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maiki
06-18-2007, 07:25 PM
This blog just got started: http://catholicsforronpaul.blogspot.com/

Not too many posts right now, but probably will be a good website to direct possible Catholic voters. Just FYI.

CurtisLow
06-18-2007, 08:52 PM
thanks!

Bradley in DC
06-18-2007, 10:13 PM
Excellent. Ron Paul per omina secula seculorum!

james1906
06-18-2007, 11:20 PM
he does subscribe to the consistent life ethic, but he doesn't believe in government forced charity. i wonder how the catholic league is going to view him.

mikelovesgod
06-19-2007, 01:33 AM
I wouldn't worry about the gov't forced charity for Catholics, our problem as Catholics is that most of them believe in socialism because they are Catholic in name only and don't believe in the Church's positions in morality themselves. Statistically most "Catholics" have voted for Clinton and Kerry, and currently support Billary II.

On the other hand if you can read orthodox Catholics and bring them the message you will find them very amenable to working for the campaign. I exposed my church to Ron Paul and some of them already know and love him. If you can find the pro-life Catholics (single issue voters) and show them Paul they will love him.

If you can find the "restore the Church" Catholics they will love him too and don't care about the gov't enforcing charity, but that the gov't should be out of our life. Orthodox Catholics, like fundamentalist Protestants are very outspoken and will be huge rallying points. Bush won mostly because he riled up fundies, and I think that approach should be taken again.

Nash
06-19-2007, 02:48 AM
The Vatican generally likes Pro-Life, Anti Death Penalty and Anti War candidates.

Usually it's very difficult to find a candidate that supports all three of those tenets.

Ron Paul does. He's a perfect fit.

Granted he's not a socialist, and for whatever reason Catholics tend to like socialist candidates. He's also against open borders, which can hurt him among catholic latinos' in the border states.

Regardless, the first three tenets are right in line with the Catholic church teachings and we should remind catholic's we meet that Ron Paul stands for those things.

Ron Paul supports life, no matter what.

mikelovesgod
06-19-2007, 03:28 AM
The Church is not anti-death penalty, that's a recent innovation and is not part of Catholic social doctrine. The Church permits the death penalty, but modern theologians (not all, but most) and most of the hierarchy (not all) favor the new anti-death penalty approach. Personally I'm for the death penalty and it is Catholic doctrine. I would leave out the death penalty aspect of how to appeal to Catholics.

Also, the Church is not anti-war, but teaches the Just War Doctrine, which I was blown away when Ron Paul mentioned the doctrine of Just War.

The reason why "Catholics" like socialist candidates is because they are not Catholics and only profess to be by baptism, not by believing in the Catholic Church.

Orthodox Catholics should be approached on the grounds of the Just War Doctrine of the Catholic Church, less gov't interference as all conservative/orthodox Catholics cannot stand Big Brother gov't, and his stance state rights over federal rights. Many orthodox Catholics are mamby-pamby on immigration and think we are helping the poor, not our country going broke and poor.

Nash
06-19-2007, 12:35 PM
The Church is not anti-death penalty, that's a recent innovation and is not part of Catholic social doctrine. The Church permits the death penalty, but modern theologians (not all, but most) and most of the hierarchy (not all) favor the new anti-death penalty approach. Personally I'm for the death penalty and it is Catholic doctrine. I would leave out the death penalty aspect of how to appeal to Catholics.

Ron Paul is against the Death penalty. I suppose that's unpopular in the general public but perhaps not unpopular in the church? The death penalty seems to be unpopular around here (California) although I'll concede it's popular in our nation as a whole.



Also, the Church is not anti-war, but teaches the Just War Doctrine, which I was blown away when Ron Paul mentioned the doctrine of Just War.

The reason why "Catholics" like socialist candidates is because they are not Catholics and only profess to be by baptism, not by believing in the Catholic Church.


I'm not talking about people who claim to be catholic. I'm talking about members of the clergy. The catholic church where I live (southern california) preaches socialism. I don't agree with them but that basically their stance on the matter. I'm oversimplifying here and granted, California is insane, but that's what's going on around here in the Catholic church. It's been this way for years.

angrydragon
06-19-2007, 12:40 PM
Weren't churches back in the day the ones executing the death penalty?

Nash
06-19-2007, 01:44 PM
Weren't churches back in the day the ones executing the death penalty?

Yes, this occurred during the Spanish Inquisition. I'm sure there are other examples.

Back in the day, politicians supported the constitution and America didn't advocate imperialism and nation building overseas either.