 02:03 PM
Why force end of dst? People should the freedom to move their clocks forward in spring and back in the fall. That is what having choices is all about.

because people like frankrep can't imagine the possibility of sleeping early or late, regardless of what the clock says. It's OUR fault they THEY are married and strict to "eat lunch at 12, sleep at 9, wake up at 7". Does Arizona have a healthier population due to no DST?

oyarde
03-10-2012, 02:04 PM
Most Americans are farmers, so it'd make perfect sense to listen to them. I don't buy the "costly" argument, since technology has allowed most clocks to adjust themselves.

Many recent studies have shown an increase in heart attacks, sleep disorders, and other health problems associated with time changes and disruption of circadian rhythms.
LOL, really? Internet Association for Biomedical Sciences one of them? When the dollar collapses , most , surviving Americans will be growing some food.

heavenlyboy34
03-10-2012, 02:04 PM
Many recent studies have shown an increase in heart attacks, sleep disorders, and other health problems associated with time changes and disruption of circadian rhythms.
LOL, really? Internet Association for Biomedical Sciences one of them?
It's in the useful pages list cited list in the OP. Reading the whole article helps. ;)

onlyrp
03-10-2012, 02:05 PM
Well, who says "standard time" is the "correct" time to be? Standard time is just an artificially government declared time too, just as daylight saving time is. I think you standard time defenders are ALSO defending preference, much like me, because the sun doesn't care what time it is.

A more libertarian solution is probably to let the states establish their own times independent of each other (no nationally mandated DST or time zones). An even more libertarian solution would be to let the local governments decide, or even the communities.

But, so long as we're stuck with a big federal government, I actually enjoy DST, and have no problems with it (other than changing the clocks -- wish DST was year round).

actually there is no law mandating anybody to use their clocks or watches one way or the other, if you don't follow what majority use, it's yourself that's missing out on business opportunities. Your cellphones and computers are autosynced, but nobody can force you to abide by that time.

heavenlyboy34
03-10-2012, 02:06 PM
because people like frankrep can't imagine the possibility of sleeping early or late, regardless of what the clock says. It's OUR fault they THEY are married and strict to "eat lunch at 12, sleep at 9, wake up at 7". Does Arizona have a healthier population due to no DST? I certainly feel healthier not having to deal with DST. :D Don't have any studies of the whole population, tho.

eduardo89
03-10-2012, 02:07 PM
I honestly couldn't care less. My iPhone changes the time automatically, so I don't even notice it. There are pressing issues than this...

onlyrp
03-10-2012, 02:10 PM
I honestly couldn't care less. My iPhone changes the time automatically, so I don't even notice it. There are pressing issues than this...

yeah, seriously.

People who say "there's a lost hour of sleep" forget that there's also a gained hour of sleep on the other end. Plus nobody is forcing them to sleep late. So the "loss" only happens on the day of adjustment.

As for the traffic accident argument, why not adopt the "repeal drunk driving" standard? "Hey, majority of accidents happen outside of DST adjustment dates, therefore DST shouldn't be a concern"?

oyarde
03-10-2012, 02:13 PM
No need for me to be rich , but I would accept back the 120k taken from me in medicare medicaid social security , as a Great Patriot , I will be generous and allow you to keep the rest taken from me not allowed by Article One , Section Eight. Feel free to deduct postage. If I get back the six years of additional sales tax collected from me by the state for DST , give half to charity , get back my Medicare/social security money , I can pay off all my remaining debt and quit my job. Then , I am going to load the plane up with black market garlic , sneak into Ireland and make some cash by circumventing the 232 % tax on Chinese garlic. Liberty Rules !

oyarde
03-10-2012, 02:21 PM
They have a nine percent import tax on apples ...

heavenlyboy34
03-10-2012, 02:23 PM
yeah, seriously.

People who say "there's a lost hour of sleep" forget that there's also a gained hour of sleep on the other end. Plus nobody is forcing them to sleep late. So the "loss" only happens on the day of adjustment.

As for the traffic accident argument, why not adopt the "repeal drunk driving" standard? "Hey, majority of accidents happen outside of DST adjustment dates, therefore DST shouldn't be a concern"?
I favor the "why deny the real time the sun tells you?" argument. ;)

eduardo89
03-10-2012, 02:25 PM
I favor the "why deny the real time the sun tells you?" argument. ;)

My lock basically revolves around my daughter. When she wakes up it's time to wake up.

bolil
03-10-2012, 02:28 PM
Does anybody really know what time it is?

onlyrp
03-10-2012, 02:28 PM
I favor the "why deny the real time the sun tells you?" argument. ;)

so then winter you wake up later, summer you wake up earlier, what's the problem?

oyarde
03-10-2012, 02:29 PM
Chicago

eduardo89
03-10-2012, 02:30 PM
Does anybody really know what time it is?

The measurement of time is completely arbitrary.

oyarde
03-10-2012, 02:31 PM
I may have to see this aboriginal thing in Frago Mungo after I get my garlic unloaded.

NCGOPer_for_Paul
03-10-2012, 02:39 PM
I don't have a problem with DST per se, but I do have a problem with it beginning in mid-March. There's about three to four weeks where morning rush hour is pitch dark and then into a blinding sunrise. That is dangerous. It's also a problem for schools when the beginning of school is still at what appears to be night.

I can certainly buy the argument that DST causes health problems since the shift to March - November.

Move it back to the end of April through the beginning of October. That made a bit of sense. The change in time with sunrise/sunset wasn't so drastic.

onlyrp
03-10-2012, 02:48 PM
I don't have a problem with DST per se, but I do have a problem with it beginning in mid-March. There's about three to four weeks where morning rush hour is pitch dark and then into a blinding sunrise. That is dangerous. It's also a problem for schools when the beginning of school is still at what appears to be night.

I can certainly buy the argument that DST causes health problems since the shift to March - November.

Move it back to the end of April through the beginning of October. That made a bit of sense. The change in time with sunrise/sunset wasn't so drastic.

I think I agree there. It only makes sense to change when the sun already has started to, such that it wouldn't be abrupt and drastic. March/Nov is pretty asymmetrical. I have a conspiracy theory, somebody is secretly changing DST early to discredit the good intentions and proper uses of it.

There's also this, people are happy to sleep an extra hour, or nap during the time of day. But vice versa, whether waking up early, or being woken up in the middle of the day, not so much.

donnay
03-10-2012, 03:01 PM
Does anybody really know what time it is?

Does anybody really care?

bolil
03-10-2012, 03:04 PM
If so I can't imagine why...

oyarde
03-10-2012, 05:11 PM
In Indiana , I just started calling the legislature the prince's of darkness when they let Daniels bully them into everyone bumbling around in the dark for hours .

heavenlyboy34
03-10-2012, 05:12 PM
In Indiana , I just started calling the legislature the prince's of darkness when they let Daniels bully them into everyone bumbling around in the dark for hours .
lolz! :D

heavenlyboy34
03-10-2012, 05:13 PM
so then winter you wake up later, summer you wake up earlier, what's the problem? The time change disrupts my internal clock. :P I have enough trouble sleeping as it is without DST.

onlyrp
03-10-2012, 05:16 PM
The time change disrupts my internal clock. :P I have enough trouble sleeping as it is without DST.

so you basically admitted it's not the time change, you can't even follow the sun as it is.

oyarde
03-10-2012, 05:20 PM
There is no saving , you have all been duped .

heavenlyboy34
03-10-2012, 05:20 PM
so you basically admitted it's not the time change, you can't even follow the sun as it is.
Nope. It's the time change. Here in AZ I don't have the problem because my clock never changes. :)

heavenlyboy34
03-10-2012, 05:20 PM
There is no saving , you have all been duped .
This is true^^

Anti Federalist
03-10-2012, 05:20 PM
Ha.

Keep in mind it was private corporations that imposed this time tyranny on us.

The railroads.

I say, go to metric time, 75 minutes past 7 = 6:45 PM or 1845.

If you're going to measure in a confusing fashion, might as well go all the way.

:p

heavenlyboy34
03-10-2012, 05:22 PM
Ha.

Keep in mind it was private corporations that imposed this time tyranny on us.

The railroads.

I say, go to metric time, 75 minutes past 7 = 6:45 PM or 1845.

If you're going to measure in a confusing fashion, might as well go all the way.

:p
+a bunch. I like the 24 clock better anyway. Been using it for about a decade now. :)

oyarde
03-10-2012, 05:26 PM
And since my fellow Hoosiers have been duped , the State collects 7 percent tax on the extra 10 million dollars being spent on coal fired ,produced electric due to DST . If any of you like burning more money , pm me and I will give you a mailing address where you can send some more . Remember what P T Barnum said.... he must have been talking about many of you as well.

Anti Federalist
03-10-2012, 05:27 PM
Sam Levenson (yeah, now I'm showing my age) once wrote that DST was like cutting off the end of a blanket and sewing it on the other end to make it longer in winter, and then cutting off again in the spring to make it shorter.

oyarde
03-10-2012, 05:30 PM
He may have stolen that from an old Indian on the Res.

oyarde
03-10-2012, 05:36 PM
Everyone list all the great " saving" they get from DST.

heavenlyboy34
03-10-2012, 05:36 PM
Sam Levenson (yeah, now I'm showing my age) once wrote that DST was like cutting off the end of a blanket and sewing it on the other end to make it longer in winter, and then cutting off again in the spring to make it shorter.
lolz, brilliant :D

heavenlyboy34
03-10-2012, 05:37 PM
Everyone list all the great " saving" they get from DST.
+1 I'd like to see that list. I never benefitted from it when I was subject to it. :P

oyarde
03-10-2012, 05:37 PM
Hell , it even sounds like an STD , like most expensive , abbreviated govt.

GeorgiaAvenger
03-10-2012, 05:42 PM
I honestly didn't know it was a law, lol

oyarde
03-10-2012, 05:44 PM
I honestly didn't know it was a law, lol Only way you get a buy in on something that half the people have deduced is stupid.

FrankRep
03-10-2012, 05:47 PM
Ohio state rep. wants to repeal Daylight Saving Time
http://www.fox19.com/story/17119508/ohio-state-rep-wants-to-repeal-daylight-saving-time

oyarde
03-10-2012, 05:49 PM
Ohio state rep. wants to repeal Daylight Saving Time
http://www.fox19.com/story/17119508/ohio-state-rep-wants-to-repeal-daylight-saving-time Good for him Frank , smarter than most .

oyarde
03-10-2012, 09:49 PM
Americans in general , are not smart enough to vote for Ron Paul , so , I suspect they may also be easily duped about things , such as this . This convinces me that collapse is certain. I may open a web site selling some daylight saving and see how it goes......

heavenlyboy34
03-10-2012, 09:51 PM
Good for him Frank , smarter than most . +1

oyarde
03-10-2012, 10:22 PM
Where should I start my prices at for daylight saving ?

oyarde
03-10-2012, 10:24 PM
If this goes over well , I may decide to auction Helmand and Kandahar too.

oyarde
03-10-2012, 10:25 PM
I already start to feel pompous , fat and wealthy , is this what it feels like to be Al Gore ?

oyarde
03-10-2012, 10:35 PM
I have some used carbon credits , I will let go cheap . I tilled my garden today , ran the tiller for three hours , but only used one small tank of gas , so I do not need them .

heavenlyboy34
03-10-2012, 10:43 PM
Where should I start my prices at for daylight saving ?The bidding shall start at $350. So let it be written, so let it be done.

heavenlyboy34
03-10-2012, 10:44 PM
If this goes over well , I may decide to auction Helmand and Kandahar too. Kandahar city or Kandahar province?

oyarde
03-10-2012, 10:48 PM
Kandahar city or Kandahar province? Whole Province , I will get a quit claim deed typed up when the check clears . The Afghan Govt may take a little exception to it , but I would not worry about them much , as the new landlord of the tribal Chieftans , though , you must take into consideration , these guys are not avg tenents.

oyarde
03-10-2012, 10:50 PM
The bidding shall start at $350. So let it be written, so let it be done. That sounds a bit high , so , I will throw in a neat certificate of authenticity .

oyarde
03-10-2012, 11:03 PM
Beware of unauthentic imitations . Oyarde is the original purveyor of daylight saving certificates . Snake oil available for an extra $199 , plus shipping and handling charges ( $39) , no C.O.D.'s , cash or credit card only . First 285 purchases only , get a lock of hair from Oyarde. Residents of Indiana , Ireland , Texas , please include sales and or import tax.

oyarde
03-10-2012, 11:07 PM
Aboriginals of Frago Mungo Land are tax exempt and the snake oil is on the house.

heavenlyboy34
03-10-2012, 11:08 PM
Beware of unauthentic imitations . Oyarde is the original purveyor of daylight saving certificates . Snake oil available for an extra $199 , plus shipping and handling charges ( $39) , no C.O.D.'s , cash or credit card only . First 285 purchases only , get a lock of hair from Oyarde. Residents of Indiana , Ireland , Texas , please include sales and or import tax. Throw in a four leaf clover and I'll add $25 to my purchase.

oyarde
03-10-2012, 11:10 PM
Throw in a four leaf clover and I'll add $25 to my purchase. LOL

RickyJ
03-10-2012, 11:24 PM
Does anybody really know what time it is?

It is close, real close to revolting time. And yet people here are complaining about a stupid clock.

onlyrp
03-11-2012, 12:08 AM
Nope. It's the time change. Here in AZ I don't have the problem because my clock never changes. :)
You just said you have problem sleeping as it is without DST, meaning it is your own problem. DST at least follows in direction on sun time.

heavenlyboy34
03-11-2012, 12:14 AM
You just said you have problem sleeping as it is without DST, meaning it is your own problem. DST at least follows in direction on sun time. I said sleeping with DST is my problem. I've tried it when I lived in the midwest briefly.

onlyrp
03-11-2012, 12:18 AM
I said sleeping with DST is my problem. I've tried it when I lived in the midwest briefly.

Go read what you wrote. So i'll ask you again, do you sleep an hour later in mid winter or wake an hour earlier in summer?

TheNewYorker
03-11-2012, 01:47 AM
I like DST. It's convenient to me. I get out of work late, and it's nice to actually have an extra hour of light when I get out of work to do outdoor work for myself and not just go home and stay inside.

onlyrp
03-11-2012, 05:04 PM
I like DST. It's convenient to me. I get out of work late, and it's nice to actually have an extra hour of light when I get out of work to do outdoor work for myself and not just go home and stay inside.

Hopefully you are not sarcastic, but if you live in NY, does DST come close to how the sun changes?

oyarde
03-11-2012, 07:08 PM
Trying to picture upstate NY in March ....

oyarde
03-11-2012, 07:10 PM
All sales tax in NY , depending on where , would be a minimum of four percent on energy/utilities ...

oyarde
03-11-2012, 09:14 PM
Puerto Rico does not observe dst

Okie RP fan
03-11-2012, 09:28 PM
Repeal it. It's useless.

I did two speeches last semester over DST. It truly doesn't benefit anything, it's a pain in the rear, is all.

oyarde
03-11-2012, 09:39 PM
Not only is there no benefit , it costs.

heavenlyboy34
03-11-2012, 09:48 PM
Not only is there no benefit , it costs.
This is true! :)

oyarde
03-11-2012, 11:39 PM
Looks like the only fair way to resolve this , without repeal , is for the people who support it to pay the multi millions or billions in extra cost for those who do not. Everybody can just check off ea yr on tax forms , oppose or support , supporters sent an additional bill , opposers a refund.

oyarde
03-11-2012, 11:42 PM
Ignorance should not be free . I may still have a couple of those bumper stickers around.

Suzu
03-11-2012, 11:53 PM
I've always hated DST. When I was a small child I asked my dad what it was. He explained as best he could, and I didn't get it. But I did see a big satellite dish in a field near our house, and I decided that it was involved in DST. My thought (for many years) was that at certain times of the year, due to the angle of the sun at sunrise and sunset in relation to the dish, it would collect and store light during the day and then someone would turn it on and release light for an hour each night after sundown.

RickyJ
03-11-2012, 11:55 PM
Ignorance should not be free . I may still have a couple of those bumper stickers around.

It isn't free, people pay with their lives for being ignorant.

The Free Hornet
03-12-2012, 12:19 AM
Will those who love DST so you can have your extra summertime hour just lobby to make it year round? I don't give a fuck about where the hour is, I just hate having all my clocks and gizmos effed up. I have clocks that automatically adjust under the old DST schedule, and clocks that adjust themselves properly, clocks you on your car (hello distraction!), and my DVR goes whacky and most timers have to be reset. Just pick a time and stick with it.

The abrupt change is the worse and does cause deaths. Lives that are not reincarnated when we have that blessed 25-hour day in the Fall. I fear if this madness continues, not only will I lose time fixing clocks and timers, but I always waste even more time reading these posts, threads, and articles about how much DST sucks whenever we change the damn clocks again. Make it year round, I will capitulate victory to the sun lovers and just sleep in an extra hour to avoid all that superfluous light.

1836
03-12-2012, 10:20 AM
GET RID OF IT. IT IS STUPID AND COSTLY.

oyarde
03-12-2012, 10:27 AM
The fact that it increases costs with no balancing benefit , it is the heigth of stupid , or , even trumps stupid.

AFPVet
03-12-2012, 10:34 AM
Here in Indiana, we fought DST for a long time, but we finally caved into it.

oyarde
03-12-2012, 10:39 AM
Here in Indiana, we fought DST for a long time, but we finally caved into it. At an added cost of roughly 10 million dollars a year in increased electricity usage for heating and cooling, that does not include natural gas .

smithtg
03-12-2012, 10:42 AM
id prefer to stay on DST year round. The morning is boring, let it be dark. I would much rather have sun in the evening. I still go to bed when its dark.

oyarde
03-14-2012, 11:53 AM
St Patrick special , $20 off daylight saving certificate .

oyarde
03-15-2012, 12:24 AM
What, no takers ? Ok slashing prices , Now , Through Mon afternoon only , Daylight Saving Certificates for only $99 ( special , one time offer , does NOT come with snake oil , lock of Oyrde hair , Absolutely , NOT , even a whiff of a four leaf clover , and sales and or import tax still apply ) special gift , though included .

oyarde
03-15-2012, 12:30 AM
Anyone who gave this thread , less than a minimum of four stars , and " likes " DST , must buy a minimum of one. Thank you for your cooperation . Free gifts are awsome while supplies last , remaining inv is excellent !!! Do not miss out on this "one time offer "