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nedomedo
03-02-2012, 07:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwS4XMEr_qY

So please everyone stop bitching and criticizing RP, how can he win if they don't allow it? We basically have to win by a landslide in order for them not to be able to rig the votes. Oh, and all the polling companies are bullcrap too, they all work together trust me. Remember that Lulz guy on Bullshit? How he was admitting that all the polling is dishonest and pushes people to go a certain way. Some RP supporters give credit to Public Policy Polling because they are usually accurate...I say no wonder they are accurate because the powers that be tell them what they want the results to be in advance!

thoughtomator
03-02-2012, 07:12 PM
Yup, this is why we need to control the local level and restore election integrity as priority #1.

Endthefednow
03-02-2012, 07:29 PM
yup, even if Ron Paul had 99.99% of the vote the GOP will make sure Ron does not WIN!!:mad:

Diashi
03-02-2012, 07:38 PM
For those that haven't seen it, you must watch "Murder Spies and Voting Lies", which can be seen in parts on YouTube:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhBtfiRKaVY&feature=related

I don't like creating paranoia, but this is an issue that can ruin everything we've worked for. One of the only solutions I see is to have such an overwhelming presence, it would discount any attempt at fraud. We also need to keep a close eye on and communicate with each other on polling places, counties or states that use a paper trail over electric voting machines, as well as tracking exit-polls and how they stack up with the voting results in paper or electric areas.

http://i.imgur.com/XM7VX.gif

Last election, I distinctly recall a woman who noticed her county tallied no votes for Paul, even when she knew she and her family all voted for him at the same voting location. They drove back out to that location and made a fuss over it. Only then did their numbers show on Paul's tally. It stunk to the heavens.


On-subject satire. (http://www.theonion.com/video/diebold-accidentally-leaks-results-of-2008-electio,14214/)

ChiChiChi
03-02-2012, 08:25 PM
Can we PLEASE stop using words like PROOF when it doesn't prove anything. It just proves it is possible.

Yelling "PROOF" all the time just takes away your credibility.


Besides...if what you say is true, then I guess there is no point in donating any more money. If he is sure to lose anyway (since he will never win by a landslide like you say is required) it is just throwing money away.

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
03-02-2012, 08:33 PM
Can we PLEASE stop using words like PROOF when it doesn't prove anything. It just proves it is possible.

Yelling "PROOF" all the time just takes away your credibility.


Besides...if what you say is true, then I guess there is no point in donating any more money. If he is sure to lose anyway (since he will never win by a landslide like you say is required) it is just throwing money away.


Thanks for showing up immediately and offering your opinion.

Adam West
03-02-2012, 09:13 PM
Can we PLEASE stop using words like PROOF when it doesn't prove anything. It just proves it is possible.

Yelling "PROOF" all the time just takes away your credibility.


Besides...if what you say is true, then I guess there is no point in donating any more money. If he is sure to lose anyway (since he will never win by a landslide like you say is required) it is just throwing money away.

You can lead a horse to water...

thoughtomator
03-02-2012, 09:23 PM
If you don't believe there is widespread voter fraud, you weren't paying attention to Iowa... or South Carolina... or Nevada... or Maine... and of course several others are e-voting which means the undetectable method demonstrated in the video is not only possible, but probable (as undetectable fraud is the only reason to have electronic voting machines).

azxd
03-02-2012, 09:43 PM
If you believe there is wide spread voter fraud, and that the system is as corrupt as described, then you must realize that supporting Ron is a waste of time and money ... YES ?

Why do you even vote ?
Why are you even here ?

The system is rigged, and you know you can't change it.

American Idol is on soon, join the portion of society that doesn't care, and doesn't vote ... Because I do believe you, completely.

Barrex
03-02-2012, 09:46 PM
ChiChiChimichigighijajayyeLADYMARMELADE.. got a valid point. There is strong argument that there is voter fraud but there is no PROOF yet.


GUYS BE NICE TO NEW PEOPLE....

ronpaulhemp
03-02-2012, 09:49 PM
Great video! Voter fraud is real guys, we need to put pressure to increase transparency and have more RP eyes on the vote counts.

hunter100
03-02-2012, 10:23 PM
How about they make machines that don't have removable, writable memory cards? Make them like slot machines, where everything is locked inside.

MattDillon
03-02-2012, 10:33 PM
This is why as Precinct Committeeman, I will get volunteers to count the votes, if possible. Of course, I'm not starting until January, but there is no point in having a revolution if people aren't willing to work for it.

Carson
03-02-2012, 10:47 PM
Can we PLEASE stop using words like PROOF when it doesn't prove anything. It just proves it is possible.

Yelling "PROOF" all the time just takes away your credibility.


Besides...if what you say is true, then I guess there is no point in donating any more money. If he is sure to lose anyway (since he will never win by a landslide like you say is required) it is just throwing money away.


For me personally this is proof. Listen to Matt McDonald. He sounds truthful to me. If so, the fraud could run much deeper than just his area. You can multiply the fraud by one, or any number you want, but you can't divide it by zero.


Matt is at about 3:29 if you want to jump ahead.

http://www.fox19.com/story/16937227/reality-check-was-there-voter-fraud-in-maine

Same video? Better control for jumping ahead;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqsyzTrWS0g&feature=player_embedded#!

They prove Maine's voter reports are crooked. So goes the party clique (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/clique) in the other states I figure. Clique (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/clique); Not to be confused with the sound you here after this news was released.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQFEY9RIRJA

thoughtomator
03-02-2012, 10:52 PM
There is strong argument that there is voter fraud but there is no PROOF yet.

The inability to verify the results of election after election cannot be reasonably explained in any other way.

There's grunting and groaning in the next room but there's no proof somebody is getting fucked because the door is locked. Guess what, Daddy is still getting his shotgun.

thoughtomator
03-02-2012, 10:54 PM
How about they make machines that don't have removable, writable memory cards? Make them like slot machines, where everything is locked inside.

Even simpler, just use a mechanical device instead of an electronic one. You shouldn't need to update the software on a voting machine - what they should do is pretty damn well defined, engineering-wise!

twoggle
03-03-2012, 12:10 AM
For those that haven't seen it, you must watch "Murder Spies and Voting Lies", which can be seen in parts on YouTube

Thanks for the link. I watched all 7 parts and it seems obvious to me that election fraud is the primary
reason to use these electronic voting machines. A secondary reason might be to pass along big contracts
to voting machine companies. I highly recommend this series of videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhBtfiRKaVY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRTnmpDZPS4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejue4onX5OQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMqVM79-5C0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMjk48AzCJY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VS5ZTaQGSw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrFKkIGJ9HM

I think that helping people learn about Ron Paul and about election fraud is a good
way to transform this country. Thanks again for the link.

economics102
03-03-2012, 12:21 AM
The truth is, like so much else in American politics, the people know things are rotten to the core but they also feel like they are powerless to stop it and so they instead try to convince themselves things are really ok.

Constructing a "proof" like the one in that video is totally unnecessary.

Anyone who claims that a closed-source, black-box voting system operated by people we don't trust, can be trusted, because the technology "can't be hacked," that is a totally incredulous claim no matter what the technology being discussed is. Oh yes, COMPUTERS may be notoriously vulnerable to hacking but VOTING MACHINES are perfectly safe! :rolleyes:

The powers-that-be said with a big slimy grin on their faces "we're going to count the votes with computers now!" and the American people said "derrr, ok, whatever."

nedomedo
03-15-2012, 04:44 PM
People who believe election fraud doesn't exist at all need to see this video. Its easy and it doesn't require a lot of people. This is exactly what that thread about vote flipping is talking about.

helmuth_hubener
03-15-2012, 04:49 PM
Video removed by user. What was it?

John F Kennedy III
03-15-2012, 04:54 PM
Can we PLEASE stop using words like PROOF when it doesn't prove anything. It just proves it is possible.

Yelling "PROOF" all the time just takes away your credibility.


Besides...if what you say is true, then I guess there is no point in donating any more money. If he is sure to lose anyway (since he will never win by a landslide like you say is required) it is just throwing money away.

Glad to see one plant gone. Now for all the others.

nedomedo
03-15-2012, 05:00 PM
Video removed by user. What was it?

updated, found another link

Tiso0770
03-15-2012, 05:16 PM
Here is one to sum it up nicely....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttyIpO8EM-I

Carson
03-15-2012, 06:07 PM
Someone pointed out in another thread that there is a difference between voter fraud, which is a voter breaking and election law and election fraud, which would include the criminals in the government tampering with an election.

Now when I read someone saying voter fraud when they are talking about election fraud it makes my head get goofy.

I just wanted to share the love.

acptulsa
03-15-2012, 06:11 PM
If you believe there is wide spread voter fraud, and that the system is as corrupt as described, then you must realize that supporting Ron is a waste of time and money ... YES ?

Why do you even vote ?
Why are you even here ?

The system is rigged, and you know you can't change it.

American Idol is on soon, join the portion of society that doesn't care, and doesn't vote ... Because I do believe you, completely.

I guess you won't be joining us in Tampa, then?

Good.

Carson
03-15-2012, 06:38 PM
If you believe there is wide spread voter fraud, and that the system is as corrupt as described, then you must realize that supporting Ron is a waste of time and money ... YES ?

Why do you even vote ?
Why are you even here ?

The system is rigged, and you know you can't change it.

American Idol is on soon, join the portion of society that doesn't care, and doesn't vote ... Because I do believe you, completely.


Once we have this worked out, we will find something that works. We may have to give up voting for the time being but something will come to mind.

Integrity in an election processes is attainable at this moment with honest people. No reason why we can't restore it. We change things all of the time!

Butchie
03-15-2012, 06:45 PM
How does this prove anything? It's proves voter fraud is possible, it doesn't prove any votes were stolen from Ron.

nedomedo
03-15-2012, 07:43 PM
I don't care if Ron Paul wins or not I support him all the way. Some Ron Paul supporters don't get the point. Even if he drops out I will still write him in. Even before he announced he would run many of us real supporters wanted him run just so that he could be present and inject real issues into the debate.

This movement is much bigger than many of you think. Ron Paul has already won in my eyes, so many people will run and are running for office that are Ron Paul supporters. He is motivating so many people.

Besides whoever wins the presidency is going to take all the blame for the financial collapse that we will probably witness soon. Ron Paul would look much better as the one who has always been right, then the guy everyone will blame for austerity and everything that will happen.

To the guy who doesn't believe in fraud. How can you say that after hundreds of occasions of Ron Paul being marginalized, omitted from press, attacked on every level. We are handicapped in this fight. You can live in your illusion world if you like, but I am not. I KNOW THEY HAVE COMMITTED FRAUD! VOTES IN MY PRECINCT WERE NOT COUNTED IF YOU GO TO NEVADA GOP WEBSITE VOTES FOR PRECINCT
6703 SHOW A BUNCH OF ZEROS!

People who don't believe in election fraud are naive and are not hardcore Ron Paul supporters. Apparently they would rather listen to the status quo than to think about something logically.
NO-ONE-BUT-PAUL!!!!

dancjm
03-15-2012, 07:53 PM
The solution is simple.

Paper Ballots