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A. Havnes
03-07-2012, 10:25 AM
This came in my mailbox yesterday, so for those of you who are assuming that you'll just try again in 2016, are wondering if Ron Paul is in it til the end, or if you feel we're finished now and you should give up, this is for you. It's not over until it's over, and I'd like to share this letter with you. Emphasis in bold is mine.


Dear (ME),

We have not yet begun to fight.

Most of our opponents for the Republican nomination for President are long gone. Our grassroots campaign and message have kept us in the race, kept us winning delegates, and kept our fight for liberty moving forward.

I have one goal left, and it is one for which I will need your advice - and if you agree - your support.

I won't mince words. Without you behind me, there is no way I can take this fight all the way to the GOP Convention in August.

So I am asking today: WIll you fight with me all the way to the finish line?

I've enclosed and URGENT SUPPORT BALLOT, where you can give me your answer. I hope you will fill it out and send it back to me right away.

And if your answer is YES, fight to the very end, then I hope you will also include your most generous contribution today.

I always believe you should have the whole picture, as one of my most loyal supporters. So here it is: Our campaign will not have enough delegates to win the Republican nomination on the first ballot in August.

But - and this is very important - it is also very possible NO ONE will have enough delegates. And then the fun really begins.

There is no way to predict what will happen at that point. But I can tell you this - the GOP will have to hear our message. They will have to hear our voices. And they may well finally come to their senses and push our campaign over the top.

You see, people are waking up to our message of limited government, sound money, and a constitutional foreign policy. In fact, our views are now really mainstream among Republicans.

And in the past few years, our government has helped our cause by making it abundantly clear how right our views are.

We spent the past few years talking about an out-of-control Fed - well, you and I saw what happened with the bailouts and the doubling of our money supply.

I warned of our out-of-control government, with its 500 billion dollar deficits. Even I never imagined those would TRIPLE in just 2 years.

Our nation is now truly on a path that will cause the very destruction of our economy, our currency, and our way of life, if you and I don't act today.

The federal budget deficit is now over 1.5 trillion dollars per year. That was the ENTIRE BUDGET just 20 years ago.

Thanks to the same old tax-and-spend politicians - Big Government politicians of both parties - you and I have accumulated over 15 TRILLION dollars in debt - not counting future entitlement spending that's already "locked in."

The interest alone is over 33 billion dollars a month!

But instead of cutting spending, our so-called "leaders" are simply using the same old smoke and mirror tricks - whistling past the graveyard of our economy.

Like you, I understand that all the madness we're witnessing right now in Washington isn't just an attack on our economy.

I believe that if we fail to address our fiscal problems in the very near future, we will never recover as a nation.

This out-of-control debt isn't just an attack on our wallets - it's an attack on our liberties.

As we all know - when government grows, freedom shrinks.

I believe we need to return to the principles embedded in the United States Constitution.

That's why I want to continue to work to:

Stop the spread of socialist, Big Government health care;

Stop the growth of federal spending, restrictive regulations, and government interference in our lives;

Audit the Federal Reserve, which I believe will serve as an important first step toward finally ending the Fed once and for all;

Ensure the federal government returns to its constitutional limits by eliminating departments and agencies that are not authorized by the Constitution;

Ensure a new, more humble, constitutional foreign policy for our nation. We cannot be the world's policeman. We should not engage in "Nation-Building." We cannot afford trillion-dollar international boondoggles that cost us our lives, our fortunes, and our freedom;

Repeal Big Government schemes like the Patriot Act.

Fellow Patriot, these are all positions we can and will fight for at the Republican National Convention in August.

There is the potential that our campaign itself could prevail, and we could win a brokered convention.

But even if we do not, we can insist the Party itself adopt many of these positions as the official stances of the Party and candidates all across the country.

I can hardly tell you how important that would be - and how far our message will have come if either of these things happen.

So I am asking you to stand with me today. I am asking you to fight side by side with me for our message, our values, and our REVOLUTION.

It will take a lot more effort on my part and on the part of my staff and volunteers. And it will take at least 10 million more dollars in the next 90 days.

That is a huge undertaking. But I know I can count on you, my grassroots army, to make it happen.

Can you help our efforts move forward with your maximum possible contribution? I'd certainly appreciate it.

Needless to say, I've donated and will send my envelope back today. Do you hear your marching orders? Make the brokered convention happen! Force the GOP to take us seriously, and make sure our nation doesn't head down an irreversable path to destruction!

I've said before this race is crucial because the damage that could be done is beyond repair, and that the natural answer to a collapse wouldn't be like how the Soviets reacted, who have begun to reverse their socialist traditions; it would be more globalization. Think seriously about that before you throw in the towel.

bluesc
03-07-2012, 10:28 AM
Right. This should please our lovely resident "realists".

Now everyone becomes delegates for other candidates and pray for a brokered convention. Sounds fun.

Remember, sign up to volunteer and sign up to become a delegate on the campaign site: http://www.ronpaul2012.com

Muttley
03-07-2012, 10:30 AM
+rep...thanks for soldiering on with us, Soldier! ;)

FSP-Rebel
03-07-2012, 10:30 AM
Onward! We have it easy compared to those that stood with Washington at Valley Forge in the freezing cold with inadequate attire. Invest in liberty now while the money still has some purchasing power left.

harikaried
03-07-2012, 10:34 AM
The big question is if Gingrich and Santorum delegates will choose Paul over Romney on the second ballot. And perhaps equally important is how many bound delegates actually want to vote for Paul but cannot on the first ballot (e.g., states like Nevada and Idaho).

gerryb
03-07-2012, 10:37 AM
The money IS NOT being used on a "delegate strategy"

We can't even get money to send automated voicemails to our list of donors telling them how to file to be a delegate($20 to hit our whole list). Instead the campaign wastes the time of 10 volunteers making calls, and buys them $60 worth of pizza.

To pursue the delegate strategy requires YOU to PERSONALLY get involved.

jbauer
03-07-2012, 10:39 AM
Does anyone have a donations to date for the campaing? He's talking $112k a day or roughly 3/4 of millon a week. Didn't the last money bomb only do $2-3m over a 2 week time?

A brokered convention doesn't give us a chance to claim the nomination without wins. It does give us a chance to negotiate where we may or may not get the results we all so desperatley want. Is this the best way to spend money or should we be investing in House and Senate seats? I'm all about the message. My guess is we have 3-5 yrs left in this house of cards.

BUSHLIED
03-07-2012, 10:39 AM
Yeah, the email sounds great BUT where do the actions line up with those words? Constantly feel strung along.

azxd
03-07-2012, 10:43 AM
I got a letter like this back in 08 ... Not to throw cold water on the situation, but not long after I sent a check, he dropped out of the race.

Sending another check NOW, and hoping we don't have a repeat.

Kodaddy
03-07-2012, 10:43 AM
Kansas is up next...let's do this!

A. Havnes
03-07-2012, 10:44 AM
Does anyone have a donations to date for the campaing? He's talking $112k a day or roughly 3/4 of millon a week. Didn't the last money bomb only do $2-3m over a 2 week time?

A brokered convention doesn't give us a chance to claim the nomination without wins. It does give us a chance to negotiate where we may or may not get the results we all so desperatley want. Is this the best way to spend money or should we be investing in House and Senate seats? I'm all about the message. My guess is we have 3-5 yrs left in this house of cards.

The money is being used to run ads and send mailings in the remaining states. I think Ron Paul is still looking for a win somewhere.

It'll be necessary to get some delegates for Gingrich and Santorum to jump aboard the Ron Paul bandwagon. To help, I've written up a document meant to appeal to socially conservative delegates voting for Santorum. This will make them think twice about their candidate, and I've used it already to get some of our delegates thinking about Ron Paul. http://www.mediafire.com/?i08i06oqblq3hu4

RabbitMan
03-07-2012, 10:46 AM
Where is the donation ticker? =/

The Binghamton Patriot
03-07-2012, 10:49 AM
we need to plan money bombs, no doubt about that. I suggest we get some threads going and dates, and settle on a few by the week. we can't afford to sit here and argue anymore. We do need to keep the campaign funded, but I don't see us hitting ten million unfortunately

BUSHLIED
03-07-2012, 10:58 AM
Kansas is up next...let's do this!

If Kansas is up next, then Ron should be in Kansas until the end of voting. It's that simple now. You have all the data from the exit polling. Rally your base and reach out to seniors and white evangelicals etc...

azxd
03-07-2012, 11:01 AM
we need to plan money bombs, no doubt about that. I suggest we get some threads going and dates, and settle on a few by the week. we can't afford to sit here and argue anymore. We do need to keep the campaign funded, but I don't see us hitting ten million unfortunately
And herein lies the problem that plagued him in 08

I don't mean to be down, but I'm not sure we can fund him to the end, and money is not as freely available as it was in 08 :(

Send what you can, and hope for the best !!

I like surprises, and citizens are always capable of creating surprising outcomes.

RonPaul101.com
03-07-2012, 11:08 AM
The big question is if Gingrich and Santorum delegates will choose Paul over Romney on the second ballot. And perhaps equally important is how many bound delegates actually want to vote for Paul but cannot on the first ballot (e.g., states like Nevada and Idaho).

That's my main concern:

Let's say the delegates entering August roughly go as:

Romney 900
Santorum 700
Paul 400
Gingrich 200

...Won't Ricky and Mitt work things out on their own and still just forget us for the second vote? Or another "out" for the establishment is if Newt and Mitt collectively add up to 1144, because they could certainly cut deals (Newt is THE biggest sell out ever).

We need to lay the delegate ground so at the very least Newt and Mitt can't combine to 1144. that only leaves Ricky to cut deals with besides us and if he's that close he won't want to just lay it down. Newt is only still in this race so that HE can be king maker in addition to Paul.

I still don't see how we can convince enough delegates to come our way to get Paul to 1144, seeing as much much we are beloved by this party of the overly-religious elderly. :rolleyes:

Gray Fullbuster
03-07-2012, 11:08 AM
Bumped, repped and ordered you all the ice cream in the world.

RonPaul101.com
03-07-2012, 11:12 AM
we need to plan money bombs, no doubt about that. I suggest we get some threads going and dates, and settle on a few by the week. we can't afford to sit here and argue anymore. We do need to keep the campaign funded, but I don't see us hitting ten million unfortunately

Maybe we do a Puerto Rico aimed MB to try and win that contest? Problem is, you give money to the campaign for a good purpose and they buy ads in Michigan. I think 2016 will see the vast organization of Super PAC's pushing us to better strategy. RPFs could have their own SP and take a poll on how to best spend it. Each early state could have their own SPAC with the intent to spend the money IN THAT STATE ONLY and then donors can give the the state they feel strategically best suits the effort.

We've learned the campaign makes big mistakes in this area, so I look forward to a movement that spreads the power around a bit and campaign funding only goes to travel and such, while SPACs do all the ads.

Ivash
03-07-2012, 11:15 AM
Ten million? Wow... that's a lot of money.

cindy25
03-07-2012, 11:18 AM
That's my main concern:

Let's say the delegates entering August roughly go as:

Romney 900
Santorum 700
Paul 400
Gingrich 200

...Won't Ricky and Mitt work things out on their own and still just forget us for the second vote? Or another "out" for the establishment is if Newt and Mitt collectively add up to 1144, because they could certainly cut deals (Newt is THE biggest sell out ever).

We need to lay the delegate ground so at the very least Newt and Mitt can't combine to 1144. that only leaves Ricky to cut deals with besides us and if he's that close he won't want to just lay it down. Newt is only still in this race so that HE can be king maker in addition to Paul.

I still don't see how we can convince enough delegates to come our way to get Paul to 1144, seeing as much much we are beloved by this party of the overly-religious elderly. :rolleyes:

make it clear in the only way they would understand; nominate Romney and it's 3rd party; 3rd party = Obama term 2. make the bastards have 2 choices : Paul or Obama.

Gray Fullbuster
03-07-2012, 11:20 AM
make it clear in the only way they would understand; nominate Romney and it's 3rd party; 3rd party = Obama term 2. make the bastards have 2 choices : Paul or Obama.

That's what I've been saying. I think he's literally going to take the GOP "hostage."
We just need to make that brokered convention happen.


You ALL have your orders. Make it happen in anyway.

HOLLYWOOD
03-07-2012, 11:24 AM
...But - and this is very important - it is also very possible NO ONE will have enough delegates. And then the fun really begins.I wouldn't call it fun, more like, "This is when the EVIL begins. These candidates and their groups will conduct every fraudulent act to win the nomination. $100's of millions of dollars have been spent, racketeering, voter fraud, corruption, conspiracy, collusion, bribery, and racketeering to win the public's vote. But we do have a chance, because when you make it to this round, the Fascist corporate Main Stream Media does NOT have the influence of their propaganda in fooling the delegates as they commonly do with the unknowing American citizens. We need everyone to be proactive, prepared for the nastiest fight on the floor of the convention center in Tampa FL, for politics is the most corrupt and filthiest operation in America today."

The campaign needs to have every single delegate prepared... you don't think it happens at the natioonal convention? Take a look at history during the late 40s and the 50s... Their were planned sabotaging of delegates, outright fights on the floor and it wasn't one or two people, it was gangs purposely planned to stop any rallies or support for a particular candidate, that wasn't part of "The establishment corrupt system"

seawolf
03-07-2012, 11:27 AM
This letter from the Campaign in the mail had to be written two weeks ago. Does it have a date?

They obviously knew that Super Tuesday's results would be dismal.

If you want to follow the Daily Ron Paul Donations Received by the Campaign on-line you can go to:

http://schiff.depositwiz.com/

I do admire their candid assessment. Ron Paul will not win on the first ballot, actually will not win at all. The message and how the Liberty Movement can affect the Platform is the key.

Do you want to say on board for that?? or move on??

unknown
03-07-2012, 11:27 AM
Arent we looking very good in CA?

azxd
03-07-2012, 11:28 AM
I wouldn't call it fun, more like, "This is when the EVIL begins. These candidates and their groups will conduct every fraudulent act to win the nomination. $100's of millions of dollars have been spent, racketeering, voter fraud, corruption, conspiracy, collusion, bribery, and racketeering to win the public's vote. But we do have a chance, because when you make it to this round, the Fascist corporate Main Stream Media does NOT have the influence of their propaganda in fooling the delegates as they commonly do with the unknowing American citizens. We need everyone to be proactive, prepared for the nastiest fight on the floor of the convention center in Tampa FL, for politics is the most corrupt and filthiest operation in America today."

The campaign needs to have every single delegate prepared... you don't think it happens at the natioonal convention? Take a look at history during the late 40s and the 50s... Their were ouitright fights on the floor and it wasn't one or two people, it was gangs purposely planned to stop any rallies for any candidate that wasn't part of "The establishment system"Get me this, and I'll get you that ... Unfortuately, that's how it works, and Ron don't play that game.

azxd
03-07-2012, 11:30 AM
This letter from the Campaign in the mail had to be written two weeks ago. Does it have a date?

They obviously knew that Super Tuesday's results would be dismal.

If you want to follow the Daily Ron Paul Donations Received by the Campaign on-line you can go to:

http://schiff.depositwiz.com/

I do admire their candid assessment. Ron Paul will not win on the first ballot, actually will not win at all. The message and how the Liberty Movement can affect the Platform is the key.

Do you want to say on board for that?? or move on??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEOets_L7vg

unknown
03-07-2012, 11:38 AM
The campaign is effing serious. They would NOT be asking for your money if they didnt think they could win.

We cannot effing stop. There is too much at stake.

I dont think people get it. The economy will collapse and we will be living in a TSA/NDAA/SOPA type dystopia. And the laws are only going to get MORE draconian. Who else is going to repeal the Patriot Act, TSA or NDAA? NO ONE. And make no mistake about it, after the election, they will clamp down on the internet.

Some people actually think that the liberty movement will grow and flourish. Im telling you that if we dont get Ron Paul into the White House this year, we are going to see darkness like never before fall over America and the rest of the World.

I am not joking. This is not hype or over reaction. This is a fact.

dancjm
03-07-2012, 11:52 AM
Come on guys, give up ur Fed Reserve notes for Liberty.

Ron is asking for paper. It's not like he's asking for gold. ;)

jeremiahj13
03-07-2012, 11:58 AM
Might be too late for me :(

Gray Fullbuster
03-07-2012, 12:25 PM
Bump, this needs to be at the top with 1836s thread with the analysis along with the vote flip thread.

Those are the 3 threads this forum should have the main focus on.

Some patriot music : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f34U-D5ubeQ

A. Havnes
03-07-2012, 12:29 PM
Come on guys, give up ur Fed Reserve notes for Liberty.

Ron is asking for paper. It's not like he's asking for gold. ;)

Definitely. I'm trying to donate all that I can.

Muwahid
03-07-2012, 12:40 PM
Pray Santorum wins a few more, and Newt's souther strategy works and our stealth delagate stealing strategy continues, with all that, we can take enough delagates from mittens for a brokered convention.

Maximus
03-07-2012, 12:47 PM
We need an endorsement from Tim Tebow.

1836
03-07-2012, 12:57 PM
We have not yet begun to fight.

A. Havnes
03-07-2012, 01:28 PM
We need an endorsement from Tim Tebow.

I'm sorry, but I've seen this name pop on a few threads now and I just want to know who he is. Is he influential?

Darthbrooklyn
03-07-2012, 01:34 PM
We have not yet begun to fight.

Well WHAT THE FK are you waiting for RON?????????????????:mad:

jbauer
03-07-2012, 01:43 PM
I'm sorry, but I've seen this name pop on a few threads now and I just want to know who he is. Is he influential?
Qb for the Broncos. Not sure if he's a supporter or not. It might help with some of the beauty contests but for the most part I see only negative consequences from thisl

pacelli
03-07-2012, 01:46 PM
Yeah, the email sounds great BUT where do the actions line up with those words?

You don't see any actions lining up with those words at ALL???

G-Wohl
03-07-2012, 01:46 PM
Qb for the Broncos. Not sure if he's a supporter or not. It might help with some of the beauty contests but for the most part I see only negative consequences from thisl

Why? People seem to either know + like Tim Tebow, or they don't give a flying fuck about organized sports and are thus indifferent.

azxd
03-07-2012, 01:50 PM
Why? People seem to either know + like Tim Tebow, or they don't give a flying fuck about organized sports and are thus indifferent.Nailed me instantly ... I don't follow corporate sports.

DO IT ... https://secure.ronpaul2012.com/

roversaurus
03-07-2012, 01:53 PM
Paul needs to look at SPENDING some money.
Hawaii is coming up. He should take his wife on a Hawaiian vacation and spend the next week there. And then spend a million dollars on TV advertising at the same time.

I'm not sending him money so that he can give it to some organization like Campaign for Liberty who's sole purpose in life is to send me emails asking for more money. After the last primary in June he should have ZERO dollars left in the bank.

DerailingDaTrain
03-07-2012, 01:59 PM
^ Costs more money than you think. Romney's campaign spent 18 million in 35 days and are in debt to the tune of a million dollars. We don't have billionaires (except Thiel) funding us and he can only give so much.

pen_thief
03-07-2012, 02:02 PM
I'm sorry, but I've seen this name pop on a few threads now and I just want to know who he is. Is he influential?

I go out of my way to avoid football and somehow I've still been force-fed the awareness of his existence.
It all started with Rick Perry's nod to him during a presidential debate.
*facepalm*

jointhefightforfreedom
03-07-2012, 02:04 PM
The Winning Strategy Here
Ron Paul or Really Start the Revolution at the convention
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?365771-THE-WINNING-STRATEGY!

joshnorris14
03-07-2012, 02:25 PM
That's my main concern:

Let's say the delegates entering August roughly go as:

Romney 900
Santorum 700
Paul 400
Gingrich 200

...Won't Ricky and Mitt work things out on their own and still just forget us for the second vote? Or another "out" for the establishment is if Newt and Mitt collectively add up to 1144, because they could certainly cut deals (Newt is THE biggest sell out ever).

We need to lay the delegate ground so at the very least Newt and Mitt can't combine to 1144. that only leaves Ricky to cut deals with besides us and if he's that close he won't want to just lay it down. Newt is only still in this race so that HE can be king maker in addition to Paul.

I still don't see how we can convince enough delegates to come our way to get Paul to 1144, seeing as much much we are beloved by this party of the overly-religious elderly. :rolleyes:

That's not how the delegation process works. Candidates can't tell their bound delegates to vote for anyone. They are bound to that candidate through however many rounds as dictated by state rules. If that candidate drops out they become unbound and can vote for whoever they want. And if voting continues after the first ballot they can begin voting for whoever they want. The candidate himself doesn't control any delegates. The idea is to have Ron Paul supporters as delegates so even if they are bound to Romney, after the first round (or whatever subsequent round) of voting, they can vote for Ron Paul.

Gingrich can't just say "Yea, I'll give you my delegates Romney". Because if he does, his delegates become unbound and can vote for anyone, not just Romney.

eleganz
03-07-2012, 02:29 PM
F THE QUITTERS


CALIFORNIA IS THE LAST BATTLEGROUND AND WE HAVE THE LARGEST ARMY, HUNGRY FOR FREEDOM.

slacker921
03-07-2012, 03:44 PM
Gingrich can't just say "Yea, I'll give you my delegates Romney". Because if he does, his delegates become unbound and can vote for anyone, not just Romney.

But if he drops out just prior to the convention then his delegates are unbound. At that point they can vote in the first round for Romney and it's over.

Also remember that 250+ delegates are state party officials who are unbound.. they can vote for anyone in the first round.

I'll go to Tampa if I can.. not with any hopes of Paul winning or getting changes to The Platform that will actually be heeded by anyone, but with hopes of further cementing myself into the structure of the local GOP so I'll be in a better position to help kick the current crop of theocrats and neoconservatives out. When they lose in November we need to be there at the local meetings pointing fingers and telling them that they had their chance and blew it. They will be pushed out, and we need to be there ready to step in.

Adam Kokesh
03-07-2012, 03:45 PM
This should cheer everyone up: Veterans for Liberty Super PAC has been formed, and is taking donations for the Vets marching on the RNC part of the delegate strategy:
http://ronpaulisthechoiceofthetroops.com
(just redirects to FB page atm, will be splash page later today, full site in a couple days)

Liberty74
03-07-2012, 04:01 PM
Ten million? Wow... that's a lot of money.

I think $10M is over 90 days. Raising the money can easily be done. It's just gotta be done without me. I refuse to donate because the race is over as I predicted it would be after Super Tuesday and I don't buy this behind the wall stealth delegate game. Even if the convention is brokered, the establishment is not going to let Ron Paul advance there.

I will keep my bumper sticker on. I will still be here. I will still be spreading Ron Paul and his message of real limited government and non-interventionism abroad. The Tea Party is dead as it got co-opted and where it's people have sold out. It's why we need to take over the Indy Party. Start fresh where 30-35% of the voters are at.

Michael1928
03-07-2012, 04:03 PM
We're in this until the end, and if the GOP won't listen, we will take them hostage.

joshnorris14
03-07-2012, 04:03 PM
But if he drops out just prior to the convention then his delegates are unbound. At that point they can vote in the first round for Romney and it's over.

Also remember that 250+ delegates are state party officials who are unbound.. they can vote for anyone in the first round.


It's not 250+, it's 119 delegates that are unbound and party officials.

And, right, which is why we want Ron Paul supporters as delegates. Just because they are bound to Gingrich DOES NOT mean they support him. If they are Ron Paul supporting Gingrich delegates, do you think they'll vote for Romney when they become unbound.

Matthew Zak
03-07-2012, 04:08 PM
I'm feeling burnt out by this process. I have too much of a headache to even make sense of it.

Will someone write a concise, motivational message explaining exactly what our mission is? I feel like I'm covered in blood and woozy after beating my head against the wall for the last 4 years.

I don't mean Tom Woods concise. Or even Adam Kokesh concise.

I mean... could be said in 20 seconds or less. One paragraph.

A mission statement that a child wouldn't have trouble understanding.

sailingaway
03-07-2012, 04:15 PM
That's my main concern:

Let's say the delegates entering August roughly go as:

Romney 900
Santorum 700
Paul 400
Gingrich 200

...Won't Ricky and Mitt work things out on their own and still just forget us for the second vote? Or another "out" for the establishment is if Newt and Mitt collectively add up to 1144, because they could certainly cut deals (Newt is THE biggest sell out ever).

We need to lay the delegate ground so at the very least Newt and Mitt can't combine to 1144. that only leaves Ricky to cut deals with besides us and if he's that close he won't want to just lay it down. Newt is only still in this race so that HE can be king maker in addition to Paul.

I still don't see how we can convince enough delegates to come our way to get Paul to 1144, seeing as much much we are beloved by this party of the overly-religious elderly. :rolleyes:

You're assuming Rick's delegates want to vote for Romney, assuming their deal goes that way, or vice versa. Remember, bound on the first vote doesn't mean 'bound to do whatever the candidate says', it means bound to vote for that candidate on the first vote. If they want you to vote for anyone else, they have to unbind you.

I'm not trying to say a win under the situation you describe is likely. But it is theoretically possible, even with a deal between others, so long as no one gets enough bound delegates to take the nomination on the first vote.

Feelgood
03-07-2012, 04:23 PM
I got a letter like this back in 08 ... Not to throw cold water on the situation, but not long after I sent a check, he dropped out of the race.

Sending another check NOW, and hoping we don't have a repeat.

Honestly, I have had a sickening similar feeling myself. Like Ron has already either written, gone over in his head, or already recorded his dropping out video. Last time I thought he was serious about going to the convention, all the way. Instead at the last moment, BOOM its all over. Every day I keep waiting for that damn hammer to fall. :(

jbuttell
03-08-2012, 03:10 PM
Right. This should please our lovely resident "realists".

Ahh, you mean those self-righteous people who claim to have it all figured out? The ones that live in the "real" world?

Revolution9
03-08-2012, 03:16 PM
I think $10M is over 90 days. Raising the money can easily be done. It's just gotta be done without me. I refuse to donate because the race is over as I predicted it would be after Super Tuesday and I don't buy this behind the wall stealth delegate game. Even if the convention is brokered, the establishment is not going to let Ron Paul advance there.

I will keep my bumper sticker on. I will still be here.

Yeah?? Well keep your shitcan attitude out of any of your further diatribes. Loser.

rev9

Revolution9
03-08-2012, 03:23 PM
Ahh, you mean those self-righteous people who claim to have it all figured out? The ones that live in the "real" world?

No self righteous poseur. Those folks who understand this ain't about soundbytes and rah rah siss boom bah we won that state nyah nyah nyah nayh nyah have a proper perspective on the long term runout of events and paradigm shifts.. If you think the real world is what is occurring on the MSM and the daily rag of your choice then you are the delusional one. The French Revolution's impact is not over even to this day...nor the American Revolution whose effects you witness in this campaign. Goddamned short sighted braincans can certainly marvel at their own pragmatism whilst those with experience at life just look at them as pessimists who always get what they want due to their POV. I don't subscribe to your miasma nor sub-stances and yer attempt at gossipmongering and name spewing certainly paints you as the self righteous dipshit here and not the folks putting their hearts, souls and monies into this effort.

Report me.


Rev9

Xhin
03-08-2012, 04:02 PM
A mission statement that a child wouldn't have trouble understanding.

To protect and restore personal and economic liberty at any cost.

economics102
03-08-2012, 04:08 PM
Onward! We have it easy compared to those that stood with Washington at Valley Forge in the freezing cold with inadequate attire. Invest in liberty now while the money still has some purchasing power left.

++++++ rep

digitaldean
03-08-2012, 04:16 PM
Look at polls for your state and become delegates for the people in first place like Santorum/Newt/Mitt. Then on the 2nd or 3rd vote in FL switch to Paul since being a Paul delegate might not even get you picked. Are people doing this? I would like to see Paul get 500 delegates on the first count, then 900 on the 2nd count, then the nomination on the 3rd. That would really shock the world lol

frodus24
03-08-2012, 04:32 PM
FUCK the GOP. I recently read the unauthorized autobiography of Ron Paul and the majority of the GOP hate him. All the little dirty tricks to keep him out of Washington failed. HE is the prophet today that has been so right about so many things. I used to live in denial everyday. I woke up. I smacked myself around. I have seen the light. The country is headed off of a cliff and the majority of Americans are more concerned with who is cheating on who in Hollywood. It makes me vomit. I am laughed at and told I am crazy because of my visions. I am laughed at because I believe in the true value of gold and silver. People think my "End the Fed" t-shirt is about abolishing the federal government. I am fucking pissed.

Ron Paul must get to the convention. We will be heard because the GOP has no choice. If they do not listen, then unfortunately, I feel that it's game over. I will continue to donate. I will continue to believe in Ron. He changed my life, my philosophy and how I view the world. I owe him for having the balls to stand up before Congress and speak the truth. I owe him for being laughed at on national television. I owe him for having a backbone and being a true statesman. I owe him for standing up for Freedom, Peace and Prosperity. We all owe him. He has spent nearly 30 years standing up for US.

The Revolution must continue.

coffeewithchess
03-08-2012, 04:35 PM
I'm just leaving this thread link here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?365491-Want-a-BROKERED-convention

RickyJ
03-08-2012, 04:39 PM
The GOP does take Ron Paul seriously, that is why they commit massive voter fraud against him. If he doesn't win the brokered convention, then I sure hope he runs third party. This letter makes it seem likely that he will do exactly that if he doesn't win the nomination.

Butchie
03-08-2012, 04:40 PM
Does anyone have a donations to date for the campaing? He's talking $112k a day or roughly 3/4 of millon a week. Didn't the last money bomb only do $2-3m over a 2 week time?

A brokered convention doesn't give us a chance to claim the nomination without wins. It does give us a chance to negotiate where we may or may not get the results we all so desperatley want. Is this the best way to spend money or should we be investing in House and Senate seats? I'm all about the message. My guess is we have 3-5 yrs left in this house of cards.

That's the question I've been asking.

Give me liberty
03-08-2012, 04:45 PM
FUCK the GOP. I recently read the unauthorized autobiography of Ron Paul and the majority of the GOP hate him. All the little dirty tricks to keep him out of Washington failed. HE is the prophet today that has been so right about so many things. I used to live in denial everyday. I woke up. I smacked myself around. I have seen the light. The country is headed off of a cliff and the majority of Americans are more concerned with who is cheating on who in Hollywood. It makes me vomit. I am laughed at and told I am crazy because of my visions. I am laughed at because I believe in the true value of gold and silver. People think my "End the Fed" t-shirt is about abolishing the federal government. I am fucking pissed.

Ron Paul must get to the convention. We will be heard because the GOP has no choice. If they do not listen, then unfortunately, I feel that it's game over. I will continue to donate. I will continue to believe in Ron. He changed my life, my philosophy and how I view the world. I owe him for having the balls to stand up before Congress and speak the truth. I owe him for being laughed at on national television. I owe him for having a backbone and being a true statesman. I owe him for standing up for Freedom, Peace and Prosperity. We all owe him. He has spent nearly 30 years standing up for US.

The Revolution must continue.

+Rep I couldn't agree more they hate him because they fear him and dont agree because Ron Paul is right.

Butchie
03-08-2012, 04:49 PM
Yeah?? Well keep your shitcan attitude out of any of your further diatribes. Loser.

rev9

Well, that comment will sure bring him back into the fold, and people wonder why they say "The trouble with Ron Paul is his supporters".

sillvergirl
03-08-2012, 05:30 PM
FUCK the GOP. I recently read the unauthorized autobiography of Ron Paul and the majority of the GOP hate him. All the little dirty tricks to keep him out of Washington failed. HE is the prophet today that has been so right about so many things. I used to live in denial everyday. I woke up. I smacked myself around. I have seen the light. The country is headed off of a cliff and the majority of Americans are more concerned with who is cheating on who in Hollywood. It makes me vomit. I am laughed at and told I am crazy because of my visions. I am laughed at because I believe in the true value of gold and silver. People think my "End the Fed" t-shirt is about abolishing the federal government. I am fucking pissed.

Ron Paul must get to the convention. We will be heard because the GOP has no choice. If they do not listen, then unfortunately, I feel that it's game over. I will continue to donate. I will continue to believe in Ron. He changed my life, my philosophy and how I view the world. I owe him for having the balls to stand up before Congress and speak the truth. I owe him for being laughed at on national television. I owe him for having a backbone and being a true statesman. I owe him for standing up for Freedom, Peace and Prosperity. We all owe him. He has spent nearly 30 years standing up for US.

The Revolution must continue. EXACTLY !!!

A. Havnes
03-09-2012, 08:53 AM
The GOP does take Ron Paul seriously, that is why they commit massive voter fraud against him. If he doesn't win the brokered convention, then I sure hope he runs third party. This letter makes it seem likely that he will do exactly that if he doesn't win the nomination.

They most certainly do take him seriously! They're terrified that this movement of ideas is taking off, and they're looking for a Paul-esque gimmick that will try and win his votes for Romney. Sorry, but Romney isn't Ron Paul, GOP!