Ron Paul wins New York GOP Straw Poll!

[dustup]

Ron Paul wins New York GOP Straw Poll

Fresh off raising over $4 million online in one day this week, Texas Congressman Ron Paul defeated former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani on his home turf in the NY GOP straw poll.

Hat tip to The Caucus.

Ron Paul Wins! That’s the headline today after the first New York State Republican Straw Poll. Clearly, after raking in a record amount of money the other day, Mr. Paul is on a roll. He seems to have out-organized his fellow Republicans — on Rudolph W. Giuliani’s home turf.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/ron-paul-wins-straw-poll-in-new-york/

[werdd]

We win every straw poll, raise more than anyone else, yet we still lag in those official polls, probably because they are averaging them from when they didnt even list Ron Pauls name.

[robertwerden]

The polls mean nothing. The GOP is at 25% of what it was before Bush. The phone calls being made to the GOP base only reflects 25% of old base.

[BuddyRey]

Is that just NYC or the entire State of New York?

[ross11988]

Is that just NYC or the entire State of New York?

NYC

[dustup]

We win every straw poll, raise more than anyone else, yet we still lag in those official polls, probably because they are averaging them from when they didnt even list Ron Pauls name.

True.....True....True!

But if the GOP continues denying Ron Paul as be the people's choice it will be an obvious conspiracy to derail his campaign for President!

So lets talk it....up point it out and raise the roof for Ron Paul!

http://www.grannywarriors.com/newbanner.jpg
All in all this has been a terrific week end, we needed more people to work the ground but managed with the organizing skills of Scanner Scott from the Charlotte Meet up group to cover the parking lots handing out over 3000 slim jims. This is in one day folks..

Give these guys a big hand. ( The Slim Jim Patrol)

WE CAN DO IT!
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[dustup]

The polls mean nothing. The GOP is at 25% of what it was before Bush. The phone calls being made to the GOP base only reflects 25% of old base.


How do you figure the poll means NOTHING Robert? I received news coverage didn't it? Thousands of potential voters read it didn't they?

Tooting your own horn is fine...the fact you made a video supporting Ron Paul is Great! BUT.........Why the disparaging remark? :(

Any effort to promote Ron Paul is not wasted even if it only reaches "339" people
This thread alone already has more than "4" comments.......So don't cut any effort short! :)

And your video was a good one, but Paul would probably rather we teach our children about the founding fathers and the Constitution......
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=fairtaxPresident2008

Teach your Children, RON PAUL
From: fairtaxPresident2008
Views: 339
Comments: 4

[Baseline]

The problem is, Dr. Paul could win all the straw polls, raise 50 mil in a quarter, but every MSM mention on cnn/fox/msnbc will always start out his segment with "longshot Ron Paul" or something like that.

I still won't be surprised if Fox and Iowa GOP exclude Ron in their upcoming debate.

[robertwerden]

Im talking about the Telephone polls. The polls that show Ron Paul at 5% when he should be at 20-30%. Straw polls are real voters. You can not gauge the 2008 election by calling people from a dismantled GOP party who voted from 2000.


How do you figure the poll means NOTHING Robert? I received news coverage didn't it? Thousands of potential voters read it didn't they?

Tooting your own horn is fine...the fact you made a video supporting Ron Paul is Great! BUT.........Why the disparaging remark? :(

Any effort to promote Ron Paul is not wasted even if it only reaches "339" people
This thread alone already has more than "4" comments.......So don't cut any effort short! :)

And your video was a good one, but Paul would probably rather we teach our children about the founding fathers and the Constitution......
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=fairtaxPresident2008

Teach your Children, RON PAUL
From: fairtaxPresident2008
Views: 339
Comments: 4

[LibertyEagle]

Way to go, Dustup!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

[dustup]

Im talking about the Telephone polls. The polls that show Ron Paul at 5% when he should be at 20-30%. Straw polls are real voters. You can not gauge the 2008 election by calling people from a dismantled GOP party who voted from 2000.
No Prob......I will write it off as a misunderstanding.......BTW....The poll I posted wasn't a "CALL IN POLL" it was the
"New York GOP Straw Poll"

But even if it was a phone call vote we must not discourage posters or supporters of Ron Paul from joining and voicing their opinion....don't you agree Robert? :D

[robertwerden]

If you have done any research on pollsters you would know the way you ask the questions determines the winner.

Look at the latest Zogby poll incident. If you answer Ron Paul then the poll leads you down an unending path.

Frank Luntz is a prime example as well.

Phone Polls need to be replaced with straw polls as the best method of determining a candidate. Straw polls are exactly like real voting. People getting off the couch and going to vote.

Phone polls are so inaccurate it is astounding they have the balls to call it scientific.

[Avalon]

Robert, a lot fewer people attend these straw polls than attend the primary. You have to be very hardcore to even know about these straw polls, much less vote in them. We have more hardcore/passionate supporters than the other candidates but it hasn't translated into enough of a mainstream support yet. If the polling service uses past republican primary voters, that's a very good general indication of how things will turn out. Of course we will be underrepresented (due to a lot of factors), but if you went out and talked with regular primary voters you'd see right away he's nowhere near 20%.

In any case, until we hit double digits the vast majority of voters will not think Ron Paul has a chance and therefore will not bother looking him up, donating, or "wasting" their vote on him. Those polling numbers will become a self fulfilling prophecy. That's why we need to get outside and TALK TO PEOPLE.

[dustup]

If you have done any research on pollsters you would know the way you ask the questions determines the winner.

Look at the latest Zogby poll incident. If you answer Ron Paul then the poll leads you down an unending path.

Frank Luntz is a prime example as well.

Phone Polls need to be replaced with straw polls as the best method of determining a candidate. Straw polls are exactly like real voting. People getting off the couch and going to vote.

Phone polls are so inaccurate it is astounding they have the balls to call it scientific.

Just to clear this misunderstanding up.....I concur that phone polls are not accurate, but what I posted............ .........IT....WAS>>>>>NOT......a...Telephone.... vote
see article below from the coverage of The New York City Young Republicans

"New York Republicans Conduct Straw Poll
by Fred Mogul


NEW YORK, NY November 07, 2007 —The New York City Young Republicans came together last night to debate which presidential candidate deserves the GOP nomination. In a straw poll, former mayor Rudy Giuliani was not the winner. WNYC’s Fred Mogul has more.

REPORTER: Whoever gets the most supporters to a straw poll wins. And that’s what backers of Texan physician-turned-congressman Ron Paul did at the Metro Republican Club on the Upper East Side. Avery Knapp, a young medical resident, spoke on behalf of the Paul campaign, the only one in the GOP that opposes the war in Iraq.

KNAPP: He stands for a traditional republican foreign policy of no nation building and stop policing the world.

REPORTER: For 2 hours, Knapp and 4 other twentysomethings laid out the candidates’ positions on taxes, abortion, gay marriage and at the very end, national security and the war in Iraq. About 90 people showed up and 60 or so voted. 44% backed Paul, 36% Giuliani, and 10% Romney, with the rest divided their votes among 5 other GOP candidates. In Iowa, New Hampshire and nation-wide, polls show support for Paul in the low-to-mid single digits.

For WNYC, I’m Fred Mogul."

http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/88483

Now go ahead and post again to promote your video on Utube....I watched it it was a good video....nuf said?

[ButchHowdy]

Gotta love that comment:

"Is there really only 60 Republicans left in NY?!?"

[The Only Woj]

big deal. 26 votes.

we're going to need a lot more than that to win the primaries in each state. many many more.

[Flash]

We win every straw poll, raise more than anyone else, yet we still lag in those official polls, probably because they are averaging them from when they didnt even list Ron Pauls name.

I heard that a similiar thing happened to John Kerry in 04, and he ended up winning the democrat nomination.

[dustup]

big deal. 26 votes.

we're going to need a lot more than that to win the primaries in each state. many many more.


"Both major political parties in the United States select their presidential candidates through a process of primary elections. However, voters do not directly select presidential nominees in these primaries. Instead, they choose delegates from their respective states who will attend a national party convention to nominate a presidential candidate for their party."

http://www.thisnation.com/question/021.html

:rolleyes:

[Avalon]

I heard that a similiar thing happened to John Kerry in 04, and he ended up winning the democrat nomination.

John Kerry had powerful people and big money behind him and the democratic political machine was accepting of him. He also had considerably more name recognition than Ron Paul currently does.