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HOLLYWOOD
02-21-2012, 02:10 PM
This is getting down right evil by these Old Imperial Empire Aristocrats... It's using government employees as an excuse, but we all know who this is really targeting, the civilian population. Imagine if you are in Alaska, or Hawaii, or Peurto Rico, Virgin Islands, Guam etc...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2012/02/18/owe-irs-taxes-lose-your-passport/

Owe IRS Taxes, Lose Your Passport



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This is only a proposed law and only for those owing more than $50,000 to the IRS. Another proposal is to make the Thrift Savings Fund accounts federal employees have–currently exempt from IRS levies–fair game. Both proposals are from Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah). See Hatch’s Memo to Reporters & Editors (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=hatch%20proposes%20levying%20federal%20workers%2 0thrift%20accounts&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffinance.senate.gov%2Fnewsroom%2Fr anking%2Frelease%2F%3Fid%3Dd714f27c-9953-46dc-93e2-36377c27e0af&ei=Kt4-T_6-JobXtgfjnPnjBQ&usg=AFQjCNGsq9R5kXZt_zYFilJRvPPAaNPnFg).
The latter suggests people find it especially galling when federal employees owe back taxes. More than 279,000 federal workers and retirees (http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/amid-calls-for-tax-fairness-government-report-shows-federal-workers-owe-34b-in-back-taxes/2012/01/26/gIQA5a5sTQ_story.html?tid=pm_business_pop) owe more than $3.4 billion in back income taxes. Senator Hatch is not the only one upset because tax delinquents are being paid with federal tax dollars. And the size of the problem seems to be growing.
The 279,000 and $3.4 billion figures are from 2010. They are up from $3.3 billion in 2009, $3 billion in 2008, and $2.7 billion in 2007. Some of the demographics are interesting. The departments and agencies with the largest percentages of employee/retiree tax problems are:


U.S. Office of Government Ethics: 6.49%
Federal Reserve Board: 4.86%
U.S. House of Representatives: 4.24%
Housing & Urban Development: 3.89%
Education: 3.88%
Army: 3.83%
Veterans Affairs: 3.78%
Commerce: 3.54%
Health & Human Services: 3.51%
Defense: 3.19%
Air Force: 3.11%
U.S. Senate: 3.08%
Navy: 3.05%
State: 2.94%
SEC: 2.50%
U.S. Tax Court: 2.25%

For a complete list, see Time To Pay Your Taxes (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/irs-federal-workers-2010/). Who ranks with the lowest delinquency rate (at least among cabinet departments? The U.S.Treasury Department, with only 0.96%.

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) and Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) have authored bills (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/03/rep_chaffetz_proposes_firing_f.html) to force federal agencies, the U.S. Postal Service and congressional offices to fire employees (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2011/02/17/ST2011021706424.html) who purposely avoid paying taxes. Exceptions would be made for employees suffering from family turmoil or working to correct significant financial hardship. Chaffetz’s bill was approved by a committee last spring (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/14/house-panel-passes-cracking-tax-delinquent-federal-workers/), but Coburn’s still awaits consideration by a Senate panel. See Federal Employees Owe $1.03 billion In Unpaid Taxes (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/post/federal-employees-owe-103-billion-in-unpaid-taxes/2012/01/20/gIQAv7KKJQ_blog.html).

specsaregood
02-21-2012, 02:14 PM
and they laughed at dr. paul.

brushfire
02-21-2012, 02:17 PM
F'n Chaffetz, backin' the IRS.

bluesc
02-21-2012, 02:20 PM
And both of them will remain in office indefinitely regardless of what they do simply because they are Mormons in Utah.

Seriously need to increase turnout among non-Mormons in that state to restore some sanity in their higher office holders.

Do you have any idea how quickly both of those dudes would drop their church the moment they realized that they didn't need it to get elected?

eduardo89
02-21-2012, 02:21 PM
Ironic he the office of governemnt ethics is first on the list of tax cheats....

No surprise on numbers 2 and 3



U.S. Office of Government Ethics: 6.49%
Federal Reserve Board: 4.86%
U.S. House of Representatives: 4.24%

GeorgiaAvenger
02-21-2012, 02:21 PM
As for the federal agency thing, I support that.

We pay these people and they don't pay their taxes.

HOLLYWOOD
02-21-2012, 02:59 PM
As for the federal agency thing, I support that.

We pay these people and they don't pay their taxes.Well, with a grain of salt, I know many many people that were accused of owing money to the IRS, when they didn't. There's one thing Michele Bachmann brought up that is so true about the IRS and the kangaroo tax courts, you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent.

The IRS/US Treasury doesn't have to be responsible and doesn't have to correct. I'm sure there's 1,000s upon 1,000s of cases...

BTW, now that I'm thinking about what they want to do... How many people are charged with owing the IRS/Treasury? How much have they taken from the people per year? How many people do they steal their Social Security, savings, etc? How many do they charge in court? How many go to prison?

You never see these stats...

Keith and stuff
02-21-2012, 03:06 PM
This is getting down right evil by these Old Imperial Empire Aristocrats... It's using government employees as an excuse, but we all know who this is really targeting, the civilian population. Imagine if you are in Alaska, or Hawaii, or Peurto Rico, Virgin Islands, Guam etc...

I went to AK last year. You don't need a passport to go from AK to WA. I didn't use a passport when I went to HI, either.

eduardo89
02-21-2012, 03:17 PM
I went to AK last year. You don't need a passport to go from AK to WA. I didn't use a passport when I went to HI, either.

You don't even need a passport to travel from Alaska to Washington via British Columbia.

thoughtomator
02-21-2012, 03:25 PM
After having navigated the maze of federal taxes with modest success for a couple of decades, someone having a tax problem doesn't lower them in my eyes AT ALL. The whole thing is a scam designed to frighten and confuse people into paying the maximum that can be extracted from them. Call the IRS 10 times to resolve a problem, you will literally get 10 different answers, and the agency is accountable for none of those answers. It behaves more like the administration of a colonial government than any organization a free society that operates under the rule of law would permit.

Danke
02-21-2012, 04:11 PM
You don't even need a passport to travel from Alaska to Washington via British Columbia.

As in ground or air? If air, did you disembark or just a stop/connection?

By air, I have been told one needs a passport to go to Canada (which we should of annexed a long time ago).

Austrian Econ Disciple
02-21-2012, 04:13 PM
I expect more planes to be flown into IRS buildings in the future with their ever growing tyranny. The amount of lives they ruin, the amount of progress they impede, and the amount of theft and graft they extort is tremendous. The IRS definitely needs to be a high priority to dismantle.

UtahApocalypse
02-21-2012, 04:15 PM
F'n Chaffetz, backin' the IRS.

worst mistake in my life was helping his campaign. Backstabbing neocon assho;e

Austrian Econ Disciple
02-21-2012, 04:19 PM
worst mistake in my life was helping his campaign. Backstabbing neocon assho;e

I don't help anyone unless I've either seen, or heard from respectable sources of their action in the liberty movement helping actual libertarians. I refuse to be taken for the rope-a-dope. If you have not shown previous commitment and understanding, then well, I guess you are SOL. There really isn't any other metric to be used for folks running for the first time. If they have any connections or previously worked for tyranny (Neo-con, Progressive, establishment, etc. etc.) they're a no-go.

thoughtomator
02-21-2012, 04:19 PM
Just to clarify, when I hear about a government employee who "owes" (funny phrase for not having forked up enough money at gunpoint) back taxes, my problem with him is the "government employee" part, not the taxes part.

Anti Federalist
02-21-2012, 04:25 PM
And there are some folks, right on this board as a matter of fact, that still insist all is well.

When the powers that be start to close the doors, and make it more and more difficult to leave, shit is about to get very very bad.

randomname
02-21-2012, 04:27 PM
Orrin Hatch = Pure evil

Austrian Econ Disciple
02-21-2012, 04:28 PM
And there are some folks, right on this board as a matter of fact, that still insist all is well.

When the powers that be start to close the doors, and make it more and more difficult to leave, shit is about to get very very bad.

But the same folks, and even others who recognize how bad it is want to build a fence and have armed patrols guarding the borders. HAHAHA. What FOOLS.

GeorgiaAvenger
02-21-2012, 04:35 PM
The actual thing Hatch did to hurt federal workers was to prevent them from running for office.....douchebag

Anti Federalist
02-21-2012, 04:40 PM
But the same folks, and even others who recognize how bad it is want to build a fence and have armed patrols guarding the borders. HAHAHA. What FOOLS.

A fence built to keep others out, can just as easily be used to keep you, in. - JV

teacherone
02-21-2012, 04:41 PM
federal workers don't pay taxes.

they are paid WITH taxes.

the whole thing is an illusion and a sham.

emazur
02-21-2012, 04:45 PM
F'n Chaffetz, backin' the IRS.

Judge Nap had him on as a semi-regular guest on Freedom Watch - there were way too many establishment Republicans that he praised as champions of the Constitution and limited government

Danke
02-21-2012, 05:00 PM
federal workers don't pay taxes.

they are paid WITH taxes.

the whole thing is an illusion and a sham.

That is why it is called a "Return."