RFK's Son Arrested For Trying To Take His Own Baby Out Of Hospital

[angelatc]

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/02/surveillence-video-shows-robert-f-kennedys-son-in-scuffle-with-nurses/

(http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/02/surveillence-video-shows-robert-f-kennedys-son-in-scuffle-with-nurses/)

Video at the link. Story in a nutshell - young father decides to take newborn out for some fresh air, ends up physically scuffling with nurses.

Note that there was never any doubt that he was the father, so the "trying to stop a kidnapping" position does not have a bearing here.

Prediction: He'll settle and apologize. Pussy.

[bolil]

How could "no doubt" as to his being the father be proved? We aughta give nurses tazers so that this type of thing can be properly handled. You know, like the cops do.

[Danke]

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/02/surveillence-video-shows-robert-f-kennedys-son-in-scuffle-with-nurses/

(http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/02/surveillence-video-shows-robert-f-kennedys-son-in-scuffle-with-nurses/)

Video at the link. Story in a nutshell - young father decides to take newborn out for some fresh air, ends up physically scuffling with nurses.

Note that there was never any doubt that he was the father, so the "trying to stop a kidnapping" position does not have a bearing here.

Prediction: He'll settle and apologize. Pussy.

You really have a low tolerance toward pussies, especially if they are men. Reported.

[PatriotOne]

OMG. The comments are frightening. I thought this one was satire at first but horrifyingly it was not:

Who is this genius Douglas Kennedy to decide that his 3 day old baby needs fresh air? And who does he think he is that he can just walk off the floor with the baby? Of course with his medical education, NOT, he knows what’s best for the baby. And who’s to say that he and his wife weren’t having marital problems and he was trying to take the baby away? Hospital safety rules were meant for everyone. Period. I hope the hospital slaps him hard!

[PaulConventionWV]

How could "no doubt" as to his being the father be proved? We aughta give nurses tazers so that this type of thing can be properly handled. You know, like the cops do.

lol?

[PaulConventionWV]

OMG. The comments are frightening. I thought this one was satire at first but horrifyingly it was not:

Who is this genius Douglas Kennedy to decide that his 3 day old baby needs fresh air? And who does he think he is that he can just walk off the floor with the baby? Of course with his medical education, NOT, he knows what’s best for the baby. And who’s to say that he and his wife weren’t having marital problems and he was trying to take the baby away? Hospital safety rules were meant for everyone. Period. I hope the hospital slaps him hard!

Apparently, being the baby's father isn't a good enough excuse for having the freedom to walk around with the baby. It amazes me how someone can ask "Who is this guy to....?" and NOT think, "Oh, wait, it's the baby's father. Yeah, that makes sense." Just downright absurd.

[Lishy]

Wait, so the dude related to JFK isn't allowed to take his own babyout of the hospital?

That's actually... Kinda frightening!

Excuse for the conspiracy theories, but who knows what they're doing in secret without the parent's supervision or consent? I don't ike how that sounds one bit.

[PatriotOne]

So many orwellian comments to choose from but here's another gem:

If for any reason the Kennedy baby should not have been taken outside, it would be that the other babies in the nursery would/could be subjected to germs/bacteria brought back in from his excursion outside (yeah because all the germs and diseased people are OUTSIDE of the hospital...not in the hospital :rolleyes:). It’s not really fair for the other babies to potentially subject them to the same. Apparently this person thinks Kennedy's goal was to go rub the baby all over a leper outside.

[pcosmar]

So many orwellian comments to choose from but here's another gem:


I might almost suggest filling the comments with the most absurd things imaginable..

but it seems people are doing that already.

[PatriotOne]

I might almost suggest filling the comments with the most absurd things imaginable..

but it seems people are doing that already.

n/k

[Anti Federalist]

Four words:


Mid Wife.

Home Birth.


Opt out of the system.

The schools, the hospitals, the prisons, it's all the same.

[mosquitobite]

Anyone want to question whether if the mother had done the same thing she would have been handled as such?

SMH

[noneedtoaggress]

God, public school really screws up people's heads.

HE CAN'T TAKE HIS OWN CHILD!!! HE DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY!!!

[angelatc]

How could "no doubt" as to his being the father be proved? We aughta give nurses tazers so that this type of thing can be properly handled. You know, like the cops do.

The nurses said they knew who he was. That's not being disputed.

[angelatc]

Four words:


Mid Wife.

Home Birth..

Two more words: Cesarean Section.

[angelatc]

OMG. The comments are frightening. I thought this one was satire at first but horrifyingly it was not:

Who is this genius Douglas Kennedy to decide that his 3 day old baby needs fresh air? And who does he think he is that he can just walk off the floor with the baby? Of course with his medical education, NOT, he knows what’s best for the baby. And who’s to say that he and his wife weren’t having marital problems and he was trying to take the baby away? Hospital safety rules were meant for everyone. Period. I hope the hospital slaps him hard!

Yeah, it's really, really sad - but even in Libertarian circles my "children don't belong to the state" position gets a lot of resistance.

Note that the hospital isn't suing him. The nurses, however, have obtained private counsel.

[awake]

Medical custody.

[Kluge]

The hospital we went to was practically brand new, and I shit you not, they put a security tag on the baby that would set off an alarm if the baby got too close to an exit.

[eduardo89]

Two more words: Cesarean Section.

Three words: Swiss army knife.

[eduardo89]

The hospital we went to was practically brand new, and I shit you not, they put a security tag on the baby that would set off an alarm if the baby got too close to an exit.

I wouldn't trust Kludge with a baby either.

[eduardo89]

You really have a low tolerance toward pussies, especially if they are men. Reported.

That must be why she always snaps at you :p

[Kluge]

Two more words: Cesarean Section.

Pfft. There's a Mexican woman who actually survived giving herself a c-section at home.

Now that's a bad-ass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In%C3%A9s_Ram%C3%ADrez

[eduardo89]

Pfft. There's a Mexican woman who actually survived giving herself a c-section at home.

Now that's a bad-ass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In%C3%A9s_Ram%C3%ADrez

We Mexicans are badass. I once got a papercut and didn't pass out.

[Kluge]

We Mexicans are badass. I once got a papercut and didn't pass out.

I'm gonna need some proof on that claim.....

[eduardo89]

I'm gonna need some proof on that claim.....

I can email you a transcript and recording of the 911 call. I was conscious the whole time until the ambulance arrived.

[Kluge]

I can email you a transcript and recording of the 911 call. I was conscious the whole time until the ambulance arrived.

Your story is believable, except for the fact that they don't have 911 in Europe.

HA!

[eduardo89]

Your story is believable, except for the fact that they don't have 911 in Europe.

HA!

Who said it happened in Europe. They have 911 in Canada. ;)

I don't actually know the emergency number in Spain...in England it's 999, but I know it's not that here...whatever, I live across the street from a police station, they can taze/shoot me from there.

[angelatc]

Three words: Swiss army knife.

Yeah, he's a Kennedy - he can afford his own damned OR.

[Kluge]

Who said it happened in Europe. They have 911 in Canada. ;)

I don't actually know the emergency number in Spain...in England it's 999, but I know it's not that here...whatever, I live across the street from a police station, they can taze/shoot me from there.

Don't spoil my fun.

[Danke]

I wouldn't trust Kludge with a baby either.

He is entrusted with our future leader.

[eduardo89]

He is entrusted with our future leader.

I thought he has a daughter?

[Danke]

I thought he has a daughter?

This ain't Spain.

[specsaregood]

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[Brian4Liberty]

At risk of repeating myself, going into the Hospital is about the same as going into jail. And never underestimate the power trips that occur at the lower levels, in this instance, nurses and security guards.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIVHNylH1Mk

[angelatc]

Around here, as soon as the baby is born they put in a lojack ankle bracelet. If you attempt to take the baby out of the hospital the whole building locks down. The only way to disarm it is to remove the device, which is done only after you checkout and are leaving the hospital. Its there because there are plenty of psychos that try to steal babies. Just a few months ago there was a lady dressed like a doctor with stolen credentials that tried to kidnap a kid in a hospital my wife was working at.

If he didn't like the agree upon rules he didn't have to have the baby in their hospital.

Rules aren't laws. Keeping people against their will is considered kidnapping, even if they entered of their own free will.

And because she had a c-section, one could even make the case they they were there under duress.

There actually aren't "plenty of people" who steal babies, btw. The fact that you believe that there are only means the media has successfully brainwashed you to instinctively distrust your fellow humans, and instead look towards "authority" to keep you safe. Corporate America - protecting the children!

Not to say that it doesn't ever happen, only that it's actually very rare compared to every other evil the world has to offer a baby.

[Brian4Liberty]

If he didn't like the agree upon rules he didn't have to have the baby in their hospital.

Agreed upon "rules"? Agreed upon by whom? "Abandon all rights all ye who enter here." Is that written somewhere?

To continue with the Southpark references, if you fail to read the iTunes and Hospital 90 page policies, they may sew your mouth to someone's ass.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYHijgtFnkI

[Danke]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYHijgtFnkI

Brain was a good guy, but..


BAN!

[Brian4Liberty]

Brain was a good guy, but..

BAN!

Brain is tired. Neurons must need a rest. :toady:

[Danke]

Brain is tired. Neurons must need a rest. :toady:

Well, it could be forgiven. But i always enjoyed a good banning.

So


http://researchaccess.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/ThumbsDown.jpg

[AFPVet]

I don't think he did anything wrong. He was taking his newborn out for some fresh air and the medical staff were attempting to detain him and take his baby. They should have known that he was the father....

[freeforall]

Four words:


Mid Wife.

Home Birth.


Opt out of the system.

The schools, the hospitals, the prisons, it's all the same.

+rep! I just had my 2nd birth at home 6 weeks ago. Best decisions I ever made even though it hurt like hell.

[freeforall]

Pfft. There's a Mexican woman who actually survived giving herself a c-section at home.

Now that's a bad-ass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In%C3%A9s_Ram%C3%ADrez

Holy wowza!!!

[specsaregood]

There actually aren't "plenty of people" who steal babies, btw. The fact that you believe that there are only means the media has successfully brainwashed you to instinctively distrust your fellow humans, and instead look towards "authority" to keep you safe. Corporate America - protecting the children!

Not to say that it doesn't ever happen, only that it's actually very rare compared to every other evil the world has to offer a baby.

"plenty" and "rare" depend on your point of view I suppose. From people I know that work in those fields they claim it isn't all that rare to find strangers prowling such areas and they didn't institute these lock-down policies because they don't happen. You want to twist it into looking for authority or "Corporate America - protecting the children", pfft. It is more like them covering their own asses and with good reason. If I had my kid in a hospital and somebody kidnapped it, it would not be pretty and it would probably end up costly.

[donnay]

Two more words: Cesarean Section.

Most C-sections are planned. Most doctors do them because they fear lawsuits, there's more money to be made doing C-sections, and the patients are in and out, which free up more deliveries for the doctor.

"Today, nearly one-third of all babies born in the United States are delivered surgically via Cesarean section—a considerable increase over C-section rates in past years. In 1970, C-sections were performed in only one of 20 births."

http://www.babyzone.com/pregnancy/labor_birth/csection/article/elective-cesarean-sections-rise

"Doctors say mothers are demanding more frequently to have labor induced, which makes them twice as likely to have a C-section. Doctors who fear malpractice lawsuits also may turn to cesareans more."

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-05-08/health/bs-hs-c-sections-20110508_1_c-sections-vaginal-births-cesareans


"Reports and research studies have noted a steady climb in C-section rates in the last decade. Some reports claim doctors are at fault because they are more willing to perform C-sections despite the huge risks associated with major surgery during pregnancy. Other studies claims women are moving toward a comfortable, planned pregnancy that they can control. It seems the latter of the two just received a bit more support. A new study found women are more likely to have a C-section because they are scared of childbirth."

http://www.babymed.com/cesarean-section/women-afraid-childbirth-have-more-c-sections

I started to see this trend back in the 1980's when I had my first child. We took Lamaze classes and there were 16 couples, and only two of us has vaginal births.

[specsaregood]

Most C-sections are planned. Most doctors do them because they fear lawsuits, there's more money to be made doing C-sections, and the patients are in and out, which free up more deliveries for the doctor.


It helps in making your tee time ontime as well.

[Pericles]

+rep! I just had my 2nd birth at home 6 weeks ago. Best decisions I ever made even though it hurt like hell.

I don't suppose that a +rep will make up for that ...

Two thoughts

(1) The obvious of parents not having control over their own children at the behest of their "betters".

(2) The LOL at one of the Mandarin class being snagged in the rules the mundanes must obey.

[Schifference]

I think that the hospital was given the task of providing care for the child and mother. If the father wanted to take the child outside for air it seems that it would have been prudent to inform the staff responsible for the infants care of his desire to bring the child outside before just leaving with the infant.

[angelatc]

Most C-sections are planned. Most doctors do them because they fear lawsuits, there's more money to be made doing C-sections, and the patients are in and out, which free up more deliveries for the doctor.

Doesn't matter. Either you believe the doctor and the mother knew what's best for them and their individual situation and it's really none of your business, or your a condescending jerk who belittles and demonizes people who make different decisions than you did.

And for the record, I had one of each, and would happily tell you what you can do with your judgement calls on people you know nothing about, but I don't want to get banned.

[angelatc]

I think that the hospital was given the task of providing care for the child and mother. If the father wanted to take the child outside for air it seems that it would have been prudent to inform the staff responsible for the infants care of his desire to bring the child outside before just leaving with the infant.

No, they're pretty much tasked with caring for the mother. The baby is in the hospital as a patient only as a courtesy, because the mother is recovering from surgery. If she had a vaginal birth, they would have already been home.

[angelatc]

"plenty" and "rare" depend on your point of view I suppose. From people I know that work in those fields they claim it isn't all that rare to find strangers prowling such areas and they didn't institute these lock-down policies because they don't happen. You want to twist it into looking for authority or "Corporate America - protecting the children", pfft. It is more like them covering their own asses and with good reason. If I had my kid in a hospital and somebody kidnapped it, it would not be pretty and it would probably end up costly.

But there's the brainwashing. Maybe I'm just older than you, but when I was young, the maternity ward wasn't locked down, and babies just didn't disappear with great frequency. Now, people actually believe there are strangers lurking on every corner waiting to snatch babies and children because the media tells them it happens all the time. Call it the Nancy Grace effect.

And your reaction - blaming the hospital for allowing it to happen, instead of blaming the criminal who actually took the baby is just another indicator that the American thought process is damaged beyond repair.

I believe the lock-down policies were instituted, largely in response to parental demand, as part of the mass hysteria the media creates at the behest of corporate America, happily scaring clients into buying their shiny new security systems. We're not safe anywhere, you know.

[donnay]

Doesn't matter. Either you believe the doctor and the mother knew what's best for them and their individual situation and it's really none of your business, or your a condescending jerk who belittles and demonizes people who make different decisions than you did.

And for the record, I had one of each, and would happily tell you what you can do with your judgement calls on people you know nothing about, but I don't want to get banned.

Excuse me? I wasn't making a judgment on your personal choices--a little defensive eh? Nevertheless, It most certainly matters the amount of c-sections that are being preformed! You can look up the statistics yourself and see the trend, in the last few decades how many c-sections have been made and not because of emergencies. So you can take you little attitude and stuff it where the sun doesn't shine--Have a nice day! :)

[Domalais]

I believe the lock-down policies were instituted, largely in response to parental demand, as part of the mass hysteria the media creates at the behest of corporate America, happily scaring clients into buying their shiny new security systems. We're not safe anywhere, you know.


It's far simpler than that. The price of a lawsuit over a stolen baby is greater than the price of a security system. Simple corporate math.

[Schifference]

No, they're pretty much tasked with caring for the mother. The baby is in the hospital as a patient only as a courtesy, because the mother is recovering from surgery. If she had a vaginal birth, they would have already been home.

If the baby has not yet been discharged then the hospital would still have liability and responsibility. Hospitals, doctors, and nurses are big targets for lawsuits. I think that until the child is officially discharged or an official Leave of absence is completed the hospital is responsible for the child. There are many rules/regulations regarding the discharge of infants from hospitals. Healthcare providers that do not follow established rules are subject to lawsuits and could lose their license. The father should have expressed his desire to bring the child outside. If the facility disagreed, the family, father/mother could have had the child discharged into the fathers care.

[donnay]

It's all about control. It's not just a badge and a gun anymore. The government databanks tie into the medical community too. Wake up folks!!

Do you know after your baby is born in the hospital they tell you before you leave, your baby has to take a phenylketonuria (PKU) Test. Did you know they take that blood and put into a state (State laws vary) DNA database without my consent or knowledge?

http://www.cchfreedom.org/pr/NBS&Parents_Brief2.pdf
http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=3881
http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/16/creepy-government-database-watch/
http://www.themayborn.com/TexasDNAShowdown.html
http://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech-technology-and-liberty/your-babys-dna-and-informed-consent

[Southerner]

Its HER body, Its HER choice, its HER kid. CLEARLY any MAN trying to leave the hospital with a fetus or baby, is UP TO NO GOOD!

[flightlesskiwi]

Most C-sections are planned. Most doctors do them because they fear lawsuits, there's more money to be made doing C-sections, and the patients are in and out, which free up more deliveries for the doctor.

"Today, nearly one-third of all babies born in the United States are delivered surgically via Cesarean section—a considerable increase over C-section rates in past years. In 1970, C-sections were performed in only one of 20 births."

http://www.babyzone.com/pregnancy/labor_birth/csection/article/elective-cesarean-sections-rise

"Doctors say mothers are demanding more frequently to have labor induced, which makes them twice as likely to have a C-section. Doctors who fear malpractice lawsuits also may turn to cesareans more."

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-05-08/health/bs-hs-c-sections-20110508_1_c-sections-vaginal-births-cesareans


"Reports and research studies have noted a steady climb in C-section rates in the last decade. Some reports claim doctors are at fault because they are more willing to perform C-sections despite the huge risks associated with major surgery during pregnancy. Other studies claims women are moving toward a comfortable, planned pregnancy that they can control. It seems the latter of the two just received a bit more support. A new study found women are more likely to have a C-section because they are scared of childbirth."

http://www.babymed.com/cesarean-section/women-afraid-childbirth-have-more-c-sections

I started to see this trend back in the 1980's when I had my first child. We took Lamaze classes and there were 16 couples, and only two of us has vaginal births.


It helps in making your tee time ontime as well.

there is truth in all those points.

especially in the .mil communities. tricare pays less than medicaid for OB care/labor & delivery and doctors, understandably have a business to run.

my son was a week "late"-- he was birthed at home. and i'll tell you what, my midwife made hour long appointments and i was there with her the whole hour (and her previous appointments were always leaving when i was getting there-- likewise with me leaving) talking and getting to know each other.

now, i fully understand that not all women can have vaginal births, but i'd reckon a thought that some of the inductions and c-sections going on are due to scheduling reasons, not medical reasons. in fact, i can vouch for that. my best friend just had her third child-- she was scheduled to go in to be induced before the baby's due date and not for medical reason, but naturally went into labor 3 days before her scheduled induction.

personally, i avoid hospitals because i do not like them, so having a baby "au naturale" in a hospital wasn't even on my radar screen.

but to each her own.

the control factors work all over the place. hospital, doctor, patient, state. i chose what i felt gave me the most control and it was the right choice for me.

this is a really unnerving story, however. free standing birth centers (i had my daughter in one) are fabulous.

[donnay]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to flightlesskiwi again."

Thanks for backing my point--some people need to refresh their reading skills before making baseless attack posts to forum members. :rolleyes: