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chrismatthews
11-13-2007, 01:04 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/17/opinion/polls/main589167.shtml


Dec. 17, 2003


CHOICE FOR DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE
(Democratic primary voters)
Now
Howard Dean
23%
Wesley Clark
10%
Joe Lieberman
10%
Richard Gephardt
6%
Al Sharpton
5%
John Kerry
4%
John Edwards
2%
Carol Moseley-Braun
1%
Dennis Kucinich
1%
Don’t Know
28%


1 month and a couple of days from today, last election cycle, Kerry was at 4% nationally. As we all know he went on to win the Democratic nomination.

If in 33 days, we are still polling at 4% nationally, it means nothing, except that we still have a lot of work to do.

Don't be fooled by the pundits around the mass media telling you that Ron Paul is a long shot. Paul is just as likely to win the nomination as any other candidate, and more likely if you gauge level of support and boots on the ground.


Some pundits go further in to detail, stating that the Democratic party often has big swings, as in the 2003 example above, but Republicans are generally more consistent.

Two breaths later, they state that the Republican base is more fractured then ever before, and relate them to previous Democratic electoral bases.

However, they refuse to make the logical connection that follows.

Ron Paul has the momentum, he has the message, and he has the supporters to win this nomination. Keep your eye on the prize and lets bring this home.

Chris Matthews

Ridiculous
11-13-2007, 01:08 PM
Below even Al Sharpton....

Jobarra
11-13-2007, 01:17 PM
Man, there is a 30 second commercial in here somewhere ;)

Liberty
11-13-2007, 01:30 PM
Don't show that to O'Reilly. He doesn't want a history lesson.

Goldwater Conservative
11-13-2007, 01:32 PM
Don't show that to O'Reilly. He doesn't want a history lesson.

Bill O'Reilly: Rejecting reality and substituting cold, hard, falafels since 1996.

Primbs
11-13-2007, 01:35 PM
So anything could happen this year. Ron Paul is in play.

nullvalu
11-13-2007, 01:38 PM
How was it that Kerry was able to surge in the polls in such a short period of time?

Thomas Paine
11-13-2007, 01:40 PM
Kerry had a half a billion dollars of his wife's money to spend.

nullvalu
11-13-2007, 01:42 PM
Kerry had a half a billion dollars of his wife's money to spend.

ah yeah.. ketchup money..

EDIT: oh nm, i guess that was an urban legend (http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/heinz.asp)

hmm well i guess its part true, yeah.. she had a $500 mil inheritance

UtahApocalypse
11-13-2007, 01:43 PM
Can you dig up any similar history for the Republican party though?

couvi
11-13-2007, 01:49 PM
Kerry had a half a billion dollars of his wife's money to spend.

Yes, money means a lot. Thankfully, after this quarter, Ron Paul will likely have the most.

Liberty
11-13-2007, 02:06 PM
Can you dig up any similar history for the Republican party though?

Republicans are in a similar situation now, as the democrats were back then.

Hook
11-13-2007, 02:21 PM
Nice to have Mr. Matthews on our boards ;)

me3
11-13-2007, 02:33 PM
We'll be in the high single digits or low double digits by mid-Dec.

chrismatthews
11-13-2007, 03:56 PM
Can you dig up any similar history for the Republican party though?


As i said in my post, the Republican nomination has not historically been in play in the same manner that the democrats have. This fact is trudged out by old media very often. As a matter of course, the nomination is largely settled at this point for republicans.

The same pundits that are fond of pointing this out however, are quick to point out that the republican base is more fractured than it has ever been, and the race is far from settled.

What they fail to do is take the next logical step and compare the republican candidates viability to the democratic candidates viability historically.


Kerry picked up the pace because Howard Dean got painted with "The scream heard round the world" , The former media sweetheart was demonized and mainstream democratic support went looking for another candidate.

Basically, he was painted as "crazy"

As Paul supporters we need not fear that particular brush, it was used long ago in the election cycle and it just doesn't stick.


Point being, this race is ours for the taking, we are no more a long shot than Kerry was in 03, and our candidate is principled and disciplined.

krott5333
11-13-2007, 04:01 PM
How was it that Kerry was able to surge in the polls in such a short period of time?

skull & bones :eek: