Will McCain, Lieberman support Al-Qaeda to topple Syrian government?

[moderate libertarian]

To be clear, there have been no confirmed reports in MSM that Obama or his masers were currently funding "Al Qaeda in Syria" to justify invasion of the country:



'Al Qaida behind deadly Syria bombings'

By JPOST.COM STAFF 02/11/2012 08:57
Radical Sunni group carried out Damascus, Aleppo attacks in an effort to expand their influence, US officials tell 'McClatchy.'

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=257364




US should arm Syrian opposition: McCain
2012-02-07 22:29

Washington - Senior Republican senator John McCain urged the United States on Tuesday to consider arming the opposition fighting the forces of Syria's President Bashar Assad.

"We should start considering all options, including arming the opposition. The blood-letting has got to stop," he told reporters.

McCain, who stopped short of calling for military intervention, made the remarks as he and other Republican senators were about to meet with visiting Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman.

http://www.news24.com/World/News/US-should-arm-Syrian-opposition-McCain-20120207

If "Al Qaeda in Syria" is trying to topple Syrian secular government, which side neocon groups in US would side with? Will McCain, Lieberman secretly support terrorists as long as they manage to get confused on definition of "terrorist"? Would McCain and neocon groups support Al Qaeda if it also opposes Iran?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6GBdyws5YU


Or Syria is being punished by racist groups in US government/Obama'a masters for opening its doors for millions of Iraqi Christian arab refugees who were forced to exile after we spread freedom there?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYVWT_kDTsU

[JuicyG]

They`ve done it in Lybia so I don`t see why they`d she away from that in Syria. It`s also known fact lybian rebels or ex lybian rebels have moved the fight from Lybia to Syria.

[Demigod]

They`ve done it in Lybia so I don`t see why they`d she away from that in Syria. It`s also known fact lybian rebels or ex lybian rebels have moved the fight from Lybia to Syria.

there is a difference here.

There is large christian and pagan minority in Syria that has no other option than Assad,also Russia has a naval base there and will supply them with everything they need.Iran trough Hezbollah can help them with troops and China and Russia would veto any resolution for an attack on Syria.

The only problem is that the "Free Syrian Army" 's main base is in Turkey so they will always be a problem and a destabilizing factor for Syria.

[moderate libertarian]

there is a difference here.

There is large christian and pagan minority in Syria that has no other option than Assad,also Russia has a naval base there and will supply them with everything they need.Iran trough Hezbollah can help them with troops and China and Russia would veto any resolution for an attack on Syria.

The only problem is that the "Free Syrian Army" 's main base is in Turkey so they will always be a problem and a destabilizing factor for Syria.

You are right, this is not Libya.
Alliances here have some similarity to Afghanistan freedom war of 80s with secular Afghan government + Russia on one side against an alliance of newly cultivated Afghan jihadi groups + USA/CIA+ foreign fighters including Osama Bin Laden + Saudi funding.

In syria conflict, there is China also and Osama has been replaced by other militants.

Although Syrian rebels in following video are covering ther faces, they don't seem to be shouting with CIA accent:


Syria Today 28-1-2012: Radical Terrorists Supported by Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKOW9nc-ykI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKOW9nc-ykI

[Demigod]

You are right, this is not Libya.
Alliances here have some similarity to Afghanistan freedom war of 80s with secular Afghan government + Russia on one side against an alliance of newly cultivated Afghan jihadi groups + USA/CIA+ foreign fighters including Osama Bin Laden + Saudi funding.

In syria conflict, there is China also and Osama has been replaced by other militants.

Although Syrian rebels in following video are covering ther faces, they don't seem to be shouting with CIA accent:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKOW9nc-ykI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKOW9nc-ykI


Well it is not the same as Afghanistan because of a few things :

The secular Afghan government only really worked in the border regions with Russia and it was mostly due to local militias( who still existed and ruled them self's under the Taliban and today under the USA .In Syria the government has complete control over the country except one region and that is around the city of Holms.

Also unlike Afghanistan, support from neighboring countries can come such as Hezbollah from Lebanon and Hamas from Palestine.,also special forces from Iran.And what can not be underestimated is the minority support especially if their are afraid for their lives (and they are ) they will fight the hardest.What Syria and Afghanistan have in common is that in both countries there was a neighbor which directly helped the resistance and could not have been engaged in Afghanistan it was Pakistan for the Russians and in Syria it is Turkey

The only problem is here that they could never destroy them completely cause Turkey is sponsoring a base for them on Turkish territory and a "refugee camp" which 90% of the cases is really a recruitment base.

If the Syrian government is smart they would not let this linger but go scorched earth on the region and then fortify the whole border with Turkey and start supporting the Kurd's in return for them not get involved.I have seen first hand how this thing works.The whole "talking process" is just buying time for them to get organized.They recruit poor young kids who can be easily manipulated ,they are trained by western special forces so they can act as cannon folder for the longest ,that is until CNN can start making dramatic documentaries to prepare the people of the world for an invasion.Also a popular tactic is where they attack government forces and hide in a village or a small town,the government forces then retaliate cause they think that the town is supporting them and the people in the town then get angry of why the government is bombing them when they have done nothing.


Now just to be clear I don't support Assad and think they should become a representative democracy but this "revolutions" will certainly not bring that change.If they were real patriots they would not ask for foreign assistance and foreigners to bomb their country.They are just traitors who want power.They will just do to Syria what has happened in Libya. Are they better off now ? They destroyed in 6 months what took 30 years to build and are now fractured in little tribes who fight each other.

[Feeding the Abscess]

From the Libya no-fly zone resolution in the Senate last year:


(11) welcomes the outreach that has begun by the United States Government to Libyan opposition figures and supports an orderly, irreversible transition to a legitimate democratic government in Libya.

Since the executive branch takes AUMF and the PATRIOT Act to do whatever the hell it wants, you can be sure that we're using this "authority" to fund and assist the rebels in Syria.

[moderate libertarian]

Well it is not the same as Afghanistan because of a few things :

The secular Afghan government only really worked in the border regions with Russia and it was mostly due to local militias( who still existed and ruled them self's under the Taliban and today under the USA .In Syria the government has complete control over the country except one region and that is around the city of Holms.

Also unlike Afghanistan, support from neighboring countries can come such as Hezbollah from Lebanon and Hamas from Palestine.,also special forces from Iran.And what can not be underestimated is the minority support especially if their are afraid for their lives (and they are ) they will fight the hardest.What Syria and Afghanistan have in common is that in both countries there was a neighbor which directly helped the resistance and could not have been engaged in Afghanistan it was Pakistan for the Russians and in Syria it is Turkey

The only problem is here that they could never destroy them completely cause Turkey is sponsoring a base for them on Turkish territory and a "refugee camp" which 90% of the cases is really a recruitment base.

If the Syrian government is smart they would not let this linger but go scorched earth on the region and then fortify the whole border with Turkey and start supporting the Kurd's in return for them not get involved.I have seen first hand how this thing works.The whole "talking process" is just buying time for them to get organized.They recruit poor young kids who can be easily manipulated ,they are trained by western special forces so they can act as cannon folder for the longest ,that is until CNN can start making dramatic documentaries to prepare the people of the world for an invasion.Also a popular tactic is where they attack government forces and hide in a village or a small town,the government forces then retaliate cause they think that the town is supporting them and the people in the town then get angry of why the government is bombing them when they have done nothing.


Now just to be clear I don't support Assad and think they should become a representative democracy but this "revolutions" will certainly not bring that change.If they were real patriots they would not ask for foreign assistance and foreigners to bomb their country.They are just traitors who want power.They will just do to Syria what has happened in Libya. Are they better off now ? They destroyed in 6 months what took 30 years to build and are now fractured in little tribes who fight each other.


I was thinking just in terms of allied groups and it's a loose analogy. I agree, situation in Syria is very different and same allies are very different today in terms of their capacity, bad blood among themselves.
I'm not that informed about Turkish role but any so called "revolution" being sponsored by foreign actors like Obama's masters, Saudis, Israel can't be good for freedom of the people there.

[moderate libertarian]

This was posted in another thread:


Reminded me of this clip where McCain while hanging out with some extremists in Libya got honored with a red scarf but a edgy looking babe runs quickly to remove it without asking McCain's permission. Title of clip is bit disrespectful and should be ignored.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hbwh98EXpw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hbwh98EXpw

[anaconda]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L49L6iZSSg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKwqadgYYrE

[awake]

'All means to justify all ends'. If their true Neo-conic beliefs hold, they won't think twice about employing terrorists. Their core ideas are inspired by Trotsky himself.