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aGameOfThrones
02-18-2012, 04:50 PM
A police officer saw Randle's car that night and decided to investigate. He knocked on the window, and Randle opened the door. Randle had been drinking beers in the vehicle, with the engine on to stay warm in the cold night. Randle was convicted of driving under the influence of alcohol, a felony, even though he was not driving. Randle appealed, insisting the police officer had no probable cause to suspect him of wrong-doing when he approached and that a reasonable person would not assume he was free to drive off with a police officer knocking on his window. A three-judge panel disagreed, pointing out he could have easily left the scene.

"The evidence showed that Randle was not prevented from leaving the parking lot," Judge John M. Melanson wrote for the court. "The district court found that Randle could have backed up and driven away from the encounter without running over the officer because the officer was at Randle's driver's side window and the officer's vehicle was two car lengths behind Randle's."

"By approaching Randle's vehicle in the parking lot and tapping on the window, the officer did not restrict Randle's liberty to ignore the officer's presence and go about his business," Melanson wrote. "We conclude that, when the officer parked behind Randle's vehicle, left the patrol car's headlights on, approached Randle's vehicle and knocked on the window, such conduct would not have communicated to a reasonable person that he or she was not at liberty to ignore the officer's presence and go about his or her business."

The appellate court refused to consider Randle's argument that he would have risked charges of resisting arrest or obstruction. Before rolling down the window, the motorist had no idea whether the officer actually had probable cause that a crime was being committed. Randle's attorney argued that the decision "encourages dangerous behavior."

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/37/3715.asp

Dustancostine
02-18-2012, 06:10 PM
Wouldn't he be committing the crime by driving away. The one he was charged with?

SCOTUSman
02-18-2012, 06:14 PM
Wouldn't he be committing the crime by driving away. The one he was charged with?

Yes, but there wouldn't be any PC as to illegal activity taking place.

The cop knocks on the window. Driver just drives away. Officer wouldn't know the subject was drinking. (Now if he started swerving or running into things, that would be PC to pull someone over obviously). The only reason the officer knew he was drinking is because the individual opened the door.

Seraphim
02-18-2012, 06:34 PM
The cop would have chased him down and then charged the driver with 521 different crimes.

He was fucked no matter what he did. Fun times.


Yes, but there wouldn't be any PC as to illegal activity taking place.

The cop knocks on the window. Driver just drives away. Officer wouldn't know the subject was drinking. (Now if he started swerving or running into things, that would be PC to pull someone over obviously). The only reason the officer knew he was drinking is because the individual opened the door.

Kylie
02-18-2012, 06:53 PM
No he wouldn't.

He'd pull out his gun and shoot you in the face.


"His left hand was on the door handle and his right hand was on his gun, they were close together, you know. " says Buchele. He says he never saw the officer arm in the window. He says he heard the officer shout, "Stop, or I'll shoot!" and that he assumed the officer meant stop moving the car. Then, suddenly, the officer fired right at Cook, shattering the driver's window. Buchele says he was stunned the officer fired... and continued firing as Cook drove up the street.

FreedomProsperityPeace
02-19-2012, 06:13 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up dead if he tried to drive away. The cop would've accused him of trying to run him down and it would've all been wrapped up nice and tidy.

Barrex
02-19-2012, 08:58 AM
My legal knowledge says this about his situation: Rofl.

mrsat_98
02-19-2012, 09:09 AM
Why roll down the window or open the door.


The individual may stand upon his constitutional rights as a citizen. He is entitled to carry on his private business in his own way. His power to contract is unlimited. He owes no duty to the State or to his neighbors to divulge his business, or to open his doors to an investigation, so far as it may tend to criminate him. He owes no such duty to the State, since he receives nothing therefrom beyond the protection of his life and property. His rights are such as existed by the law of the land long antecedent to the organization of the State, and can only be taken from him by due process of law, and in accordance with the Constitution. Among his rights are a refusal to incriminate himself and the immunity of himself and his property from arrest or seizure except under a warrant of the law. He owes nothing to the public so long as he does not trespass upon their rights. Hale v. Henkel, 201 U.S. 43 (1906) at page 74

http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/201/43/case.html