Ron Paul Polls at 7% In Nevada...but

[curtisag]

He is only polling at 2% among women. His polling among men is a whopping 12%! The campaign must try to figure out why women are turned off on his message.

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=27922&cat=5

[GeorgiaRPFan]

I am a woman, and Ron Paul turns me on. ;)

[kylejack]

Abortion, entitlement programs, aggressive foreign policy. I don't really know how to fix it.

[Sematary]

He is only polling at 2% among women. His polling among men is a whopping 12%! The campaign must try to figure out why women are turned off on his message.

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=27922&cat=5

Have you ever wondered why it is that women are the majority in this nation but men are the majority of elected officials? It's because a majority of women don't vote. Don't worry about it.

[chrismatthews]

Have you ever wondered why it is that women are the majority in this nation but men are the majority of elected officials? It's because a majority of women don't vote. Don't worry about it.


Lol, we need to worry about it man. :)

Especially considering Paul is THE anti-war candidate, a message that usually resonates with moms around the country. There's a good amount of voters that remain untapped.

[American]

They are falling for the macho war talk, and they dont like the pro-life issue the RP supports.

[curtisag]

Last I recall, more women voted for President in 2004 than men, 51% to 49%, reflecting their larger percentage of the population.

[Benaiah]

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[JenaS62]

I am a woman, and Ron Paul turns me on. ;)



Yes me too. LOL

But I think it could be the abortion issue. Personally I am against all abortions but I would not want to impose my views on other women - unless of course we're talking about late-term of which I am rapidly opposed.

[bbachtung]

One way to win over support from women is to emphasize the Tax Free Tips Act; women make up a disproportionate number of wait-staff, housekeepers, and hair stylists -- all people with those jobs rely on tips to survive (and sometimes even thrive). RP's campaign store has a new slim jim for tips.

Mentioning the likelihood of a draft under a neo-con president might sway some female voters, since it will be their children who will be forced to fight in Iran, Pakistan, and anywhere else that needs to be force-fed democracy.

Another avenue is the huge Mormon population in Nevada; if we can get the LDS behind the champion of the Constitution, then we will cut into a lot of Mitt's support.

[curtisag]

I think Ron Paul needs to stress that the only way to continue to afford making payments to social security is to cut back our empire. He must stress he doesn't want to put anyone out in the street that has become dependent on the gov.

[Buzz]

What GOP candidates have the most female support?

[kylejack]

What GOP candidates have the most female support?

Mitt. He has more women supporting him than men. All other Republican candidates have more men supporting them than women, and Ron Paul has the highest male:female ratio in almost all polls that release the cross tabs.

[Ron Paul Fan]

Women might vote for Hillary just because she's a woman. Yes, there are actually women out there that have told me this. :(

[framecut]

He is only polling at 2% among women. His polling among men is a whopping 12%! The campaign must try to figure out why women are turned off on his message.

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=27922&cat=5

Oh man...so many worms...

how many more cans of these need to be opened up?

Women basically like big government. Men (real ones anyways) don't.

[curtisag]

Mitt loves the women, especially multiple ones at the same time :p.

That was a low blow, I know :).

[framecut]

Mitt. He has more women supporting him than men. All other Republican candidates have more men supporting them than women, and Ron Paul has the highest male:female ratio in almost all polls that release the cross tabs.

I bet those same women you can ask them "What are Mitt's policies you like?" And couldn't get a straight answer.

[LJHudd]

Amongst all my female friends (10 or so) only myself and another one of us is interested in politics and what's happening in this election. It's frustrating and sad actually - but we're busy Mom's. Often times women (that I know anyway) vote the way their husbands do. Maybe that'll help us :)

I was just driving home and had Hannity on the radio (I know, it's a habit and it's a riot :D) He was interviewing Zogby and Rasmussen, one of them brought up Ron Paul and said we're all in for a surprise in New Hampshire! They said we all should be watching Ron Paul, watch him get a LOT of Independent votes and could get upwards of 18% in NH. They sounded very serious and excited about it, Hannity of course was (screaming inside) thinking of something witty to say to try and blow it off, something like... 'but you don't think he CAN win do you?' LOL I thought it was pretty funny, but also interesting. They were talking about Ron Paul and Obama competing for the Independent voters.

[curtisag]

Women are voting for Mitt because he looks manly? What other reason could they possibly have?

[Danny Molina]

Yes me too. LOL

But I think it could be the abortion issue. Personally I am against all abortions but I would not want to impose my views on other women - unless of course we're talking about late-term of which I am rapidly opposed.

Even though i'm not a woman I concur. Late-term abortions are barbaric to say the least.

[kylejack]

I bet those same women you can ask them "What are Mitt's policies you like?" And couldn't get a straight answer.

Its no coincidence that he's the most handsome of the Republican candidates.

[grapplerkepp]

Women are voting for Mitt because he looks manly? What other reason could they possibly have?

I was discussing Ron Paul with two other supporters at work,and a female co-worker
says: "I 'm voting for Romney he's such a sweetheart."

[DjLoTi]

I once asked a few ladies holding a Rudy Giuliani sign why they supported him. They said: "He makes me feel safe"

[quickmike]

I bet those same women you can ask them "What are Mitt's policies you like?" And couldn't get a straight answer.

His smile, and his hair............ its so "Reagany". Some women, not all, like to feel protected. True freedom and personal responsibility for themselves is a scary thought for a lot of women. Sure, there are some freedom loving women, but I think they are far outnumbered by the ones who want to feel secure through government protection of some kind. Lets just hope they dont all decide to vote this time around. LOL

[Fyretrohl]

Okay, I just received this through my meetup. I don't see it posted. Hopefully, someone else has similar confirmation...

I was just listening to Hannity in my car. He had John Zogby, from the Zogby Poll, on as a guest. They were discussing the candidates chances, mostly Hillary, in New Hamphire. SH has a theme, The STOP HILLARY EXPRESS. Suddenly JZ said, Ron Paul is splitting the independent vote with Obama.

Well if you ever listen to SH, Ron Paul's name is verboten, and you will be called names and hung up on. BUT this was a guest. JZ said Ron Paul should get 16-18% in NH and embarrass alot of top tier candidates. SH was not happy, you tell by his voice. Then SH said you don't see him winning the Rep ticket do you? And JZ said NO.

Anyway....Zogby should know what RP can expect in NH...

[heiwa]

Women are voting for Mitt because he looks manly? What other reason could they possibly have?

And the men vote for him because...?

One reason I favor Dr. Paul so much is that he is for individual rights regardless of sex, race, religion. I fully believe that I am able to do this because of the generations of women before me who spoke up against the inequality they experienced.

If there's a problem reaching women, let's not blame them for being this or that. Instead, why don't we figure out what their issues are and reach out to them.

In Peace,
Jen

[francisco]

Its no coincidence that he's the most handsome of the Republican candidates.

You mean he's better looking than Thompson?

I think we need a poll or ranking.:D

[Furis]

All I can say is lets prove them wrong on the Rep ticket.

[Fyretrohl]

The other fact here, beyond doing well in NH, is it shows why the normal polls fail to show true numbers for Ron Paul.

[AMack]

Welcome to the republican party: the party of the middle aged white male.

I'm a republican, but very conscious of the lack of diversity in my party.

[MyKillK]

One way to win over support from women is to emphasize the Tax Free Tips Act; women make up a disproportionate number of wait-staff, housekeepers, and hair stylists -- all people with those jobs rely on tips to survive (and sometimes even thrive). RP's campaign store has a new slim jim for tips.


I second that notion. I've been pushing the Tax Free Tips Act as a golden opportunity to gain support since it was released in late September.

[craezie]

I think you guys are wrong about women not liking ron because of abortion- while most of the rabid pro-choicers ARE women, you can say the same about the rabid pro-Lifers. Women care one way or another about that issue anyway -- people like me who have carried and borne a child will be attracted to the message that life is to be protected and will like that he was an OB. What can be more pro-woman. Also the fact that he has been married to one woman for 50 years, etc. etc.


The main reasons that more women are not being attracted are twofold. First, men are designing the campaign "messages" and are focusing too much on the wrong things. Abolish this, abolish that. It is a message for the way men think. Men immediately think, how can I fix this? Women are more character centered. They would be attracted to messages that didn't have that 'man' abolish this, abolish that and focus instead on how honest RP is, how he doesn't waste money, how he is such a great family man, how he treated women for free, etc. Women love the story behind the man.

You are only going to get voters from the pool who has RP's values. Women want the same things, but express themselves differently. They are the same issues, approached a different way. You should think about how to produce these kind of expressions. To say that women love big government, women love entitlements, etc. is just plain bigotry. Bigotry is not going to attract more women.

The second reason is that most women (myself excluded) are not the types to surf the net all day. Unfortunately, they often are not going to be the people reading newspapers on a daily basis either. Since this is where grassroots support has been drummed up, this is why mostly men know RP. You need to think about where to reach women. I think that they are more likely to be attracted to PEOPLE putting signs in their neighboorhood, sign waving at the grocery store, etc. Also, conservative women at home listen to a lot of talk radio.

Radio ads and local campaigns with a more character centered message -- this is how we will reach women in every state.

[davidkachel]

The day after the election we should all take up a collection to buy Sean Hannity an airline ticket to go to any country of his choosing... so long as he promises not to come back!

If this guy hates freedom so much, he really shouldn't have to suffer through it.

[Energy]

Then SH said you don't see him winning the Rep ticket do you? And JZ said NO.

What, are they fortune tellers?


The other fact here, beyond doing well in NH, is it shows why the normal polls fail to show true numbers for Ron Paul.

Yeah, we need to debunk these damn polls with real world results.

[texasbelle]

I was just listening to Hannity in my car. He had John Zogby, from the Zogby Poll, on as a guest. They were discussing the candidates chances, mostly Hillary, in New Hamphire. SH has a theme, The STOP HILLARY EXPRESS. Suddenly JZ said, Ron Paul is splitting the independent vote with Obama.

Well if you ever listen to SH, Ron Paul's name is verboten, and you will be called names and hung up on. BUT this was a guest. JZ said Ron Paul should get 16-18% in NH and embarrass alot of top tier candidates. SH was not happy, you tell by his voice. Then SH said you don't see him winning the Rep ticket do you? And JZ said NO.

Anyway....Zogby should know what RP can expect in NH...

Wow I usually listen to Hannity but I didnt today. Thats great news.

[Fyretrohl]

And, before anyone else does...No stoopid music responses...But, anyone able to get a copy of this? I know it was radio...But, SCHWEET.

[Maria]

Someone needs to get Cindy Sheehan involved. She was the mom of the dead soldier that protested the war for months and Bush refused to give her the time of day. She brought the anti-war movement to light. She can bring women together.

[Furis]

Wow I usually listen to Hannity

Ya know, I used to listen to him fairly often too, then he just started pissing me off on a daily basis.

[JMann]

Let us hope that Johnny Boy beats Obamer in Iowa and let the indie's come to Paul and let Edwards become the anti-Hillary. Because if there is any man in the world that can make W look brilliant it is Edwards, which is a good thing for Dr. Paul in the general.

[Benaiah]

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[spivey378]

sheehan will drive away any republican support. shes a nutcase.

[Triton]

He is only polling at 2% among women. His polling among men is a whopping 12%! The campaign must try to figure out why women are turned off on his message.

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=27922&cat=5Beat him with an ugly stick and name him Hillary.

[Goldwater Conservative]

I'm selling my mother (who stopped supporting the GOP years ago, but stayed registered with the party) on Paul by pointing out his foreign policy views, not just the Iraq war (which she's against), and his concern for getting inflation under control, which is a serious issue for her. And she's pro-life, so I don't even have to sway her on that.

Anyway, it is amazing that Paul is a much stronger candidate (competitive with McCain and not that far behind Giuliani) among men than in general. I think what's hurting us among women is awareness, even more than it is overall. That could be a good thing, because I do believe they're more anti-war than men.

[kylejack]

Someone needs to get Cindy Sheehan involved. She was the mom of the dead soldier that protested the war for months and Bush refused to give her the time of day. She brought the anti-war movement to light. She can bring women together.

She won't do it. I stood next to her in Fort Worth while she told a reporter that she supports Ron Paul's war stance but not his other political positions.

[DRV45N05]

16-18% is vastly underestimating what he'll do in the state, IMO. And I think as time goes on, Ron will not just split the independent vote with Obama; he will down right come to OWN the independent vote in NH. Seriously; he has a tremendous chance to take 60% or more of the independent vote, and this latest ad on privacy will do wonders for him.

I'm absolutely serious when I say this, as I have spent time up there helping the campaign on the ground and spoken with the staff in New Hampshire: I expect Ron Paul to get, at minimum, in the mid-30s when the final votes come in. However, he is fully capable of reaching the mid-late 40s, and could even hit the low-50s. His campaign is outright KICKING ASS in the state right now. Jared Chicoine is an ace, and we've got the only real field organization up there that is conducting any sort of field and ground operations. Giuliani and Romney are relying on direct mail (although Romney does have some ground organization), and McCain has completely lost the independents he had in 2000 due to the war.

[freelance]

Women might vote for Hillary just because she's a woman. Yes, there are actually women out there that have told me this. :(

Yeah, a good percentage of them are Republican women. I'm afraid that I just don't get that!

[kylejack]

If Ron Paul wins the nomination, Hannity will endorse Hillary.

[devil21]

Most women I know lean Democrat because of entitlement programs. Having Hillary running this election doesnt help. I had a convo with a friend last week about politics and she said she was a democrat because she couldn't have afforded college without federal loans and grants. She also receives aid for child care now. I asked her if she though the high costs of college and child care would be so high if the providers didn't bank on the feds paying for it. She didn't have anything to say after that.

EDIT: Regarding Romney's appeal to women (physically), I had to do a yahoo search just to see if he is even married! With other candidates putting their wives front and center, is it a coincidence that Romney's wife is no where to be seen?? I doubt it. He would lose some appeal if his wife were front and center with him.

[Furis]

If Ron Paul wins the nomination, Hannity will endorse Hillary.

While I don't think he will go that far he will be pissed.

[troyd1]

Can't wait to see who Ins-Hannity is going to support between Dr. Paul and Hillary.

[kylejack]

While I don't think he will go that far he will be pissed.

He seems to be a single-issue voter on the Iraq War. I don't see how he could not endorse her.

[daviddee]

While I don't think he will go that far he will be pissed.

He will go that far... trust me.

He will do it like this, "This election is lost. Let's start rallying the troops for 2012."

So although he will not outright endorse Hillary he will start telling his listeners that the election is lost... no need to even bother voting.

Sean's issues:

1. Israel (first and foremost)
2. Terrorism
3. Partisanship

With Hillary he gets all of his issues covered. With Dr Paul he gets none of them covered.

[Mark Rushmore]

Between Zogby and Luntz, is that two pollsters who have effectively discounted their own official results?

[francisco]

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The main reasons ... Women are more character centered. They would be attracted to messages that didn't have that 'man' abolish this, abolish that and focus instead on how honest RP is, how he doesn't waste money, how he is such a great family man, how he treated women for free, etc. Women love the story behind the man.

You are only going to get voters from the pool who has RP's values. Women want the same things, but express themselves differently. They are the same issues, approached a different way...

Radio ads and local campaigns with a more character centered message -- this is how we will reach women in every state.

I think Craezie makes some very important points here.

How can this train of thought be effectively communicated to the official campaign?

How can the Women in the Ron Paul meetups, etc. on the grassroots level make outreach efforts oriented to this principle?

I'm a guy so I'm not the best resource to answer. Maybe the Women can get a sub-forum together to develop an action plan? The gap in M/F support as documented in Nevada is a serious problem!

[Adamsa]

She won't do it. I stood next to her in Fort Worth while she told a reporter that she supports Ron Paul's war stance but not his other political positions.

Seems she has lost sight of why people listen to her then...

[ctb619]

The day after the election we should all take up a collection to buy Sean Hannity an airline ticket to go to any country of his choosing... so long as he promises not to come back!

If this guy hates freedom so much, he really shouldn't have to suffer through it.

I can't tell you how much I love this idea.

[Adam Smith]

I'm a woman (despite my username) and I like Ron Paul because he has integrity. When I hear him speak I know he is principled. I like how he doesn't pander to anyone. He says what he believes and says it forthrightly. I can't speak for EVERY woman in America, but for me it is a trust issue. I can trust Ron Paul. I think his years as an OB/GYN make him uniquely qualified in that regard. (You can't get very far in that profession without being trustworthy and able to speak to a woman in a kind and caring manner.)

But that's my issue, not everyone's, so take it for what it's worth.

[Hook]

While I don't think he will go that far he will be pissed.

I want Dr. Paul to win just to see Hannity's reaction.

[American]

Interesting i was just reading that Zogby wasnt truthful with the RP numbers..

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=27922&cat=5

What i gather from this is that RP is doing even beter then what ZOGby is reporting......


Zogby's reporting of their latest Nevada poll results was lacking in that they compared how the candidates fared in November with how they did back in April -- despite the fact that there have been 5 Nevada state polls taken by other pollsters.

Their claims of Romney and Thompson gaining in those polls contradict the results from those other 5 polls as their support was actually stronger in them.

The other story worthy of reporting is how Ron Paul is sitting above Huckabee and just under McCain in this poll at 7%. That should be major news for the Ron Paul campaign as not only does it show he is gaining traction but that his campaign is slowly establishing credibility and viability in states other than New Hampshire.

[Benaiah]

I listened to Hannity, Limbaugh, and Beck everyday for years now. This changed when I found Paul and realized how full of crap they all truly are. They are not for freedom and America, or they would back Paul.

[American]

Oh and if you listen to inSannity, you hate America!!!

[Pauliana]

JZ said Ron Paul should get 16-18% in NH and embarrass alot of top tier candidates. SH was not happy, you tell by his voice. Then SH said you don't see him winning the Rep ticket do you? And JZ said NO.

Anyway....Zogby should know what RP can expect in NH...

I love surprises. I think with all the plans afoot, we're going to have a lot of them in the future. :D

[Nash]

I'm a woman (despite my username) and I like Ron Paul because he has integrity. When I hear him speak I know he is principled. I like how he doesn't pander to anyone. He says what he believes and says it forthrightly. I can't speak for EVERY woman in America, but for me it is a trust issue. I can trust Ron Paul. I think his years as an OB/GYN make him uniquely qualified in that regard. (You can't get very far in that profession without being trustworthy and able to speak to a woman in a kind and caring manner.)

But that's my issue, not everyone's, so take it for what it's worth.

This is basically why my wife is going to vote for him. I've been indoctrinating her with Libertarian rhetoric for years now and she kept voting Green party. Now all of a sudden Ron Paul comes along and "oh look he's the greatest!" and she is going to register Republican.

WTF. I am jealous. ;)

[DealzOnWheelz]

I think you guys are wrong about women not liking ron because of abortion- while most of the rabid pro-choicers ARE women, you can say the same about the rabid pro-Lifers. Women care one way or another about that issue anyway -- people like me who have carried and borne a child will be attracted to the message that life is to be protected and will like that he was an OB. What can be more pro-woman. Also the fact that he has been married to one woman for 50 years, etc. etc.


The main reasons that more women are not being attracted are twofold. First, men are designing the campaign "messages" and are focusing too much on the wrong things. Abolish this, abolish that. It is a message for the way men think. Men immediately think, how can I fix this? Women are more character centered. They would be attracted to messages that didn't have that 'man' abolish this, abolish that and focus instead on how honest RP is, how he doesn't waste money, how he is such a great family man, how he treated women for free, etc. Women love the story behind the man.

You are only going to get voters from the pool who has RP's values. Women want the same things, but express themselves differently. They are the same issues, approached a different way. You should think about how to produce these kind of expressions. To say that women love big government, women love entitlements, etc. is just plain bigotry. Bigotry is not going to attract more women.

The second reason is that most women (myself excluded) are not the types to surf the net all day. Unfortunately, they often are not going to be the people reading newspapers on a daily basis either. Since this is where grassroots support has been drummed up, this is why mostly men know RP. You need to think about where to reach women. I think that they are more likely to be attracted to PEOPLE putting signs in their neighboorhood, sign waving at the grocery store, etc. Also, conservative women at home listen to a lot of talk radio.

Radio ads and local campaigns with a more character centered message -- this is how we will reach women in every state.




Great insight Craezie!!!

"Women are more character centered. They would be attracted to messages that didn't have that 'man' abolish this, abolish that and focus instead on how honest RP is, how he doesn't waste money, how he is such a great family man, how he treated women for free, etc. Women love the story behind the man. "

we should definitely try to bring this to HQ!!! With all the money they have right now it would be great to use some to tie down some of the woman voter base.


I think they should do a commercial with Ron and his whole family at a Family gathering(ie BBQ) and everyone of his family is having a great time!! Kinda do a montage of family photos in ascending order starting with Ron's wedding pic, then to his first children some until you get to a current full family pic 18 grandchildren and all. And mention him being an OB/GYN and maybe even throw in some pics from the babies that hes delivered. And talk about how he is the True Meaning of a Family Man with Family Values. And how al of his policies wil be put in place to take some of the stress in life off of our children for their future!!



any thoughts??

[craezie]

Well, lucky for me I found a woman who wants a man who is the leader of the household. And lucky for her, I am. I didn't even have to convert her to Paul. She just said that she has faith in me to choose the candidate that best represents us, and will vote for him.

She knows that no matter what happens, I will take care of her. She isn't going to vote for some Nimrod because he gets on TV and promises that the government will hook her up.

EGAD

Luckily, although I respect my husband and his values deeply, I am also free to think for myself. And I introduced HIM to Ron Paul. The idea that we can continue to just court men is crazy.

I'm telling you, I was already sympathetic to libertarianism, so when I learned what Ron Paul was for I liked him. But I fell in LOVE with Ron Paul when I learned what kind of man he is. Maybe we can reverse this -- if women already LOVE Ron Paul for his character, then they can't help but vote for him and spread the word.

[MadTheologian]

What i gather from this is that RP is doing even beter then what ZOGby is reporting......

ZOG?!

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z34/JS08_photos/picard.jpg

It's one thing that the Mainstream Media are acting like a bunch of jackasses; but to include that conspiracy theory?

*mumbles*
If those guys ever existed, I'd file a job application, together with the one from the Vatican. Better than a McJob...

[Lois]

Number one, women are voting for Hillary just because she's a woman.

Number two, women don't like Ron Paul because they are mostly Pro-Choice.

Number three, women are so sick of the mess the Republicans made, that they won't vote for a Republican, no way, no matter who that Republican is -- if God was a Republican, they wouldn't vote for him. That goes for a lot of people -- Republican is a dirty word - and who can blame them.

[DealzOnWheelz]

Most women that I have talked to don't wanna vote at all

DEM OR REP

[Benaiah]

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[ShowMeLiberty]

I think you guys are wrong about women not liking ron because of abortion- while most of the rabid pro-choicers ARE women, you can say the same about the rabid pro-Lifers. Women care one way or another about that issue anyway -- people like me who have carried and borne a child will be attracted to the message that life is to be protected and will like that he was an OB. What can be more pro-woman. Also the fact that he has been married to one woman for 50 years, etc. etc.


The main reasons that more women are not being attracted are twofold. First, men are designing the campaign "messages" and are focusing too much on the wrong things. Abolish this, abolish that. It is a message for the way men think. Men immediately think, how can I fix this? Women are more character centered. They would be attracted to messages that didn't have that 'man' abolish this, abolish that and focus instead on how honest RP is, how he doesn't waste money, how he is such a great family man, how he treated women for free, etc. Women love the story behind the man.

You are only going to get voters from the pool who has RP's values. Women want the same things, but express themselves differently. They are the same issues, approached a different way. You should think about how to produce these kind of expressions. To say that women love big government, women love entitlements, etc. is just plain bigotry. Bigotry is not going to attract more women.

The second reason is that most women (myself excluded) are not the types to surf the net all day. Unfortunately, they often are not going to be the people reading newspapers on a daily basis either. Since this is where grassroots support has been drummed up, this is why mostly men know RP. You need to think about where to reach women. I think that they are more likely to be attracted to PEOPLE putting signs in their neighboorhood, sign waving at the grocery store, etc. Also, conservative women at home listen to a lot of talk radio.

Radio ads and local campaigns with a more character centered message -- this is how we will reach women in every state.

+1000

Perfect assessment, craezie. As a woman who will be voting for Ron Paul (and doing as much as I can to get others to do the same), what really solidified my choice was reading about the character of the man.

Anybody can say anything - most politicians will say anything to get votes. But Ron Paul has the record of integrity and conviction to back it up.

If you want to get women interested in learning more, these are the points that must be emphasized:


He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

[JMann]

Hannity has based his career on the Iraq War. If the war fails he fails. And we all know the war can not be won in the classic term.

If Zogby had reported this news about Rudy, Hannity would of repeated it 30 times and it would of been all over his tv show. I bet you never hear it again.

[craezie]

I just had a baby, so I spent so many hours in OBGYN waiting rooms reading the same magazines over and over (HMO health insurance so they were always at least an hour behind)

Maybe someone should take out an ad in American Baby or one of those other magazines for new moms.

by the time your baby goes to kindergarten the us will be xxx in debt.
by the time your baby goes to college, social security will be bankrupt.
by the time your baby gets his first job, xx percent of his wages will go to supporting entitlement programs.

As an OBGYN, Ron Paul delivered over 4,000 babies. As President, Ron Paul can deliver yours. Vote for Ron Paul.

[DealzOnWheelz]

that is what the campaign uses but alot of people not just women aren't very politically intelligent and won't even know what some of those things are.

The key is to RELATE

RELATE TO WOMEN

[Indy Vidual]

One way to win over support from women is to emphasize the Tax Free Tips Act; women make up a disproportionate number of wait-staff, housekeepers, and hair stylists -- all people with those jobs rely on tips to survive (and sometimes even thrive). RP's campaign store has a new slim jim for tips.


This should help, plus...

It is important to tell woman the truth about abortion.
Abortion is not a Federal issue, and Ron Paul will let the individual states (or local areas) decide.

I'm pro-choice, and it would be a real shame to have this issue hold the campaign back in 2008.

[Benaiah]

Hannity has based his career on the Iraq War. If the war fails he fails. And we all know the war can not be won in the classic term.

I can, but we don't have the will to do it.

- seal the border, kill anyone that tries to come across.
- take away every gun and shoot anyone you see carrying one
- when you catch a dozen terrorist, do crazy crap in front of them, kill all except one, and cut him loose.


if all else fails, start dropping nukes.

[DealzOnWheelz]

another great idea from Craezie

if your not already deeply involved I suggest you get more involved and contact your local HQ

[American]

ZOG?!

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z34/JS08_photos/picard.jpg

It's one thing that the Mainstream Media are acting like a bunch of jackasses; but to include that conspiracy theory?

*mumbles*
If those guys ever existed, I'd file a job application, together with the one from the Vatican. Better than a McJob...

LOL, I'm certain I dont know what your talking about but it does look like I didnt capitalize the whole word, that wasnt intentional

ZOGBY!!!!

[craezie]

unfortunately, said newborn baby is regulating a lot of my "involvement" to the internet.

I do put a cute "Babies Love Ron Paul" bib on him when we go to the grocery store. No one ever noticed me when I wore my tshirts, but the baby is unbelievably cute. So this is my personal way of courting the woman vote: when all of the girls and grannies dote over my baby, they are seeing Ron Paul's name too!

[recess]

I was listening to Hannity too driving home from work. Hannity didnt say much when Zogby said that RP could take 16-18 percent in NH. His voice sounded very nervous.

[xcalybur]

We have to be making HUGE inroads here. Can you imagine 6 months ago that the head of one of the most biased national polling agencies would announce on one of these most right wing neocon agenda'd talk shows that Ron Paul will pull in 16-18% in New Hampshire?

Whoa!

[texasbelle]

I listened to Hannity, Limbaugh, and Beck everyday for years now. This changed when I found Paul and realized how full of crap they all truly are. They are not for freedom and America, or they would back Paul.

I know what you mean. I listen now for entertainment purposes. Mostly I yell back at the radio! I do sorta like the Stop Hillary Express. But if the GOP doesnt start backing Ron Paul there is no stopping Hillary. You can bet I will listen to hannity when she is elected if she goes up against anyone besides Ron Paul. Ron Paul is the only one who can stop Hillary. For some time I was worried about Fred Thompson but no way that is happening.

[DealzOnWheelz]

thats a pretty good idea

[Zeeder]

We all need to realize that if Ron Paul wins, Limbaugh(maybe) and hannity are DONE. They represent the establishment Republican party. We are taking over that party. They will be casualties of the revolution. They are partly responsible for the big government Republicanism.

We have come farther than I ever thought possible. I didn't believe there were this many freedom lovers left.

[Goldwater Conservative]

This just in: John Zogby has just been reclassified as a Ron Paul spambot living in his mother's basement. No news on how many people have so far been classified as the same spambot.

[FreeTraveler]

I just had a baby, so I spent so many hours in OBGYN waiting rooms reading the same magazines over and over (HMO health insurance so they were always at least an hour behind)

Maybe someone should take out an ad in American Baby or one of those other magazines for new moms.

by the time your baby goes to kindergarten the us will be xxx in debt.
by the time your baby goes to college, social security will be bankrupt.
by the time your baby gets his first job, xx percent of his wages will go to supporting entitlement programs.

As an OBGYN, Ron Paul delivered over 4,000 babies. As President, Ron Paul can deliver yours. Vote for Ron Paul.

Oh, I realllly like that, particularly the tag line. That could catch on, I'm tellin' ya!

[paulitics]

So his poll shows him at 6%, yet he expects 18% because of "independents". Sounds like he is admitting a flaw in his poll.

[wsc321]

If Ron Paul wins the nomination, Hannity will endorse Hillary.

:D Now THAT was funny... :-)

[MadTheologian]

LOL, I'm certain I dont know what your talking about but it does look like I didnt capitalize the whole word, that wasnt intentional

ZOGBY!!!!

No problem. Correction noted. Basically, "ZOG" is one of those coded Anti-Semitic phrases that implies the "teh Jooooos" are secretly controlling the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_Occupation_Government

Conspiracy theories are not my thing, hence the facepalm pic.

[Goldwater Conservative]

Paul really needs to have some ads that emphasize his background as an obstetrician and the fact he's a caring grandfather. I think character issues like that would help him with women.

[craezie]

i don't mind sharing my idea for the cause...

Well we need a woman with a lot of dough to put up to run an ad in a magazine like that - maybe at least one of you tech savvy types could make a youtube commercial with a cute baby. Although more youtube isn't going to reach the target audience either.

just like any marketing, the key is to pick your target and then use the part of the message that best appeals to them. thats the most effective, short simple and to the heart of what that person really cares about.

[Thunderbolt]

So his poll shows him at 6%, yet he expects 18% because of "independents". Sounds like he is admitting a flaw in his poll.

No, he is admitting what we all know. The polling methods they are using are not capturing all of Ron Paul's supporters. We have a lot more people here than just Republicans. None of those polls ever count them because it can't occur to their tiny little minds that Inds and Dems are allowed to change parties. They are convinced that people are stuck in boxes and can't get out. If you are a dem right now you can ONLY vote for a Dem and you wouldn't be capable of changing a little box to Rep so you can vote for Ron Paul.

We all know how far off the polls are.

[LibertyEagle]

Abortion, entitlement programs, aggressive foreign policy. I don't really know how to fix it.

Women want safety.

--It's is Paul's foreign policy that will increase our national security.
--It is Paul's stance on sound money that will stop the theft of our money. The same as if they were stealing it, directly out of our bank accounts.
--It is Paul's stance on true free markets, that will stop theirs and their husband's jobs from being wholesale shipped overseas through big government managed trade agreements.
--Paul has a perfect record on the 2nd amendment, so that they won't be denied the right for their husband and themselves to own a gun, for their own protection.
--All politicians say social security should be saved, but only Paul has a viable way to do so. And only Paul has never voted to spend one thin dime out of the social security fund. Should they trust those same politicians who raided the SS TRUST fund and lied to you before, with more of your money? Should you trust them not to do the very same thing AGAIN?
--Paul wants you to be able to keep your own money and choose how you want to spend it. Rather than subsidizing some fat cat bureaucrat so that they can live high on the hog and dictate the hoops you have to jump through in order to get a fraction of your own money back.

Children also need to be addressed in terms of education and health care. The deal is that parents, by in large, want more say so over how their children are raised and educated. People are misunderstanding the whole deal about the Dept. of Education. For some reason, they think if we get rid of this, there will be no more schools. That is yet another fallacy we have to dispel.

The more I think about it, the more I realize that we badly need an ad campaign that focuses on these issues and dispels the myths. People are totally misunderstanding!

[american.swan]

I bet those same women you can ask them "What are Mitt's policies you like?" And couldn't get a straight answer.

seconded.

correction...they might not want to admit that it's his good looks.

[jm1776]

I didn't believe there were this many freedom lovers left.

Me either. Regardless of the outcome it just makes my day, every day!

[traitorist]

I was listening to Hannity too driving home from work. Hannity didnt say much when Zogby said that RP could take 16-18 percent in NH. His voice sounded very nervous.

you probably couldn't hear his knees knockin' too. ;)

[deedles]

Listen, these polls are not reflecting the Ron Paul voters. They can't be. Out of 51 people at our last meetup, 5 registered republicans raised their hands when asked to, out of 50. 10 percent of our last meetup was republican. 90% that I know are voting, are something else.

Can't we start our own poll? Find out what percentage of the people on this forum are republicans? I'd like to see the real demographics. Who knows how to do that?

[Shink]

I'm selling my mother.
Wow.

[Indy Vidual]

Conspiracy theories are not my thing, hence the facepalm pic.

Yes, conspiracy theories are so harmful.
BTW, have you heard about the North American Union? ;)

[LibertyOfOne]

Listen, these polls are not reflecting the Ron Paul voters. They can't be. Out of 51 people at our last meetup, 5 registered republicans raised their hands when asked to, out of 50. 10 percent of our last meetup was republican. 90% that I know are voting, are something else.

Can't we start our own poll? Find out what percentage of the people on this forum are republicans? I'd like to see the real demographics. Who knows how to do that?

I hope it's not a closed primary state.

[paulitics]

Listen, these polls are not reflecting the Ron Paul voters. They can't be. Out of 51 people at our last meetup, 5 registered republicans raised their hands when asked to, out of 50. 10 percent of our last meetup was republican. 90% that I know are voting, are something else.

Can't we start our own poll? Find out what percentage of the people on this forum are republicans? I'd like to see the real demographics. Who knows how to do that?

25% of all RP supporters, were registered Republican or voted Republican in the last presidential primary..many polls were taken. 40% independent. 15% Democrat. 20% Libertarian.

[Galt1776]

From National Review Online:

Zogby Predicts Ron Paul Could Get 15 to 18 Percent in New Hampshire

On the Sean Hannity radio program, pollster John Zogby said that Texas Congressman Ron Paul could end up surprising the field - and "embarass a lot of the frontrunners" by wildly exceeding expectations taking 15 to 18 percent in the New Hampshire primary.

An incredulous Hannity asked, "You don't see any chance he wins this thing, do you?" Zogby said no.

A Zogby poll in September found Paul with 3 percent of the vote. Three recent polls - St. Anselm, Marist, and the Globe/University of New Hampshire have put Paul at 7 percent.


11/13 05:28 PM

[JosephTheLibertarian]

We really do need to break this single digit crap

[Mark Rushmore]

It seems to me like right now it's still entirely a battle of name recognition and viability, but come $10 mil+ on Dec 16th, we breach 10% and it turns into a battle of ideas.

That's a battle we should win hands down.

[Wyurm]

Well, Ron Paul has a good chance of winning alot more with a Zogby poll if RP supporters don't mind answering insanely invasive, personal, stupid, ridiculous, or offensive questions after they select Ron Paul.

[bootstrap]

He will go that far... trust me.

Sean's issues:

1. Israel (first and foremost)
2. Terrorism
3. Partisanship


No, Sean Hannity has one issue. He is an extreme elitist authoritarian, and his number one goal is to be one of the insider elite in a super-authoritarian government. He would rather become democrat and support hillary if necessary, though sure that would piss him off.

[Johnnybags]

Zogby Predicts Ron Paul Could Get 15 to 18 Percent in New Hampshire

On the Sean Hannity radio program, pollster John Zogby said that Texas Congressman Ron Paul could end up surprising the field - and "embarass a lot of the frontrunners" by wildly exceeding expectations taking 15 to 18 percent in the New Hampshire primary.

An incredulous Hannity asked, "You don't see any chance he wins this thing, do you?" Zogby said no.

A Zogby poll in September found Paul with 3 percent of the vote. Three recent polls - St. Anselm, Marist, and the Globe/University of New Hampshire have put Paul at 7 percent.

11/13 05:28 PM

[LizF]

From National Review Online:

Zogby Predicts Ron Paul Could Get 15 to 18 Percent in New Hampshire

On the Sean Hannity radio program, pollster John Zogby said that Texas Congressman Ron Paul could end up surprising the field - and "embarass a lot of the frontrunners" by wildly exceeding expectations taking 15 to 18 percent in the New Hampshire primary.

An incredulous Hannity asked, "You don't see any chance he wins this thing, do you?" Zogby said no.

A Zogby poll in September found Paul with 3 percent of the vote. Three recent polls - St. Anselm, Marist, and the Globe/University of New Hampshire have put Paul at 7 percent.


11/13 05:28 PM

:D :p

[LizF]

Well, Ron Paul has a good chance of winning alot more with a Zogby poll if RP supporters don't mind answering insanely invasive, personal, stupid, ridiculous, or offensive questions after they select Ron Paul.

They can also select the option of "Don't know/ Refused" when they encounter such questions, and continue till the end.

[amonasro]

Before the Zogby-Rassmussen interview Hannity went into a free-maret healthcare spiel that mirrored almost EXACTLY Ron Paul's stance on the issue. Mind-boggling.

[Ron LOL]

Before the Zogby-Rassmussen interview Hannity went into a free-maret healthcare spiel that mirrored almost EXACTLY Ron Paul's stance on the issue. Mind-boggling.

I just don't understand how folks like Hannity have such a difficult time realizing that Ron Paul is really their best friend. They get hung up on the war issue, I guess.

Anyway, it's entertaining to watch Hannity squirm. Spammers!

[MS0453]

I just don't understand how folks like Hannity have such a difficult time realizing that Ron Paul is really their best friend. They get hung up on the war issue, I guess.

Anyway, it's entertaining to watch Hannity squirm. Spammers!

That's because the war issue is essentially the only issue to them. And by the war issue, I don't mean the War in Iraq, I mean American military might.

[Pete]

A Zogby poll in September found Paul with 3 percent of the vote. Three recent polls - St. Anselm, Marist, and the Globe/University of New Hampshire have put Paul at 7 percent.

So multiply Zogby's 15-18% by 2.3...

Sounds about right!

[freedominnumbers]

Well, Ron Paul has a good chance of winning alot more with a Zogby poll if RP supporters don't mind answering insanely invasive, personal, stupid, ridiculous, or offensive questions after they select Ron Paul.

Interesting that you say that.
The last poll I took had questions on how likely I am to vote and what party I'm in. After it asked who I will vote for and the like. After the page where I chose Ron Paul the poll then went to a page asking me about what kind of rice I prefer. The it went through about 5 pages of sexual and relationship questions. I thought that was odd for what looked like a political poll at first.

[ValidusCustodiae]

Scammity is getting worried L O L!!!

[qsecofr]

The MSM and pundits exist because they entertain enough people to sell eyeball space on television/paper. Having them start picking up Ron's talking points is exactly what we need at this point.

Imagine if BO and Hannity went on the air one day and said "Hey everybody, vote for Ron Paul, he's really smart". They would alienate a large portion of there audience and probably lose their job. If they are softening up to Ron it's because the ideas are starting to take effect in the audience they serve and just as the slow ship of state sails the pundits will ever vigilantly pursue it.

Just remember that what they say on television is not necessarily what they believe in private... :D

[LizF]

Another thread on the subject from a few pages back (more about Hannity & Zogby in the first post):

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=36540

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Arnt these the same guys who said Paul would be out before the primaries?

I think Sean Hannity is actually getting scared.

[born2drv]

Arnt these the same guys who said Paul would be out before the primaries?

I think Sean Hannity is actually getting scared.

I think so too ;) We're where we are with little to no exposure and we're growing by leaps and bounds every day. Poor Vanity, he's going to need to get to grips with the New Republican Party ... post-Paul era. Whether we win or not, we're going to radically reform this party.

[LinearChaos]

I just don't understand how folks like Hannity have such a difficult time realizing that Ron Paul is really their best friend. They get hung up on the war issue, I guess.

Anyway, it's entertaining to watch Hannity squirm. Spammers!
It is easy to understand, actually. He is a phony bologna liar. Hannity knows exactly what Paul's positions are.

[kill the banks]

time we did our own polls as i said before ... apparently , this will be done with private funds , i've heard ... simply put with republican runners given including ron paul and who do you pick , no slanted question or confusion intent ... we will see

kill the banks

[wgadget]

Them's fightin' words, Mr. Hannity.

[jamesmadison]

Hannity is getting worried.

[ButchHowdy]

I just don't understand how folks like Hannity have such a difficult time realizing that Ron Paul is really their best friend. They get hung up on the war issue, I guess.

Anyway, it's entertaining to watch Hannity squirm. Spammers!

Wait till they repossess his G5 and yacht when his ratings plummet!

[tnvoter]

It seems to me like right now it's still entirely a battle of name recognition and viability, but come $10 mil+ on Dec 16th, we breach 10% and it turns into a battle of ideas.

That's a battle we should win hands down.

Well said Sir.

[Pharoah]

Zogby poll discredited:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2007/121107_opinion_polls.htm

It would be interesting to find out who commissioned that Zogby poll.

[Pharoah]

Zogby poll discredited:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2007/121107_opinion_polls.htm

It would be interesting to find out who commissioned that Zogby poll.

[LJHudd]

seconded.

correction...they might not want to admit that it's his good looks.I'd just like to state that not all women think Romney is good looking.
And (granted those that like him for his looks might not admit it) but sheesh, that's a pretty shallow reason to want to vote for someone.

[spivey378]

i got my mom on the inflation with milk and the falling dollar


she likes that hes an obgyn


she hasnt said so, but she'll vote for him.


i'll tell her whats at stake.


my sister is a 21 yr old that hears the word republican and shudders. shes not that smart politically and just probably listens to what her dumb friends say.

[Goldwater Conservative]

Wow.

I knew someone would say something about that. :D

[Paul4Prez]

Abortion, entitlement programs, aggressive foreign policy. I don't really know how to fix it.

You might think that women (in general) would be more against the war than men are.

[Eric21ND]

Lol, we need to worry about it man. :)

Especially considering Paul is THE anti-war candidate, a message that usually resonates with moms around the country. There's a good amount of voters that remain untapped.

I kind of disagree with this. In my humble opinion women voters (and women in general) want to feel safe and protected. They tend to side with the person they feel can do that. I believe they vote more on this feeling than they do on the issues per se.

I hope I don't get flamed for that, but that's my take. There's a lot of scared housewives out there...scared of the boogie man terrorist. Of course they're more likely to die from being hit by lightning, slipping in the bath tub, or a car accident, but they don't think like that.

[Primbs]

We could use a female celebrity to help the campaign that women like.

[Paulitician]

Personally, I think it's BS to say that woman don't or wouldn't want to vote for Ron Paul because he's anti-war or because he's pro-life. Since when has it been the rule that most women are pro-choice? Perhaps feminists, but not all women. In fact, I would venture to say that 3/5 if not more of the country (male or female) would actually would be satisfied with his position on abortion. I would also venture to say that even most women are anti-the Iraq war. Perhaps not most of Republican women, but hey. Anyway, I think it has more to do not so much with his positions, but how he articulates said positions, as well as his personality. In general, Ron Paul is probably too high-brow for most people, and probably not emotionally warm as women would like him to be. There needs to be away that Ron Paul can tailor his message to please both men and women without pandering or comprimising the message. It shouldn't be hard, most politicians can pull it off.

[Question_Authority]

I want Dr. Paul to win just to see Hannity's reaction.

I thought of that too, but I can't stand the sight of blood, and I just know Hannity's head will explode.

[Malakai0]

Zogby is ultra corrupt. He is a "win the election for whoever pays me the most" guy just like Luntz.


Lots of people have said they answer with Ron Paul as their answers to their surveys and they a) get weird questions like "would you like a chip in your brain to interface you with the internet" after that and b) never see another zogby survey or call again.

[bobmurph]

I listened to Hannity, Limbaugh, and Beck everyday for years now. This changed when I found Paul and realized how full of crap they all truly are. They are not for freedom and America, or they would back Paul.

Mega Dittos!;)

[DRV45N05]

Firstly, I believe this is among Republicans only, correct? The Nevada Caucus is Closed, after all. So since we're only polling Republican women, I think his position on issues like Abortion and Entitlements is much less of a problem for women.

I think image does mean a lot with women. Simply put, Ron looks like he needs to pop a few blue ones to get it up. Romney is doing better with Women than with Men; this can certainly be explained by the looks. Giuliani, IMO, is doing better among both groups because of 1) he's Mr. 9/11, and 2) he's perceived right now as most electable. As far as women goes, I think the "I'm going to keep you safe" image that Giuliani has works really well with women voters.

I expect that Ron's supoort among women will climb big time because of his demeanor. This comes from years as an OB/GYN: he knows how to deal with women and talk to them in a very reassuring way when he is with them one-on-one.

[Midnight77]

If Ron Paul wins the nomination, Hannity will endorse Hillary.

FOX News already has endorsed Hillary. Google this. They're endorsing Hillary financially behind everyone's backs, and Giuliani publicly. That way, they can set the election and have someone in their pocket on both sides. So either way, Rupert wins. Slimy bastard.

[justinc.1089]

If Ron Paul wins the nomination, Hannity will endorse Hillary.

Nope, no way, thats not whats going to happen. If Paul gets the nomination against Hillary, then Hannity will demand Giuliani run on the Neo-Nazi party nomination and he will endorse him again running on the Nazi party ticket! lol

[Topher]

The MSM should finally begin to come around somewhat on Ron Paul. If Zogby already thinks we can pull more than 15% in NH what is he going to think after we work our asses off for the next 2 months and lead all Republicans (at least) in fundraising?

With Giuliani, Romney and McCain pulling respectable numbers along with Huck and Fred we could win going away with 30%. And given the improvement over the last 2 months, it seems we could do even better then that.

[framecut]

And the men vote for him because...?


"Don't ask, Don't TELL!"

[Minlawc]

So should Dr. Paul focus more on promoting his views on true national defence?

[Paulitician]

Anything positive!

[stewie3128]

We all need to realize that if Ron Paul wins, Limbaugh(maybe) and hannity are DONE. They represent the establishment Republican party. We are taking over that party. They will be casualties of the revolution. They are partly responsible for the big government Republicanism.

We have come farther than I ever thought possible. I didn't believe there were this many freedom lovers left.

God, I wish! Unfortunately, I don't think we're taking over (read:"back") the party yet. The party infrastructure is controlled by the theocrats right now, and they're going to get their boys in there somehow or another. It'll take a generation for the GOP to get all that Evangelical crap out of their system.

[JordanL]

God, I wish! Unfortunately, I don't think we're taking over (read:"back") the party yet. The party infrastructure is controlled by the theocrats right now, and they're going to get their boys in there somehow or another. It'll take a generation for the GOP to get all that Evangelical crap out of their system.

There's no way you can possibly blame all that is wrong with the GOP right now on the evangelicals.

[stewie3128]

One way to win over support from women is to emphasize the Tax Free Tips Act; women make up a disproportionate number of wait-staff, housekeepers, and hair stylists -- all people with those jobs rely on tips to survive (and sometimes even thrive). RP's campaign store has a new slim jim for tips.

Mentioning the likelihood of a draft under a neo-con president might sway some female voters, since it will be their children who will be forced to fight in Iran, Pakistan, and anywhere else that needs to be force-fed democracy.

Another avenue is the huge Mormon population in Nevada; if we can get the LDS behind the champion of the Constitution, then we will cut into a lot of Mitt's support.

Awesome suggestions on the first two - but do you really think LDS will endorse someone other than Romney, if they even make endorsements at all?

[TechnoGuyRob]

Religious organizations cannot make endorsements. Are there figureheads in the LDS? (individuals, even as religious leaders, can)

[nexus7]

The day after the election we should all take up a collection to buy Sean Hannity an airline ticket to go to any country of his choosing... so long as he promises not to come back!

If this guy hates freedom so much, he really shouldn't have to suffer through it.

lofl, Send hannity aka "The Khazar" to the west bank with the rest of his CFR fruitloops and let him deal with his own ilk. While we get on with rebuilding America. He is about as far from an Irishman as one gets imo.