View Full Version : Barack Obama Per AZ Sheriff : Investigation found "Probable Cause" Obama birth certificate is forgery.
DisabledVet
03-01-2012, 08:10 PM
A quick note: The Obama Birth Certificate "conspiracy theory" has just been upgraded from "conspiracy" to "probable cause". There are no longer any such people as "Birtheres".
You should also know that it is the Sheriff's of this great land that have THE MOST POLICE POWER. Yes, they can and have thrown federal agents out of their counties. Their authority usurps ALL. There are Sheriff's that have standing edicts that any and all federal agents must come to their office and ask "pretty please" before conducting any operations in their counties. The White House has pissed off the wrong Sheriff.
Sheriff Joe: 'Probable cause' Obama certificate a fraud
Team wants investigation elevated to criminal-forgery probe – person of interest ID'd
PHOENIX – An investigative “Cold Case Posse” launched six months ago by “America’s toughest sheriff” – Joe Arpaio of Arizona’s Maricopa County – has concluded there is probable cause that the document released by the White House last year as President Obama’s birth certificate is a computer-generated forgery.
The investigative team has asked Arpaio, who is at a news conference in Phoenix live-streamed by WND TV that began at 3 p.m. Eastern time, to elevate the investigation to a criminal probe that will make available the resources of his Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office.The posse says it has identified at least one person of interest in the alleged forgery of Obama’s birth certificate. Arapaio, known for his strict enforcement of immigration laws, commissioned the investigative team after local citizens presented him with a petition expressing concern that Obama might not be eligible for Arizona’s presidential ballot.
The posse, comprised of former law enforcement officers and lawyers with law enforcement experience, has interviewed dozens of witnesses and examined hundreds of documents. It also has taken numerous sworn statements from witnesses around the world. Mike Zullo, Arpaio’s lead investigator, said his team believes the Hawaii Department of Health has engaged in a systematic effort to hide from public inspection any original 1961 birth records it may have in its possession.
“Officers of the Hawaii Department of Health and various elected Hawaiian public officials may have intentionally obscured 1961 birth records and procedures to avoid having to release to public inspection and to the examination of court-authorized forensic examiners any original Obama 1961 birth records the Hawaii Department of Health may or may not have,” Zullo said.
The investigators say the evidence contained in the computer-generated PDF file released by the White House as well as important deficiencies in the Hawaii process of certifying the long-form birth certificate establish probable cause that a forgery has been committed. The investigation was launched after 250 members of the Surprise, Ariz., Tea Party, presented a signed petition to Arpaio in August 2011 asking him to undertake the investigation.
The Tea Party members petitioned under the premise that if a forged birth certificate was used to place Barack Obama on the 2012 Arizona presidential ballot, their rights as Maricopa County voters could be compromised. Arpaio believes a congressional investigation might be warranted and has asked that any information relevant to the investigation held by other law enforcement agencies be forwarded to his office.
The Cold Case Posse advised Arpaio that they believe forgers committed two crimes. First, they say it appears the White House fraudulently created a forgery that it characterized as an officially produced governmental birth record. Second, the White House fraudulently presented to the residents of Maricopa County and to the American public at large a forgery represented as “proof positive” of President Obama’s authentic 1961 Hawaii long-form birth certificate. “A continuing investigation is needed to identify the identity of the person or persons involved in creating the alleged birth certificate forgery and to determine who, if anyone, in the White House or the state of Hawaii may have authorized the forgery,” Arpaio said.
Among the evidence released at the press conference are five videos – which can be seen at the end of this article – to demonstrate why the Obama long-form birth certificate is suspected to be a computer-generated forgery. The videos consist of step-by-step computer demonstrations using a control document. They display the testing used by the investigators to examine various claims made by supporters of the April 27 document. The investigators contend the videos illustrate their conclusion that the features and anomalies observed on the Obama long-form birth certificate were inconsistent with features produced when a paper document is scanned, even if the scan is enhanced by Optical Character Recognition, OCR, and optimized. Additionally, the posse says, the videos demonstrate that the Hawaii Department of Health Registrar’s name stamp and the registrar’s date stamp were computer-generated images imported into an electronic document, as opposed to rubber stamp imprints inked by hand or machine onto a paper document.
“That we were able to cast reasonable suspicions on the authenticity of the registrar stamps was especially disturbing, since these stamp imprints are designed to provide government authentication to the document itself,” Zullo said, emphasizing that if the registrar stamps are forgeries, the document itself is likely a forgery.
The investigators also chronicled a series of allegedly inconsistent and misleading representations that various Hawaii government officials have made over the past five years regarding any original birth records held by the Hawaii Department of Health.
“As I said at the beginning of the investigation, the president can put all this to rest quite easily,” Arpaio said. “All he has to do is demand the Hawaii Department of Health release to the American public and to a panel of certified court-authorized forensic examiners all original 1961 paper, microfilm and computer birth records the Hawaii Department of Health has in its possession.”
Arpaio emphasized that the Hawaii Department of Health needs to provide, as part of the full disclosure, evidence regarding the chain of custody of all Obama birth records, including paper, microfilm and electronic records to eliminate the possibility that a forger or forgers may have tampered with the birth records. The sheriff said the president should also authorize Honolulu’s Kapi’olani Hospital, the birth hospital listed on the Obama long-form birth certificate, to release any hospital patient records for Stanley Ann Dunham Obama, his mother, and for the newly born Barack Obama, to provide corroboration for the records held in the Hawaii Department of Health vault.
“Absent the authentic Hawaii Department of Health 1961 birth records for Barack Obama, there is no other credible proof supporting the idea or belief that President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, as he and the White House have consistently asserted,” Zullo said.
“In fact, absent the authentication of Hawaii Department of Health 1961 birth records for Barack Obama, there is no other proof he was born anywhere within the United States.”
In addition, investigators say they have developed credible evidence that President Obama’s Selective Service card was a forgery, based on an examination of the postal date stamp on the document. Also, records of Immigration and Naturalization Service cards filled out by passengers arriving on international flights originating outside the United States in the month of August 1961, examined at the National Archives in Washington, D.C., are missing records for the week of President Obama’s birth.
1. Introduction – Regular Scan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ID_KfcmG9gs
2. Layers, Stamp & Noise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=S40WKxKSlHc
3. OCR Theory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qDzMYWTjds&feature=player_embedded
4. Optimization
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WQUGwEZ-xDo
5. Conclusion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jgTZUVpb3dk
6. Selective Service
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CHAM3hRI8_Y
kathy88
03-01-2012, 08:39 PM
This stuff intrigues me, but it will never go anywhere.
Bruno
03-01-2012, 08:46 PM
I find myself for the first time ever cheering Sheriff Joe Arpaio's actions.
DisabledVet
03-01-2012, 08:48 PM
No such thing as a "Brther" anymore. That went out the window with the "conspiracy" of a forged birth certificate. We now have a criminal investigation based on the legal doctrine of "Probable Cause".
git her a seat nex2 "dMx" !
slamhead
03-01-2012, 09:01 PM
An original source.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/sheriff-joes-posse-probable-cause-obama-certificate-a-fraud/
Godmode7
03-01-2012, 09:05 PM
This is awesome! Would be even better if they deport him! Would love to see all of his supporters faces:D lol
DisabledVet
03-01-2012, 09:09 PM
This is awesome! Would be even better if they deport him! Would love to see all of his supporters faces:D lol
Heck his Uncle is about to get sentenced for his DUI.... the whole family makes poor decisions. My good friend was killed by a drunk driver unloading a gurney from the back of am ambulance.
RonRules
03-01-2012, 09:33 PM
What was new to me was the "Selective Service" stamp fraud. That's pretty solid evidence and you don't need to be an Adobe Illustrator expert to accept it. If you want to save time, just watch the last video.
RonRules
03-01-2012, 09:34 PM
This is awesome! Would be even better if they deport him! Would love to see all of his supporters faces:D lol
Where? Kenya or Indonesia?
heavenlyboy34
03-01-2012, 09:46 PM
I find myself for the first time ever cheering Sheriff Joe Arpaio's actions. +1 :eek:
RonRules
03-01-2012, 09:59 PM
I wish another state would join and prevent Obama from being on the ballot. I'm thinking Montana could do that.
I wish another state would join and prevent Obama from being on the ballot. I'm thinking Montana could do that.
I'll have to check what is going on in MT on this issue. Certainly not getting press here, yet.
RonRules
03-01-2012, 10:13 PM
Full Video of Sheriff Joe Arpaio Press Conference 3/1/12 - Obama Eligibility Cold Case Investigation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1wiGDYPALI
I'm so tired of hearing about this birth certificate crap. Can we just move on?
RonRules
03-01-2012, 10:52 PM
No
qh4dotcom
03-02-2012, 12:18 AM
I'm so tired of hearing about this birth certificate crap. Can we just move on?
If you want to stop hearing about that, then you need to repeal the Constitution's natural born citizen requirements
Heck his Uncle is about to get sentenced for his DUI.... the whole family makes poor decisions. My good friend was killed by a drunk driver unloading a gurney from the back of am ambulance.
You mean the uncle who is an illegal alien, who will probably get to stay in the county anyway just like Obama's illegal alien aunt?
RonRules
03-02-2012, 04:48 AM
The other thing that was newly discovered from Sheriff Joe's investigation is that one week's worth of INS inbound records in Hawaii are missing around the time of Obama's birth. They may have been removed to hide the fraud of his mom and baby Barack coming in the country to register him as a new citizen.
They also explain why the entry in the newspaper about his birth did not mean that he was born in HI.
Sheriff Joe is a big guy ... They're gonna need a big rug, if they want to sweep this away.
steph3n
03-02-2012, 08:29 AM
This sheriff is a thug that does all kinds of bad things to cover up his own actions....
hillertexas
03-02-2012, 09:21 AM
wow
RonRules
03-02-2012, 09:32 AM
If you all want Obama out of office and looking for a plan B, please consider talking to your local Sheriff. I happen to know my local Sheriff quite well and I'll do my part here in California. It's an uphill battle for a place like Southern California, but there are states like Idaho, Montana and possibly Texas that would go for this.
COpatriot
03-02-2012, 09:41 AM
I can't think of a pair of dirtbags that deserve each other more than Obama and Arpaio.
Dianne
03-02-2012, 09:58 AM
Andrew Breitbart was called by Dr. Jerome Corsi a few hours before his death, to schedule an interview with Sheriff Arpaio yesterday.
Feeding the Abscess
03-02-2012, 10:05 AM
Andrew Breitbart was called by Dr. Jerome Corsi a few hours before his death, to schedule an interview with Sheriff Arpaio yesterday.
Coincidence.
smithtg
03-02-2012, 10:29 AM
What was new to me was the "Selective Service" stamp fraud. That's pretty solid evidence and you don't need to be an Adobe Illustrator expert to accept it. If you want to save time, just watch the last video.
that was new to me as well. seems pretty cut and dried until obama finds some postal official to make a statement that they had stamps like that
smithtg
03-02-2012, 10:30 AM
I'm so tired of hearing about this birth certificate crap. Can we just move on?
forgery is forgery. If you don't want to get in trouble, don't do it obama
iamse7en
03-02-2012, 10:36 AM
Can someone help me with this?
I've played around with scanners and OCR since I was a kid... I'm 100% convinced that the birth certificate released by the White House was either created or heavily tampered with on a computer. You just cannot create that clean of layers (e.g. the entire green background, or entire signature stamps, names, etc) from OCR and/or optimization.
However... any idiot knows there will be the traces of layers left. The people who created the document... why in the hell would they not print out the forgery, then just re-scan it? So simple. It would have removed so much controversy... I just cannot accept that these clowns FORGOT to do that. Was it done on purpose? And if so, why? Distraction from larger issues? It is perplexing!
Philosophy_of_Politics
03-02-2012, 11:11 AM
I believe the birther issue, is legit. However, I also believe they aren't going to let that get in the way. Obama's rise to power has grown to quickly, and too large. He'll blow off every court summons. I truly wouldn't doubt if Arpeio ends up being dead in 6 months to 2 years.
RonRules
03-02-2012, 11:19 AM
However... any idiot knows there will be the traces of layers left. The people who created the document... why in the hell would they not print out the forgery, then just re-scan it? So simple. It would have removed so much controversy... I just cannot accept that these clowns FORGOT to do that. Was it done on purpose? And if so, why? Distraction from larger issues? It is perplexing!
Here's a rule I use: "Consider incompetence before conspiracies."
It may have been difficult to find a very competent Adobe Illustrator specialist that 1) had a top secret clearance 2) was willing to do high level fraud against the constitution, violating his oath.
They had to resort to some incompetent scumbag sellout like a FU Frank to do the dirty work.
Dianne
03-02-2012, 02:24 PM
This is on Drudge:
http://www.infowars.com/breitbart-wait-til-they-see-what-happens-march-1st/
Breitbart: "Wait til they see what happens on March 1st"
Breitbart died hours before planned release of damning Obama footage
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Friday, March 2, 2012
In a stunning coincidence, It appears Andrew Breitbart suffered his untimely death just hours before he was set to release damning video footage that could have sunk Barack Obama’s 2012 re-election campaign.
Around three weeks ago on February 9 during the ‘Blog Bash’ event in Washington DC, Breitbart made a prophetic comment that takes on a somewhat chilling nature given the fact that he died in the early hours of March 1st.
Speaking to Lawrence Sinclair of Sinclair News, Breitbart stated, “Wait til they see what happens March 1st.”
It’s almost certain that Breitbart was referring to his plan to release damning footage of President Obama that he had been promising to reveal throughout the month of February.
As we reported yesterday, Breitbart spoke of his intention to release the tape during his CPAC speech last month. The footage shows Obama in his college days appearing alongside former Weather Underground terrorists Bill and Bernardine Dohrn. Observers had speculated that the footage could have derailed Obama’s hopes for a second term.
“I’ve got video from his college days that show you why racial division and class warfare are central to what hope and change was sold in 2008 – the videos are going to come out,” said Breitbart, adding that Obama would be vetted.
You don’t have to be a conspiracy theorist to appreciate the downright weirdness of Breitbart predicting a major event to occur on March 1st, only for him to end up dying on that very date. Breitbart was officially pronounced dead at 12:19am
Although the cause of Breitbart’s death was hastily reported to be of “natural causes,” the Los Angeles County coroner’s office have refused to confirm anything until an autopsy has been performed.
According to marketing executive Arthur Sando, Breitbart spent his final hour in a bar near his home called the Brentwood sipping red wine and talking politics. After leaving the bar at around 11:30pm, Breitbart began to walk home before apparently suffering a fatal heart attack.
Although it is reported that Breitbart was rushed to Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, when Lawrence Sinclair called the hospital, they denied that anyone by that name had been admitted within the previous 72 hours.
Watch the CPAC video below where Breitbart mentions the Obama footage he had seemingly planned to release just hours before his death.
69360
03-02-2012, 03:23 PM
Sheriff Joe is just doing wag the dog to distract attention from his own problems. Brietbart's death looks mighty suspicious to me though.
DerailingDaTrain
03-02-2012, 03:35 PM
He's a citizen. Get over it people.
DerailingDaTrain
03-02-2012, 04:52 PM
No..... he is not.
He was born in Hawaii which is a state and therefore he is an American citizen. Get over it.
This will never accomplish anything and anyone who thinks the country elected a Kenyan to be POTUS is not connected to reality. Sheriff Joe A. is a perfect example of this.
DisabledVet
03-02-2012, 06:06 PM
He was born in Hawaii which is a state and therefore he is an American citizen. Get over it.
This will never accomplish anything and anyone who thinks the country elected a Kenyan to be POTUS is not connected to reality. Sheriff Joe A. is a perfect example of this.
So it's your opinion VS the results of professional investigators, document forgery experts and fraud experts ?
I'm having trouble giving your opinion any weight.
Bruno
03-02-2012, 06:16 PM
He was born in Hawaii which is a state and therefore he is an American citizen. Get over it.
This will never accomplish anything and anyone who thinks the country elected a Kenyan to be POTUS is not connected to reality. Sheriff Joe A. is a perfect example of this.
He is a citizen, so you're crazy if you think he's not? Not a strong argument.
But to flip it, there is ample reason provided to doubt his citizenship, and anyone who thinks otherwise is not connected with reality.
TheTexan
03-02-2012, 08:19 PM
We could have a video tape of the forgery being made, the testimony of the author of the forged document, and a dozen eye witnesses, and bank transactions to these individuals in the tens of millions of dollars, and we'd still get nowhere with this.
I'm not going to say it's an entire waste of time to investigate, but I will say that your time could probably be better spent elsewhere. This isn't the solution to our Obama problem, or our "our country doesn't give a shit about the constitution" problem.
DisabledVet
03-02-2012, 09:37 PM
We could have a video tape of the forgery being made, the testimony of the author of the forged document, and a dozen eye witnesses, and bank transactions to these individuals in the tens of millions of dollars, and we'd still get nowhere with this.
I'm not going to say it's an entire waste of time to investigate, but I will say that your time could probably be better spent elsewhere. This isn't the solution to our Obama problem, or our "our country doesn't give a shit about the constitution" problem.
The 14th amendment to the Constitution is the reason Obama could be removed from office, and the 10th amendment is the reason he will stay in office.
Remember it is Hawaii, that has the proof (in the form of his original copy of the birth certificate) one way or another, and no matter what congress or the government does, they cannot compel Hawaii to show the birth certificate. So on that alone, case closed end of story...... sadly. But as the true party of the Constitution, we understand and stand behind that document.
libertybrewcity
03-02-2012, 09:46 PM
Interesting. I wish a state would pass a law that requires all federal candidates to show their birth certificate to get on the ballot. That would seriously solve everything..
This sheriff is a thug that does all kinds of bad things to cover up his own actions....
And you know this because you've exposed it, or just read stories on the Internet ?
Sheriff Joe is just doing wag the dog to distract attention from his own problems. Brietbart's death looks mighty suspicious to me though.Would that be that his State is still being sued for attempting to do what the Federal government has failed to do, and that Obama's minions did in fact pull his authority to enforce immigration laws ?
We could have a video tape of the forgery being made, the testimony of the author of the forged document, and a dozen eye witnesses, and bank transactions to these individuals in the tens of millions of dollars, and we'd still get nowhere with this.
I'm not going to say it's an entire waste of time to investigate, but I will say that your time could probably be better spent elsewhere. This isn't the solution to our Obama problem, or our "our country doesn't give a shit about the constitution" problem.
If you support not investigating an issue that went from "conspiracy" to "probable cause" for further investigation ... You support the idea that this country doesn't give a shit about the Constitution ... Or at the least, you don't give a shit about the Constitution.
Which is it ?
The 14th amendment to the Constitution is the reason Obama could be removed from office, and the 10th amendment is the reason he will stay in office.
Remember it is Hawaii, that has the proof (in the form of his original copy of the birth certificate) one way or another, and no matter what congress or the government does, they cannot compel Hawaii to show the birth certificate. So on that alone, case closed end of story...... sadly. But as the true party of the Constitution, we understand and stand behind that document.
And we also now know how easy it is to circumvent the entire process and via non-violence overthrow an entire system of government.
Interesting. I wish a state would pass a law that requires all federal candidates to show their birth certificate to get on the ballot. That would seriously solve everything..
The current process states that a candidate must submit a letter stating they are who they claim to be.
It is then up to political party affiliation to vet the candidate ... If it is ever shown this did not happen, many people need to be tried for treason, perhaps.
TheTexan
03-02-2012, 11:35 PM
If you support not investigating an issue that went from "conspiracy" to "probable cause" for further investigation ... You support the idea that this country doesn't give a shit about the Constitution ... Or at the least, you don't give a shit about the Constitution.
Which is it ?
These people using the Constitution to try to kick the President out are the same people who don't care about the other 4500 words in the Constitution, so best case scenario, in the miraculous event this takes off, we kick Obama out and replace him with another terrible president.
Acknowledging that, this just becomes a rule of law issue. Don't get me wrong, enforcing the rule of law is a good endeavor don't get me wrong, I'm just thinking you might want to focus on a little more Patricia Cook, or getting a declaration of war, than whether or not that piece of paper is real.
These people using the Constitution to try to kick the President out are the same people who don't care about the other 4500 words in the Constitution, so best case scenario, in the miraculous event this takes off, we kick Obama out and replace him with another terrible president.
Acknowledging that, this just becomes a rule of law issue. Don't get me wrong, enforcing the rule of law is a good endeavor don't get me wrong, I'm just thinking you might want to focus on a little more Patricia Cook, or getting a declaration of war, than whether or not that piece of paper is real.
Which Patricia Cook ?
There are millions to choose from as a diversion from the topic - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Patricia Cook&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1371&bih=945&wrapid=tlif133075391777310&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=hbFRT7-eGIeAsgKzu5zwBQ ... And the Decleration of War ?? ... What are you talking about LOL
Now back to the topic,
It would be much more involved than just replacing one bad Presdient with another bad President.
If it is shown that an election was stolen via fraud ... It would most likely be utter chaos, and probably include rioting in the streets.
Everything written and done, would need to be corrected ... Or we could just leave the result in place, and throw everything this country once was ... AWAY !!
Is the nation worth saving, if this was to be the result ?
I believe it is !!!
But if the majority decide to throw it away, I hope I have enough warning so that I may leave this place to it's contemtable self and it's lost government that became pure lies and deception, to be lovingly embraced by it's conscripts.
These people using the Constitution to try to kick the President out are the same people who don't care about the other 4500 words in the Constitution
And an FYI for you ... The origins of this began long before Obama was elected POTUS ;)
This is just the version that has a bit of bite to it.
TheTexan
03-03-2012, 12:16 AM
Which Patricia Cook ?
There are millions to choose from as a diversion from the topic - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Patricia Cook&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1371&bih=945&wrapid=tlif133075391777310&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=hbFRT7-eGIeAsgKzu5zwBQ ... And the Decleration of War ?? ... What are you talking about LOL
I'll let you do your homework before I respond to this post
I'll let you do your homework before I respond to this post
Which Patricia Cook ?
There are millions to choose from as a diversion from the topic - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Patricia Cook&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1371&bih=945&wrapid=tlif133075391777310&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=hbFRT7-eGIeAsgKzu5zwBQ ... And the Decleration of War ?? ... What are you talking about LOL
Now back to the topic,
It would be much more involved than just replacing one bad Presdient with another bad President.
If it is shown that an election was stolen via fraud ... It would most likely be utter chaos, and probably include rioting in the streets.
Everything written and done, would need to be corrected ... Or we could just leave the result in place, and throw everything this country once was ... AWAY !!
Is the nation worth saving, if this was to be the result ?
I believe it is !!!
But if the majority decide to throw it away, I hope I have enough warning so that I may leave this place to it's contemtable self and it's lost government that became pure lies and deception, to be lovingly embraced by it's conscripts.
Take the easy way out by ignoring the topic ... It's your right to do so, and my fault for giving you such an easy out :D
DerailingDaTrain
03-03-2012, 10:26 AM
He is a citizen, so you're crazy if you think he's not? Not a strong argument.
But to flip it, there is ample reason provided to doubt his citizenship, and anyone who thinks otherwise is not connected with reality.
There is no reason provided to doubt his citizenship. He really is a citizen and it just makes RP supporters (or Romney, Gingrich, GOP in general) look bad by stating we believe that Obama is actually a Kenyan. Get over it guys.
Also, I can't believe that anyone here would give credit to a thing Joe A. says. Have you ever heard him speak? Guy is not connected to reality at all. Why can't people just accept the fact that he is an American citizen and start disliking him for the right reasons?
DisabledVet
03-03-2012, 01:45 PM
Why can't people just accept the fact that he is an American citizen and start disliking him for the right reasons?
Why? Because when a law enforcement orginization releases the results of a 6 month investigation indicating probable cause of forgery...that's why.
Why cant YOU accept evidence instead of hearsay when it comes to vetting the POTUS?
DerailingDaTrain
03-03-2012, 06:18 PM
Why? Because when a law enforcement orginization releases the results of a 6 month investigation indicating probable cause of forgery...that's why.
Why cant YOU accept evidence instead of hearsay when it comes to vetting the POTUS?
Yeah, Sheriff Joe and his crack team of LEO found the smoking gun, BS. This is not evidence but opinion by a man who should be given no credit by anyone who is sane and a group of people he assembled. I'm sure the only reason he and the rest of his Tea Party followers want Obama out of office is because he is bi racial and a democrat. Just accept that he is an American and move on to hating him for the right reasons.
DisabledVet
03-03-2012, 08:02 PM
Yeah, Sheriff Joe and his crack team of LEO found the smoking gun, BS. This is not evidence but opinion by a man who should be given no credit by anyone who is sane and a group of people he assembled. I'm sure the only reason he and the rest of his Tea Party followers want Obama out of office is because he is bi racial and a democrat. Just accept that he is an American and move on to hating him for the right reasons.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/giles/spiders_110611/son-i-am-disappoint.jpg
BlackTerrel
03-03-2012, 08:28 PM
I guess some people have problem admitting when they are wrong.
W_BRANDON
03-04-2012, 05:30 AM
I have never been compelled to research or even really learn about the "birther" theory. I did always feel like the birther crowd was a very determined and convinced bunch.
I could never understand why the alleged co-conspirators would choose an individual (Obama) for their "project" that would require so much loose-end tying and white-washing. It seems they could have made it a lot easier on themselves if they had just chosen a naturalized citizen to carry out whatever it is they tasked to Obama. I mean Obama is not that unique or special. It just seems like an unnecessary and unwise liability to take on from the beginning, which would always pose an existential threat to whatever covert agendas and goals they may have.
I would appreciate if someone had any good literature on the subject or multimedia they could point me to.
Marky
03-04-2012, 08:21 AM
Most the Birthers I’ve encountered are pro-war idiots who hate Muslims and think Obama is secretly implementing Shariah law. Yet they're too dumb to even realize what Islam and Shariah really is because they get all their info from professional Islamophobes/ militant Israel-firsters.
Maybe there’s something to the Birther theories…but these same people didn’t mind the Bush Crime Family and their proven history of treachery and destruction. I’m personally more disturbed by the Skull & Bones than by some 1960’s radicals. Obomba is certainly corrupt and evil…but how does this make him unique from any of the other presidents who’s job it was to implement the NWO?
The Birther theory seems to play into the hands of the neocon agenda and the BS Dem/Repub diametric. I’m not saying it doesn’t have merit. I’m just saying the people promoting it are mostly blind partisans who want more death and destruction.
thoughtomator
03-04-2012, 08:48 AM
So is Dr. Paul a Democrat partisan for being anti-war? The guilt-by-association line of thinking is flimsy at best.
If you are a Constitutionalist, then it's an important issue. If you think it's OK to ignore the Constitution, then it's not.
The Constitution says the President has to be a natural born citizen. Challenged to prove he met this qualification, he produced a forged document.
Why produce a forged document if he was really a natural born citizen? Why also are all of his other records that would indicate citizenship under lock and key?
Where there's smoke, there's fire, and Obama is chain smoking.
thoughtomator
03-04-2012, 08:50 AM
By the way, I also thought this was an imaginary issue - until he produced the forged document and I verified that it was forged for myself, using a copy of the document I myself downloaded the day of release from the WH site itself.
There's simply no reason to do what he did if he's actually eligible to be President, to say nothing of the millions spent on hiding documents.
DerailingDaTrain
03-04-2012, 08:54 AM
I laugh at those words when I read them. ^ The document isn't forged.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo0eTspzUkk&feature=related
So is Dr. Paul a Democrat partisan for being anti-war? The guilt-by-association line of thinking is flimsy at best.
If you are a Constitutionalist, then it's an important issue. If you think it's OK to ignore the Constitution, then it's not.
The Constitution says the President has to be a natural born citizen. Challenged to prove he met this qualification, he produced a forged document.
Why produce a forged document if he was really a natural born citizen? Why also are all of his other records that would indicate citizenship under lock and key?
Where there's smoke, there's fire, and Obama is chain smoking.
This kind of upset me, and has me wondering what's up with this entire story.
Actually he did a rare flip-flop on the eligibility issue
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Ron Paul: Obama's Constitutional Eligibility To Be President Is Irrelevant - 4/20/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Porel0FMEHU
"We should know the truth and we should follow the rule, we should follow the law, we should follow what the Constitution says about who is qualified to be President. So, I am very open-minded about looking at all of that."
- Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoQ3kO9xzcs#t=1m30s
DerailingDaTrain
03-04-2012, 01:22 PM
For those unfamiliar with Sheriff Joe Arpaio I suggest you do some reading to find out what type of person he really is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maricopa_County_Sheriff%27s_Office_controversies#J oe_Arpaio
For those unfamiliar with Sheriff Joe Arpaio I suggest you do some reading to find out what type of person he really is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maricopa_County_Sheriff's_Office_controversies#Joe _Arpaio
Attacking the messenger never works as planned.
What do you think of post #62 ?
DerailingDaTrain
03-04-2012, 01:32 PM
Attacking the messenger never works as planned.
What do you think of post #62 ?
We followed the law and investigated and found out that he is a citizen. Ron himself would say that Obama was born here if asked. Here is a quote from an article about this "new evidence":
On March 1, 2012, Arpaio announced the investigation had found that "probable cause exists indicating that forgery and fraud may have been committed" in the release of Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate. A Hawaiian official stated that no one from Arpaio's office ever requested to inspect or collect documents related to the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate. The Phoenix New Times noted Arapio's report contained a "grand total of zero new information" and that everything in the report has already been debunked
Even Donald Trump backed off after the long form certificate was released why can't you just leave it alone? Do you honestly think this will ever lead to anything? RNC Chariman Steele, Sarah Palin, Limbaugh, all of them no longer talk about this because it made them look bad when the evidence came out that he was an American born citizen. Even the McCain/Palin campaign rejected it as false and decided not to use it in attack ads during the election.
We followed the law and investigated and found out that he is a citizen. Ron himself would say that Obama was born here if asked. Here is a quote from an article about this "new evidence":
On March 1, 2012, Arpaio announced the investigation had found that "probable cause exists indicating that forgery and fraud may have been committed" in the release of Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate. A Hawaiian official stated that no one from Arpaio's office ever requested to inspect or collect documents related to the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate. The Phoenix New Times noted Arapio's report contained a "grand total of zero new information" and that everything in the report has already been debunked
Even Donald Trump backed off after the long form certificate was released why can't you just leave it alone? Do you honestly think this will ever lead to anything? RNC Chariman Steele, Sarah Palin, Limbaugh, all of them no longer talk about this because it made them look bad when the evidence came out that he was an American born citizen. Even the McCain/Palin campaign rejected it as false and decided not to use it in attack ads during the election.
And what do you think of RP saying it should be investigated on 08, and then in 11 stating it is irrelevant ?
That's what I am getting at, so don't tell me what he would say if asked.
Because he clearly thought it should be investigated, and gave justification, then 3 years later, he's promoting the line this administrations wants people to hear.
The issue is irrelevant, and so is the Constitution, if there is truth to the accusation and it is ignored ... YES ?
DerailingDaTrain
03-04-2012, 01:51 PM
And what do you think of RP saying it should be investigated on 08, and then in 11 stating it is irrelevant ?
That's what I am getting at, so don't tell me what he would say if asked.
Because he clearly thought it should be investigated, and gave justification, then 3 years later, he's promoting the line this administrations wants people to hear.
The issue is irrelevant, and so is the Constitution, if there is truth to the accusation and it is ignored ... YES ?
He was asked by a birther if it should be investigated and Ron looked to the Constitution (like always) for the answer and stated:
"We should know the truth and we should follow the rule, we should follow the law, we should follow what the Constitution says about who is qualified to be President. So, I am very open-minded about looking at all of that."
All that means is if there is any probable cause (or reasonable susp. depending on where you're at) it should be investigated because the Constitution says that the President must be a natural born citizen and if he wasn't that would in violation of the Constitution. It was investigated and proven that he is in fact an American citizen who was born in Hawaii.
He was asked by a birther if it should be investigated and Ron looked to the Constitution (like always) for the answer and stated:
"We should know the truth and we should follow the rule, we should follow the law, we should follow what the Constitution says about who is qualified to be President. So, I am very open-minded about looking at all of that."
All that means is if there is any probable cause (or reasonable susp. depending on where you're at) it should be investigated because the Constitution says that the President must be a natural born citizen and if he wasn't that would in violation of the Constitution. It was investigated and proven that he is in fact an American citizen who was born in Hawaii.
Who investigated it and thus allowed RP to develop this conclusion ?
Like you said,
Probable Cause !!
This Sheriff has made that exact claim, so perhaps the available data has changed ... YES ?
I agree with Paul ... We should know the truth.
DerailingDaTrain
03-04-2012, 02:10 PM
The truth is known and it is that Barack Obama is a citizen of the United States of America who was born in the state of Hawaii and that Sheriff Joe Arpaio is a terrible person who apparently only read one part of the Constitution and has no credibility. The "evidence" he has shown has been debunked and you can find the info for yourself through a simple Google search.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1tfIKUZ0fY
During the summer of 2003, when outside temperatures exceeded 110 °F (43 °C), which is higher than average, Arpaio said to complaining inmates, "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and the soldiers are living in tents, have to wear full body armor, and they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths." Inmates were given permission to wear only their pink underwear.
In 2008, when Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon called for a federal investigation into Arpaio's immigration enforcement tactics, Arpaio's office responded by demanding the mayor's emails and phone logs. Arpaio also had his critic Maricopa County Supervisor Don Stapley, a Republican, arrested on suspicion of failing to properly disclose business interests
In an interview on the ABC Nightline news program, when asked to explain why 82 percent of cases were declared cleared by exception, Arpaio said "We do clear a higher percentage of that. I know that. We clear many, many cases -- not 18 percent." Nightline contacted the MCSO after the interview and was told that of 7,346 crimes, only 944, or 15%, had been cleared by arrest.
In 1998, Arpaio commissioned a study, by Arizona State University criminal justice professor Marie L. Griffin, to examine recidivism rates based on conditions of confinement. Comparing recidivism rates under Arpaio to those under his predecessor, the study found "there was no significant difference in recidivism observed between those offenders released in 1989-1990 and those released in 1994-1995."
Richard Post was a paraplegic inmate arrested in 1996 for possession of marijuana and criminal trespass. Post was placed in a restraint chair by guards and his neck was broken in the process. The event, caught on video, shows guards smiling and laughing while Post is being injured. Because of his injuries, Post has lost much of the use of his arms. Post settled his claims against the Sheriff's office for $800,000
Brian Crenshaw was a legally blind and mentally disabled inmate who suffered fatal injuries while being held in Maricopa County Jail for shoplifting. The injuries that led to his death were initially blamed on a fall from his bunk but were later discovered to have been the result of a brutal beating by jail guards on March 7, 2003.
On July 23, 2004 SWAT served a search warrant looking for "a stockpile of illegal automatic weapons and armor-piercing pistol ammunition" that they believed was hidden at an upscale home. In the course of serving the warrant, multiple tear gas cartridges were launched into the home. The result of which was the home catching fire. During the fire, SWAT forced the homeowner's 10-month-old pit bull puppy back into the home with a fire extinguisher, causing the dog's death. It was reported that the officers laughed over the incident. Also, the armored personnel carrier used during the assault ran over and damaged a neighbor's vehicle when its brakes failed. Police recovered two weapons; one antique shotgun; and one 9mm pistol. Both weapons are legal to own in Arizona. After failing to find illicit weapons the police served an arrest warrant for the owner who was also wanted on a misdemeanor warrant for failing to appear in Tempe Municipal Court on a couple of traffic citations
A federal judge ruled, in October 2008, that conditions in Maricopa County jails violate the constitutional rights of inmates. In April, 2010, the same judge ruled that conditions in the Maricopa County jails continue to violate the constitutional rights of inmates.
Yeah...Sheriff Joe is such a constitutionalist and a damn fine Sheriff.
The Smithsonian Institute created an entire family based on a HOAX.
When new evidence was made available, it upset many people and ruined careers.
For decades, a fossil skull discovered in Piltdown, England, was hailed as the missing link between apes and humans. Entire careers were built on its authenticity. Then in 1953, the awful truth came out: "Piltdown Man" was a fake! But who done it? In "The Boldest Hoax," NOVA gets to the bottom of the greatest scientific hoodwinking of all time.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/hoax/
Who are you to tell anyone that what has been presented is not valid ?
DerailingDaTrain
03-04-2012, 02:30 PM
The Smithsonian Institute created an entire family based on a HOAX.
When new evidence was made available, it upset many people and ruined careers.
Who are you to tell anyone that what has been presented is not valid ?
This has nothing to do with Obama or his citizenship or the forging of documents. I don't even see how you can think this relates to the conversation. Please tell me why you consider Joe Arpaio a credible person and trust him to defend the Constitution when he clearly hasn't read it?
This has nothing to do with Obama or his citizenship or the forging of documents. I don't even see how you can think this relates to the conversation. Please tell me why you consider Joe Arpaio a credible person and trust him to defend the Constitution when he clearly hasn't read it?
He's a duly elected official, and is as credible as any other elected official.
DerailingDaTrain
03-04-2012, 02:35 PM
He's a duly elected official, and is as credible as any other elected official.
lol have you not watched the videos that I posted or read anything about him? Anyone who believes that Joe is a credible individual clearly doesn't know anything about him, his views, or his history.
lol have you not watched the videos that I posted or read anything about him? Anyone who believes that Joe is a credible individual clearly doesn't know anything about him, his views, or his history.
I live in his State, and IMO, those who attempt to discredit his actions are in favor of amnesty, or are strong supporters of Obama and the progressive movement.
Yet none of this changes the aspect of a Sheriff, one of the highest LE positions within this country stating that probable cause exists, and that Congress should investigate.
Do you have a problem with knowing the truth ?
DerailingDaTrain
03-04-2012, 03:16 PM
I live in his State, and IMO, those who attempt to discredit his actions are in favor of amnesty, or are strong supporters of Obama and the progressive movement.
Yet none of this changes the aspect of a Sheriff, one of the highest LE positions within this country stating that probable cause exists, and that Congress should investigate.
Do you have a problem with knowing the truth ?
Edit: I replaced my big response with this. Reading some of your other posts in different threads it has already been made clear by others that you are anti-immigration (not just illegals but all immigrants). So in response I offer my hearty laugh at your ignorance instead. lol if you don't like Sheriff Joe and his horrible ignorant policies then you are a progressive liberal lover! I think it is time to get some new tin foil for your hat.
Godmode7
03-04-2012, 03:24 PM
lol have you not watched the videos that I posted or read anything about him? Anyone who believes that Joe is a credible individual clearly doesn't know anything about him, his views, or his history.
Credible or not. As long as they can prove it in court is all I care about:)
DerailingDaTrain
03-04-2012, 03:25 PM
Credible or not. As long as they can prove it in court is all I care about:)
They don't have a snow balls chance in Hell.
Edit: I replaced my big response with this. Reading some of your other posts in different threads it has already been made clear by others that you are anti-immigration (not just illegals but all immigrants). So in response I offer my hearty laugh at your ignorance instead. lol if you don't like Sheriff Joe and his horrible ignorant policies then you are a progressive liberal lover! I think it is time to get some new tin foil for your hat.
You did pick a good username, the problem is you fall for whatever suits your purpose, and ignore the desire for truth.
Credible or not. As long as they can prove it in court is all I care about:)
They don't have a snow balls chance in Hell.
Thus solidifying the aspect that you do not desire to know the truth, and are not willing to defend the Constitution.
Yea,
I swore an oath, and it knows no time limit ... If the truth is not revealed for many years, I will still want to hear what the truth actually is.
David slew Goliath ;)
And that battle is no different than learning the truth, or getting Pual elected.
DerailingDaTrain
03-04-2012, 03:45 PM
They don't have a snow balls chance in Hell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1tfIKUZ0fY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaEFJMhfG_Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a2Fz5513gg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo0eTspzUkk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paNfKnIH9OI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFTUQ71Aq0o&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLCB3254E763441A1F
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hItRBHgvBRE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCbMVRbfvSY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCc6kQlvt2E
lol you made my day much better. all these videos proving how Joe isn't credible were fun watching and I'm sure your response will be how I can't handle the truth or something like that. You keep bringing up the Constitution but since he is a citizen this has nothing to do with that. This has nothing to do with Ron Paul either as Joe has proven that he doesn't support him by endorsing Mitt Romney in 08, Perry in '12, and stating on national television that Herman Cain's double electrified border fence would be a "great idea". Sheriff Joe Arpaio- Defender of the Constitution lol
heavenlyboy34
03-04-2012, 03:54 PM
For those unfamiliar with Sheriff Joe Arpaio I suggest you do some reading to find out what type of person he really is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maricopa_County_Sheriff's_Office_controversies#Joe _Arpaio
Whether you agree with him or not, strawmanning isn't going to further your argument. (btw-I thoroughly dislike Joe myself. He is a fascist, attention whore, and police statist)
DerailingDaTrain
03-04-2012, 03:58 PM
Whether you agree with him or not, strawmanning isn't going to further your argument. (btw-I thoroughly dislike Joe myself. He is a fascist, attention whore, and police statist)
Since when does the person doing the accusing not have their character called into question? I don't know maybe I am being a little harsh on you guys but after looking at all the "evidence" I see nothing that proves Obama isn't a natural born US citizen of Hawaii. If one day you guys get some damning evidence I will admit that I was wrong but until that day I just see it as being absolutely impossible that a Kenyan, Indonesian, or whatever some people think he is could be elected as POTUS without anyone ever speaking a word about this massive conspiracy.
Truth, Justice and The American Way are dead for some, or so it seems ... Sweep it under the rug is the desire, and distortions and personal biases mean more than knowing the truth.
I have little hope for saving this nation, if this is the best some Paul supporters can do.
Since when does the person doing the accusing not have their character called into question? I don't know maybe I am being a little harsh on you guys but after looking at all the "evidence" I see nothing that proves Obama isn't a natural born US citizen of Hawaii. If one day you guys get some damning evidence I will admit that I was wrong but until that day I just see it as being absolutely impossible that a Kenyan, Indonesian, or whatever some people think he is could be elected as POTUS without anyone ever speaking a word about this massive conspiracy.
You are in denial ... It became obvious when you decided to attack the messenger, and not promote the idea of seeking the truth.
DerailingDaTrain
03-04-2012, 04:01 PM
Truth, Justice and The American Way are dead for some, or so it seems ... Sweep it under the rug is the desire, and distortions and personal biases mean more than knowing the truth.
I have little hope for saving this nation, if this is the best some Paul supporters can do.
We are trying to save this nation. Not support liberty haters like Sheriff Joe A who are on a wild goose chase to make Obama out to be a Kenyan socialist.
DerailingDaTrain
03-04-2012, 04:03 PM
You are in denial ... It became obvious when you decided to attack the messenger, and not promote the idea of seeking the truth.
I'm not in denial. I firmly believe that Obama is a US born citizen of Hawaii and this is based in fact. So, if Hitler is the messenger, I can't attack him and his horrible ideas and policies but instead I must promote his message to get to the truth? Lame statement. Sheriff Joe isn't interested in liberty, the Constitution, your rights, or your freedom.
But...if I disagree with someone who has views that are so far off from what this movement believes then I am somehow in denial...yeah
Godmode7
03-04-2012, 04:07 PM
Since when does the person doing the accusing not have their character called into question? I don't know maybe I am being a little harsh on you guys but after looking at all the "evidence" I see nothing that proves Obama isn't a natural born US citizen of Hawaii. If one day you guys get some damning evidence I will admit that I was wrong but until that day I just see it as being absolutely impossible that a Kenyan, Indonesian, or whatever some people think he is could be elected as POTUS without anyone ever speaking a word about this massive conspiracy.
Are you secretly an Obama supporter? People are gonna seek the truth in this matter. Regardless of who is seeking it and for what purpose. I wouldn't care if freaking big bird was spear heading it. Too much controversy and hush hush with the matter for it not to be looked at further.
I'm not in denial. I firmly believe that Obama is a US born citizen of Hawaii and this is based in fact. So, if Hitler is the messenger, I can't attack him and his horrible ideas and policies but instead I must promote his message to get to the truth? Lame statement. Sheriff Joe isn't interested in liberty, the Constitution, your rights, or your freedom.
Distorted reality of another strawman argument ... Pathetic, to say the least.
How many cases have went before a Judge and been refused on the grounds of "Standing" ?
Per Ron Paul (in the earlier posted video) we all have standing ... But continue with your proposal to not seek the truth.
The wheels on the bus go round and round
DerailingDaTrain
03-04-2012, 04:09 PM
I have no response to this stuff anymore. I give up on this. I've been accused of being an Obama supporter, neg repped, insulted, etc. because I won't believe a conspiracy theory cooked up by a racist Sheriff who is in charge of the worst jail in the country. You guys don't believe that this makes us look bad? Is there anyone talking about this who is being taken seriously? Thought so. This man has nothing in common with us but there are people here trying to make him look good because he hates Obama just like we do but he hates him for all the wrong reasons. I'll never support someone who is as despicable as Joe Arpaio.
I have no response to this stuff anymore. I give up on this. I've been accused of being an Obama supporter, neg repped, insulted, etc. because I won't believe a conspiracy theory cooked up by a racist Sheriff who is in charge of the worst jail in the country. You guys don't believe that this makes us look bad? Is there anyone talking about this who is being taken seriously? Thought so.Well take your ball and run home to momma ... LOL
You're the one making the accusations, and denying that the truth should be revealed.
Oh, and
Don't forget to vote for Obama in 2012 ;)
Is there anyone talking about this who is being taken seriously?
YES there is !!!
In 2008 Ron Paul, the guy you claim to be supporting said the people deserve to know the truth (paraphrased).
I guess the biggest difference between us is, I could care less about the REP system, and I sure care more about getting to the truth, than whatever insults might come my way for expressing a concern that any citizen of this nation should possess.
$hit,
If this nation has been overthrown via a non-violent coup ... I wanna know.
DerailingDaTrain
03-04-2012, 04:19 PM
Well take your ball and run home to momma ... LOL
You're the one making the accusations, and denying that the truth should be revealed.
Oh, and
Don't forget to vote for Obama in 2012 ;)
*sigh* Sad. I'll be voting RP for 2012 and I won't be doing it because a racist told me that Obama is a Kenyan socialist and you are so ignorant you can't even see that from Ron Paul's exact words he isn't agreeing with you.
BlackTerrel
03-04-2012, 04:21 PM
I have no response to this stuff anymore. I give up on this. I've been accused of being an Obama supporter, neg repped, insulted, etc. because I won't believe a conspiracy theory cooked up by a racist Sheriff who is in charge of the worst jail in the country. You guys don't believe that this makes us look bad? Is there anyone talking about this who is being taken seriously? Thought so. This man has nothing in common with us but there are people here trying to make him look good because he hates Obama just like we do but he hates him for all the wrong reasons. I'll never support someone who is as despicable as Joe Arpaio.
I'm tired too. But I gave you rep for that. You have more patience than I do.
*sigh* Sad. I'll be voting RP for 2012 and I won't be doing it because a racist told me that Obama is a Kenyan socialist and you are so ignorant you can't even see that from Ron Paul's exact words he isn't agreeing with you.
Is momma coaching you and telling you to stay in the fight ?
DerailingDaTrain
03-04-2012, 04:27 PM
I'm tired too. But I gave you rep for that. You have more patience than I do.
Thanks. I'll leave this thread to those who would rather insult and follow conspiracies than believe the truth.
Thanks. I'll leave this thread to those who would rather insult and follow conspiracies than believe the truth.
What is the truth ?
Is it what Obama and the progressive movement tells you it is, or is it possibly something you do not desire to face ?
The nation can handle the truth ... What it cannot handle is lies and deceptions for political gain.
DerailingDaTrain
03-04-2012, 04:57 PM
What is the truth ?
Is it what Obama and the progressive movement tells you it is, or is it possibly something you do not desire to face ?
The nation can handle the truth ... What it cannot handle is lies and deceptions for political gain.
lol I am not a progressive or an Obama supporter. That is all.
DerailingDaTrain
03-04-2012, 04:58 PM
Is momma coaching you and telling you to stay in the fight ?
lol my Mom would ruin you in a debate.
lol my Mom would ruin you in a debate.
If this is true, you should be pissed that she taught you so little.
DerailingDaTrain
03-04-2012, 05:13 PM
If this is true, you should be pissed that she taught you so little.
You are the one who resulted to petty insults about my intelligence trying to win an argument. You clearly know nothing about debating and even less about the "birther conspiracy".
DisabledVet
03-04-2012, 05:28 PM
Thanks. I'll leave this thread to those who would rather insult and follow conspiracies than believe the truth.
http://www.love-classics.com/images/stop_posting_troll.jpg
This is an interesting subject, but it won't do anything to stop Obama from being president. I twill definitely affect future candidates, though. Absolute worse case scenario for Obama: The case goes to the Supreme court and they decide "natural-born citizen" means you were born in the USA or you inherited citizenship from one of your parents (remember, the meaning has never been decided before). I don't see them deciding the other way and causing a country shattering controversy.
qh4dotcom
03-04-2012, 07:53 PM
I have no response to this stuff anymore. I give up on this. I've been accused of being an Obama supporter, neg repped, insulted, etc. because I won't believe a conspiracy theory cooked up by a racist Sheriff who is in charge of the worst jail in the country. You guys don't believe that this makes us look bad? Is there anyone talking about this who is being taken seriously? Thought so. This man has nothing in common with us but there are people here trying to make him look good because he hates Obama just like we do but he hates him for all the wrong reasons. I'll never support someone who is as despicable as Joe Arpaio.
Come on...this issue started almost 4 years ago....long before Arpaio got involved.
If a cop pulled you over and asked for your driver license...would you show him an image of your driver's license or would you should him the real thing? If you showed him the image and the cop insisted on seeing the real thing, would you say he's a conspiracy theorist? Don't you think it's about time someone sees the real thing instead of all the images of his birth certificate that Obama has released?
Publicani
03-04-2012, 07:59 PM
I have no response to this stuff anymore. I give up on this. I've been accused of being an Obama supporter, neg repped, insulted, etc. because I won't believe a conspiracy theory cooked up by a racist Sheriff who is in charge of the worst jail in the country. You guys don't believe that this makes us look bad? Is there anyone talking about this who is being taken seriously? Thought so. This man has nothing in common with us but there are people here trying to make him look good because he hates Obama just like we do but he hates him for all the wrong reasons. I'll never support someone who is as despicable as Joe Arpaio.
A classical example of Ad Hominem argument.
thoughtomator
03-04-2012, 08:04 PM
I neg repped because you made shit up to support your prejudice, then repeatedly insisted on it, clearly and obviously not having done ANY research on the topic.
Within 24 hours of the time the BC was released, it was already proven to be a forged document by legions of techs who know Adobe products. And that has absolutely nothing to do with this hate of Arapio which has obviously consumed you to a point where everything, true or false, gets sucked into a vortex of irrationality.
It's your right to be irrational; it's your right to be wrong. It's my privilege to neg rep someone who argues dishonestly and emotionally and I will do it again and again and again until the people who do it learn not to do it anymore.
Dr.3D
03-04-2012, 08:09 PM
Dats what happens when da train is on da wrong track.
Dats what happens when da train is on da wrong track.
Now dat's funny.
Godmode7
03-04-2012, 09:12 PM
Come on...this issue started almost 4 years ago....long before Arpaio got involved.
If a cop pulled you over and asked for your driver license...would you show him an image of your driver's license or would you should him the real thing? If you showed him the image and the cop insisted on seeing the real thing, would you say he's a conspiracy theorist? Don't you think it's about time someone sees the real thing instead of all the images of his birth certificate that Obama has released?
Man I should try this. Pull out a laptop to show a pic of my license;). Tell the cop if Obama can do it why can't I? lol
TheAmazingJimmy
03-04-2012, 11:10 PM
Hey there folks, pro CG artist here. Obama's BC is a fake, in fact the the BC on whitehouse.gov is a fake of a fake, a really bad one too.
There have been TWO copies of this bad forgery passed out, one was given to the AP which was a photo of a fake, then the one on whitehouse.gov is a cut and paste fake of the photo of the fake that was passed around.
I challenge each and every one of you who believes that this thing is real, to download it from whitehouse.gov, take a real good look at it, then tell me that it's real. If you come back here and tell me that it's real, please kill yourself because you are so mentally deranged that you are a danger to society.
Is Obama from the U.S.? I have no clue, he has yet to prove he is, all he's done is have people in his administration commit fraud multiple times.
Of course I am leaving out the fact that he himself said that he wasn't eligible to run for the Presidency back in '04 when he was running for Senate.
That AP article has since been scrubbed off the interwebs.
qh4dotcom
03-04-2012, 11:14 PM
Man I should try this. Pull out a laptop to show a pic of my license;). Tell the cop if Obama can do it why can't I? lol
Ipads and cell phones can be used to show the cop you are licensed to drive...leave the real thing at home.
TheAmazingJimmy
03-04-2012, 11:41 PM
@qh4dotcom I don't see the need to message me your reply to what I wrote. Why not just say it out in public?
qh4dotcom
03-04-2012, 11:59 PM
@qh4dotcom I don't see the need to message me your reply to what I wrote. Why not just say it out in public?
I send the PM because there's no guarantee someone would come back to this thread, read my message and reply to me. At least with the PM I have a better chance of the message being read.
TheAmazingJimmy
03-04-2012, 11:59 PM
I send the PM because there's no guarantee someone would come back to this thread, read my message and reply to me. At least with the PM I have a better chance of the message being read.
No problem.
He was born in Hawaii which is a state and therefore he is an American citizen. Get over it.
This will never accomplish anything and anyone who thinks the country elected a Kenyan to be POTUS is not connected to reality. Sheriff Joe A. is a perfect example of this.
The ultimate question is not whether he is an American citizen, but whether he is a natural-born citizen as required by Art. 2 Sec. 1 of the US Constitution.
The ultimate question is not whether he is an American citizen, but whether he is a natural-born citizen as required by Art. 2 Sec. 1 of the US Constitution.
And it does seem that some are afraid to have that question answered.
This issue has been like a festering wound, and this administration has done much to keep it from healing.
Band-Aid anyone ?
thoughtomator
03-05-2012, 08:39 AM
The ultimate question is not whether he is an American citizen, but whether he is a natural-born citizen as required by Art. 2 Sec. 1 of the US Constitution.
That question is easily answered - his father is a British citizen, not a US citizen, therefore Obama cannot be a natural born citizen.
The whole point of the NBC clause was to eliminate the possibility of someone like Obama being loyal to his parents' nation and not our own. As he is the agent today of the Rothschild banking empire, his loyalty to the British Empire is well-established.
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