Campaign Announcement: RonPaul2008.com Host Experiencing Power Issues

[JoshLowry]

Justine wanted to inform you that the Ron Paul 2008 site is down right now.


Their hosting provider is experiencing power issues and their engineers are working to resolve this issue. The site should be up shortly.


We appreciate your patience.


Justine Lam
eCampaign Director
Ron Paul 2008

[Ron Paul Fan]

And by power issues they mean hackers! Who was it? I bet it was a paid Giuliani goon.

[krott5333]

oh well

[JoshLowry]

No. Not hackers. Their host is experiencing power issues.

[fcofer]

Why in the hell do they not have geographically isolated mirrors up at this point? GRRR. How much money in donations are we losing right now?

Violated my profanity rule, which I've kept for so long. Sorry, censorship advocates. :(

[derdy]

They need to get a UPS and a diesel powered generator like we have here at work to keep that cash cow hummin!!!

[Ron Paul Fan]

Who wants to begin drafting a declaration of war against the hackers?

[dmspilot00]

Power issues? Do they not have battery backups and generators? What kind of host is this?

[ItsTime]

You never lose donations. If someone is going to donate... they will donate.


Why in the hell do they not have geographically isolated mirrors up at this point? GRRR. How much money in donations are we losing right now?

Violated my profanity rule, which I've kept for so long. Sorry, censorship advocates. :(

[derdy]

Let's hope there aren't any 'power issues' for the Tea Party

[fcofer]

Who wants to begin drafting a declaration of war against the hackers?

Well, forget about a declaration of war. We've got to act now, regardless of whether or not we know who's at fault.

You know, I think huck's forum needs a regime change. ;)

(This is supposed to be satire, people, just in case you aren't feeling humorous at the news in this thread.)

[TAWAY07]

can someone set up a mirrored site so this doesn't happen for the next fundraising drive?

[Ron Paul Fan]

No satire. Power issues is a lame excuse. The Paul campaign has millions of dollars in the bank! It had to have been hackers. This was their test run so that they can take us down on December 16th. If you guys don't declare war I'll take us anyway. I am the decider!

[quickmike]

Why in the hell do they not have geographically isolated mirrors up at this point? GRRR. How much money in donations are we losing right now?

Violated my profanity rule, which I've kept for so long. Sorry, censorship advocates. :(

Hell isnt really profanity. Hell, I say it all the time. Its in the bible right? Words like c--ksucker, f--ker, d--khead, sh-t, and a--hole.................... now those are some good ones.

[Mark Rushmore]

Some of us are already taking bets on whether there'll be a DDOS attack on Dec. 16th.

[derdy]

In the interim you can send all donations to me:D

[Stealth4]

can we get backups and better net security? There must be people on this forum or supporters of RP who are experts in this matter and would do this work/provide hardware for free gladly.

[constitutional]

disappointing. I wish they'd hire better campaign managers.

[Furis]

This would be very, very, very, very, extremely bad if it happens on the 16th


yes, I know Im stating the obvious.

[fcofer]

Hell isnt really profanity. Hell, I say it all the time. Its in the bible right? Words like c--ksucker, f--ker, d--khead, sh-t, and a--hole.................... now those are some good ones.

Sure, I improve my everyday speech with choice bits of profanity as well. I've just made an effort not to be profane on the forums so that I can argue against censorship and have extra credibility. :)

[framecut]

This would be very, very, very, very, extremely bad if it happens on the 16th


yes, I know Im stating the obvious.


If this happens....I'll donate to Huckabee!!!!!

[r3volution]

If this happens....I'll donate to Huckabee!!!!!

i hope that is a joke , if not i hope you are banned ..

[DealzOnWheelz]

disappointing. I wish they'd hire better campaign managers.

the campaign managers are great here. i'm so sick of people "oh I'm disappointed in ron!!" or "I'm disappointed in his team"

you might as well vote for Hitlery.

quit the negativity Ron Pauls campaign HQ know what they are doing.


SHIT happens servers crash its not uncommen. and i'm sick of being labeled a conspiracy theorist because of the people that always think its hackers or this or that.

I hope we can all stop thinking about the negatives especially the conspiracy theories regardless of how plausible and possible they may be. Ron Paul knows something was up with 9/11 but do you see him running around yelling "the sky is falling" no

[Menthol Patch]

I do think Ron Paul 2008 needs a dedicated server with a backup power generator.

[framecut]

SHIT happens servers crash its not uncommen. and i'm sick of being labeled a conspiracy theorist because of the people that always think its hackers or this or that.


Servers can be mirrored.

There's no excuse why they placed all their eggs in one basket.

[Adamsa]

Who wants to begin drafting a declaration of war against the hackers?

Who needs a declaration? :D

[Furis]

SHIT happens servers crash its not uncommen. and i'm sick of being labeled a conspiracy theorist because of the people that always think its hackers or this or that.


Im not saying hackers, BUT it wouldnt surprise me. What Ron promotes is not good for the current leadership and string pullers so they will try to stop him.

[frasu]

it's getting close to the hour since the site is down... hope this is another lesson or alarm...

[sandersondavis]

No satire. Power issues is a lame excuse. The Paul campaign has millions of dollars in the bank! It had to have been hackers. This was their test run so that they can take us down on December 16th. If you guys don't declare war I'll take us anyway. I am the decider!

I trust Ron Paul and I trust his campaign. If they say power issues, I believe them!
'nuff said

[Ron Paul Fan]

Im not saying hackers, BUT it wouldnt surprise me. What Ron promotes is not good for the current leadership and string pullers so they will try to stop him.

Exactly. This is just their dry run so that they're prepared for December 16th. What we need is more security. Anyone who wants to get into the Ron Paul official website will need to give information such as name, phone number, address, social security #, medical history, criminal history, bank account #s, and anything else private. We will then run a background check on these people and create a database of all of these people. We need to know who these people are. We cannot wait for the smoking gun which could come in the form of a crashed server.

[r3volution]

omg , omg , omg , omfg . i think its aliens .

[JoshLowry]

No satire. Power issues is a lame excuse. The Paul campaign has millions of dollars in the bank! It had to have been hackers. This was their test run so that they can take us down on December 16th. If you guys don't declare war I'll take us anyway. I am the decider!

Stop spreading FUD.

I spoke directly to Justine and she had me post that message to dispel the exact rumors you are spreading.

Thanks.

[fcofer]

I trust Ron Paul and I trust his campaign. If they say power issues, I believe them!
'nuff said

That's not the point. We've raised $8 million this quarter so far. The campaign can afford geographically isolated mirrors so that the loss of power, or whatever, at one location will not cause this kind of a crisis. The cost of this would be absolutely trivial relative to the amount of money that is being raised.

I guess it's good that this happened now; hopefully the campaign will take some better preventive steps.

[jenius]

Just wondering. It would be nice to be able to communicate, for instance, about why the official website is down atm.

[Furis]

Stop spreading FUD.

I spoke directly to Justine and she had me post that message to dispel the exact rumors you are spreading.

Thanks.

I dont want to be an alarmist, but the whole hacker thing is a possibility for the 16th. I know that if I was any of the other major candidates I would do may damnedest to disrupt another money bomb.

[ChrisM]

Power outage is the word from ronpaulgraphs. I can't find anything official.

[jpinkerton]

I'm guessing it's a server issue, as it is able to respond to ping/tracert - maybe Apache went down...

[anotherone]

That's not the point. We've raised $8 million this quarter so far. The campaign can afford geographically isolated mirrors so that the loss of power, or whatever, at one location will not cause this kind of a crisis. The cost of this would be absolutely trivial relative to the amount of money that is being raised.

I guess it's good that this happened now; hopefully the campaign will take some better preventive steps.

EXACTLY. I've seen these website outages toooooo many time with ronpaul2008.com . I've never called the HQ before, but I think I'll call them to say they should have redundant websites. This is a wakeup call.

[Adamsa]

Campaign says server guys are doing something with the power supply, it'll be back soon.

[Hancock1776]

I noticed a minute ago that it was down. There was no announcement of downtime, but that may just mean it didn't occur to them to mention it.

In the back of my mind I suspect foul play, which will quickly be corrected.

[cac1963]

I read a few articles in the Seattle paper saying that massive storms were knocking out power everywhere. Is their "host" in the Seattle area? From previous experience, I know that hosting servers at your own location doesn't help you any when your upstream bandwidth provider can't keep his lights turned on. Is that the actual case here?

[JoshLowry]

I dont want to be an alarmist, but the whole hacker thing is a possibility for the 16th. I know that if I was any of the other major candidates I would do may damnedest to disrupt another money bomb.

I am not saying that is out of the realm of possibilities.

The purpose of the thread was to dispel any rumors about the server crash that is currently being dealt with.

[jpinkerton]

I would guess it was something that was not planned - but I can't imagine that on a server as important as Ron's they don't have redundant hot swappable power supplies. I can swap out a power supply in a server in our server room without downtime, I can't believe Ron's server is not in a position to do that....

[Apauled]

Someone tell me if you can get on or not! 10:04
I can't! WHY!

[constitutional]

the campaign managers are great here. i'm so sick of people "oh I'm disappointed in ron!!" or "I'm disappointed in his team"

you might as well vote for Hitlery.

quit the negativity Ron Pauls campaign HQ know what they are doing.


SHIT happens servers crash its not uncommen. and i'm sick of being labeled a conspiracy theorist because of the people that always think its hackers or this or that.

I hope we can all stop thinking about the negatives especially the conspiracy theories regardless of how plausible and possible they may be. Ron Paul knows something was up with 9/11 but do you see him running around yelling "the sky is falling" no

I don't know what you are trying to say in the rest of your post but servers can be set up so if one server goes down, the other one still holds on the website. This is crucial. Now just imagine if the website was down on 5th or Dec 16th? But then, I don't know what exactly happened to the server as of now or how they are set up. RP's website should be up 100% of the time, no questions.

[hellah10]

power outage

[derdy]

Not to mention a mirrored site.

They need to build in some type of redundancy.

What happens when we go to donate on the 16th and it says:

Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage

[lx43]

How much does a redundant system cost? Maybe thats the issue why they haven't set one up/

[Mark]

Posted by "takeaction" on DailyPaul.com

I just called them, and talked to the head guy. They are doing a server upgrade and asked for all of us to be patient...and please do not call or email. It will be back up in a little while. They wanted me to post this as soon as possible. DO NOT CALL!! They are making the site faster!

http://dailypaul.com/node/7223

[leftinthemidwest]

The official campaign website is currently offline, has anybody seen this or know whats going on I posted here because there are the most people viewing

[conner_condor]

RP graphs is froze at 42,990. A mirror server would been nice and paid for allready. How many people might wanted to give 100 today and tomorro can now give only 50. They loose money all the time the server is down.Could of had a 50k day again.

[adwads]

I just noticed it is down also. I hope this isn't a deliberate attack on the website.

[jpinkerton]

power outage

This is so stupid, a datacenter SHOULD NOT BE EFFECTED BY A POWER OUTAGE. Especially one that is hosting a candidates website, they have generators onsite that run on diesel and can be refueled. The datacenter is not having a power outage. I would guess some crap like Apache, as it is still responding to a ping/tracert. Though I can't say 100% positive, but I do not believe it would be a power outage.

[jd603]

Way to go RackSpace.



I can easily do a mirror for the campaign, no charge, in my data center, no idea who to contact though...?!?!

[ctb619]

"Campaign Announcement: RonPaul2008.com Host Experiencing Power Issues"

[jpinkerton]

They really didn't plan a server upgrade very well - should've been in early morning times, 3am we're talkin' - and as jd stated, a mirror is not that hard to setup, come on!

[jd603]

Occasionally it happens, even if you spend big bucks on redundancy, there's always SOMETHING that happens, heh, but key is being prepared to deal with it and having on-call electricians etc. I have some years I do 100% uptime, others 99.99 etc. , but even with all precautions, once you factor in human error too, every data center has down-time. :)



This is so stupid, a datacenter SHOULD NOT BE EFFECTED BY A POWER OUTAGE. Especially one that is hosting a candidates website, they have generators onsite that run on diesel and can be refueled. The datacenter is not having a power outage. I would guess some crap like Apache, as it is still responding to a ping/tracert. Though I can't say 100% positive, but I do not believe it would be a power outage.

[jake]

Let's hope there aren't any 'power issues' for the Tea Party

yeah no kidding. any sort of downtime on dec. 16th could literally be the difference between success and failure for the ENTIRE campaign!

[FluxCapacitor]

There are ways to prevent your website being down due to power outage at the host. It just costs money.

Ron Paul's campaign got some good press at the end of the 3rd quarter for being so frugal. Paul reminded his staff not to be extravagant with the spending. It must be difficult for them to switch gears now that their fundraising has grown so powerful.

It's a risk that every website has to address.

I bet the campaign will spend a bit extra to ensure this doesn't happen again. It's a good lesson.

[fcofer]

i hope that is a joke , if not i hope you are banned ..

:eek: I hope your statement is a joke and you don't want someone banned just for making a single, flippant, unpopular remark!

[jpinkerton]

Occasionally it happens, even if you spend big bucks on redundancy, there's always SOMETHING that happens, heh, but key is being prepared to deal with it and having on-call electricians etc. I have some years I do 100% uptime, others 99.99 etc. , but even with all precautions, once you factor in human error too, every data center has down-time. :)

But JD, come on - you can't tell me they couldn't have mirrored the site, even a small low bandwidth site that just has a current status/eta on server. ;)

[leftinthemidwest]

RE: 404 error on the 16th, I had emailed the tech staff at the campaign prior to the 5th event just to make sure they could handle what was coming, they said no problem. So I can imagine all should go well on the 16th Tea Party in terms of handling the transactions. I am however worried about some anti-paul entity doing something technically malicious that day.

[LibertyEagle]

FluxCapacitor:

Wow! The effects on your video were very neat. I agree with one of the posters that you should hook up with ELib3rty on a kick butt video.

[BiPolarBear]

If this happens....I'll donate to Huckabee!!!!!

Do you ever post anything positive on here? All I see is 9/11 truth this and that and multiple mentions of the Huckster...

[r3volution]

Quote:
Originally Posted by framecut
If this happens....I'll donate to Huckabee!!!!!


Do you ever post anything positive on here? All I see is 9/11 truth this and that and multiple mentions of the Huckster...

i agree , every post this guy makes he trys to stir up an argument . i cant believe the mods allow it .

[jd603]

Exactly, I want to offer free resources but I always have trouble reaching the campaign.

i got an idea tho...



But JD, come on - you can't tell me they couldn't have mirrored the site, even a small low bandwidth site that just has a current status/eta on server. ;)

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Some of us are already taking bets on whether there'll be a DDOS attack on Dec. 16th.

any money involved? ;)

[JoshLowry]

i agree , every post this guy makes he trys to stir up an argument . i cant believe the mods allow it .

He has been sent a PM.

If you would like to make the moderator team aware of something please use the http://www.ronpaulforums.com/gfx_RedWhiteBlue/buttons/report.gif icon.

Thanks.

[leftinthemidwest]

and this idea is?

[Mark]

.

going by my 'donation' firefox add-on.. (no updates for a while)

I'll be watching until it updates again..

maybe.. that will be a clue the site is back up..

[jpinkerton]

Wow this thread exploded fast! :)

7 Pages!

[Mark Rushmore]

any money involved? ;)

I'll remember what money is come mid-November 2008 ;).

[tlynch]

What kind of web host doesn't have generators?

[tekkierich]

As an IT professional with lots of hosting exp I wish I could get in there and see what is going on. Last year I worked for a small company that did lots of work for non-profits in the DC area. We had one very prominent group that you all have heard of that works on an issue that was in the news all of the time. They semi frequently would have their director on Good Morning America or a bill related to their issue before congress, or a case at the Supreme Court. Traffic could be very spiky at times.

Unexpected downtime like this completely unacceptable for any reason.

[Richie]

Will you guys relax? As far as I know, this is the first time the site has been down. The servers withstood all the traffic on the fifth, and usually withstand (enough to donate, anyway) after the debates. It can certainly take a pounding and survive (unlike this server has been in the past).

[r3volution]

its back up

[jjschless]

Wow this thread exploded fast! :)

7 Pages!

It doesn't take much for the trolls to start spamming.

[leftinthemidwest]

As an IT professional with lots of hosting exp I wish I could get in there and see what is going on. Last year I worked for a small company that did lots of work for non-profits in the DC area. We had one very prominent group that you all have heard of that works on an issue that where in the news all of the time. They semi frequently would have their director on Good Morning America or a bill related to their issue before congress, or a case at the Supreme Court. Traffic could be very spiky at times.

Unexpected downtime like this completely unacceptable for any reason.

Well let's get some idea's flowing, I've been waiting for an IT professional to get in this thread. Let's get some ideas flowing. Do you see anything constructive anyone outside the campaign could be doing right now or to help prevent this from happening on the 16th? Or anything the community could do on the 16th to make sure this doesn't happen?

[rasheedwallace]

its back up

still down for me.

[jd603]

It's more complicated than that.... most do,,, there's plenty of other things that can go wrong.


What kind of web host doesn't have generators?

[JoshLowry]

still down for me.

Up for me.

[derdy]

Well let's get some idea's flowing, I've been waiting for an IT professional to get in this thread. Let's get some ideas flowing. Do you see anything constructive anyone outside the campaign could be doing right now or to help prevent this from happening on the 16th? Or anything the community could do on the 16th to make sure this doesn't happen?

I think we have a ton of IT professionals on the forums (myself included)

I think that's why you're hearing so many complaints about redundancy, theorizing about DDOS (hacking), and downtime being unexceptable.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Before anyone starts speculating, I wanted to inform you that the Ron
Paul 2008 site is down right now (11-12-2007 at 9:00 PM ET).

Our hosting provider is experiencing power issues and their engineers
are working to resolve this issue. The site should be up shortly.

We appreciate your patience.

Justine Lam
Ron Paul 2008

[jd603]

It's back up... pretty nice outage though.

I own and operate a privately held data center in New Hampshire and could probably hand the campaign some free press up here for taking on mirror of the hosting, I think this would be the best bet for the campaign...


I am getting in touch with the NH campaign manager now...

[tangent4ronpaul]

correction - looks like it's back up now.

-n

[Mark]

.

my firefox add-on just updated..

[anotherone]

Will you guys relax? As far as I know, this is the first time the site has been down. The servers withstood all the traffic on the fifth, and usually withstand (enough to donate, anyway) after the debates. It can certainly take a pounding and survive (unlike this server has been in the past).

This was NOT the first time. The site went down right after the last debate. Talk about bad timing.

I think we can expect more outages in the future.

[derdy]

Hi Justine,

Can you provide anymore information from the hosting company as to what they have in place to prevent this in the future? Just a little unnerving with the 16th coming up and all. Just wondering if the have a generator or something on site?

Does HQ have any plans of mirroring the site?

Thank you,
Denny

[Roxi]

hmmm who OWNS that hosting provider company? rupert murdoch? and where the H - E double hockey sticks is my tin foil hat

[mkrfctr]

For people claiming to be tech people the ignorance and false accusations and expectations are unbelievable...

[jd603]

The hosting company is RackSpace in Texas, generally not bad reliability, but they have dropped the ball more so than I usually do in regards to Ron's site. That said, no need to stop hosting there, we just need some off-site redundancy/mirroring is all. I am working with the campaign now...

[derdy]

The hosting company is RackSpace in Texas, generally not bad reliability, but they have dropped the ball more so than I usually do in regards to Ron's site. That said, no need to stop hosting there, we just need some off-site redundancy/mirroring is all. I am working with the campaign now...

Awesome!

[steph3n]

What kind of web host doesn't have generators?

breakers will take down the best of generators.

People here are making up so much.

[Abobo]

It doesn't always matter if the datacenter has a backup generator or not. The power issue could have been with the server's power supply or a problem with the rack it was hosted on.

If you check WebHostingTalk there's no mention of any power issues at the datacenter. So it was most likely isolated to either the server or the rack.

[Energy]

Apparently caused by a traffic accident. Other sites affected (37signals, threadless, etc) as mentioned on techcrunch.com

Quick, Plug The Internet Back In: Major Rackspace Outage

http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/12/quick-plug-the-internet-back-in-major-rackspace-outage/

"Apparently a traffic accident is to blame for a major datacenter outage this evening. Rackspace’s Dallas datacenter lost electricity shortly after a traffic accident caused damage to a power transformer. Rackspace’s generators kicked in but, as we’ve seen before, lots of other things can then go wrong. In this case, two chillers within the data center failed to start back up, and a number of servers were taken offline to avoid damage from overheating."