Ron Paul Draws More Than 2,000 Voters to Moscow, Idaho—Doubling Expectations (Picture)

[sailingaway]

Capacity-crowd of 1,200 attend rally inside University of Idaho Student Union Ballroom, plus hundreds more in overflow areas and outside

http://wetheconservatives.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/MoscowIdaho1_500x371_.jpg

http://wetheconservatives.com/ron-paul-draws-more-than-2000-voters-to-moscow-idaho%E2%80%94doubling-expectations/

I put a slide show up of this, earlier.

[socal]

Don't you think the campaign should change their calendar so that when you click on an event that's already happened, a YouTube video comes up instead of a map ? That way there would be one place where people could go to see various speeches. People here seem to think they are all the same, but I don't agree. For example, listening to the one at Seattle airport yest at 7:30PM was one of the best, and that would be one I'd use if I was trying to recruit someone.

Having the videos easily accessible in calendar format would make them easy to find for supporters to recommend, and for undecideds to browse through.

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/category/events/2012-02

[sailingaway]

I do like that but right now they don't even have all of their UPCOMING events on there, like tomorrow's, so I'd start with those....

[timreichstein]

That's a huge turnout - nice!

[Anti Federalist]

For years now, this has been the norm: overflow crowds, huge crowds, sold out events, blow out straw polls...on and on.

But here we are, in last place.

Clearly those who vote for the establishment don't bother to turn out for "their guys".

[sailingaway]

And here is a slide show to go with it! 24 pictures!!

Ron Paul Visits Moscow

http://lmtribune.com/gallery/news/collection_15dc7c38-59e5-11e1-b0d5-0012793a74ab.html

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/lmtribune.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/a/25/a251e386-17f0-520c-ad84-e4b11c0154b3/4f3f2258b1d19.image.jpg

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/lmtribune.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/a6/8a6bcdb9-810d-5fbe-9bbb-82eac553c6de/4f3f225d5a59e.image.jpg

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/lmtribune.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/06/b06d4494-c527-5389-a838-eb5844bac7bd/4f3f225e9a4e2.image.jpg

more at link

[timreichstein]

Hopefully the grassroots effort is there to get the students to turnout to vote.

[sailingaway]

For years now, this has been the norm: overflow crowds, huge crowds, sold out events, blow out straw polls...on and on.

But here we are, in last place.

Clearly those who vote for the establishment don't bother to turn out for "their guys".

well, second in Maine (with first not yet forclosed), second in Minnesota, second in New Hampshire....

Not where we want to be, but people will come to listen to Ron and no one really cares what these other guys say.

[Endthefednow]

Keep moving people nothing to see here Ron will not win any state as per the GOP :mad:

[kill the banks]

we have to change some of the voting process as we take over the GOP

[Indy Vidual]

Don't you think the campaign should change their calendar so that when you click on an event that's already happened, a YouTube video comes up instead of a map ? That way there would be one place where people could go to see various speeches. People here seem to think they are all the same, but I don't agree. For example, listening to the one at Seattle airport yest at 7:30PM was one of the best, and that would be one I'd use if I was trying to recruit someone.

Having the videos easily accessible in calendar format would make them easy to find for supporters to recommend, and for undecideds to browse through.

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/category/events/2012-02

+10 great idea

[PatriotOne]

So this is what college students do on a Friday night these days. lol

I'm checking around for the Spokane event that started at 7 p tonight. So far I see a tweet from someone estimating 2500 people there.

[Anti Federalist]

well, second in Maine (with first not yet forclosed), second in Minnesota, second in New Hampshire....

Not where we want to be, but people will come to listen to Ron and no one really cares what these other guys say.

No doubt, I was thinking overall, delegate count.

[PatriotOne]

And here is a slide show to go with it! 24 pictures!!

Ron Paul Visits Moscow

http://lmtribune.com/gallery/news/collection_15dc7c38-59e5-11e1-b0d5-0012793a74ab.html

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/lmtribune.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/a/25/a251e386-17f0-520c-ad84-e4b11c0154b3/4f3f2258b1d19.image.jpg

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/lmtribune.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/a6/8a6bcdb9-810d-5fbe-9bbb-82eac553c6de/4f3f225d5a59e.image.jpg

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/lmtribune.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/06/b06d4494-c527-5389-a838-eb5844bac7bd/4f3f225e9a4e2.image.jpg

more at link

Dang! That's a lot of domestic terrorists in one place.

[sailingaway]

No doubt, I was thinking overall, delegate count.

Well, we are nothing like last in delegate count. Santorum sure had no ground game to pick up delegates in the caucus states where they weren't bound.

[ryanmkeisling]

Keep moving people nothing to see here Ron will not win any state as per the GOP :mad:

They are definitely cheating, this Maine recount proves it. This and these large crowds are also not turning into wins. The machine is very powerful.

[sailingaway]

Dang! That's a lot of domestic terrorists in one place.


Makes me want to move to Washington!

[socal]

RP needs to modify his speech in front of college crowds, and have a 5 minute lecture near the end explaining the importance of voting.

[sailingaway]

RP needs to modify his speech in front of college crowds, and have a 5 minute lecture near the end explaining the importance of voting.

I heard an introduction in Moscow by a Youth for Ron Paul guy that definitely hit on that, and Ron did in his speech in Twin Falls. I haven't heard all his speeches. I understand the one in Seattle was particularly good, so I am going to have to listen to that one.

[kill the banks]

those are "dangerous" pictures alright

[kill the banks]

RP needs to modify his speech in front of college crowds, and have a 5 minute lecture near the end explaining the importance of voting.

that's a damn good idea

[Anti Federalist]

Well, we are nothing like last in delegate count. Santorum sure had no ground game to pick up delegates in the caucus states where they weren't bound.

As of today:

Romney - 105
Santorum - 71
Gingrich - 29
Paul - 18

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/delegates

What am I missing here?

I certainly hope it's not some fantasy like the one that ran around in 2008 about how "we" were going to take over the delegates and nominate RP at the convention, regardless of the voting or caucus results.

[MaxPower]

I passed out hundreds of flyers for this event yesterday, and was there as a volunteer today, helping shepherd people in at the door and hand out buttons, stickers and literature. While I was there, this happened:
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/430132_373997795944263_100000021364934_1492018_170 6869053_n.jpg

I also made it into two of the photos linked to in this thread:
http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/lmtribune.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/a6/8a6bcdb9-810d-5fbe-9bbb-82eac553c6de/4f3f225d5a59e.image.jpg
http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/lmtribune.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/c/11/c11aef9a-2a8c-5ee4-91ac-99919b15ed20/4f3f22615dfb0.image.jpg

I am so profoundly proud to have contributed to this event.

[MaxPower]

Makes me want to move to Washington!
Hey, hey, hey, now- Moscow is in Idaho, and I'll have you remember it.

[sailingaway]

As of today:

Romney - 105
Santorum - 71
Gingrich - 29
Paul - 18

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/delegates

What am I missing here?

I certainly hope it's not some fantasy like the one that ran around in 2008 about how "we" were going to take over the delegates and nominate RP at the convention, regardless of the voting or caucus results.

the fantasy is what is in the NY times. Where did Santorum get those delegates? Because except for Nevada he has NONE awarded yet. All the others are a process to be awarded later. And yeah, we will have a bunch. It wasn't so much a fantasy last time as we didn't have critical mass. In some states we still won't and will ultimately be squeezed. But in Maine and Minn the campaign expects to have most of the delegates, and in Iowa we may. And that is the campaign saying it, not ninja dreamers.

[MaxPower]

Dr. Paul seemed extremely well-received, and when his speech was done, we had hordes of people seemingly ready and willing to vote for Ron Paul who were signing up to vote Republican in the March 6th caucus at the tables we had set up for that purpose; I surely hope we succeeded in persuading a lot of people to get out there for the actual vote.

[sailingaway]

Here is greenpapers's estimate, but they are ALL estimates. This is just to show you the one you saw has no magic to it. It is a process: http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/R that says Ron has 8 hard and 35 'soft' delegates

[Anti Federalist]

the fantasy is what is in the NY times. Where did Santorum get those delegates? Because except for Nevada he has NONE awarded yet. All the others are a process to be awarded later. And yeah, we will have a bunch. It wasn't so much a fantasy last time as we didn't have critical mass. In some states we still won't and will ultimately be squeezed. But in Maine and Minn the campaign expects to have most of the delegates, and in Iowa we may. And that is the campaign saying it, not ninja dreamers.

Sooo, let me see if I have this right:

The delegates are going to go against what the caucus voters voted for and award themselves to RP?

[sailingaway]

Hey, hey, hey, now- Moscow is in Idaho, and I'll have you remember it.

fine, I'll move to Idaho, near Washington....

[Anti Federalist]

Here is greenpapers's estimate, but they are ALL estimates. This is just to show you the one you saw has no magic to it. It is a process: http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/R that says Ron has 8 hard and 35 'soft' delegates

Right, I recall all this from 2008, and in the end, the delegates voted for McPain, in the exact numbers that everybody said they would.

Just like the opinion polls were not fantasy either, the vote totals reflected very closely what the opinion polls said they would.

[sailingaway]

Sooo, let me see if I have this right:

The delegates are going to go against what the caucus voters voted for and award themselves to RP?

IF the state has it set up so delegates are unbound, yes. That is how the party controls the process and still has super delegates and why in states where we don't have controlling numbers of delegates we may end up squeezed out despite how THOSE states voted, as well, as happened in Nevada.

If the state binds delegates as NH and NV do, then those rules will be followed. But IF they are later unbound because the party wants all of Gingrich and Santorum's folks to vote for Romney, for example, or for everyone to vote for Jeb Bush at a brokered convention, then even those will be unbound to vote for whomever they want.

[sailingaway]

Right, I recall all this from 2008, and in the end, the delegates voted for McPain, in the exact numbers that everybody said they would.

Just like the opinion polls were not fantasy either, the vote totals reflected very closely what the opinion polls said they would.

The nevada delegates didn't vote for McCain, the party turned off the lights and fled and appointed them by conference call. If that happens in 10 states, at least the machine will be thoroughly exposed, which isn't the worst booby prize, I suppose.

Last time Ron simply had too few. If he doesn't have a majority at the state convention... there is a lot of leeway to play games against him. Last time only in Nevada did he have a majority at the state convention, if I recall, one way and another.

But truly, anyone will tell you the NY Times one is just wrong. And this time lots of 'powers that be' WANT a brokered convention, so who knows?

I don't think Ron can win without winning states, ultimately, but I think we get as many delegates as we can, and go from there. After Super Tuesday we may have to reassess, but not yet, I don't think. It depends on how effective Romney's ads are against Santorum.

[Anti Federalist]

IF the state has it set up so delegates are unbound, yes. That is how the party controls the process and still has super delegates and why in states where we don't have controlling numbers of delegates we may end up squeezed out despite how THOSE states voted, as well, as happened in Nevada.

If the state binds delegates as NH and NV do, then those rules will be followed. But IF they are later unbound because the party wants all of Gingrich and Santorum's folks to vote for Romney, for example, or for everyone to vote for Jeb Bush at a brokered convention, then even those will be unbound to vote for whomever they want.

OK, so we're hoping that, in a brokered convention, we will have enough RP in place once the delegates are "unbound" that they will nominate RP?

You do realize what the odds of that happening and the GOP party apparatus allowing that to happen are, don't you?

And that doesn't change the fact that, regardless of whether they are "officially" assigned yet or not, we are presumptively in last place as things stand right now in the delegate count.

[sailingaway]

OK, so we're hoping that, in a brokered convention, we will have enough RP in place once the delegates are "unbound" that they will nominate RP?

You do realize what the odds of that happening and the GOP party apparatus allowing that to happen are, don't you?

And that doesn't change the fact that, regardless of whether they are "officially" assigned yet or not, we are presumptively in last place as things stand right now in the delegate count.

presumptively meaning according to the AP you quote? Yeah. Not according to the NPR's count, where they only count 'hard' pledged delegates awarded through the vote. There we are ahead of Santorum. But I'm not saying we are 'in good position', I'm saying we aren't dead yet.

IF Ron starts winning states, the delegates we have will amplify those wins beyond what is apparent in the NY Times count.

[Anti Federalist]

The nevada delegates didn't vote for McCain, the party turned off the lights and fled and appointed them by conference call. If that happens in 10 states, at least the machine will be thoroughly exposed, which isn't the worst booby prize, I suppose.

Last time Ron simply had too few. If he doesn't have a majority at the state convention... there is a lot of leeway to play games against him. Last time only in Nevada did he have a majority at the state convention, if I recall, one way and another.

But truly, anyone will tell you the NY Times one is just wrong. And this time lots of 'powers that be' WANT a brokered convention, so who knows?

I don't think Ron can win without winning states, ultimately, but I think we get as many delegates as we can, and go from there. After Super Tuesday we may have to reassess, but not yet, I don't think. It depends on how effective Romney's ads are against Santorum.

The powers that be may very well want a brokered convention.

They do not want that in order to nominate RP.

CNN's delegate count, while different than the NYT's, also has us in last place.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2012/calculator/

So does CBS

http://www.cbsnews.com/primary-election-results-2012/scorecard.shtml?party=R

So does RCP

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/republican_delegate_count.html



I'm not trying to be pissy here, but I'm just wondering how to square what appears to be hard facts with flowery optimism that burned so many of us last time around.

Also trying to prove the point once again that, while we may be vocal and active, we are a very small minority and that most people do not want freedom.

That is an issue that will have to be addressed.

[WD-NY]

Don't you think the campaign should change their calendar so that when you click on an event that's already happened, a YouTube video comes up instead of a map ? That way there would be one place where people could go to see various speeches. People here seem to think they are all the same, but I don't agree. For example, listening to the one at Seattle airport yest at 7:30PM was one of the best, and that would be one I'd use if I was trying to recruit someone.

Having the videos easily accessible in calendar format would make them easy to find for supporters to recommend, and for undecideds to browse through.

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/category/events/2012-02

Not only is this a fantastic suggestion, its easy-to-implement as well!!

These photos and videos of the rallies are *seriously helpful* to all the people trying to convince on-the-fence supporters to get on board 100%

Social Proof = priceless

[sailingaway]

The powers taht be may very well want a brokered convention.

They do not want that in order to nominate RP.

CNN's delegate count, while different than the NYT's, also has us in last place.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2012/calculator/

I'm not trying to be pissy here, but I'm just wondering how to square what appears to be hard facts with flowery optimism that burned so many of us last time around.

Also trying to prove the point once again that, while we may be vocal and active, we are a very small minority and that most people do not want freedom.

That is issue that will have to be addressed.

last time was not something I bought into in the sense of Ron winning. I did hope he might get nominated on the floor and able to give a speech, until Nevada completely disenfranchised their state and appointed delegates by conference call. This is more solid. It is still CHANCY, but if we lose, we still might get something - audit the fed, reverse NDAA... and at this point we still have a decent chance at winning, but only, imho if we can pull out a win or so soon. Look at the greenpapers count I posted. Most politicos seem to think that is the best. Like open secrets it is non partisan and dedicated to informing voters. We are last there as well, but not hopelessly. And RON thinks he is doing better than that. I'm not listening to Wead, I'm listening to Ron.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/R

[Anti Federalist]

presumptively meaning according to the AP you quote? Yeah. Not according to the NPR's count, where they only count 'hard' pledged delegates awarded through the vote. There we are ahead of Santorum. But I'm not saying we are 'in good position', I'm saying we aren't dead yet.

IF Ron starts winning states, the delegates we have will amplify those wins beyond what is apparent in the NY Times count.

Well, true, but, c'mon.

Mitt Romney 73
Newt Gingrich 29
Ron Paul 8
Rick Santorum 3

[sailingaway]

Well, true, but, c'mon.

Mitt Romney 73
Newt Gingrich 29
Ron Paul 8
Rick Santorum 3

and then look at the soft total column for those NOT awarded yet and figure out how many you think Santorum was in a position to pick up in Colorado and Iowa and Minnesota.

I'm not stringing you along. I went through the calculations myself and see it as still doable but realistically only if something happens, none of which in themselves is really 'likely'. For example, Romney's ads could damage Santorum who is essentially unvetted, without making Romney any more likable to the base. And or (and unfortunately at this point I don't consider it likely, after the 'new' Maine numbers today) Ron could end up winning Maine, then have a good debate.

I do think it is worth it to push for delegates even if we are pushing for leverage and positions to keep this crap from happening in the future, though. One person had speculated that he thought Ron wanted to 'run the opposition -- from INSIDE the GOP.' I want Ron to be president, but if he can't be, opposition leader isn't the worst thing, and I want it. Or whatever he can get. I'm trusting it will be concrete and substantive.

But at this point I haven't yet given up on a win.

[carterm]

tell these a-holes to vote! (jk but srsly lol w/e)

[kathy88]

Dr. Paul seemed extremely well-received, and when his speech was done, we had hordes of people seemingly ready and willing to vote for Ron Paul who were signing up to vote Republican in the March 6th caucus at the tables we had set up for that purpose; I surely hope we succeeded in persuading a lot of people to get out there for the actual vote.

Any estimates number-wise?

[Paul Or Nothing II]

I'm not trying to be pissy here,

Sorry but you ARE & there seem to be enough such folks around here wanting to kill the movement with their negativity, I don't know why people are so hellbent on losing, may be they should raise the white-flag & go away so that those who are not quitters, can go ahead & keep fighting :mad:

If someone thinks that "powers" can't be beaten then they might as well lay down their weapons & wait for them to get slaughtered but they shouldn't try to bring down those who want to fight! Majority were sheep since the time of Founders, nothing has changed & never will, Founders were going up against the most powerful Empire in history but they didn't flinch like some people here are so if quitters want to give up for that reason then they should go away!

[sailingaway]

Sorry but you ARE & there seem to be enough such folks around here wanting to kill the movement with their negativity, I don't know why people are so hellbent on losing, may be they should raise the white-flag & go away so that those who are not quitters, can go ahead & keep fighting :mad:

If someone thinks that "powers" can't be beaten then they might as well lay down their weapons & wait for them to get slaughtered but they shouldn't try to bring down those who want to fight! Majority were sheep since the time of Founders, nothing has changed & never will, Founders were going up against the most powerful Empire in history but they didn't flinch like some people here are so if quitters want to give up for that reason then they should go away!

I appreciate your feelings, but A-F is no quitter and has been supporting Ron a long time. What you say is almost funny, applied to him. He is disappointed, is all.

[Anti Federalist]

and then look at the soft total column for those NOT awarded yet and figure out how many you think Santorum was in a position to pick up in Colorado and Iowa and Minnesota.

I'm not seeing a "soft total column".

http://www.npr.org/2011/12/29/144456395/primary-calendar-republican-delegates-and-whats-at-stake-in-each-state?tab=delegates

But in any case, I'll stop derailing your thread and back out.

We'll see how it all plays out.

But color me un-optimistic.

[Anti Federalist]

Sorry but you ARE & there seem to be enough such folks around here wanting to kill the movement with their negativity, I don't know why people are so hellbent on losing, may be they should raise the white-flag & go away so that those who are not quitters, can go ahead & keep fighting :mad:

If someone thinks that "powers" can't be beaten then they might as well lay down their weapons & wait for them to get slaughtered but they shouldn't try to bring down those who want to fight! Majority were sheep since the time of Founders, nothing has changed & never will, Founders were going up against the most powerful Empire in history but they didn't flinch like some people here are so if quitters want to give up for that reason then they should go away!

LoL

Washington lost battle after battle after battle.

His ability to keep fighting against the system he was trying to overthrow was maintained by not continuing to pour men and resources he could scarcely spare into a losing battle.

I've been in this "fight" for thirty years now.

I doubt I'm going anywhere, 'least until I drop dead anyways.

[sailingaway]

I'm not seeing a "soft total column".

http://www.npr.org/2011/12/29/144456395/primary-calendar-republican-delegates-and-whats-at-stake-in-each-state?tab=delegates

But in any case, I'll stop derailing your thread and back out.

We'll see how it all plays out.

But color me un-optimistic.

in here, this is greenpapers: http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/R

[nemt4paul]

My former Economics student (majoring in Econ @ ISU) was at the event. She said "Liberty was in the air". I'm so proud of her :)

[Tudo]

Absolutely wonderful. Like nothing we've ever seen before and probably will never see again. Dr Paul is a true American icon and probably the only lawmaker in the WORLD like him. He's unique.

[Anti Federalist]

in here, this is greenpapers: http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/R

Got it, I thought your were referring to the NPR counter.

Thanks.

[sailingaway]

Absolutely wonderful. Like nothing we've ever seen before and probably will never see again. Dr Paul is a true American icon and probably the only lawmaker in the WORLD like him. He's unique.

He is, and is proven. I'm feeling he is a once in a lifetime candidate, but maybe only against those in Congress. Some of the Ron Paul republicans coming up, Forsyth and BJ and Sanborne might be terrific given a chance. It is just so many sound good BEFORE they are put to the test and are given power. Ron has stayed this way.

[sailingaway]

My former Economics student (majoring in Econ @ ISU) was at the event. She said "Liberty was in the air". I'm so proud of her :)

:D

[sailingaway]

bump for pictures

[69360]

For years now, this has been the norm: overflow crowds, huge crowds, sold out events, blow out straw polls...on and on.

But here we are, in last place.

Clearly those who vote for the establishment don't bother to turn out for "their guys".


Yep, RP people turn out for political events disproportionately. People on here talk about good turnout at the events, but not at the polls. That's not really the case, RP people are just more involved than establishment voters.


As of today:

Romney - 105
Santorum - 71
Gingrich - 29
Paul - 18

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/delegates

What am I missing here?

I certainly hope it's not some fantasy like the one that ran around in 2008 about how "we" were going to take over the delegates and nominate RP at the convention, regardless of the voting or caucus results.

That's what they are hoping for again. I think RP has more delegates than last time, sure. But simple math will tell you you can not win the nomination ever if you take every single delegate in every single small caucus state. You have to be able to win big winner take all states with bound delegates.


I predict when we get blown away Super Tuesday and the rest of the March dates, there will be a serious reconsideration of Ron running Indy.

The only way Ron can win the nomination from what I see, is for some unforeseen event to happen that would cause many people to wake up out of their trance herding themselves to the only person running who has been saying the same thing for 30 years.

I'm hoping Ron can win at least one on super Tuesday, but all signs point to a blowout.

I'd like to see a 3rd party run too, but whatever Ron and crew decide I'll vote for him.

[Drex]

Sweet! This is Iowa size crowds! Moscow is on the border with WA so of course expect big crowds

[socal]

narrow field video, but good audio,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Yk3OV7nZo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDWptFnKlLU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXUhN9eWEiE

[socal]

Much better video,

University of Idaho

http://vimeo.com/37024010