Maine Saturday Open Thread

[carterm]

Old Total:
2,269 - Romney
2,032 - Paul

New Total:
2,372 - Romney
2,257 - Paul

We lost by 115.

113 if we want to count the unreported New Portland caucus.

[gorgonzola]

I will be leaving shortly to drive to East Machias. I caucused two weeks ago in Kennebec county but will go there to show support and observe this historical event. I should be back home by 7 PM and will report back in.

I'm sure there will be lots of good energy coming our way today.

[Drex]

REMEMBER THE (USS) MAINE!

[parocks]

I thought I'd start this. Let's fill this thread with reports from the ground/twitter/forum members/and, sigh, the maine GOP. Any and all results.

Here are the caucuses.

Hancock County
Gouldsboro, Hancock, Lamoine, Waltham, Sorrento, Sullivan, Winter Harbor, Fletcher’s Landing
February 18th, 10:00 A.M.
Hancock Grammar School (off Route 1)
Caucus Contact Person: Kathy Birdsall

Aurora/Amherst, Eastbrook, Franklin, Mariaville, Osborn
February 18th, 1:00 P.M.
Eastbrook Municipal Office
959 Eastbrook Road, Eastbrook
Caucus Contact Person: Debbie Lockman

Kennebec County
Clinton
Saturday, February 18
10:00 A.M.
Clinton Town Office
Contact: Steve Trask

Washington County
February 18th, 1:30 P.M.
Washington Academy
East Machias

I will try my best to update this thread with a running total.

2,269 - Romney
2,032 - Paul

Right now the magic number is 237. (239 as reported by GOP. Reports are that we gained 2 in Rome on Thursday)

Do we know that all the caucuses after Sat Feb 11 will count? The Washington Caucuses might be in a different category from the Hancock and Kennebec caucuses

[parocks]

I will be leaving shortly to drive to East Machias. I caucused two weeks ago in Kennebec county but will go there to show support and observe this historical event. I should be back home by 7 PM and will report back in.

I'm sure there will be lots of good energy coming our way today.

Have you talked to Eric Brakey?

They're concerned about "rogue volunteers". You might want to find a voter in Washington County. Extra GOTV. You might talk to Valerie Page (who should have money that we here on Ron Paul Forums gave her for Extra GOTV). I'm not sure what you'd do with money. You might be able to figure that out, I dunno. There's a Mobil station / convenience store in downtown Machias. 5 miles before the East Machias caucus. You might want to stop there. Theres a natural food store across the street. Raw milk. You might find people who live in Washington County at those places who are awake, and dressed, and have drivers licenses and could just go right down that road there to the caucus.

[parocks]

http://www.burnhamtavern.com/History2.htm The Burnham Tavern, in Machias, which you will be driving right by -

"The Tap Room of Job Burnham’s tavern, which stands at the center of Machias and overlooks the river anchorage, became the scene of hot and heavy debate as the settlers struggled to decide. Jeremiah O’Brien, Job’s brother-in-law, argued hard for aggressive action and urged the capture of the British commander and his ship."

[rp08orbust]

How are "open threads" more open than non-open threads?

[wstrucke]

How are "open threads" more open than non-open threads?

It's the same difference between official and unofficial threads.

[rp08orbust]

REMEMBER THE (USS) MAINE!

That's it! The whole fiasco is a false flag operation engineered by the Ron Paul campaign as a way to energize Ron Paul supporters in Washington Co. to attend the caucus and become delegates!

[wstrucke]

any reports from the 10AM caucuses?

[parocks]

I'm volunteering to pay $100 to reserve 2 tables at http://bluebirdranchrestaurant.com/private-dining.html that place - on route 1 in Machias - 5 miles from the caucus. There might be "rogue volunteers" who might want to use it for base of operations, and/or afterparty. I'm talking in great detail on Maine For Ron Paul facebook group
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150567816744220&set=o.162186697132495&type=1&theater

[GraniteHills]

/cross-post

Live, local updates:
http://bangordailynews.com/2012/02/18/politics/live-updates-from-the-gop-caucuses-in-hancock-and-washington-counties/?ref=relatedSidebar

[GraniteHills]

There are about 135 attendees this morning at the Hancock County caucus. #mepolitics
Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 10:36 a.m.

Seems like a lot of voters...

[neverseen]

live feed from rev pac:
http://www.revolutionpac.com/2012/02/the-maine-caucus-live/

[neverseen]

Selecting delegates on the live feed...

Who do you guys support?
Ron Paul, Ron Paul, Ron Paul.... Ron Paul, Ron Paul lol

sounded like 5 of 9 are RP, i heard a romney and a santo.

[CTRattlesnake]

135 votes at the Hancock caucus...and thats only part of the county. Very good sign.

We need a lot of votes to overcome the deficit.

[RabbitMan]

So we're doing well?

[GraniteHills]

Selecting delegates on the live feed...

Who do you guys support?
Ron Paul, Ron Paul, Ron Paul.... Ron Paul, Ron Paul lol

sounded like 5 of 9 are RP, i heard a romney and a santo.

Charlie Webster Math™ = 5 Romney, 4 Santorum (surging), 0 Paul

[CTRattlesnake]

Charlie Webster Math™ = 5 Romney, 4 Santorum (surging), 0 Paul

lol

[Constitutional Paulicy]

LOL most recent activity post. :D

http://bangordailynews.com/2012/02/18/politics/live-updates-from-the-gop-caucuses-in-hancock-and-washington-counties/?ref=relatedSidebar


Speakers endorsed Romney, Paul and Gingrich, but when the microphone was offered to Santorum supporters nobody came forward #mepolitics
Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 11:49 p.m.

[CTRattlesnake]

In 08, only 230 people voted in the entire county.

So turnout for the small caucus today is way up from normal turnout there

[sailingaway]

live feed from rev pac:
http://www.revolutionpac.com/2012/02/the-maine-caucus-live/

that is Hancock county I think.

Hope the turn out is bigger in Washington county.

[parocks]

135 votes at the Hancock caucus...and thats only part of the county. Very good sign.

We need a lot of votes to overcome the deficit.

here's who was at the 10A caucus

Fletcher’s Landing 04605
Gouldsboro, 04607
Hancock, 04640 (last time 19 votes)
Lamoine, 04605
Sorrento, 04677 (last time 5 votes)
Sullivan, 04664
Waltham, 04605
Winter Harbor 04693

the other towns weren't listed on my source.

[carterm]

this hancock caucus is actually bigger than the other one, fwiw

[samsung1]

counting ballots now!!

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/maine-caucuses

[carterm]

haha, romney guy is annoying everyone. "don't tell us how to run our caucus"

[neverseen]

haha, romney guy is annoying everyone. "don't tell us how to run our caucus"

Loved that moment lol.

How can they not count yellow tickets *sigh*

[opinionatedfool]

counting ballots now!!

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/maine-caucuses

Lol, they don't seem to know how to count them. In the RecPac stream the one guy keeps telling them, "Count the yellow tickets". You would think they would have figured that out before they started the event.

[ronpaulhawaii]

Just saw on Facebook - lol:



Romney "supporters" with DC and Mass plates just hit each other in front of caucus site. I think they were distracted by the Ron Paul signs...



https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/418462_3375232338498_1200020466_33453998_616788970 _n.jpg

GO GRASSROOTS!

[neverseen]

We don't have enough yellow tickets. I'm throwing 2 votes out. wtf lol

[CTRattlesnake]

Just saw on Facebook - lol:





https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/418462_3375232338498_1200020466_33453998_616788970 _n.jpg

GO GRASSROOTS!

The bring the sheep in from all over...wow

[CTRattlesnake]

Watching the live stream now...wtf, can the entire state of maine not count? How hard is it?

[opinionatedfool]

Lol, they don't seem to know how to count them. In the RecPac stream the one guy keeps telling them, "Count the yellow tickets". You would think they would have figured that out before they started the event.

http://www.revolutionpac.com/2012/02/the-maine-caucus-live/

[carterm]

really off topic but where can i find that new-ish chart that had paul leading obama 8-6 with independents?

[CTRattlesnake]

Maine: The only state that cant count 25 yellow post-it notes without running into problems

[neverseen]

newt 5
romney 5
ron 8
santo 8

[carterm]

5 romney 5 gingrich 8 ron paul 8 santorum

looks like gingrich and santorum people didn't get the memo...

[CTRattlesnake]

Tally one of the towns in the hancock Caucus

Gingrich: 5
Romney: 5
Paul: 8
Santorum: 8

[bobburn]

8 Paul, 8 Santoru, 5 Romney, 5 Gingrich (lol)

[Wooden Indian]

Disorganized and almost clueless. Wow.

[neverseen]

Why are little sugar ants living in my monitor?

Why didn't these ding dongs make a tactical vote for RP :/ lammmmme

[Wooden Indian]

We don't have enough yellow tickets. I'm throwing 2 votes out. wtf lol

Yeah. WTF was that? Followed by, "It's only a non-binding caucus, anyhow". Who are these people?

[carterm]

imagine if those 8 santorum votes went to paul. hopefully speakers are saying a vote for paul is a vote against romney.

[gunnysmith]

Tagging for updates

[tommyzDad]

F5 FTW!!

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd5/tommyzDad/Funny/f5_gnashing.gif

[FriedChicken]

Santorum supporters are hurting Santorum in Maine by not voting for Paul.

I honestly think that a Paul victory in maine would help Santy more than Ron ... but I don't care, cause Romney and Santorum are one in the same basically - just as long as it helps Paul.

[FriedChicken]

It is disappointing that with all the motivation and with everything on the line we tied with Santorum and only beat Romney/Gingrich by 3 votes. Washington ... we need those Santorum voters, win them over.

[CTRattlesnake]

It is disappointing that with all the motivation and with everything on the line we tied with Santorum and only beat Romney/Gingrich by 3 votes. Washington ... we need those Santorum voters, win them over.

That was 1 town. Only 26 votes out of 135...we dont know what happened in the other towns

[carterm]

Nate Silver
@fivethirtyeight
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The 135 attendees at that Hancock ME caucus cover towns with about 8500 population. Would project to 500+ in Washington Co.

[opinionatedfool]

That was 1 town. Only 26 votes out of 135...we dont know what happened in the other towns

Yeah, when will be see those?

[Wooden Indian]

...we dont know what happened in the other towns

Hopefully not more "I'll just throw these away" statements. LOL

[CTRattlesnake]

Nate Silver
@fivethirtyeight
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The 135 attendees at that Hancock ME caucus cover towns with about 8500 population. Would project to 500+ in Washington Co.

Unless we get over 50% of the vote, were going to need 700-800 to win.

If we get 800 people...and ron get 50% and mitt 20%.

Ron gets 400 votes, mittens gets 160. That would be just enough to win.

[WD-NY]

Tally one of the towns in the hancock Caucus

Gingrich: 5
Romney: 5
Paul: 8
Santorum: 8

Ugh! Wtf is wrong with santo & newt supporters??

Or did our people not explain why they should vote for Paul in their speeches.

[Barrex]

How much till Washington county starts voting ?

[CTRattlesnake]

BDNPolitics Ron Paul won the presidential nominee preference poll in Hancock with 41 votes. Romney 16; Santorum 17; Gingrich 9 #mepolitics




Official Totals from Hancock:

Ron Paul: 41
Romney: 16
Santorum: 17
Gingrich: 9


Net gain: RP +25. Now down 210 votes to Mittens

[neverseen]

BDNPolitics Ron Paul won the presidential nominee preference poll in Hancock with 41 votes. Romney 16; Santorum 17; Gingrich 9 #mepolitics
about 1 minute ago · reply · retweet · favorite

RON SLIDE

[braane]

Official Totals from Hancock:

Ron Paul: 41
Romney: 16
Santorum: 17
Gingrich: 9


Net gain: RP +25. Now down 210 votes to Mittens

Not that's a start :O

[neverseen]

41/83= 49%

good start!

[CTRattlesnake]

There is another caucus in hancock county later today.

[carterm]

updated

[Barrex]

Good start but if this percentages go in Washington county too we will need way more people to show up and vote...I am so worried about things going on today (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0e10baH6cE)

[FriedChicken]

That was 1 town. Only 26 votes out of 135...we dont know what happened in the other towns

Correct - but still disappointing. At least to me. We should be the most motivated supporters out there - dragging all our friends family, offering free beer or lunch, our roommates half of the rent for the month, dinner ... pretty RP supporting girls should be inviting desperate guys "so uh, would you like to go to the caucus with me today?" ....

Don't mind me, most RP supporters in Indiana suffer from stir craziness.

[Kregisen]

Santorum and Gingrich supporters HAVE to be voting Paul today...they are drastically hurting their candidates by not voting for Romney to lose. If Romney gets a 4th loss in a row, he may not be able to fully recover. By voting with their hearts instead of their heads, they are hurting themselves.


As for us...we have well more than enough Paul supporters in the areas to win. The question is turnout. It's up to them. If they want to win, they can win this by hundreds. If they don't care, then we may lose.

[seawolf]

Bangor Daily News said at the beginning of the Hancock Caucus there were approximately 135 in attendance. My guess is there were an awful lot of people just observing the proceedings.

So obviously an early head count of attendees is no indication of actual votes cast.

[carterm]

ahh what about clinton in kennebec? we need numbers there

[opinionatedfool]

This whole new "recount" number is so stupid. Webster said that you "can't do a recount because the ballots were thrown out." Then they do one anyway? What were they counting if they were thrown out?

[Kregisen]

This whole new "recount" number is so stupid. Webster said that you "can't do a recount because the ballots were thrown out." Then they do one anyway? What were they counting if they were thrown out?

They asked all of the caucus chairs to re-send in their numbers.

[carterm]

someone with twitter should inquire about clinton caucus http://twitter.com/bangordailynews

[opinionatedfool]

Correct - but still disappointing. At least to me. We should be the most motivated supporters out there - dragging all our friends family, offering free beer or lunch, our roommates half of the rent for the month, dinner ... pretty RP supporting girls should be inviting desperate guys "so uh, would you like to go to the caucus with me today?" ....

Don't mind me, most RP supporters in Indiana suffer from stir craziness.

I believe there were 83. I starting watching late, but I don't think the people RevPac had in the video feed were the only people voting. These are the numbers for Hancock:

Ron Paul: 41
Romney: 16
Santorum: 17
Gingrich: 9

[rp2012win]

This whole new "recount" number is so stupid. Webster said that you "can't do a recount because the ballots were thrown out." Then they do one anyway? What were they counting if they were thrown out?The count they did was a "reconsideration" of the numbers. In that reconsideration process, Romney increased his lead nearly 25%. That tells you all you need to know.

[opinionatedfool]

someone with twitter should inquire about clinton caucus http://twitter.com/bangordailynews

I asked. Hopefully I'll get a response soon.

[bbwarfield]

If there are less than 500 in washington i do not forsee a win.... 500 plus we need these numbers to hold.... at 800 people we have a great chance of winning with a more average %

[opinionatedfool]

someone with twitter should inquire about clinton caucus http://twitter.com/bangordailynews

They just responded. 4 for Paul, 2 for Romney.

[parocks]

Official Totals from Hancock:

Ron Paul: 41
Romney: 16
Santorum: 17
Gingrich: 9


Net gain: RP +25. Now down 210 votes to Mittens

Where is the 135 votes? I see 83 votes

[opinionatedfool]

The count they did was a "reconsideration" of the numbers. In that reconsideration process, Romney increased his lead nearly 25%. That tells you all you need to know.

What a bunch of fools

[libertybrewcity]

They just announced on talk radio here in Virginia that the Maine GOP found another 200 votes for Romney. fuuuuu

[Endthefednow]

I told you I told you Romney will win with 300 votes :mad:

[braane]

I told you I told you Romney will win with 300 votes :mad:

but he won't

[nyrgoal99]

http://occupytvstations.com/blog/new-maine-caucus-results-ron-paul-gained-the-most-votes-not-romney-like-the-maine-gop-claims

Article states Ron Paul is only down 137 heading into today

thoughts?

[The Gold Standard]

After they "reconsidered" the numbers and fraudulently padded Mitt's lead I figured there was no chance Ron could be announced the winner no matter how many people vote for him today.

[GraniteHills]

Most towns in Hancock County and around the state caucused in the past few weeks. With the newest results, Ron Paul currently carries the county with 135 votes compared to Mitt Romney’s 128, according to an unofficial tabulation by the Bangor Daily News, although six towns remain unreported.

http://bangordailynews.com/2012/02/18/politics/ron-paul-carries-hancock-as-state-nears-end-of-gop-caucuses/

[rp2012win]

They just announced on talk radio here in Virginia that the Maine GOP found another 200 votes for Romney. fuuuuuIs this a joke? It's sad I have to ask but that is the level of absurdity the maine gop is at

[opinionatedfool]

They just announced on talk radio here in Virginia that the Maine GOP found another 200 votes for Romney. fuuuuu

What the heck??? Was this something official or just the MSM spouting crap?

[sailingaway]

After they "reconsidered" the numbers and fraudulently padded Mitt's lead I figured there was no chance Ron could be announced the winner no matter how many people vote for him today.

me too, unless the entire population of the county showed up and caucused for Ron. But we'll see. The closer it is the fishier their 'newly discovered' numbers look, especially when you note Ron LOST votes previously counted, it wasn't just adding new ones to people.

[carterm]

keeping the numbers i have for now (added clinton)

[sailingaway]

What the heck??? Was this something official or just the MSM spouting crap?

I'm assuming they are talking about the new votes 'discovered' yesterday, bringing his LEAD above 200, not 200 new votes found. That would make them even more of a laughing stock than they are.

[GraniteHills]

The Bangor paper has nothing about that, and they've been on top of the caucuses real well reporting-wise...second only to Rachel Maddow, perhaps.

[bbwarfield]

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151314660605593&l=600f1c915amore maine votes found for Romney!!!

[braane]

What the heck??? Was this something official or just the MSM spouting crap?

Clearly it's a case of the radio station being misinformed or intentionally spreading disinformation. Everyone should calm down.

[carterm]

210 is the number (208 if we count new portland, which we would need RufusTDoofus to raise hell in order to prove (even though he was at the caucus))

[nyrgoal99]

What time does Washington County start

will there be video?

[bobburn]

The Maine GOP ought to be ashamed of themselves. They've made the Nevada GOP look like pros.

[No1butPaul]

http://bangordailynews.com/2012/02/18/politics/ron-paul-carries-hancock-as-state-nears-end-of-gop-caucuses/

Have to share this joke from the Comments section of the Bangor Daily News in case anyone missed it:

"I have learned the difference between a cactus and a caucus. On a cactus, the pricks are on the outside."

[rp08orbust]

What time does Washington County start

In about 15 minutes.

[sailingaway]

Have to share this joke from the Comments section of the Bangor Daily News in case anyone missed it:

"I have learned the difference between a cactus and a caucus. On a cactus, the pricks are on the outside."

tempted to make that my new signature....

[pauliticalfan]

We need Gingrich and Santorum supporters to win. They would be INCREDIBLY dense not to vote for Ron Paul to deny Romney the win. Don't we have even one speaker there who will try to get them to make a "tactical vote"?

[phill4paul]

Have to share this joke from the Comments section of the Bangor Daily News in case anyone missed it:

"I have learned the difference between a cactus and a caucus. On a cactus, the pricks are on the outside."

LOL.

[thelaibon]

We need Gingrich and Santorum supporters to win. They would be INCREDIBLY dense not to vote for Ron Paul to deny Romney the win. Don't we have even one speaker there who will try to get them to make a "tactical vote"?
Absolutely CRITICAL. This ^

[parocks]

As for us...we have well more than enough Paul supporters in the areas to win. The question is turnout. It's up to them. If they want to win, they can win this by hundreds. If they don't care, then we may lose.

No.

NO NO NO NO.

If we have supporters who don't vote, it's the failure of OUR GOTV SYSTEM.

It the campaigns job to find their supporters and drag them to the polls. That is exactly what GOTV is.

Get
Out (of the house and to the polls)
The
Vote(rs)

What we do is call the old people who always vote. The old people aren't our base.
When we find them, we call them over and over and over again until they answer.

We don't do much of anything I can see to find the "mystery people" who aren't currently registered voters. 18 year old males who have never voted like Ron Paul.
They need handholding. They need to be sold on spending how many hours exactly on this. There are a lot of people who don't know where the caucus is, and don't really want to go to the caucus. We need to do something to move those people to the polls.

I've offered to rent 2 tables at the ideal restaurant/bar for $100 if anyone actually showed up and was on the ground there and asked the people there if they would do that. I could make those calls myself, but I'm looking for just one single person who is on the ball on this one. No takers. It'd be a pretty good grassroots hq. There are voters there. Set up an HQ, walk around all working like. And talk to the people there. Hey, do you need a ride to the caucus. We're from out of town, and, hey, we're giving tickets out at the caucus for the afterparty. You're gonna want a ticket to the afterparty with the free beer or whatever it is. Go get one from a person wearing a tshirt with TICKETS on it. There are people in the hallways when the towns are letting out. That's GOTV. Extra GOTV. We have to have extra GOTV. I think we're going to get extra GOTV from an atypical source.

But the key, key ERROR is to think that turnout is up to them.

We just like talking about liberty and Ron Paul, and trying to change peoples minds. Pretty much pointless.

We need to get good, and get good quickly, at turnout. And we need a pretty huge, pretty well oiled machine that moves people to the polls. Young males 18-45 pretty much, but certainly 18-29, to the polls. Don't worry about whether they care as much about liberty as you do. Statistically, they like Ron Paul the most. Which means that the more you bring, the wider your margin of victory.

If our strategy involves winning states by having the most people vote for Ron Paul, we're going to have to do a lot of that. Moving people to the polls. I haven't seen a good result from a college campus that I can remember. U Minnesota gave Ron Paul about 4 votes per dorm.

[CTRattlesnake]

BDNPolitics Clinton, in Kennebec County, had 6 caucus-goers this morning. Ron Paul received 4 votes there and Mitt Romney received 2. #mepolitics



Ron now +27 on the day.


Deficit is now 208

[opinionatedfool]

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151314660605593&l=600f1c915amore maine votes found for Romney!!!

Lol, that's great!

[parocks]

Absolutely CRITICAL. This ^

Yeah, thank "no one but Paul"

"Oh, sure Ron Paul supporter, I'll consider voting for Paul for tactical reasons, how about you, would you support my candidate for tactical reasons"

"NO ONE BUT PAUL"

"Oh, so you're a hypocrite then?"

[pauliticalfan]

Ron now +27 on the day.


Deficit is now 208

Someone needs to keep a "votes netted" tally.

Just in case, you know, our total today would have been enough to overcome the original deficit, but not the conveniently found new one.

[CTRattlesnake]

Someone needs to keep a "votes netted" tally.

Just in case, you know, our total today would have been enough to overcome the original deficit, but not the conveniently found new one.

I think we're going to need to overcome the new total...the Maine GOP put that out as the new official total, thats what we have to deal with

[carterm]

Ron now +27 on the day.


Deficit is now 208

no i already added that

[carterm]

Someone needs to keep a "votes netted" tally.

Just in case, you know, our total today would have been enough to overcome the original deficit, but not the conveniently found new one.

i am, check original post

[Barrex]

Parocks I think I have seen you visit that google document (where we collected info about possible Ron voters).

Did you make any calls?What is your expectation based on those calls?

[Kregisen]

No.

NO NO NO NO.

If we have supporters who don't vote, it's the failure of OUR GOTV SYSTEM.

You misunderstood me. Of course it's down to GOTV. I'm talking in general here. In a perfect world, you do not need GOTV because every voter knows when to vote, and actually votes. That was my point. These RP supporters shouldn't need reminding when to vote, it should be common sense unless they never read a paper or touch a computer.

My comment was about the reason why we need GOTV in the first place, not that we don't need GOTV.

[Kregisen]

Yeah, thank "no one but Paul"

"Oh, sure Ron Paul supporter, I'll consider voting for Paul for tactical reasons, how about you, would you support my candidate for tactical reasons"

"NO ONE BUT PAUL"

"Oh, so you're a hypocrite then?"

Hey, I think most people here would vote for Santorum or Gingrich if it was a 2-man race between Romney and Paul, and a Romney loss would make a Paul nomination 50% more likely. No doubt I would.

[sailingaway]

Hey, I think most people here would vote for Santorum or Gingrich if it was a 2-man race between Romney and Paul, and a Romney loss would make a Paul nomination 50% more likely. No doubt I would.

heck yea, I would too. I'd really be voting for Ron.

[rp2012win]

Bill Nemitz @BillNemitz Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Washington County caucus about to begin. Turnout looks around 200-250.

EPIC FAIL!

[pauliticalfan]

Bill Nemitz @BillNemitz Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Washington County caucus about to begin. Turnout looks around 200-250.

EPIC FAIL!

:(

[GraniteHills]

Uh oh...

[pauliticalfan]

That's incredibly bad. So much for 500+.

[rp08orbust]

Bill Nemitz @BillNemitz Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Washington County caucus about to begin. Turnout looks around 200-250.

EPIC FAIL!

Indeed. Attendance of 135 only produced ~80 votes in Hancock Co.

[CTRattlesnake]

If thats true, its over

[bbwarfield]

we would need 90%

[muh_roads]

Come on Mainer's. Go vote. :(

I am really tired of the kids in this movement not walking the talk.

[sailingaway]

Bill Nemitz @BillNemitz Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Washington County caucus about to begin. Turnout looks around 200-250.

EPIC FAIL!

:(

I wonder if the colleges being in session would have been different, last week. If not, then it is just what it is.

[FriedChicken]

what can we win?

[carterm]

do we have results from hancock's other caucus?

[CTRattlesnake]

do we have results from hancock's other caucus?

starts this afternoon sometime

[bbwarfield]

we need 85% of washington and a good "get out the vote" in the other caucus...... all 3 people need to call everyone and say "wanna make history? we get x people together and we flip a whole state"

[GraniteHills]

http://a.yfrog.com/img620/9195/jwtov.jpg (http://yfrog.com/h8jwtovj)

ground zero, 12 mins ago

[Wooden Indian]

If true... Maine's likely lost. Fraud... Incompetence... whatever you want to call it. It's time to move on and focus on the contests ahead.

[CTRattlesnake]

Thanks charlie webster.

I hope you get what you deserve one day

[Canderson]

So did our people confirm the newly released GOP numbers? Is the deficit were trying to close legitimate?

[rp08orbust]

http://a.yfrog.com/img620/9195/jwtov.jpg (http://yfrog.com/h8jwtovj)

ground zero, 12 mins ago

Anyone have the patience to do a head count over that photo? I'd say that represents about 60% of the basketball court.

[Wooden Indian]

http://a.yfrog.com/img620/9195/jwtov.jpg (http://yfrog.com/h8jwtovj)

ground zero, 12 mins ago

Err, is that a caucus or a retirement home? They better vote quickly, those folks have to be in bed by 6.

Where's the "youth vote"?

[rp2012win]

Honestly, if we cant get a net gain of 239 people when we knew that going in, who else can we blame? Even if the books were cooked, we knew the vote needed. It's sad and it's on the ron paul supporters in maine that failed to vote.

[Darthbrooklyn]

rp wins hancock

[pauliticalfan]

7,000 registered Republicans, each of whom have the opportunity to change the entire caucus in favor of their candidate, and only 250 show up. I'm sorry, but they deserve what they get in November. No other way around it.

[CTRattlesnake]

7,000 registered Republicans, each of whom have the opportunity to change the entire caucus in favor of their candidate, and only 250 show up. I'm sorry, but they deserve what they get in November. No other way around it.

This x100

[Danjlion7]

Guys, you all need to calm down. Maine votes by town, not county. The 250 is for ONE town within the county, nit the entire county. That tweet wasvmisleading.

[samsung1]

7,000 registered Republicans, each of whom have the opportunity to change the entire caucus in favor of their candidate, and only 250 show up. I'm sorry, but they deserve what they get in November. No other way around it.

especially if they are Ron Paul supporters. Sick of people that show up to the rallies but not to the voting booth or caucus sites

[opinionatedfool]

7,000 registered Republicans, each of whom have the opportunity to change the entire caucus in favor of their candidate, and only 250 show up. I'm sorry, but they deserve what they get in November. No other way around it.

What the heck is wrong with people????

[AmericasLastHope]

rp wins hancock

http://bangordailynews.com/2012/02/18/politics/ron-paul-carries-hancock-as-state-nears-end-of-gop-caucuses/

[rp08orbust]

Guys, you all need to calm down. Maine votes by town, not county. The 250 is for ONE town within the county, nit the entire county. That tweet wasvmisleading.

I'm afraid you're the one who has been mislead. Some counties of Maine have a single county-wide caucus referred to as a super-caucus. Washington is one of them.

[Barrex]

Guys, you all need to calm down. Maine votes by town, not county. The 250 is for ONE town within the county, nit the entire county. That tweet wasvmisleading.

lol... then this is a great news.... - rep if you are wrong ;) + if you are right ;)

[carterm]

Guys, you all need to calm down. Maine votes by town, not county. The 250 is for ONE town within the county, nit the entire county. That tweet wasvmisleading.

isn't washington a supercaucus though?

[FriedChicken]

Guys, you all need to calm down. Maine votes by town, not county. The 250 is for ONE town within the county, nit the entire county. That tweet wasvmisleading.

This true?? Cause I was under the impression that 250 was the county est.
- if it is for only one town, which one? Because that is more people voting in one town than the entire county did 4 years ago.

[Danjlion7]

I'm afraid you're the one who has been mislead. Some counties of Maine have a single county-wide caucus referred to as a super-caucus. Washington is one of them.

Are you 100% certain about that?

[ssjevot]

isn't washington a supercaucus though?

Yes it is. This is the only voting location.

[rp2012win]

Garrett Quinn @GarrettQuinn Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Paul's Maine coordinator tells me he expects 300-400 people at the Washington County caucus.

That was 1 hour ago though.

[FriedChicken]

I'm afraid you're the one who has been mislead. Some counties of Maine have a single county-wide caucus referred to as a super-caucus. Washington is one of them.

crap

[rp2012win]

Garrett Quinn @GarrettQuinn Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
The Washington County caucus is underway. Pledge, a prayer, recognition of military vets,

[carterm]

let's just hope 75-85% of the people there are voting ron paul...

[CTRattlesnake]

Even with 400 people, we still need to win 80%+

[jacmicwag]

what can we win?

The hearts and minds of the disenfranchised

[carterm]

Even with 400 people, we still need to win 80%+

false, we could be around 75%

[samsung1]

cant believe 500 ron paul supporters eligible to vote couldn't show up to this caucus? why?

[No Free Beer]

let's just hope 75-85% of the people there are voting ron paul...

good luck with that.

[GraniteHills]

The tweeted picture I posted is from East Machias.

[bbwarfield]

we have one more caucus after this... i suggest the paul supporters who arent eligible to vote leave now and start getting people in the other caucus.... cuase you can say "hey... we get 30 people together and we flip the state" or whatever.... by them all dinner at this point if they just go!

[No Free Beer]

The hearts and minds of the disenfranchised

The problem is that they aren't showing up to vote.

[FriedChicken]

This movement is not as powerful as I thought apparently - otherwise the news headlines would be about the large amount of youth voters showing up right now. We knew how many votes we needed ahead of time, we had more motivation than anyone else ... and we couldn't do better? wow. Just wow.

[sailingaway]

Maine was a good thing. Had Ron won he would have gotten less press for it than the debacle of the close count did, and while I would rather he had one to his tally, this has impressed on voters, I hope, as nothing else could, how important turn out is.

[carterm]

youth vote = college break right now. so dumb.

[Barrex]

false, we could be around 75%

lol...false... it depends also how many Mitt gets too.

[sailingaway]

This movement is not as powerful as I thought apparently - otherwise the news headlines would be about the large amount of youth voters showing up right now. We knew how many votes we needed ahead of time, we had more motivation than anyone else ... and we couldn't do better? wow. Just wow.



who are you lecturing? They moved the event to a time when the two colleges there had gone on break. Yeah, it would be nice if they gave up their plane tickets and vacations and stayed.

[CTRattlesnake]

false, we could be around 75%

True, either way Romney would really have to get swamped in order for us to cover the 208 vote gap

[sailingaway]

lol...false... it depends also how many Mitt gets too.

Yeah, the party has its reputation on the line here, i would expect them to have marshalled a lot of votes.

[FriedChicken]

we have one more caucus after this... i suggest the paul supporters who arent eligible to vote leave now and start getting people in the other caucus.... cuase you can say "hey... we get 30 people together and we flip the state" or whatever.... by them all dinner at this point if they just go!

Do whatcha gotta do. Get 'em there people!

[opinionatedfool]

isn't washington a supercaucus though?

Yes, it is. The Maine GOP rigged this and we lost. End of story. There aren't enough people there to pull it off. I hope people enjoyed their long lunch.

[samsung1]

Yes, it is. The Maine GOP rigged this and we lost. End of story. There aren't enough people there to pull it off. I hope people enjoyed their long lunch.

I wish Ron Paul had showed up...

it wouldnt have mattered. track record shows for some reason when the chips are down the Ron paul supporters dont show up, I can t understand why? Romney has 50 people show up at his events but gets 30k votes, wtf

[rp2012win]

Peter Laitres @Qhlth Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
At the Washington County Maine GOP Caucus. Circus atmosphere, full house! Voting for Ron Paul in the straw poll

[pauliticalfan]

Why the hell are colleges on break late February? I mean I know it's Maine, but it's almost March.

Oh also, it's incredibly convenient how Iowa, New Hampshire, and now Maine were all decided to be held when colleges were on break. But I'm sure it's only a coincidence, that's all it ever could be with the GOP!

[carterm]

the other hancock county caucus should be finished before the washington caucus

[rp08orbust]

who are you lecturing? They moved the event to a time when the two colleges there had gone on break. Yeah, it would be nice if they gave up their plane tickets and vacations and stayed.

But the grassroots had a few hundred of their own confirmed supporters identified on top of what the campaign had. If turnout is truly only 200-250, this represents a massive failure of supporters to follow through on what they promised just hours ago.

[Barrex]

LOL In my country national television is just starting to show "Slackers Uprising/Election kitchen (translated in my language "Izborna kuhinja")" by Michael Moore...On another is Incredible Hulk...How appropriate ;)


There is no way around it: This is dissapointing BUT dont give up.

[pauliticalfan]

"We've got this, we've got this. No more volunteers needed, we don't want too many cooks in the kitchen."

[Darthbrooklyn]

Hope everyone enjoys another 4 years of Obama

[No Free Beer]

Hey, lets go to rallies and not vote. Great idea.

[pauliticalfan]

Hope everyone enjoys another 4 years of Obama

If it makes the GOP crap their pants and kick themselves for what they've done to Ron Paul this cycle, so be it.

[parocks]

Correct - but still disappointing. At least to me. We should be the most motivated supporters out there - dragging all our friends family, offering free beer or lunch, our roommates half of the rent for the month, dinner ... pretty RP supporting girls should be inviting desperate guys "so uh, would you like to go to the caucus with me today?" ....

Don't mind me, most RP supporters in Indiana suffer from stir craziness.

No, you're exactly right. Extra GOTV is needed, especially when you need many more people than have ever voted in that caucus.

I've been trying. I've offered to pay $100 to rent 2 tables for 6 or so hours at the closest restaurant/bar. It could be used as a HQ. Ron Paul supporters who are just there with nothing really to do, can go there, talk with the other Ron Paul supporters. Figure out a plan to get voters to the caucus. Talk to the people in the restaurant. Maybe they need a ride to the polls. Or they need to know that the caucus is HAPPENING RIGHT NOW 5 MILES DOWN THIS ROAD. GO THERE NOW, AND COME BACK FOR THE AFTER PARTY. FREE BEER. But no takers on that. Our bag of tricks appears limited. I do think, though, that somebody out there, or many, have been doing this extra GOTV, and maybe keeping it a secret.

We need how many votes? 240? Nice round number. That's in Washington County only. If we do count Rome, etc., we'd have to count Castine. And that means it's not going to be over until March 3. 2 weeks away. And we could have 2 different winners. And we don't know which one it'll be.

We've had a lot of after parties, or victory parties, but, if we win today, if we get more than 240, we will have won the straw poll w/out other post 2/11s. Yay! Victory. But not so fast. There can be more caucuses announced. We really can't even truly relax until March 10, when they make their ruling. And there can be caucuses on March 9, if not March 10. And if we want to win, we win today in Washington by 240, and we make sure that we win Castine on March 3, and win the total post 2/11 not including Washington. On March 10, the GOP will vote on which set of votes they'll take. 1) Including Washington 2) Including Washington Plus other post 2/11. To win, for sure, we'd have to win both Washington by 240 and break even with the other post 2/11

[ssjevot]

If it makes the GOP crap their pants and kick themselves for what they've done to Ron Paul this cycle, so be it.

Yeah, if Paul isn't the nominee this is exactly what we want to have happen. I'm not saying we should vote for Obama, but certainly don't vote for the GOP candidate, vote 3rd party and let the GOP know it really was NOBP and they lost your vote.

[carterm]

a reminder, we need a 210 gain in this final two caucuses

[Darthbrooklyn]

Im writing in RP.. I dont give a fuck... The GOP will learn the hard way

[pauliticalfan]

a reminder, we need a 210 gain in this final two caucuses

What's the second caucus besides Washington? What time does it start, and how many people total are expected to show up?

[ssjevot]

Im writing in RP.. I dont give a fuck... The GOP will learn the hard way

Write-ins aren't usually counted and don't get much notice from parties. A 3rd party vote is a much more tangible loss to the GOP because it gets counted and gives them a percentage they can identify as having abandoned their party to vote 3rd party.

[FriedChicken]

The GOP really doesn't mind Obama winning, it will just ensure that they'll win in 2016 and he seems to be serving their interests just fine (war, the fed, patriot act, assassinations, detention w/o trial, inflation, etc)

If the GOP hates Obama so much, why do they want to replace him with a clone?

[wstrucke]

Im writing in RP.. I dont give a fuck... The GOP will learn the hard way

No... the people with the money who are controlling this chess game don't care. They don't care if it's Romney or Obama, so long as they hold all the cards it doesn't matter. No one will "learn". This is truly a fight for our freedom and we're losing.

[sailingaway]

Write-ins aren't usually counted and don't get much notice from parties. A 3rd party vote is a much more tangible loss to the GOP because it gets counted and gives them a percentage they can identify as having abandoned their party to vote 3rd party.

lots of places write ins are counted. But in any event with the delegates Ron has and upcoming states, it is no time to be focusing on back up plans.

[Darthbrooklyn]

Write-ins aren't usually counted and don't get much notice from parties. A 3rd party vote is a much more tangible loss to the GOP because it gets counted and gives them a percentage they can identify as having abandoned their party to vote 3rd party.

If Ron doesnt run 3rd party, a write in is the next best option.. And im sure the GOP would be interested in exactly how many votes they lost by treating Ron like sh**, especially when they get mollywopped by Obama..

[GregVernon]

Has anyone seen results or is there a time we can expect them?

[seawolf]

We needed a win before March 6th, that is the problem.....March 10th is too late!!! Almost half of the nation will have voted by then.

That is why winning Maine this week was soooo important, if not for anything else to get Ron just one State Win under his belt before Super Tuesday.

Perception is extremely important......it certainly is in the RP Nation, just look at the total donations thus far for the NOPB Money Bomb versus the Campaign Goal. Enough said....

[sailingaway]

But the grassroots had a few hundred of their own confirmed supporters identified on top of what the campaign had. If turnout is truly only 200-250, this represents a massive failure of supporters to follow through on what they promised just hours ago.

I'm pretty sure there was cross over, don't you think? If not.... I don't know the vote turn out rate for other candidates, so I can't say.

[CTRattlesnake]

We needed a win before March 6th, that is the problem.....March 10th is too late!!! Almost half of the nation will have voted by then.

That is why winning Maine this week was soooo important, if not for anything else to get Ron just one State Win under his belt before Super Tuesday.

Perception is extremely important......it certainly is in the RP Nation, just look at the total donations thus far for the NOPB Money Bomb versus the Campaign Goal. Enough said....

Washington Caucus

March 3rd

[pauliticalfan]

BDNPolitics: It's standing room only in the Washington Academy gymnasium as Washington County Republicans are hold their county-wide caucus #mepolitics

[ssjevot]

If Ron doesnt run 3rd party, a write in is the next best option.. And im sure the GOP would be interested in exactly how many votes they lost by treating Ron like sh**, especially when they get mollywopped by Obama..

If your state counts write-ins sure, but not all of them do. A third party vote is a large voting block that is represented in all states and you know it will be counted. Write-in is definitely not the best option. It also makes us look like a cult of personality and not a voting block. We should rally behind a 3rd party liberty candidate, because we won't have Ron Paul in 2016 and we want to show that this is a block of voters that can be won over with the right message, not a movement that will disappear once Ron isn't running anymore.

[pauliticalfan]

BDNPolitics: More than 300 registered Republicans are gathered in East Machias. #mepolitics

Is East Machias the same as Washington County????

What's going on here????

[sailingaway]

We needed a win before March 6th, that is the problem.....March 10th is too late!!! Almost half of the nation will have voted by then.

That is why winning Maine this week was soooo important, if not for anything else to get Ron just one State Win under his belt before Super Tuesday.

Perception is extremely important......it certainly is in the RP Nation, just look at the total donations thus far for the NOPB Money Bomb versus the Campaign Goal. Enough said....

Yes it is important but there are 617 delegates, I think, up between now and March 10. We can't let stewing over this one keep us from maximizing the next one.

[ssjevot]

Washington Caucus

March 3rd

Yeah, we're going to do well here in Washington. If half the people who showed up at rallies this week vote and the turnout is the same as 2008, Paul will win.

[CTRattlesnake]

BDNPolitics More than 300 registered Republicans are gathered in East Machias. #mepolitics


Need more people

[WD-NY]

so not enough people showed up eh?

[pauliticalfan]

Shit, looks like East Machias in in Washington....

300 people???

UGH.

[sailingaway]

BDNPolitics: More than 300 registered Republicans are gathered in East Machias. #mepolitics

Is East Machias the same as Washington County????

What's going on here????

yes it is in Washington county, but I'm sure ours aren't the only bolstered groups -- still that is a much more hopeful sign!

[No Free Beer]

When will all the official numbers come in?

Well, I mean actual numbers?

Official can take weeks.

[Scott_in_PA]

BDNPolitics More than 300 registered Republicans are gathered in East Machias. #mepolitics
2 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite

[RonPaul101.com]

This 208 vote deficit, does that include correcting the towns that the Maine GOP is currently missing? Waldo County, etc.?

I'm just wondering if we pick up 170 in Washington county does that mean we've lost or that it could still go either way? I don't trust the Maine GOP to correctly count the votes they didn't count at all the first time though...

[carterm]

someone with twitter want to ask http://twitter.com/#!/BDNPolitics about the other hancock caucus? that should be done soon

[pauliticalfan]

BDNPolitics: The entrance to the school is clogged with dozens of sign-waving supporters for all four GOP presidential hopefuls #mepolitics

All four, wow....

Those Santorum and Gingrich supporters should be dropping their signs and picking up Ron Paul ones. If they don't vote for Ron Paul in Maine, they are kissing their candidate's chances of winning the nomination away. STUPID, STUPID PEOPLE.

[sailingaway]

Shit, looks like East Machias in in Washington....

300 people???

UGH.

It will depend on who turned out. If Santorum voters turned out as they usually would, in other words similar to last time, and we and Romney are splitting the rest.... It might get us close enough that the uncertainty of the Friday 'recount' comes into play.

[carterm]

This 208 vote deficit, does that include correcting the towns that the Maine GOP is currently missing? Waldo County, etc.?

I'm just wondering if we pick up 170 in Washington county does that mean we've lost or that it could still go either way? I don't trust the Maine GOP to correctly count the votes they didn't count at all the first time though...

yes, the jury is still out on whether these "new" numbers are clean, but this is the most up-to-date total we have.

[sailingaway]

BDNPolitics: The entrance to the school is clogged with dozens of sign-waving supporters for all four GOP presidential hopefuls #mepolitics

All four, wow....

Those Santorum and Gingrich supporters should be dropping their signs and picking up Ron Paul ones. If they don't vote for Ron Paul in Maine, they are kissing their candidate's chances of winning the nomination away. STUPID, STUPID PEOPLE.

No, that is what I was afraid of, they are all turning out to try to make this the real thing. They were handing out flyers at stores to drive more votes generally.

I'm sure they wanted us to regret ever questioning their wrong numbers. The voters are just standing for their guys, though. I'll check back for the result. Watching it happen isn't pleasant.

[rp08orbust]

I'm pretty sure there was cross over, don't you think? If not.... I don't know the vote turn out rate for other candidates, so I can't say.

The grassroots had 600 supporters identified with 250 hard confirmations of intention to vote and a lot of maybes. There was some overlap with people already contacted by the campaign, but we found a ton of new supporters, especially with calls to cell phones. I'd say anything less than 300 votes for Ron Paul is a disappointment.

[CTRattlesnake]

The grassroots had 600 supporters identified with 250 hard confirmations of intention to vote and a lot of maybes. There was some overlap with people already contacted by the campaign, but we found a ton of new supporters, especially with calls to cell phones. I'd say anything less than 300 votes for Ron Paul is a disappointment.

Considering that they're only 300 people there now...get ready for disappointment

[pauliticalfan]

GarrettQuinn: Paul probably needs 215 or so to win. Looks like 300 or so GOPers here #MECaucus

I guess our only chance is to get Santorum/Gingrich supporters to make a TACTICAL VOTE.

If you're supporting Santorum or Gingrich in the first place, I highly doubt you're capable of making a tactical vote.

[carterm]

really hoping there's 450 people there and people just can't count.

[pauliticalfan]

really hoping there's 450 people there and people just can't count.

We already know people can't count. Sadly, their not being able to count always hurts us.

[rp08orbust]

It may come down to how persuasive the "tactical vote" caucus speechs are with Santorum supporters.

[CTRattlesnake]

It may come down to how persuasive the "tactical vote" caucus speechs are with Santorum supporters.


I wouldnt expect much logic from santorum people

[pauliticalfan]

Alright, just announce the results so I can go get some lunch.

[cornell]

Did the word get out to potential speech-makers at the Caucus to stress a tactical vote against Romney?

[RonPaul101.com]

yes, the jury is still out on whether these "new" numbers are clean, but this is the most up-to-date total we have.

Makes sense, I just remember reading that the Paul camp believed based on the WTV that they were down about 140 going into today. Again, this is anything but solid confirmation. Frankly, I don;t trust the Maine GOP either way really. If Paul gets ahead today even without the corrections/full counts, it's not impossible that Webster won't find more "errors" that help Romney, and if we are still down a couple of dozen votes today it's not impossible that we could still win if the vote is truly clean.

Sadly in this country, American Idol has their vote conducted by a private certified actuarial firm, while the Maine GOP who could be deciding the next President uses Romney supporters to "count" the votes fairly.

[sailingaway]

Makes sense, I just remember reading that the Paul camp believed based on the WTV that they were down about 140 going into today. Again, this is anything but solid confirmation. Frankly, I don;t trust the Maine GOP either way really. If Paul gets ahead today even without the corrections/full counts, it's not impossible that Webster won't find more "errors" that help Romney, and if we are still down a couple of dozen votes today it's not impossible that we could still win if the vote is truly clean.

Sadly in this country, American Idol has their vote conducted by a private certified actuarial firm, while the Maine GOP who could be deciding the next President uses Romney supporters to "count" the votes fairly.

given they threw away the ballots, per Webster, and all vote numbers are completely whatever he writes down, it is a bit hard to see this one going our way. We know what NOT to allow in future caucuses -- private vote reporting.

[parocks]

Parocks I think I have seen you visit that google document (where we collected info about possible Ron voters).

Did you make any calls?What is your expectation based on those calls?

No, I didn't make calls. I added the phone numbers. I ran facebook ads. They're still running actually, when I hear they've broken off into towns, I'll stop em.

Campaign Reach?
2,720
Frequency?
24.0

I hit 2720 males 17-44 an average of 24 times. Cost almost nothing.

I've also been asking people, offering $100 to rent out 2 tables in a restaurant to use as a grassroots HQ for extra GOTV.

Neither the official campaign or the grassroots has any interest in getting our base to the polls. If an 18 year old male likes Ron Paul, we'll call his grandma on the phone.

The heart of our GOTV system is lists that 18 year old males aren't on. The 18 year old male is never told anything by anybody about when and where the election is. How to register, anything like that. Completely ignored. We send superbrochures to supervoters. "Because they vote" But they might be voting because they're bugged all the time, get mail they throw away. Does the 18 year old get any reminders? NO. We just whine because they don't show up.

It's hard, I know. We need to solve this problem (the fact that we don't do any Extra GOTV) if we're going actually win votes, instead of just delegates.

[Lightweis]

update?

[sailingaway]

No, I didn't make calls. I added the phone numbers. I ran facebook ads. They're still running actually, when I hear they've broken off into towns, I'll stop em.

Campaign Reach?
2,720
Frequency?
24.0

I hit 2720 males 17-44 an average of 24 times. Cost almost nothing.

I've also been asking people, offering $100 to rent out 2 tables in a restaurant to use as a grassroots HQ for extra GOTV.

Neither the official campaign or the grassroots has any interest in getting our base to the polls. If an 18 year old male likes Ron Paul, we'll call his grandma on the phone.

The heart of our GOTV system is lists that 18 year old males aren't on. The 18 year old male is never told anything by anybody about when and where the election is. How to register, anything like that. Completely ignored. We send superbrochures to supervoters. "Because they vote" But they might be voting because they're bugged all the time, get mail they throw away. Does the 18 year old get any reminders? NO. We just whine because they don't show up.

It's hard, I know. We need to solve this problem (the fact that we don't do any Extra GOTV) if we're going actually win votes, instead of just delegates.

I think there is something to be said for the fact that OUR base isn't plugged the same way others are. We seem overly represented on cell phones, too. We may well need a different sort of GOTV.

Ron is speaking right at the delegate selection meetings in two instances in North Dakota. He has given caucus speeches. I think the campaign is trying to adapt to this.

[kill the banks]

I think there is something to be said for the fact that OUR base isn't plugged the same way others are. We seem overly represented on cell phones, too. We may well need a different sort of GOTV.

Ron is speaking right at the delegate selection meetings in two instances in North Dakota. He has given caucus speeches. I think the campaign is trying to adapt to this.

good

[GregVernon]

@BDNPolitics says results should be known around 5-ish.

[pauliticalfan]

BDNPolitics: RE: Count at the caucus in Hancock: 135 is a solid estimate of the initial number in the room. Not all stayed for the vote. #mepolitics

WTF?

[wstrucke]

No, I didn't make calls. I added the phone numbers. I ran facebook ads. They're still running actually, when I hear they've broken off into towns, I'll stop em.

Campaign Reach?
2,720
Frequency?
24.0

I hit 2720 males 17-44 an average of 24 times. Cost almost nothing.

I've also been asking people, offering $100 to rent out 2 tables in a restaurant to use as a grassroots HQ for extra GOTV.

Neither the official campaign or the grassroots has any interest in getting our base to the polls. If an 18 year old male likes Ron Paul, we'll call his grandma on the phone.

The heart of our GOTV system is lists that 18 year old males aren't on. The 18 year old male is never told anything by anybody about when and where the election is. How to register, anything like that. Completely ignored. We send superbrochures to supervoters. "Because they vote" But they might be voting because they're bugged all the time, get mail they throw away. Does the 18 year old get any reminders? NO. We just whine because they don't show up.

It's hard, I know. We need to solve this problem (the fact that we don't do any Extra GOTV) if we're going actually win votes, instead of just delegates.

Interesting. Would it be possibly to get a list of all males between 18 and 24 or something in certain areas to send targeted advertising to?

[pauliticalfan]

@BDNPolitics says results should be known around 5-ish.

In Washington? Geez.

[CTRattlesnake]

BDNPolitics: RE: Count at the caucus in Hancock: 135 is a solid estimate of the initial number in the room. Not all stayed for the vote. #mepolitics

WTF?

Yeah, that makes no sense?

WHy would you go to a caucus, and then leave before the vote?

[sailingaway]

I received this response to this tweet I sent:

sailing @usernamenuse
@BDNPolitics Have all the Hancock County caucuses been held? What was the result of the last one there, do you know?

BDN Maine Politics @BDNPolitics
@usernamenuse Still waiting on results from the caucus in Eastbrook, which comprises six towns in Hancock County #mepolitics
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[parocks]

given they threw away the ballots, per Webster, and all vote numbers are completely whatever he writes down, it is a bit hard to see this one going our way. We know what NOT to allow in future caucuses -- private vote reporting.

Well, on Feb 4, we passed this motion in my town, which kept a permanent record in the town, and sent a copy to the county. That way there would be records, and they couldn't play games. The flyer was all over my county. I personally introduced the motion in my town. And the .pdf is on my website http://parocks.com/ronpaul/motions4up2.pdf (small file - lo res) and http://parocks.com/ronpaul/motions4up.pdf (large file -hi res) . I didn't invent this motion, it was Cynthia Rosen's (I think), I suggested distributing this motion in typed form on the internet, and we liked that idea. I assume the campaign distributed it the next weekend, so I assume that there are records on file pretty much everywhere we had an informed presence.

[WD-NY]

are there really no RPF members at any of these Maine caucuses today??

[rp08orbust]

BDNPolitics: RE: Count at the caucus in Hancock: 135 is a solid estimate of the initial number in the room. Not all stayed for the vote. #mepolitics

WTF?

Yeah, WTF. I know most don't stick around for delegate selection, but not even bothering to vote in the straw poll is complete WTF, unless they were turned away for being ineligible.

[sailingaway]

Well, on Feb 4, we passed this motion in my town, which kept a permanent record in the town, and sent a copy to the county. That way there would be records, and they couldn't play games. The flyer was all over my county. I personally introduced the motion in my town. And the .pdf is on my website http://parocks.com/ronpaul/motions4up2.pdf (small file - lo res) and http://parocks.com/ronpaul/motions4up.pdf (large file -hi res) . I didn't invent this motion, it was Cynthia Rosen's (I think), I suggested distributing this motion in typed form on the internet, and we liked that idea. I assume the campaign distributed it the next weekend, so I assume that there are records on file pretty much everywhere we had an informed presence.

I am copying this post for the campaign suggestion box, just in case

[TheGrinch]

Yeah, WTF. I know most don't stick around for delegate selection, but not even bothering to vote in the straw poll is complete WTF, unless they were turned away for being ineligible.

That would be my only worry... Otherwise I couldn't imagine RP supporters coming and not voting, so if they were all allowed, one would think it's far more likely supporters of the other candidates.

[JJ2]

@BDNPolitics says results should be known around 5-ish.

It takes 3 1/2 hours????

[neverseen]

Ben Swann WXIX
Photo from 1 caucus today in Washington County... I am told 60 to 70 percent are Paul supporters http://t.co/2p2TWsvn


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[sailingaway]

Ben Swann @Fox19BenSwann
Photo from 1 caucus today in Washington County... I am told 60 to 70 percent are Paul supporters twitpic.com/8lnhow

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[sailingaway]

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lol! shows me for taking time to thank him before posting!

[Lightweis]

so whats going to happen??? :eek:

[rp08orbust]

Ben Swann @Fox19BenSwann
Photo from 1 caucus today in Washington County... I am told 60 to 70 percent are Paul supporters twitpic.com/8lnhow

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60% * 300 = 180. It looks like it could be close enough that Webster will be able to fudge the result he wants.

[jcarcinogen]

Are they going to throw away the ballots this time too?

[carterm]

.7 x 300 = 210 votes. if we get the tactical vote maybe .8 x 300 = 240 votes? (this would not be enough to offset romney's numbers)

We need to hope there are more than 300 people there.

[sailingaway]

60% * 300 = 180. It looks like it could be close enough that Webster will be able to fudge the result he wants.

If we get that much I'm calling it a win, but if it is really only 135 there as some say.....

Honestly, if it falls in the 'fudge factor' I will believe it is ours. We just have to have preserved vote tallies going forward.

[carterm]

If we get that much I'm calling it a win, but if it is really only 135 there as some say.....

Honestly, if it falls in the 'fudge factor' I will believe it is ours. We just have to have preserved vote tallies going forward.

135 was a different caucus.

[rp08orbust]

If we get that much I'm calling it a win, but if it is really only 135 there as some say.....

The only "135" figure I've seen is in reference to the total number of attendees at the morning Hancock caucus. I don't think there's been an estimate of RP supporters present in Washington yet.

[CTRattlesnake]

If we have 65% support, we need to hope that turnout is more than 300 people, or that the remaining 35% are mostly santorum voters

[justatrey]

Wait didn't we hear that there are over 300 there? So I'll be optimistic and say there's 350. I'll also be optimistic and say 70% are for Paul. 350 * .7 = 245.

But, then you have to subtract the Romney votes...

[rp08orbust]

Wait didn't we hear that there are over 300 there? So I'll be optimistic and say there's 350. I'll also be optimistic and say 70% are for Paul. 350 * .7 = 245.

But, then you have to subtract the Romney votes...

But there's the x factor (the Santorum supporters persuaded by caucus speeches). Does anyone present know if there have been any speeches urging them to vote for Ron Paul yet?

Santorum had double the support of Romney in my cell phone robopolling. So if Santorum and Romney are sharing the remaining 30%, that means Romney gets 10%, or 35.

[carterm]

350 people

this result would give these numbers
65% Paul = 228
19% Santorum
13% Romney = 46
8% Gingrich


that would bring our deficit to 48. (THESE ARE NOT REAL NUMBERS. just trying to understand the situation)

[zeloc]

Will the results be announced tonight?

I know the Republican party of Iowa is going to decide on March 10 whether to includes the results in the final tally, but it doesn't really matter what they decide because we have the Internet... I'm assuming there will be some reporters present who can find out what the results are.

[JJ2]

Wait didn't we hear that there are over 300 there? So I'll be optimistic and say there's 350. I'll also be optimistic and say 70% are for Paul. 350 * .7 = 245.

But, then you have to subtract the Romney votes...

We still are waiting for the Eastbrook (Hancock County) results.

[CTRattlesnake]

So far:

Ron +27 on the day.


Deficit is 208

[MisterTickle]

We still are waiting for the Eastbrook (Hancock County) results.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?361788-Ron-Paul-scores-win-in-Hancock-Washington-County-voting-as-state-nears-end-of-GOP-caucuse

Good News ^^