Gingrich gives up on Afghanistan; sides with Ron Paul

[Agorism]

It took him 10 years, but now Gingrich says “We are not going to fix Afghanistan. It is not possible.”

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/002427105/3753723011_Gingrich_Pig1_xlarge.jpeg

http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/gingrich-sees-impossible-task-1364582.html

Turning to the escalating violence in Afghanistan, the former Georgia congressman said the United States is facing an impossible task there.

“We are not going to fix Afghanistan. It is not possible,” he told a large group of Republicans at an afternoon luncheon here. “These are people who have spent several thousand years hating foreigners. And what we have done by staying is become the new foreigners.

“This is a real problem. And there are some problems where you have to say, ‘You know, you are going to have to figure out how to live your own miserable life… because you clearly don’t want to learn from me how to be unmiserable. And that is what you are going to see happen.”


Basically he's trying to throw a Hail Marry since his campaign is on the ropes by "criticizing the troops."

[Tyler_Durden]

So nooowwww he's moving toward Ron Pauling (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?350505-quot-Ron-Pauling-quot-or-quot-Ron-Pauled-quot) the Foreign Policy.....

[VBRonPaulFan]

It took him 10 years, but now he says “We are not going to fix Afghanistan. It is not possible.”

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/002427105/3753723011_Gingrich_Pig1_xlarge.jpeg

http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/gingrich-sees-impossible-task-1364582.html



Basically he's trying to throw a Hail Marry since his campaign is on the ropes by "criticizing the troops."

oooooh, i get it. basically he's still a war mongering douche, but on Afghanistan.... he's decided to go all constitutional on his foreign policy. gingrich, cool story bro. don't believe you, but nice try.

[DerailingDaTrain]

Luckily he won't win over any voters from our side for this. Any Gingrich supporter I talked to said that they didn't like RP because of his foreign policy and for us Gingrich is a big government Republican so how does this help him?

[nasaal]

Luckily he won't win over any voters from our side for this. Any Gingrich supporter I talked to said that they didn't like RP because of his foreign policy and for us Gingrich is a big government Republican so how does this help him?
No but he will win people over who think Paul is dangerous but are comfy with the status quo.

[JK/SEA]

I'm confused now. Should i throw my support to grinch now, or stick with Ron Paul?

[hammy]

I'm confused now. Should i throw my support to grinch now, or stick with Ron Paul?

I'll make my decision when I see a 30 second ad about Newt Gingrich on TV.

Seriously, it still boggles my mind that TV ads actually work.

[Danan]

I'm confused now. Should i throw my support to grinch now, or stick with Ron Paul?

lol

[brendan.orourke]

They don't hate foreigners, they hate OCCUPIERS and FOREIGN MILITIAS.

[Bruno]

I'm confused now. Should i throw my support to grinch now, or stick with Ron Paul?

Newt is just positioning for a prime speaking slot or a VP offer from Ron Paul.

[Agorism]

Rasmussen: Romney and Paul leading Obama nationally. Santorum trails by 2; Gingrich trails by 10.

Paul-Romney-Santorum leading Obama in swing states. Newt losing big time.

Time to say Goodbye to this race Newt since your campaign is in the ditch.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsaTElBljOE

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2012/01/newt-gingrich-callista-wave-cropped-proto-custom_28.jpg

[kathy88]

Luckily he won't win over any voters from our side for this. Any Gingrich supporter I talked to said that they didn't like RP because of his foreign policy and for us Gingrich is a big government Republican so how does this help him?

Because if it comes from the Grinch the idiots will like it.

[Agorism]

People boo at Bush and then jeer "Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye" at Bush as he finally walks out of the office into his Chopper.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyjeqTxwMeM&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoQkv9HQUs8

Props to the throw two shoes at George Bush stand in the mall!

[AhuwaleKaNaneHuna]

Are we having a luau?

[NoOneButPaul]

He keeps trying to appeal to Ron Paul's people like he can recruit them over... I love it.

Is he really so delusional or just that desperate?

I consider this a huge accomplishment for Ron, he's gotten the GOP over on his side on so many things, the foreign policy is really a huge key to what's left. If he makes even the slightest progress there it will be nothing short of miraculous...

Still, i'd like to see this help Gingrich and force a brokered convention. I still believe a brokered convention is Paul's best shot at winning the nomination, i'd rather everyone stay in so Paul's delegates actually get a chance to crash the convention vote...

[69360]

Not much of a surprise. The whole field including Obama will probably take this position before November. Well maybe not Santorum.

[JK/SEA]

Are we having a luau?

just a practice session. any suggestions?

[Origanalist]

Everybody comes around to RP's way of thinking...............one way or another.

[jay_dub]

Pretty much all the candidates are coming over to Ron Paul's side to some degree, whether it's on the economy or foreign policy.

What is important is for the voters to know whose ideas these really are. We can't be co-opted out of this thing.

[JK/SEA]

Everybody comes around to RP's way of thinking...............one way or another.

you do realize he isn't really 'coming around' don't you...he's a fuckin lying opportunistic piece of shit.

Same with the rest of them...i give you the Tea Party as an example of recent events.

[AhuwaleKaNaneHuna]

just a practice session. any suggestions?

How do we serve up santorum next to the cooked pig newt? Maybe we can send little Ricky off to play with some fire sticks and hope he doesn't burn himself. lol Oh and, slap a fake spray tan on Mitt who can pose as a Hawaiian chief.

Mai Tais anyone?

[Shane Harris]

Not much of a surprise. The whole field including Obama will probably take this position before November. Well maybe not Santorum.

NO. SANTORUM NEVER GIVE UP! SANTORUM NEVER SURRENDER AND LET THE TERRORISTS WIN! WE MUST DEFEND OUR HONOR! SANTORUM IS COURAGE!!!!!!!!!!! MYAHHHHHH

[Danan]

NO. SANTORUM NEVER GIVE UP! SANTORUM NEVER SURRENDER AND LET THE TERRORISTS WIN! WE MUST DEFEND OUR HONOR! SANTORUM IS COURAGE!!!!!!!!!!! MYAHHHHHH

I have to laugh quite a lot today on these forums! Ain't there any work to do for you guys? ;P

[alucard13mmfmj]

Maybe... just maybe Newt is gonna endorse Ron.

[Endthefednow]

Maybe... just maybe Newt is gonna endorse Ron.

this

[alucard13mmfmj]

this

But I think Ron might have to give him like some kinda position.. I dont think Newt would just endorse Ron without getting something in return. Make him the head of the department of commerce =P.......................................

[Danan]

But I think Ron might have to give him like some kinda position.. I dont think Newt would just endorse Ron without getting something in return. Make him the head of the department of commerce =P.......................................

Ambassador to the Moon.

[Shane Harris]

Maybe... just maybe Newt is gonna endorse Ron.

I'll bet an obscene amount of money that I don't have that he will not. Remember this is the man who said it would be tough to choose between Ron Paul and Obama and that any decent American would not vote for Ron Paul.

[AhuwaleKaNaneHuna]

Ambassador to the Moon.

roflmao

peeeeeerfect!

[Shane Harris]

Ambassador to the Moon.
http://www.rushimg.com/cimages//media/newtgingrich/newtmoon/924307-1-eng-GB/NewtMoon.jpg
http://www.rushour.com/images/12%2002%202012%20NewtsMoonColony.jpg
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTcckJQ-ytPrXNhOm-9sCuCZn4OU8RoZu017ACuRae-Xa0VvwSSyimqhTMzgwhttp://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/c/P/4/Newt-Moon-Base.jpg

[Barrex]

Maybe... just maybe Newt is gonna endorse Ron.

Not after he reads this thread and answers to your maybe....

[Massachusetts]

I've seen Newt endorse many of Dr. Paul's ideas for a while now. I don't think this a new thing. They have some views that are similar. The big difference is that Newt wants to spend, spend, spend because he has all of these ideas that require spending and printing money to exist. That's his problem. I've heard Newt for a while talking about auditing the federal reserve, not necessarily ending it but auditing it.

Either way, Newt has become a punchline and his campaign is a complete joke. Their strategy has been..pretty terrible. I imagine he'll be in fourth place by the time this thing is all said and done all across the board.

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

What is important is for the voters to know whose ideas these really are. We can't be co-opted out of this thing.Exactly. Ron Paul and his press people should be making hay with this. Let everyone know Newt basically admitted Dr. Paul is right.

[AhuwaleKaNaneHuna]

Exactly. Ron Paul and his press people should be making hay with this. Let everyone know Newt basically admitted Dr. Paul is right.

What makes this even more of a joke is that Newt basically won SC by saying, " Kill Them!" And now , weeks later, he is like " Nevermind" :confused: He really is a flakey guy.

[Tyler_Durden]

What makes this even more of a joke is that Newt basically won SC by saying, " Kill Them!" And now , weeks later, he is like " Nevermind" :confused: He really is a flakey guy.

We need videos of his chicken hawk warmongering specifically against Afghanistan compared with his position now...

[Emperius]

Can't help but notice that what he said is pretty anti-arab, or at least is pretty hate-filled.

And he expects to win us over? lolololol

[splanky]

I've seen Newt endorse many of Dr. Paul's ideas for a while now. I don't think this a new thing. They have some views that are similar. The big difference is that Newt wants to spend, spend, spend because he has all of these ideas that require spending and printing money to exist. That's his problem. I've heard Newt for a while talking about auditing the federal reserve, not necessarily ending it but auditing it.

Either way, Newt has become a punchline and his campaign is a complete joke. Their strategy has been..pretty terrible. I imagine he'll be in fourth place by the time this thing is all said and done all across the board.

Nobody ever accused Newt of consistency but unlike Mr. Plastic and Mr. Frothy he's smart enough to pick up on the anti-war sentiment that's exploding, whether it's covered by the msm or not. Finger in the wind stuff.

[AhuwaleKaNaneHuna]

Can't help but notice that what he said is pretty anti-arab, or at least is pretty hate-filled.


Newt hateful?? At the last debate, he was under the impression he is "cheerful." lol

I'm beggining to think he is BIPOLAR.


Tyler-Durden said, We need videos of his chicken hawk warmongering specifically against Afghanistan compared with his position now

If I knew how to make videos I would make one of that. I don't know how he gets away with this sort of double talk so often. The media never calls him on it and his supporters seem clueless about how flippant he is over VERY SERIOUS issues.

[Luciconsort]

They don't hate foreigners, they hate OCCUPIERS and FOREIGN MILITIAS.

man's got a point

[awake]

I guess this is the new way to discredit Ron Paul: get the biggest D.C. establishment blowhard chicken hawk to agree with all of Ron Paul's ideas.

[J_White]

oh, maybe a part of his oversized head is coming out of his more than oversized behind !!

[ZanZibar]

It took him 16 days to flip-flop on Libya:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?284610-It-takes-Gingrich-16-days-to-flip-flop-on-Libya&highlight=gingrich+libya

[phill4paul]

I looked for a 'Ron Pauling' definition page on google. There wasn't one. Maybe the interwebz savvy amongst us could put a link at the top of google?

[The Mad Arab]

Santorum is the only one who hasn't given Paul credit for anything.

[slamhead]

I wish he had said this before the final debate. It would be great fodder for Paul. Newt "Ok Ron you were correct 10 years ago and 4 trillion dollars later. Will you please be our president".

[The_Ruffneck]

Now just get him to take Cheneys 1994 position on Iraq and we are set.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY

[american.swan]

Newt is just positioning for a prime speaking slot or a VP offer from Ron Paul.

LOL I'm laughing so hard. Tears. LOL

[JohnM]

Interesting. What is particularly interesting is to listen to Gingrich (and Cheney) talking sense. And of course George W Bush in 2000 was in favour of a humble foreign policy. These guys are all, at heart, sons of Robert Taft. (Well, perhaps not Gingrich. He talks too much about 'civilisation'.) But the point is that nation-building is not a Republican thing. It's a Democrat thing, and I suspect that the reason that Bush went in for nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan was to get some Democrat support for the US military action in those countries.

So why did all these guys who are against nation building support war?

Two reasons. One was economic interest. But the the big thing was FEAR.

"The Afghans are supporting the terrorists who are planning another attack on us! We've got to take out the Afghans!"

"Iraq has weapons of mass destruction and they might launch an attack somewhere! We've got to take out Saddam Hussein!"

"Iran might be planning to launch a nuclear attack! We've got to take out Iran!"

That is the mindset that we are up against.

Other than pointing out that no-one ever launched an attack on Canada* or Switzerland, I don't know how you get through to these guys.


*OK, not for a couple of hundred years. LOL!

[speciallyblend]

keep tossing ron paul's salad newt. You might get an appointment brown nosing Ron Paul!


What is tossing the salad?? You might ask?? well newt is a professional but this guy explains it pretty good! explicit language warning!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=077UtUWGQOA<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=077UtUWGQOA">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=077UtUWGQOA


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_qbFVwDwjQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_qbFVwDwjQ)

[kathy88]

Pretty much all the candidates are coming over to Ron Paul's side to some degree, whether it's on the economy or foreign policy.

What is important is for the voters to know whose ideas these really are. We can't be co-opted out of this thing.

We can and have been. TEA PARTY anyone?

[mport1]

No way he actually believes we should get out of Iraq. This must be some type of political ploy he is trying to pull like usual. Newt loves the idea of murdering Muslims in as many countries as possible.

[speciallyblend]

We can and have been. TEA PARTY anyone?

tea party has no delegates so tea party doesn't matter! This is a different game!

[Student Of Paulism]

Someone said Gingrich won't win another state, well, um, he is leading in his homestate of GA and in good position to win there. Luckily its on ST though, so it won't make many headlines if its the only state he wins...which unfortunately goes for us too if we happen to win one state. The coverage just isnt the same like it is on a day of one-state-voting. Ron would need to win like a good 1/4 of the states on ST to get any decent mentions, and that doesn't seem likely at all the way things have been going. There is simply no denying he has hit a ceiling with this endless 12-15% crap in every damn poll out there. Really disappointing it is.

[randomname]

I wonder if he's channeling his foreign policy advisors (Woolsey & co) or whether he's just pandering for the libertarian vote

[xFiFtyOnE]

Emperor Gingrich knows that saving money on Afghanistan = more money for moon base.

http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/4ee7e06469bedd2612000025-400-300/the-lunar-interlude.jpg&sa=X&ei=-d5MT9fgFKGe0QXZ3tyeBQ&ved=0CAwQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNFlfWqrcVcntCRPU5Z5AYfBbUdPdw

[Brett85]

Gingrich has always called himself a "cheap hawk," so I guess this is just his way of showing that he's against "expensive wars."

[KingNothing]

This is unquestionably a good thing. With Limbaugh and Gingrich now advocating a pull-out of Afghanistan, it might mean that death, destruction and a waste of our resources might be put on hold, however temporarily, in the near future.

Obama will not allow the Republican to out-do him with respect to "peace" -- he'll see their bet, and, hopefully, raise them a pull-out of Afghanistan. Let us be so lucky.


Would this be happening were Ron Paul not in the race? I'm not sure.

[KingNothing]

I wonder if he's channeling his foreign policy advisors (Woolsey & co) or whether he's just pandering for the libertarian vote

I think it has everything to do with the growing public dissatisfaction with the war. The media is painting the recent attacks on our bases and soldiers as having been spurred by the burning of a holy book. That's only half-true. Every comment I've read from those in Afghanistan protesting has said as much -- they're angry with our presence in their country, and our bombs that slaughter their children. Secondary to that is the burning of their holy books.

But I don't care. Media manipulation of the populace to paint those people as uncivilized barbarians driven to rage over burnt paper is fine by me if it means we end the abhorrent, tragic, and wasteful war.

So, I'm almost positive that Newt is just making a political move. If it were politically expedient to advocate more war, I'm sure he would. But it isn't. The voters want it all to end. Thank god for that.

[Oddone]

This is unquestionably a good thing. With Limbaugh and Gingrich now advocating a pull-out of Afghanistan, it might mean that death, destruction and a waste of our resources might be put on hold, however temporarily, in the near future.

Rusty Humphry is on a get out of Afghanistan tirade also. "He went off about these Evil Muslims killing Americans, fuck'em lets leave blah blah, Quran, blah blah ungrateful, blah blah, they don't really care about it blah blah." Sounded a lot like Limbaugh, yelling and screaming lol...

[speciallyblend]

Someone said Gingrich won't win another state, well, um, he is leading in his homestate of GA and in good position to win there. Luckily its on ST though, so it won't make many headlines if its the only state he wins...which unfortunately goes for us too if we happen to win one state. The coverage just isnt the same like it is on a day of one-state-voting. Ron would need to win like a good 1/4 of the states on ST to get any decent mentions, and that doesn't seem likely at all the way things have been going. There is simply no denying he has hit a ceiling with this endless 12-15% crap in every damn poll out there. Really disappointing it is.

nonsense, colorado will not choose its delegates for a few months. We can win colorado. We Can win the tampa convention being top 2 in delegates, three of a kind leaves only one Ron Paul, delegates convention that is the key. I can deny your ceiling. We are going to surprise the world in iowa,colorado,nevada ,mark my words! remember no matter what the media says. In Tampa's convention .There are only 2 options Ron Paul or Obama!

[hunter100]

This is a ploy by Gingrich. Next, he is going to blame the failure of Afghanistan on President Obama's policy and also to meddling from Iran. Make no mistake about it, this is just a ruise to get the vote for an Iran invasion. The US will not tolerate fighting in both countries, and all the repbulicans know this. Therefore, they need an exit strategy from Afghanistan to push for an Iran invasion.

[speciallyblend]

This is a ploy by Gingrich. Next, he is going to blame the failure of Afghanistan on President Obama's policy and also to meddling from Iran. Make no mistake about it, this is just a ruise to get the vote for an Iran invasion. The US will not tolerate fighting in both countries, and all the repbulicans know this. Therefore, they need an exit strategy from Afghanistan to push for an Iran invasion.

i totally aree with this^^^^^^^^^^^ newt(status quo) is the slime of the slime. They are just redirecting to new illegal wars.

[Athan]

Lol! I was FOR Ron Paul, before I was against Ron Paul!

[Agorism]

bump

[alucard13mmfmj]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF3K2JvFcJA&feature=g-all-bul&context=G24d8154FAAAAAAAAAAA
Endorse Liberty

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

On The Five today, they were discussing "major conservatives" questioning staying in Afghanistan, and played clips by Limbaugh and one other guy. During the discussion, Gutfeld actually said paying for Afghanistan was a nanny state policy on an international scale. :eek: My head about exploded. Is he reading this forum and stealing our lines? :p

[georgiaboy]

I heard Gingrich 'Ron Pauling' this issue yesterday on the radio. I just about drove off into a ditch I was so stunned.

I hope all the folks in my state who voted for him heard it and choked on their own big gov't imperialist bile.

[Tiso0770]

Not to get off the Newt subject but Romney actually came out and said the "C" word(Constitution) and how he supported it.:eek:.

Something is going on and i'm beginning to think the MSM and the GOP is trying to steal Ron Paul's thunder and bylines just to get the votes...you guys seen the rallies of Ron Paul and how many showed up. If Romney or Santorum or Newt uses Paul's lines and with the Media blackout on Paul, they will get people to come too their Rallies which looks good on MSM.

[Paul Or Nothing II]

Exactly. Ron Paul and his press people should be making hay with this. Let everyone know Newt basically admitted Dr. Paul is right.

This ^^^