Trajectory Unclear: Feb 2013 Asteroid Will Be Within Thousands of Miles of Earth

[John F Kennedy III]

Trajectory Unclear: Feb 2013 Asteroid Will Be Within Thousands of Miles of Earth

Impact Would Be As Big As Siberian Tunguska Event; 1000 Times More Powerful Than Hiroshima

Mac Slavo
SHTFPlan.com
Monday, March 5, 2012


In the history of the solar system, and even in human history, there are clear records of extraordinary and devastating catastrophes… On the landscapes of other planets, where the records of the past are better preserved, there is abundant evidence of major catastrophes. It’s all a matter of time scales. An event which is improbable in a hundred years, may be inevitable in a hundred million years. Even on the Earth in this century there have been bizarre natural events.

Carl Sagan
Cosmos – A Personal Voyage (1980) [video]


rest of article here:
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/trajectory-unclear-feb-2013-asteroid-will-be-within-thousands-of-miles-of-earth-impact-would-be-as-big-as-siberian-tunguska-event-1000-times-more-powerful-than-hiroshima_03042012

[WilliamC]

This is why we should have space based weapons, not to use on the Earth's surface, but for the once every few-thousand-year asteroid that could make for a bad few decades if it were to hit.

Or worse.

Now if we just had folks responsible enough to trust with them...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zvCUmeoHpw

[thoughtomator]

you realize that if such weapons existed they would be far more likely to be used to cause a catastrophe than prevent one

[eduardo89]

Please just strike earth so we can get the world over with...

[WilliamC]

you realize that if such weapons existed they would be far more likely to be used to cause a catastrophe than prevent one

Like I said, if we can just find folks responsible enough to trust with them.

I of course qualify, but I'm only one man and might not be around much longer, so there would have to be others I could equally trust.

Perhaps you?

But there already exists an asteroid which will someday hit the Earth, and early-detection combined with some sort of space-based technology to deflect or destroy it will be the only way to prevent it or to ameliorate the damage.

If we expect to live long enough we will have to worry about this, but I tend to think for now it's kinda far down on the list.

We're more likely to kill each other before that happens :(

[eduardo89]

Like I said, if we can just find folks responsible enough to trust with them.



Like th federal governement?

[bluesc]

This is why we should have space based weapons, not to use on the Earth's surface, but for the once every few-thousand-year asteroid that could make for a bad few decades if it were to hit.

They are making a gravitational craft in Russia that may be used to deflect an asteroid that may be headed for the west coast of the US.

No need for a weapon, just a really big spacecraft that has enough of a gravitational pull to pull an asteroid off course by a few mm. Of course, it could also be used to direct an asteroid at the White House..

[specsaregood]

you realize that if such weapons existed they would be far more likely to be used to cause a catastrophe than prevent one

I learned on the history channel, on the Ancient Aliens show that there are in fact laser weapons embedded in the permafrost somewhere around siberia. They are there to protect the planet from such events. There is proof of it in our archaeological record.

So i'm not concerned about it.

[WilliamC]

Like th federal governement?

LOL.

No, this would have to be a World Government I'm afraid, with me at it's head.

But we're a long way from having to worry about it, so it's nothing I'm pushing for yet ;)

[bluesc]

LOL.

No, this would have to be a World Government I'm afraid, with me at it's head.

But we're a long way from having to worry about it, so it's nothing I'm pushing for yet ;)

Funny, many scientists are also calling for a world government to make the human civilization advance to Type I on the Kardashev scale.

I don't trust you, Smoking man. You + space always ends badly.

[WilliamC]

Funny, many scientists are also calling for a world government to make the human civilization advance to Type I on the Kardashev scale.

I don't trust you, Smoking man. You + space always ends badly.

Good for you, I don't trust me either ;)

I remember something my mother once asked me a long time ago, in response to what I don't know. But I was always the kind of kid who was a know-it-all and insufferable too boot, so I can imagine it was something absurd, an 'if only everyone would do so and so' kind of statement.

She said "what if the whole world thought the way you do?"

And I remember replying "it would be great because everyone would stop lying to each other and start making sense to me."

Point being, the hardest thing is to realize other people don't think like you do (or I do) so what is persuasive to you (or me) might not be to them.

Of course I can't help it that most folks I talk to seem to be lying to themselves about some things and don't seem to think as far into the future as I am prone to do, but what can I do about that?

[KingNothing]

Please just strike earth so we can get the world over with...

Really? Wow.

[WilliamC]

They are making a gravitational craft in Russia that may be used to deflect an asteroid that may be headed for the west coast of the US.

No need for a weapon, just a really big spacecraft that has enough of a gravitational pull to pull an asteroid off course by a few mm. Of course, it could also be used to direct an asteroid at the White House..

Artificial gravity would be the preferred method for deflection, if it can be made to work and powered with theoretically available forms of energy.

Just match velocity with whatever it is you are trying to deflect a few miles from the surface and power up the mass generator, then deccelerate. Depending on how far from Earth you start it would take the minimal amount of energy possible.

Now if we could do this somewhat cheaply then terraforming becomes more possible, since we could bring in materials from the outer solar system to Mars to increase the atmosphere, and possibly enough water in the form of comets to Venus to rain out most of the atmosphere and hydrate the surface, though that would take 10's of thousands of years.

Far better if we can find and travel to other solar systems with habitable planets, but as far as I can tell this isn't even theoretically possible yet.

Maybe someday...

[eduardo89]

Really? Wow.

What can I say, this world has gone to shit. We've earned God's wrath, I'm personally surprised he's put up with us for this long.

[bluesc]

Artificial gravity would be the preferred method for deflection, if it can be made to work and powered with theoretically available forms of energy.

Just match velocity with whatever it is you are trying to deflect a few miles from the surface and power up the mass generator, then deccelerate. Depending on how far from Earth you start it would take the minimal amount of energy possible.

Now if we could do this somewhat cheaply then terraforming becomes more possible, since we could bring in materials from the outer solar system to Mars to increase the atmosphere, and possibly enough water in the form of comets to Venus to rain out most of the atmosphere and hydrate the surface, though that would take 10's of thousands of years.

Far better if we can find and travel to other solar systems with habitable planets, but as far as I can tell this isn't even theoretically possible yet.

Maybe someday...

I'll stop pretending to know things now.

- A former IR major soon to be switching to physics

[NoOneButPaul]

This is why we should have space based weapons, not to use on the Earth's surface, but for the once every few-thousand-year asteroid that could make for a bad few decades if it were to hit.

Or worse.

Now if we just had folks responsible enough to trust with them...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zvCUmeoHpw

There's been a lot of plans put forth on how to move asteroids without having to weaponize space.

Like deploying solar sails on the surface that move it in another direction, or landing a ton of jets on the surface and taking control of it.

A space based weapon is too much.

[NoPants]

Asteroid-impact avoidance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_impact_avoidance

[Orgoonian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Na9-jV_OJI

[fatjohn]

Its not on the torino scale nor the palermo scale. In addition it would not be bigger than the tunguska event even if it hit. There are other asteroids out there with a larger chance of wreaking havoc.

[WilliamC]

There's been a lot of plans put forth on how to move asteroids without having to weaponize space.

Like deploying solar sails on the surface that move it in another direction, or landing a ton of jets on the surface and taking control of it.

A space based weapon is too much.

Well a rock dropped from orbit is a space based weapon, so just having the technology to do one implies the other.

The safeguards needed to protect the Earth from misuse of said technology would have to be the same in either case.

[brushfire]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUhUYCZEBc4

[Orgoonian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUhUYCZEBc4

Bwaaahaha!
Love that scene!

[trey4sports]

I learned on the history channel, on the Ancient Aliens show that there are in fact laser weapons embedded in the permafrost somewhere around siberia. They are there to protect the planet from such events. There is proof of it in our archaeological record.

So i'm not concerned about it.



http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/3338874+_e42cd0795d717e0985a47817923cf743.jpg

[Zippyjuan]

17,000 miles is still pretty far away. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2110396/Asteroid-2012-DA14-NOT-hit-Earth-year-says-astronomer.html


The space rock will come within 17,000 miles of Earth, which is closer than some of our satellites, but Plait says this is nothing to worry about.
He adds: ‘Seventeen thousand miles is well beneath many of our own orbiting satellites. To the best of my knowledge, this is the closest pass of a decent-sized asteroid ever seen before the actual pass itself. However, let’s again be very clear - it will miss. In astronomical terms, 17,000 miles is pretty close, but in real human terms it’s a clean miss.’


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2110396/Asteroid-2012-DA14-NOT-hit-Earth-year-says-astronomer.html#ixzz1oHXxxxoB

[AFPVet]

This is why we should have space based weapons, not to use on the Earth's surface, but for the once every few-thousand-year asteroid that could make for a bad few decades if it were to hit.



Who says we don't ;)

[vechorik]

RT is hyping


Unsurprisingly, though very irritatingly, I’ve seen a lot of websites writing about this as if the asteroid will hit. For example, rt.com has a very confused article about DA14 claiming it will somehow both miss us and hit us:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/03/04/no-asteroid-2012-da14-will-not-hit-us-next-year/

[WilliamC]

Who says we don't ;)

Don't talk about Fight Club!

There were at least 10 Space Shuttle missions that were DoD related, most of them classified, so who knows what they put up there?

Now we have to use the Russians to launch our payloads, so I doubt we are currently up to anything nefarious.

[HOLLYWOOD]

The outer ring of geosynchronous satellites are @ 22,300 nautical miles Those are your military comm sats, TV/radio, surveillance, etc. There are others in highly elliptical orbits aka Molinya/M22. GLONASS/GPS are in the 6,000 nm orbits. there should be some calculations on the 3 axis trajectory of the object, if it's only 11 months out.

The asteroid passes well inside the most critical satellite orbit paths as well as that biggest satellite target orbiting the earth, the moon.

[ZanZibar]

You mean we get an extra year?! Awesome! I thought the world was gonna end in 2012.

[pcosmar]

You mean we get an extra year?! Awesome! I thought the world was gonna end in 2012.

Nothing is guaranteed.

[PaulConventionWV]

Trajectory Unclear: Feb 2013 Asteroid Will Be Within Thousands of Miles of Earth

Impact Would Be As Big As Siberian Tunguska Event; 1000 Times More Powerful Than Hiroshima

Mac Slavo
SHTFPlan.com
Monday, March 5, 2012


In the history of the solar system, and even in human history, there are clear records of extraordinary and devastating catastrophes… On the landscapes of other planets, where the records of the past are better preserved, there is abundant evidence of major catastrophes. It’s all a matter of time scales. An event which is improbable in a hundred years, may be inevitable in a hundred million years. Even on the Earth in this century there have been bizarre natural events.

Carl Sagan
Cosmos – A Personal Voyage (1980) [video]


rest of article here:
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/trajectory-unclear-feb-2013-asteroid-will-be-within-thousands-of-miles-of-earth-impact-would-be-as-big-as-siberian-tunguska-event-1000-times-more-powerful-than-hiroshima_03042012

I don't trust anything Carl Sagan says. He's an expert propagandist who will do anything to bend and distort the public image in his favor.

[terp]

We'll be gone for months by then!

[awake]

Oh crap, THIS is why we need to adopt socialism so it can save the world.

[PaulConventionWV]

Like I said, if we can just find folks responsible enough to trust with them.

I of course qualify, but I'm only one man and might not be around much longer, so there would have to be others I could equally trust.

Perhaps you?

But there already exists an asteroid which will someday hit the Earth, and early-detection combined with some sort of space-based technology to deflect or destroy it will be the only way to prevent it or to ameliorate the damage.

If we expect to live long enough we will have to worry about this, but I tend to think for now it's kinda far down on the list.

We're more likely to kill each other before that happens :(

Oh, yes, OF COURSE you would qualify... according to your own standards. Maybe I was looking for someone a little less pretentious and/or absurdly self-rightous.

[WilliamC]

Oh, yes, OF COURSE you would qualify... according to your own standards. Maybe I was looking for someone a little less pretentious and/or absurdly self-rightous.

Sarcasm is obvious sarcasm.

Well, sort of, since I do actually qualify...

[Anti Federalist]

I don't trust anything Carl Sagan says. He's an expert propagandist who will do anything to bend and distort the public image in his favor.

Carl Sagan isn't saying much of anything, these days.

[Anti Federalist]

Sarcasm is obvious sarcasm.

Well, sort of, since I do actually qualify...

LoL - Know Your Meme.

Let me help you out.

Obvious Sarcasm is Obvious.

;)

[WilliamC]

So that's how it works...

Seems you'll be needed to man the space weapons too.

[NidStyles]

Again with this crap? Every year it's another rock.

[John F Kennedy III]

Artificial gravity would be the preferred method for deflection, if it can be made to work and powered with theoretically available forms of energy.

Just match velocity with whatever it is you are trying to deflect a few miles from the surface and power up the mass generator, then deccelerate. Depending on how far from Earth you start it would take the minimal amount of energy possible.

Now if we could do this somewhat cheaply then terraforming becomes more possible, since we could bring in materials from the outer solar system to Mars to increase the atmosphere, and possibly enough water in the form of comets to Venus to rain out most of the atmosphere and hydrate the surface, though that would take 10's of thousands of years.

Far better if we can find and travel to other solar systems with habitable planets, but as far as I can tell this isn't even theoretically possible yet.

Maybe someday...

I'm not entirely convinced we can't do it. Or at least we do have far far better technology than what we are told. And if we haven't visited another solar system, somebody has certainly visited us.

[John F Kennedy III]

Don't talk about Fight Club!

There were at least 10 Space Shuttle missions that were DoD related, most of them classified, so who knows what they put up there?

Now we have to use the Russians to launch our payloads, so I doubt we are currently up to anything nefarious.

That's if you accept what TPTB tell you. It's entirely possible that we are doing all kinds of nefarious things and the people would have absolutely no idea.

I don't mean to derail what you are talking about, I just nitpick at things like this.

[John F Kennedy III]

So that's how it works...

Seems you'll be needed to man the space weapons too.

AF in charge of space weapons? I'm not so sure about this.

[WilliamC]

AF in charge of space weapons? I'm not so sure about this.

Don't worry, donnay will keep him in line ;)

[John F Kennedy III]

Don't worry, donnay will keep him in line ;)

Hopefully :D

[Anti Federalist]

AF in charge of space weapons? I'm not so sure about this.

I'm on it...

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/upload/2009/04/weekend_diversion_do_tinfoil_h/tinfoil_hat_antenna.jpg

[John F Kennedy III]

I'm on it...

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/upload/2009/04/weekend_diversion_do_tinfoil_h/tinfoil_hat_antenna.jpg

Lol. I have Dish Network too.

[klamath]

The biggist thing about astoroids is you need to know about them well in advance. They have what.is called keyholes in their obits that require very little Delta V thrust to significantly change the orbit.
It is not a matter of if but when this WILL happen and when it does federal governments will be the least of our worries. There are bigger threats out there. What we need is heavy lift boosters to break the gravity of earth and get enough delta V to the problem astoroid well ahead of time. Too bad NASA lost the plans to the Saturn V rockets.

[QuickZ06]

I learned on the history channel, on the Ancient Aliens show that there are in fact laser weapons embedded in the permafrost somewhere around siberia. They are there to protect the planet from such events. There is proof of it in our archaeological record.

So i'm not concerned about it.


What do you mean laser weapons embedded in the permafrost somewhere around siberia?

[QuickZ06]

Moon Base!


http://youtu.be/nw3dWOssOhs

[John F Kennedy III]

What do you mean laser weapons embedded in the permafrost somewhere around siberia?

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-TUNGUSKA-THE-ANCIENT-MYSTERY-INSTALLATION-IN-SIBERIA-refer-latest-Ancient-Aliens

[dillo]

Gingrich is surging with his moonbase

[specsaregood]

What do you mean laser weapons embedded in the permafrost somewhere around siberia?

It was an interesting episode of Ancient Aliens on the History Channel.

[PaulConventionWV]

Sarcasm is obvious sarcasm.

Well, sort of, since I do actually qualify...

Thus proving my point...

[PaulConventionWV]

Carl Sagan isn't saying much of anything, these days.

Good.

[PaulConventionWV]

What do you mean laser weapons embedded in the permafrost somewhere around siberia?

He got that from the History Channel. I wouldn't take it too seriously.

[Intoxiklown]

Artificial gravity would be the preferred method for deflection, if it can be made to work and powered with theoretically available forms of energy.

Are you referring to theories like negative energy? We are a long way from that, if that is in fact, what you're speaking to.

[WilliamC]

Are you referring to theories like negative energy? We are a long way from that, if that is in fact, what you're speaking to.

Indeed we are, we don't even have a good idea of what constitutes most of the mass in the Universe since dark matter does not interact with baryonic nor leptonic matter, and as to the nature of dark energy we are still essentially clueless.

The hints from the LHC are promising for a Higgs boson at ~130 GeV and if these observations are real then at least we are on the right path to the next level of understanding of particle physics, but I don't know enough to say what this would mean for cosmology. As far as I know we still don't have a way of testing string or brane theories so while they are theoretically eloquent they are not yet verified. But even if these theories are better understood in the future I don't know that this will translate into new technologies.

Recent observations of putative faster-than-light neutrinos are certainly interesting, but my understanding is that the observations are not strongly constrained and could still be explained by statistical error, so I reserve judgement on this.

Anything else you are familiar with? I certainly don't claim to have a comprehensive knowledge of the subject.

[Intoxiklown]

Indeed we are, we don't even have a good idea of what constitutes most of the mass in the Universe since dark matter does not interact with baryonic nor leptonic matter, and as to the nature of dark energy we are still essentially clueless.

Well, we can make negative energy now. However, it's an issue of power to make a sufficient amount. I am far from an expert, mind you. But I do know that we are centuries, at our current technological growth rate, of even beginning to understand how to do it.

As far as dark energy, all I know is that it exists....lol. I am not a particle physicist. And while we don't know the "meat" of dark matter, simply knowing it exists allows mathmetaical equations to account for unkowns, which opens up different avenues of theory and research.


The hints from the LHC are promising for a Higgs boson at ~130 GeV and if these observations are real then at least we are on the right path to the next level of understanding of particle physics, but I don't know enough to say what this would mean for cosmology. As far as I know we still don't have a way of testing string or brane theories so while they are theoretically eloquent they are not yet verified. But even if these theories are better understood in the future I don't know that this will translate into new technologies.


Higgs theory is VERY mixed in reception. They are trying to prove it out in particle accelerators, but are finding out they lack the power to generate enough velocity to match the mass needed to break it down to look for evidence of it. I'm not sure how much I personally agree with it either. It's akin to saying "The rain is the gods blessing us for killing our enemies" kind of theory. We know dark matter exists, because it's observable. We just don't know what it is comprised of. Kind of like we know gravity exists, but can't really explain it. Higgs basically said there must be some kind of unknown force at the sub atomic level. Although admittedly, it at least allows for math to move forward with different approaches to prove it out.



Recent observations of putative faster-than-light neutrinos are certainly interesting, but my understanding is that the observations are not strongly constrained and could still be explained by statistical error, so I reserve judgement on this.

Anything else you are familiar with? I certainly don't claim to have a comprehensive knowledge of the subject.

LOL....dude, I'm a robotics engineer. Most of what I know about physics (which is VERY minute), is from reading. For all I know, everything I've said was disproven yesterday.

[Len Larson]

No artificial gravity is needed. Google "Gravity Tractor".
BTW, this is a perfect use for an Orion style nuclear drive. The high thrust from Orion allows us to move a massive spacecraft with lots of gravitational "traction".
Rendezvous with the asteroid in deep space using the high-g Orion thrust, then switch to ion drive powered by a nuclear reactor for the sustained low-g thrust needed for course correction.

[John F Kennedy III]

Bump

[AFPVet]

Another thing that people have to understand is that our government makes nothing. Who makes all of the cool goodies that the government uses? Defense contractors... private companies. Food for thought :)

[John F Kennedy III]

Food for thought indeed.

[alucard13mmfmj]

Whatever will happen... millions, maybe billions of people will die, BUT those scumbag elitist, rich, new world order people will live on in their bunkers. The rest of us gets incinerated, drowned, asphyxiated, freeze and murdered to death.

We won't know anything about an asteroid hitting the earth until it is too late and the higher ranked people are safe in their bunker, while the normal, lowly people scramble.

[tangent4ronpaul]

A nice comet chunk at 38.898556 -77.037852 might actually be an improvement...

-t

[Ranger29860]

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/ip?3.3e-04

Move along.

[Constitutional Paulicy]

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/ip?3.3e-04

Move along.


1 in 3,030 chance

Hmm... I guess the question would be how often do near misses occur and over what time span. Then we could calculate the true threat on the matter.

[Odin]

Hmm... I guess the question would be how often do near misses occur and over what time span. Then we could calculate the true threat on the matter.

The threat is about 1 in 3000. You can't change that probability based on what has happened in the past.

BTW, I don't like those odds very much. 1 in 3000 chance of the human race being wiped out does not sit so well with me.

[Original_Intent]

Even if it impacted, it wouldn't be a "global killer" - it would be like the Siberia event back in the early 20th century.

[Ranger29860]

BTW, I don't like those odds very much. 1 in 3000 chance of the human race being wiped out does not sit so well with me.

Lol then you really shouldn't read that NASA sight on identified asteroids heading to us. At this point I just accept it like I accept that I could get T-boned by another car that I never see coming and get killed.

[Natural Citizen]

Carl Sagan isn't saying much of anything, these days.

Not true. He speaks to a different generation now. One that outnumbers the old guard. They just don't know it yet.

[Natural Citizen]

I don't trust anything Carl Sagan says. He's an expert propagandist who will do anything to bend and distort the public image in his favor.

Owch. You're lucky I don't -rep.

[Natural Citizen]

Good.

Cripes. Now you went and forced me. Good? Wow. Bad energy...

The man is dead. And you say good?

Let me guess. You are so wise and all knowing that you see no need to question further? There are no more questions to ask? No?

[Ranger29860]

I don't trust anything Carl Sagan says. He's an expert propagandist who will do anything to bend and distort the public image in his favor.

WHAT?! In all seriousness what the hell are talking about?

[Natural Citizen]

WHAT?! In all seriousness what the hell are talking about?

Nope. Don't even let him explain. He already has. Remain faithful that there are no more questions left to ask about the premise of that spew.
Wow. Bad energy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6axdZAxyt2g&feature=related)indeed.

Carl would be reminding us how to skip that rock over to the next dimension fer a brief moment if he were here. Of course...you know what? Maybe if folks would wake up and crack open junior's textbook once in a while and actually pay attention to what they are learning...and seeing...and hearing...instead of trying to replace them with iron age fairy tales meant to downtrod civilization or Change to be clear then maybe they would see just how loud the man still screams from the top of the mountain and to a different generation to do just that very thing. And he does. Trust me. Is why Change in it's truest sense of the word will pass some right by...and thankfully.

Should be looking at this rock and learning from it. Actually we are. Much to learn from these passer by. Which, btw, is probably why we even know it's screaming by in the first place. Am glad that folks are interested in such things because they'll certainly be hearing more about the physics of the matter down the road as well as advancements learned from actually taking the time to give it a good once over. It's a good thing. Unfortunately, those who would act to disrupt that particular phenomenon do and will forever exist. As I said. Bad energy.

I can't get over that remark though. How the heck do you say good that someone is gone just because they had something to say that you didn't want to listen to? I mean, really! Gosh...

[FindLiberty]

...how often do near misses occur...

Do you mean near hits?

A near miss might be a ONCE in a lifetime event - for the whole planet.

[Odin]

Lol then you really shouldn't read that NASA sight on identified asteroids heading to us. At this point I just accept it like I accept that I could get T-boned by another car that I never see coming and get killed.

Yeah but ones big enough to destroy humanity? The Earth is pummeled by asteroids all the time but they aren't big enough to do much.

We've gone tens of thousands of years without a catastrophic asteroid hitting us so I'm pretty comfortable with it not happening in my time.

[Ranger29860]

Yeah but ones big enough to destroy humanity? The Earth is pummeled by asteroids all the time but they aren't big enough to do much.

We've gone tens of thousands of years without a catastrophic asteroid hitting us so I'm pretty comfortable with it not happening in my time.

This one isn't big enough to do that. I think someone made a good comparison that it would be like the one that hit in Siberia. Powerful yes, devastating no. I would be more worried about apathos in 2036 that one if it hits where they say will wipe the west coast clean.


*edit*
lol apparently "someone" was the original article. Wow I am really off today.

[klamath]

Nope. Don't even let him explain. He already has. Remain faithful that there are no more questions left to ask about the premise of that spew.
Wow. Bad energy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6axdZAxyt2g&feature=related)indeed.

Carl would be reminding us how to skip that rock over to the next dimension fer a brief moment if he were here. Of course...you know what? Maybe if folks would wake up and crack open junior's textbook once in a while and actually pay attention to what they are learning...and seeing...and hearing...instead of trying to replace them with iron age fairy tales meant to downtrod civilization or Change to be clear then maybe they would see just how loud the man still screams from the top of the mountain and to a different generation to do just that very thing. And he does. Trust me. Is why Change in it's truest sense of the word will pass some right by...and thankfully.

Should be looking at this rock and learning from it. Actually we are. Much to learn from these passer by. Which, btw, is probably why we even know it's screaming by in the first place. Am glad that folks are interested in such things because they'll certainly be hearing more about the physics of the matter down the road as well as advancements learned from actually taking the time to give it a good once over. It's a good thing. Unfortunately, those who would act to disrupt that particular phenomenon do and will forever exist. As I said. Bad energy.

I can't get over that remark though. How the heck do you say good that someone is gone just because they had something to say that you didn't want to listen to? I mean, really! Gosh...
I think Sagan had a lot of good point and ideas but I am sure this is why a lot of people distrusted him.

If we are to survive, our loyalties must be broadened further, to include the whole human community, the entire planet Earth. Many of those who run the nations will find this idea unpleasant. They will fear the loss of power. We will hear much about treason and disloyalty. Rich nation-states will have to share their wealth with poor ones.- Carl Sagan

[Natural Citizen]

I think Sagan had a lot of good point and ideas but I am sure this is why a lot of people distrusted him.
- Carl Sagan

You're probably right. I just question to what extent folks understand why he held those beliefs. Regardless of whether or not some dislike his predictions we cannot be so blind as to not see them happening as we speak. That cannot be contested. Can cry sour grapes but it definitely cannot be contested as not actually happening.

I maintain that science must remain separate from politics for this very reason alone. The profound importance and in fact relevance in what he was trying to point out is lost when placed entirely into political scope. And I can accept that knowing the course we as a species are on.

Mainly I got peeved at the method in the posters madness. Not necessarily the madness within his method. Was no need for that.

[Natural Citizen]

Here's a really good once over as far as where we are headed with understanding these objects. Marina Brozovic explains some intricates. Now, there is a much longer version out there some place of the entire hour and a half discussion but for all practical purposes this one will do just fine. The impact threat isn't the more practical discussion, per se. There is a lot more to how we now scrutinize various aspects of these things. Obviously, the younger generation coming from the classroom are far ahead of the older crowd because these sciences are what they are learning today but for anyone who would find such discussion valuable...

Marina Brozovic discusses asteroid...study, I guess is the word.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wjcvA__T3c

[jbauer]

damn terrorists

[Natural Citizen]

damn terrorists

It's been said....and by elected representatives, no less. :cool:

[XNavyNuke]

Load 'o crap. Given the diameter and density of the rock it would be a fifth of the yield of the Tunguska event.

If it was solid iron (which the density data doesn't support), and if it entered the atmosphere at a perpendicular angle (which it won't), and if it had the maximum velocity for a solar object (which its not even close to), then it would impact and leave a mile and a half crater (assuming the 70% chance it doesn't hit a water body). Not an extinction event.

I suggest you head to your local campus and see if they will have a telescope set up to watch it.
http://today.ucf.edu/whizzing-asteroid-turns-rocket-scientists-heads/

XNN

[TruckinMike]

I'll stop pretending to know things now.

- A former IR major soon to be switching to physics If you are a Richard Feynman fan you've got to hear "drumming with Feynman" (mp3) Its great! I couldn't find it via google or youtube. I have it on mp3. The guy is hilarious.

[Natural Citizen]

If you are a Richard Feynman fan you've got to hear "drumming with Feynman" (mp3) Its great! I couldn't find it via google or youtube. I have it on mp3. The guy is hilarious.

That's weird, I just posted a video with him playing those bongos in the climate thread yesterday. Richard was a blessing to have around. One of my favorites.

[idiom]

What if it was going to impact China, and they sent up missiles that deflects it, but it still hit Japan. That would be justifiable self defense right? Its Japan's job to have their own missiles to deflect it further...

[Natural Citizen]

What if it was going to impact China, and they sent up missiles that deflects it, but it still hit Japan. That would be justifiable self defense right? Its Japan's job to have their own missiles to deflect it further...


Well...don't you think Japan might just get to asking why the rock was so close in the first place...if that theoretical thing happened? I mean these are, after all, the people who are (or were right before the lil flood they had :rolleyes:) putting out vehicles that ran on water...even tea would do. They aren't dummies. Now, don't get me wrong, there are a few (actually, many) legitimate reasons why we (or China) would want to pull (lets say bump until the next chapter in the science book) an asteroid into Earths orbit but yeah...you know. The only folks who would buy that story you make are us clowns here in the states. Certainly, we'd call the rock a terrorist. It must be. After all, it's probably brown. And, of course, the science of the matter would become a matter of national security and then what do you know...can't even crack open a science book without the TSA's of the world frisking it first and then we're still left with the only remaining science of the universe discussion being trumped with that old Frank Luntz speak about "Climate Alarmists" or whatever and running around in the same circle. A big old race back to the beginning of the thing over and over again. Problem...reaction...solution.

I mean cripes. Third world countries are putting up more of a fight regarding things like what the machine puts into their food and the like than we are.

Twilight Zone music playing in the background....

[PaulConventionWV]

Cripes. Now you went and forced me. Good? Wow. Bad energy...

The man is dead. And you say good?

Let me guess. You are so wise and all knowing that you see no need to question further? There are no more questions to ask? No?

Denying Carl Sagan is the pinnacle of truth is not saying there are no questions. Carl Sagan doesn't just ask questions. He phrases them in such a way as to promote his own ideology... that there is no need to question whether there is a power beyond us, beyond the universe. He fancies up the naturalist language and makes it sound good so that people can connect to him spiritually in such a way that he becomes their god, just like he has become to you. He doesn't ask questions... he blatantly promotes atheism. As far as I'm concerned he's just another hypocrtical priest for the atheist religion trying to profess his love for science and logic. Bullshit.

[Natural Citizen]

Well then forgive him.