PANETTA: 'INTERNATIONAL PERMISSION’ TRUMPS CONGRESSIONAL PERMISSION FOR MILITARY ACTIONS

[sailingaway]

tweeted by drudgereport

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/03/07/Shocking%20Defense%20Secretary%20Says%20Internatio nal%20Permission%20Trumps%20Congressional%20Permis sion

[Drex]

lolwut

[Philosophy_of_Politics]

Lol...someone needs to smack him with an Iron-Constitution.

[TheAmazingJimmy]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!
I was just about to post this!
My views. TREASON.

[xkrazy201x]

This is insanity.

[Lomez]

He should be removed from his position immediately. What a joke. George Washington needs to travel through time and bitch slap this guy.

[Philosophy_of_Politics]

I believe Ron Paul should make a public announcement regarding this. Telling the troops to disobey unconstitutional orders, which are ordered by the U.N.

[AGRP]

The sky is blue :confused:

[J_White]

Can we get him for Treason ?
He is not serving the US Constitution or the Congress, he is serving foreign powers.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/03/07/Shocking%20Defense%20Secretary%20Says%20Internatio nal%20Permission%20Trumps%20Congressional%20Permis sion

[Indy Vidual]

I believe Ron Paul should make a public announcement regarding this. Telling the troops to disobey unconstitutional orders, which are ordered by the U.N.

Good idea

[Tinnuhana]

Could be a game changer?Ron's the only one who can say this with true conviction. Coming out this boldly will also get him some free air time, I'd imagine.

[thoughtomator]

are we there yet?

[Andrew Ryan]

eff...

[anaconda]

This is insanity.

Not to be confused with "Linsanity"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR3NhE8fBs8

[phill4paul]

I have no doubt that Panetta would seek a U.N. coalition before suppressing a revolution of the citizens of these United States when the people of these United States finally have had their fill of a government bound by no rule of law.

[LisaNY]

We received an ominous email last night from a nephew. He's in the M.E., we'll "know where in a few days".

[tod evans]

This is a major deal!

Indictments need to be filed and Panetta must be placed in the brig awaiting public hearings.

Where is Adam K.? Who is the General sitting over Panetta's shoulder?

Our military should NEVER be dispatched under a NATO flag........WTF!

Senator Sessions asks the right questions but doesn't have the balls to denounce Panetta's unconstitutional behavior as treasonous.

[WilliamC]

Not that I agree with this, but here is how it will be justified.


Article. VI.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

[FrankRep]

Flashback:

Leon Panetta -- History Shows He's Unfit For U.S. Secretary of Defense

http://www.thenewamerican.com/images/stories2011/07aJune/panetta-ap.001.jpg



Confirming Leon Panetta for Secretary of Defense may harm U.S. defense considering his Institute for Policy Studies (IPS) ties and his record of siding with communist subversion.


Leon Panetta and the Institute for Policy Studies (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/congress/7819-panetta-unfit-for-sec-of-defense)


Christian Gomez | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
11 June 2011

[DEGuy]

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/03/07/Shocking%20Defense%20Secretary%20Says%20Internatio nal%20Permission%20Trumps%20Congressional%20Permis sion

:eek:

[jkr]

='s treason.

[TheAmazingJimmy]

Oh crap. I bet this will have something to do with KONY 2012 garbage, "Popular opinion says we should bomb africa for ten years to get one guy, so let's do it!".

[jkr]

='s treason

[DEGuy]

I can't even believe that the Panetta didn't even try to word things more carefully. He made it sound like he was taking specific direction from other foreign agencies. He could have focused on the president exercising his ability to protect the nation without a formal declation from Congress, as has been established by the War Powers Act and historical precedence. Instead, he made it sound like he, Leon Panetta was going to take direction from foreign powers, whether or not Congress did anything about it. No wonder the Senator was shocked at what he was hearing.

[Tobias2dope]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zNwOeyuG84&feature=player_embedded

This is straight up evil :mad:.

[Tobias2dope]

BUMP

[donnay]

Yes these traitors need to be rounded up and tried!!

We need to send the UN packing!!

[FrankRep]

Flashback:

Leon Panetta -- History Shows He's Unfit For U.S. Secretary of Defense

http://www.thenewamerican.com/images/stories2011/07aJune/panetta-ap.001.jpg



Confirming Leon Panetta for Secretary of Defense may harm U.S. defense considering his Institute for Policy Studies (IPS) ties and his record of siding with communist subversion.


Leon Panetta and the Institute for Policy Studies (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/congress/7819-panetta-unfit-for-sec-of-defense)


Christian Gomez | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
11 June 2011

[jkr]

ACCOUNTABILITY?

[tod evans]

Asking the fox to watch the hen-house.

The general sitting behind Panetta is part and party to this behavior.

Guess the constitution they swore to uphold is different to the one I read?

[Origanalist]

ACCOUNTABILITY?

They don't need no stinking accountability.

This is what we're going to do, and you can stick the constitution where the sun doesn't shine. There is no longer any pretense of adhering to it.

[LibertyEagle]

The questioning is great, but if they don't somehow prosecute the SOBs for treason, nothing is going to change.

[Tobias2dope]

People need to know about this.

BUMP

[dancjm]

:eek:

[donnay]

Get a hold of your senators and congresspersons to start Impeachment procedures!!!!

[alucard13mmfmj]

isnt treason punishable by death?

[tod evans]

isnt treason punishable by death?

Yup

[Margo37]

Get a hold of your senators and congresspersons to start Impeachment procedures!!!!

10 votes

Yesterday Rep. Walter Jones, republican of North Carolina, introduced H. Concurrent Resolution 107, which calls on the House, the Senate Concurring, to do the following:

http://larouchepac.com/node/21920


(borrowed from Daily Paul altho' I heard about it elsewhere originally)

[Lishy]

Wow, he's such a liar, trying to dodge the question. He basically said we only need congressional approval if the international community isn't involved.

[teacherone]

Wow, he's such a liar, trying to dodge the question. He basically said we only need congressional approval if the international community isn't involved.

no he didn't.

he said the president is king and does what ever he wants.

[Tinnuhana]

What would happen if Ron came out and called it treason? That was mentioned on a Panetta thread yesterday. Has he already intimated this about other people in the past who've said such things (so nobody can accuse him of pandering to the GOP base in an electionyear)?

[jmdrake]

I've been too numbed by 20 years (or more?) of treason to be shocked by anything now. (Just realized that our government has been traitorous for nearly half my life. And the time before that I was too naive to pay attention. Sad. :( )

[Sullivan*]

Asking the fox to watch the hen-house.

The general sitting behind Panetta is part and party to this behavior.

Guess the constitution they swore to uphold is different to the one I read?
Didn't you hear? The Senate authored and passed a (secret) updated version no one else is allowed to know about. It's held in that one secret facility next to the classified even more unConstitutional version of the PATRIOT Act.

[Xhin]

What the HELL

[Monk]

I think some are blowing Panetta's statements out of proportion. Irregardless of whether interventions are right or wrong, you want to have international support in cases of non-national security matters. There is nothing strange about this.

[phill4paul]

I think some are blowing Panetta's statements out of proportion. Irregardless of whether interventions are right or wrong, you want to have international support in cases of non-national security matters. There is nothing strange about this.

Non-national security matters are not national security matters. ;)

[Monk]

Non-national security matters are not national security matters. ;)

Correct but if we are to assume such interventions were legal (as does Panetta and the services committe) then it would only be logical to recieve international support. Now if one was to look at the matter through the lense of non-interventionism , the debate would be entirely different.

[Anti Federalist]

Well...

Is it clear enough yet, to those who doubt and scoff, about who is really running the show here?

I hate to bring it up, so I keep quiet about it mostly, but right here, is why I don't get too upset about how Ron is doing "election" wise.

If he were, by some miracle, to overcome the apathy, stupidity, sloth, propaganda, fraud and "dirty tricks", the people that are really running the show, the people who say things like this in a moment of unscripted truthful clarity...these fucking people would have Ron blown away like lint before he ever got within a thousand yards of 1600 Pennsylvania avenue.

And that's a hard fucking truth that too many do not want to wake up to.

This fucking mess is not going get cleaned up at the ballot box.

[WilliamC]

It's pretty obvious what the stakes are, and I'm sure Ron Paul knows them too.

[Anti Federalist]

It's pretty obvious what the stakes are, and I'm sure Ron Paul knows them too.

I've heard him say as much, on more than one occasion.

One of the reasons I have nothing but respect for that man.

Courage. Integrity. Honesty.

[MsDoodahs]

Well...

Is it clear enough yet, to those who doubt and scoff, about who is really running the show here?

I hate to bring it up, so I keep quiet about it mostly, but right here, is why I don't get too upset about how Ron is doing "election" wise.

If he were, by some miracle, to overcome the apathy, stupidity, sloth, propaganda, fraud and "dirty tricks", the people that are really running the show, the people who say things like this in a moment of unscripted truthful clarity...these fucking people would have Ron blown away like lint before he ever got within a thousand yards of 1600 Pennsylvania avenue.

And that's a hard fucking truth that too many do not want to wake up to.

This fucking mess is not going get cleaned up at the ballot box.

Four boxes ... and three of 'em are worthless.

[DamianTV]

I've heard him say as much, on more than one occasion.

One of the reasons I have nothing but respect for that man.

Courage. Integrity. Honesty.

Even if he does become President, he can not shift the tide of evil back to good by himself. If he does win, we must continue to support any Real Liberty Efforts that any Liberty Minded Leader makes. Socialism is all about having someone else do it for you. Including telling you what to think. Liberty is the exact opposite, where we have to tell them to keep their Socialstic Opinions to themselves by removing the Socialists from Office.

[flightlesskiwi]

Well...

Is it clear enough yet, to those who doubt and scoff, about who is really running the show here?

I hate to bring it up, so I keep quiet about it mostly, but right here, is why I don't get too upset about how Ron is doing "election" wise.

If he were, by some miracle, to overcome the apathy, stupidity, sloth, propaganda, fraud and "dirty tricks", the people that are really running the show, the people who say things like this in a moment of unscripted truthful clarity...these fucking people would have Ron blown away like lint before he ever got within a thousand yards of 1600 Pennsylvania avenue.

And that's a hard fucking truth that too many do not want to wake up to.

This fucking mess is not going get cleaned up at the ballot box.

read it. let it soak in.

we have 2 standing armies.

one deployed as foreign mercenaries. under the guise of "national security" and sometimes even "humanitarianism" their mission is to create chaos all across the globe so that TPTB can fill in the power vacuums war creates in order to shape/reshape geopolitical situations, enslaving the world one sovereign country at a time.

one is deployed here. under the guise of "protect and serve" they are the judge and jury-- sometimes executioner-- used to enforce the thousands of laws and regulations, thus enslaving the citizens one sovereign citizen at a time.

both, in reality, serve to protect an utterly corrupted system.

both organizations-- leadership especially-- are emboldened every day.

this is going to end badly.

[Anti Federalist]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to flightlesskiwi again.

Fight or flight
Fight or flight
Fight or flight
Fight or flight
Fight or flight

My nerves are fucking shot...


read it. let it soak in.

we have 2 standing armies.

one deployed as foreign mercenaries. under the guise of "national security" and sometimes even "humanitarianism" their mission is to create chaos all across the globe so that TPTB can fill in the power vacuums war creates in order to shape/reshape geopolitical situations, enslaving the world one sovereign country at a time.

one is deployed here. under the guise of "protect and serve" they are the judge and jury-- sometimes executioner-- used to enforce the thousands of laws and regulations, thus enslaving the citizens one sovereign citizen at a time.

both, in reality, serve to protect an utterly corrupted system.

both organizations-- leadership especially-- are emboldened every day.

this is going to end badly.

[Immortal Technique]

Panetta Publicly Admits U.S. Military/Obama Takes It's Orders from The U.N
Corporate news discusses contraception and rush limbaugh

America is in deep doo doo

[pcosmar]

Fight or flight
Fight or flight
Fight or flight
Fight or flight
Fight or flight

...
And there ain't nowhere to run.....

[Anti Federalist]

And there ain't nowhere to run.....

The primary reason my nerves are shot.

Were there a place to go, I'd have been gone like a fart in a blizzard.

[anaconda]

I hope Dr. Paul absolutely HARPS on this in each and every cable "news" interview that he does in the near future.

[flightlesskiwi]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to flightlesskiwi again.

Fight or flight
Fight or flight
Fight or flight
Fight or flight
Fight or flight

My nerves are fucking shot...


both.

guerrilla style.

[Anti Federalist]

both.

guerrilla style.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51zHdt052FL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Getting-Out-Leaving-Expanded-Self-reliance/dp/1934170291/lewrockwell#_

[Shorty Dawkins]

The Constitution is dead. When that sinks in to enough people's minds, perhaps something can be done. Until then, it is the same old pile of doggy-doo. Turn off your TVs. They are programming your minds to accept slavery. The shows are called "programs" for a reason. JFK tried to speak a small part of the truth. He was killed for it. They use murder and threats to control all important areas of our lives. Some will scoff at this idea, but it is truth. It is time for people to wake up, refuse the "programming" and think for themselves. Yes, thinking takes work, but slavery is harder work.

Shorty Dawkins

[JK/SEA]

TREASON.

[JK/SEA]

//

[Standing Liberty]

As a veteran, I am disgusted that those Officers would even stand for this. It is clear that our Constitution is not taken seriously, nor has it been for awhile. Panetta's admitting that the U.S. Military gets its authority from the UN is Treason and all Americans should be concerned. I only wish someone in Congress would get the balls to stand up to this. I am afraid we are becoming the Rome of our time. Our Republic is at a cross roads right now. Follow the path of Freedom and the Constitution through the leadership of Ron Paul, or fade into history as a broken dictatorship run by globalist vampires who view our sovereignty as a pest.

[Shorty Dawkins]

None of those who are in position to try these people for treason dare to do it, for they know their career, and possibly their life, would be in danger. We, the people, must rise up and demand they be tried for treason. Regardless of party, regardless of religion, race, or ethnicity, actions such as these, (the bailouts are another), are pure treason. It is high time the issue is discussed, and our grievances be heard. We must not tire in our efforts. We must not lose hope. Many thousands have died in combat thinking they were protecting the freedom of their country, families and neighbors. The grand deception is being exposed. It is we who must stand for something besides our toys. I will not give up. What about you?

Shorty Dawkins

[presence]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51zHdt052FL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg



Where are you going to go? Libya? There is nothing free left.

This isn't nato taking over the US... panetta's statement is just another face of global-legalism taking over the world.

[Xhin]

It does make sense that if you have a military undertaking composed of an international coalition that you would seek international permission.

The problem I see is that the people in the video basically said that the US refusing to abide by international law is illegal and that international organizations should be consulted first before deciding whether an action should be done with or without Congressional support. This is basically tantamount to the US military being under the rule of the UN and NATO, rather than to elected officials of the actual US. This is very troubling.

If I'm wrong, tell me.

[Shorty Dawkins]

All political office holders, members of the military and many bureaucrats swear an Oath to the Constitution. Breaking that Oath is treason, pure and simple. They can try to hide behind the facade of expediency, as they usually do, but the fact is that they have broken their Oath.

Shorty Dawkins

[Anti Federalist]

Where are you going to go? Libya? There is nothing free left.

This isn't nato taking over the US... panetta's statement is just another face of global-legalism taking over the world.

I know...I know...I know.

[sailingaway]

Not that I agree with this, but here is how it will be justified.

The Senate never ratified a treaty putting our generals under them.

[JK/SEA]

Treason is punishable by a $250.00 fine, and can be appealed.

oops...sorry. thats only if you are in the Presidents cabinet....its in the small print.

[LibertyEagle]

Not that I agree with this, but here is how it will be justified.

However, that does not say that treaties trump the Constitution and they most certainly do not. Judge Napolitano talked about that once.

[LibertyEagle]

The Constitution is dead. When that sinks in to enough people's minds, perhaps something can be done. Until then, it is the same old pile of doggy-doo. Turn off your TVs. They are programming your minds to accept slavery. The shows are called "programs" for a reason. JFK tried to speak a small part of the truth. He was killed for it. They use murder and threats to control all important areas of our lives. Some will scoff at this idea, but it is truth. It is time for people to wake up, refuse the "programming" and think for themselves. Yes, thinking takes work, but slavery is harder work.

Shorty Dawkins

Yeah, he was so very much for national sovereignty. That is why he wanted to disarm our country in favor of a UN Army. :rolleyes:


On September 25, 1961, President Kennedy unveiled at the United Nations a plan which was subsequently printed as State Department Publication 7277, entitled Freedom From War: The United States Program for General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World. The plan called for the “disbanding of all national armed forces … other than those required to preserve internal order and for contributions to a United Nations Peace Force,” and the “elimination from national arsenals of all armaments … other than those required for a United Nations Peace Force and for maintaining internal order.” According to the plan, once implemented, “no state [including the U.S.] would have the military power to challenge the progressively strengthened U.N. Peace Force.”

http://www.worldinbalance.net/pdf/1961-freedomfromwar.pdf

[LibertyEagle]

Long-term Goal of a United Nations Standing Army Behind the Syria Solution


Art Thompson discusses Council on Foreign Relations manipulation of Egypt; the long-term goal of a United Nations standing army behind the Syria solution; and how Herbert Hoover confirmed FDR's complicity in forcing the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOmmAQLbjnA&

[anaconda]

Is it just me, or does this fellow linked to in the OP questioning Panetta, with the name "Sessions" in front of him, actually not sound or look quite like the Pete Sessions in the video here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyLpDEg8rnU

[anaconda]

One of my problems with this was that the Congressman never really asked the right question as far as I am concerned. It sounded like there was a bit of a disconnect. Assuming that the U.S. Congress has declared a war, it still seems reasonable to follow international law if the U.S. wants a coalition of nations to participate with us. I couldn't help but think that Panetta, in his apparent deceitful and deflective denial, kept answering the latter half of this question, but without explicitly accepting the constitutional precondition. I think if you listen carefully, the Congressman never actually asks Panetta if the U.S. can go to war with soley international approval. I found it maddening that the Congressman couldn't pose this question explicitly. Panetta was being evasive and needed to be pinned down better. And I wish the Congressman would have asked how Libya posed an imminent threat to U.S. national security. Maybe he asked all of these things and it just wasn't in this video.

[anaconda]

Just realized that our government has been traitorous for nearly half my life.

Wow. So you're, like, 400 years old....

[PaulConventionWV]

I think some are blowing Panetta's statements out of proportion. Irregardless of whether interventions are right or wrong, you want to have international support in cases of non-national security matters. There is nothing strange about this.

1. Panetta was clearly dismissing the Constitutional authority, which is the sole provider of authority for war. He wasn't clarifying an "international support" issue. He was talking about actually getting permission and authorization from the UN and NATO. That is clearly against the Constitution.
2. There is no such word as "irregardless." Please learn the English language.

[Carson]

Maybe that Don Quixote guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote) was right!

[flightlesskiwi]

///

[eduardo89]

Maybe that Don Quixote guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote) was right!

In before Danke's "never trust a spaniard" comment.

[Shorty Dawkins]

[QUOTE=LibertyEagle;4264268]Yeah, he was so very much for national sovereignty. That is why he wanted to disarm our country in favor of a UN Army. :rolleyes:

Notice I said "part of the truth". Kennedy was no great savior, but he did want to do certain things, like have the Treasury create money. He was not one of the "gang". He bucked the power of the CIA, Federal Reserve and Mafia, and lost.

Shorty

[dancjm]

1. Panetta was clearly dismissing the Constitutional authority, which is the sole provider of authority for war. He wasn't clarifying an "international support" issue. He was talking about actually getting permission and authorization from the UN and NATO. That is clearly against the Constitution.
2. There is no such word as "irregardless." Please learn the English language.

Irregardless:

Some people mistakenly use irregardless when they mean “regardless.” Regardless means “regard less,” “without regard,” or despite something. For example, Squiggly will eat chocolate regardless of the consequences.

The prefix ir- (i-r) is a negative prefix, so if you add the prefix ir to a word that's already negative like regardless, you're making a double-negative word that literally means “without without regard.”

Language experts speculate that irregardless comes from a combination of the words regardless and irrespective and that another reason people might say "irregardless" is that they are following the pattern of words like irregular and irreplaceable. But regardless already has the -less suffix on the end, so it's not like those other words.

[Athan]

Can we get him arrested with the NDAA? This sounds more like a case of treason. Congress just had a coup of their power over the US military forces and equipment.

[Diurdi]

At first I thought this was just a sensationalist topic, and was almost confirmed of it while listening to that first General Demspey speak. He merely indicated that they would also seek support from international organizations, but that their refusal would not have any legal effect on the actions of the US. That international "permission" would just be an added extra to support the US military and to sort of figure out what others thought about it.

But then Panetta.... just wow. Seek international permission first, then debate whether to seek permission from congress or just go to war without it.

[LibertyEagle]

Yeah, he was so very much for national sovereignty. That is why he wanted to disarm our country in favor of a UN Army. :rolleyes:

Notice I said "part of the truth". Kennedy was no great savior, but he did want to do certain things, like have the Treasury create money. He was not one of the "gang". He bucked the power of the CIA, Federal Reserve and Mafia, and lost.

Shorty

Sorry, that is not true.

http://liberty911.us/html/the_jfk_myth.html