US Snipers posing with Nazi Symbolism

[noneedtoaggress]

http://rt.com/news/marines-nazi-flag-scandal-965/

http://rt.com/files/news/marines-nazi-flag-scandal-965/image-frim-httpknightarmcocom.n.jpg


A picture showing a US Marine scout sniper team posing in front of what appears as a flag of the notorious Nazi organization SS, has surfaced online. The Marine Corps confirmed that the embarrassing photo taken in Afghanistan is real.
The use of the SS symbol in not acceptable and the Corps has addressed the issue, Lt. Col. Stewart Upton said in a statement Thursday.
He did not elaborate on what measures have been taken, but stressed that the Marines shown in the picture are no longer with the unit.
The picture circulating on the internet was taken in September 2010 in Afghanistan’s Sangin province.
The Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) in Washington said it was outraged by the photograph.

“Heads need to roll and this needs to be fully investigated,” said Mikey Weinstein, founder of MRFF.
The Marines posing in the photo wanted to identify themselves as scout snipers, not Nazis, reports the British newspaper Daily Mail, citing a spokesman of the Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton.
The SS, or Schutzstaffel, was the military wing of the German Nazi Party. They played an essential part in many crimes against humanity, including the genocide of Jews in territories controlled by the Third Reich.
The twin Sig rune, resembling two lightning bolts, was used as the insignia of the criminal organization.
The scandal comes less than a month after the US Marines were marred by another scandal. Several of its scout snipers were filmed while urinating on dead bodies of Taliban militants. The tape surfaced on the internet, causing public uproar and official condemnation of the desecration.

Came across these as well, apparently it had been going on for a few years or something:

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/xml/news/2012/02/marine-scout-snipers-nazi-ss-logo-020912/022012mc_ss_logo1_800.JPG

http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy210/Ryan_Crierie/SS_2011_Marines.jpg

http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy210/Ryan_Crierie/Marines_DeathsHead_Fallujah_2006.jpg

[Dissent]

They are sniper scouts. Hence the SS.Also runes are not "nazi" symbols.

[onlyrp]

They are sniper scouts. Hence the SS.Also runes are not "nazi" symbols.

you signed up just to make this post?

It's true that runes are not Nazi symbols, but it's the only known usage for 70 years in the western world.

[Bosco Warden]

They are putting their life on the line for this unjust war, they should be able to wear what they want to.

I got money they just think its "cool" are a completely clueless as to their historical significance.

If anyone is a new Hitler it's Benjamin Netanyahu.

[noneedtoaggress]

They are sniper scouts. Hence the SS.Also runes are not "nazi" symbols.

http://terminallance.com/comics/2012-02-10-Strip_Insspiration_web.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-Totenkopfverb%C3%A4nde

http://cdn101.iofferphoto.com/img/item/708/025/11/o_Fr8svkiDmG80p3j.jpg

[GunnyFreedom]

This has been around for quite a while. It's not like they were trying to glorify the Nazis. I'm not saying it's a good idea, but they were doing this well before 9/11:

http://webspace.webring.com/people/eu/um_4195/

It's really a failure of leadership who should have known it was going to blow up some day. Most likely the folks who did this were counting on it 'striking fear into the hearts of the enemy,' and 'fear is the mind-killer.' It's not like they were trying to glorify Nazis or demonstrate antisemitism, They were just trying to evoke fear in their enemies. The idea being if you can evoke fear in the enemy, you are more likely to survive and achieve victory, while the enemy is more likely to die in defeat.

So yeah, it was a dumb idea, but they were doing this in the 1990's at least, maybe as far back as the 70's. The failure wasn't with this one squad, but with leadership who should have known this was a PR disaster waiting to happen and put a lid on it a decade ago or earlier.

[CaptainAmerica]

Give me a break. EVERYONE KNOWS exactly what that SS symbol looks like.

[noneedtoaggress]

This has been around for quite a while. It's not like they were trying to glorify the Nazis. I'm not saying it's a good idea, but they were doing this well before 9/11:

http://webspace.webring.com/people/eu/um_4195/

It's really a failure of leadership who should have known it was going to blow up some day. Most likely the folks who did this were counting on it 'striking fear into the hearts of the enemy,' and 'fear is the mind-killer.' It's not like they were trying to glorify Nazis or demonstrate antisemitism, They were just trying to evoke fear in their enemies. The idea being if you can evoke fear in the enemy, you are more likely to survive and achieve victory, while the enemy is more likely to die in defeat.

So yeah, it was a dumb idea, but they were doing this in the 1990's at least, maybe as far back as the 70's. The failure wasn't with this one squad, but with leadership who should have known this was a PR disaster waiting to happen and put a lid on it a decade ago or earlier.

Sure, that wouldn't surprise me. Still think it warrants attention. It's not like this reflects every marine or anything, and it's still a terrifying look at what war does to people.

[noneedtoaggress]

Bleh, just saw AF already posted this (should have known) in this thread:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?359903-US-troops-in-Afghanistan-pose-in-front-of-NAZI-Schutzstaffel-banner.

can we get a mod-merge up in here?

[JK/SEA]

so, we're all nazi's now. great.

[onlyrp]

http://www.hardcharger.com/catalog/Scout%20Sniper%20Kopfjager.jpeg

[seraphson]

I love the bottom/last picture. Look at the smug smirks on their faces.

"Herr Herr. Hitler was so cool. Herr Herr. Like. A total Bad Ass. Herr Herr. We have big guns like they did. Herr Herr."

[Dissent]

you signed up just to make this post?

It's true that runes are not Nazi symbols, but it's the only known usage for 70 years in the western world.

No. I signed up around the first of February actually haven't found anything worth replying to yet. Maybe they decided to make the s rune part of their unit since people seem to have a problem with its usage before this.

[hard@work]

There is a dark cold pit in hell reserved for those who worship the SS. And there are more of us here willing to take up arms against the nazi fascists than not. Something for the fascists to think about when drumming up ideas that the liberty movement has a place for them. The vast majority of the liberty movement would rather die than see a world where fascists have a say in governance.

Like hell, there is a place for fascists within the liberty movement --a cold and dark one.

http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/grandparents.jpg

[GunnyFreedom]

There is a dark cold pit in hell reserved for those who worship the SS. And there are more of us here willing to take up arms against the nazi fascists than not. Something for the fascists to think about when drumming up ideas that the liberty movement has a place for them. The vast majority of the liberty movement would rather die than see a world where fascists have a say in governance.

Like hell, there is a place for fascists within the liberty movement --a cold and dark one.

http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/grandparents.jpg

Do you...seriously...believe that these kids were worshipping the Nazi SS? :rolleyes:

They are kids, and they thought the symbol looked 'cool,' and not one of them probably even had grandparents around to remember Nazism first hand. I bet the most they thought of it in reference to Nazis was that it would evoke fear. Was it stupid? No question. However it's also stupid to assume that a bunch of 19 and 20 year old kids are trying to use the symbol to resurrect an ideology that went kaput 70 years ago.

To them, it's just cool and scary, and since scout-snipers are cool and scary too it works in their universe.

They have been using the SS symbol for scout snipers for some-odd 30 years now. The failure is a failure of leadership to put the kibosh on it since anybody with more than two brain cells to rub together should have known that this was going to blow up one day.

But assuming these kids were proto-Nazis is just ignorant. I bet if you go back in history and look hard enough, you can find some sort of atrocities committed by the Ryuku Kingdom in Okinawa, and therefore claim that the Hidari Gomon symbol in your avatar means you support those atrocities too.

I don't support the use of the SS logo by these kids or scout snipers in general, it's blatantly stupid. But then so is your post accusing them of worshipping Nazis.

[eduardo89]

So I'm guessing Kiss is anti-semitic too? Even though Gene Simmons (real name Chaim Weitz) is an Israeli Jew...

http://www.wearyourbeer.com/images/Kiss_Logo_Black_Shirt.jpg

[Bosco Warden]

So I'm guessing Kiss is anti-semitic too? Even though Gene Simmons (real name Chaim Weitz) is an Israeli Jew...

http://www.wearyourbeer.com/images/Kiss_Logo_Black_Shirt.jpg

Yep, KISS was four "Self hating" Jews, just like Chomsky. You see it everywhere today.

[Lishy]

Geez, dat overreaction.

[AngryCanadian]

Oh Great like in Bosnia :(

[NidStyles]

I love the moronic term - "Self-Hating Jew". I heard it all of the time when dealing with the Jews against Israel. Most people are not aware that there several sects of Judaism, just like Christianity. Not all of them get along, and to say that they must get along is further collectivism.

I do not condone the usage of the SS symbolism, but Teutonic mysticism is rather prominent in the Combat arms.

People tend to over react when they see the symbolism used outside of the NDSAP party. I myself have worn the skull, and I'm of Germanic descent. I have no affiliation of the NAZI party and do not hold it's belief's in any shape or form. My ancestry is directly from the Hessians during the Revolutionary war. My Great-great-great-great-Grandfather was brought over as Grenadier. He wore the Skull then. Most of the Uniform, pins and awards are still in the family.. The skull has been around and in use since the days of the Roman Empire.

The skull literally means that you are willing to fight to the death.

[bkreigh]

I love reading these threads today then tomorrow ill read other threads telling folks to vote for RP cause he raised the most donations from military folks. Make up your mind assholes!!!

[PierzStyx]

This entire thread is a huge example of Godwin's Law in action.

[PierzStyx]

you signed up just to make this post?

It's true that runes are not Nazi symbols, but it's the only known usage for 70 years in the western world.

Oh bull. I really hate when people make the Hitler comparison. It is almost always about someone who is nothing like Hitler and instead of making that person evil, it devalues the horror of The Holocaust.

[onlyrp]

Oh bull. I really hate when people make the Hitler comparison. It is almost always about someone who is nothing like Hitler and instead of making that person evil, it devalues the horror of The Holocaust.

I said nothing to that sort.

[RickBelmont]

So I'm guessing Kiss is anti-semitic too? Even though Gene Simmons (real name Chaim Weitz) is an Israeli Jew...

http://www.wearyourbeer.com/images/Kiss_Logo_Black_Shirt.jpgOMG! Gene Simmons is war, and war is the state....lol

OMG OMG OMG Kiss wants to kill Jews. lol

[JK/SEA]

I knew what a swastika, and what SS meant when i was in grade school, but as a 10 year old kid it was excusable to chalk these symbols on sidewalks, but you still got a whipping from dad for it, but as a U.S. Marine there is no excuse. Thousands of american soldiers were killed to eradicate Nazism.

[pcosmar]

Thousands of american soldiers were killed to eradicate Nazism.


They failed miserably. National Socialism is alive and flourishing,

And this is further proof of how close we are to becoming the same thing that we once fought.
(if the fight wasn't just for show)

:(

[awake]

Armies can not destroy an idea unfortunately, only reason can.


They failed miserably. National Socialism is alive and flourishing,

And this is further proof of how close we are to becoming the same thing that we once fought.
(if the fight wasn't just for show)

:(

[moderate libertarian]

Above scout snipers group is not same one that was urinating on dead Afghan's bodies in recently leaked video, is it?


The Pentagon said it is investigating a video made public Wednesday that appears to show four U.S. marines urinating on the bodies of three dead men dressed in Afghan clothing.

In the video, which was posted on YouTube and the celebrity gossip site TMZ, the four men dressed in combat gear and Marine uniforms unzip their pants and urinate on what appear to be bloody bodies.

A caption beneath the video identified the men as members of a scout sniper team assigned to 3rd Battalion, 2nd Marines, out of Camp Lejeune, N.C.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1114366





It's true that runes are not Nazi symbols, but it's the only known usage for 70 years in the western world.

Yep, same is true of other "nazi symbol" swastika that is a pre-Christian symbol considered holy by billions of people in India.

http://images.travelpod.com/users/bangkokrandy/17.1256007745.hotel-swastika---headquarters-of-local-nazi-pa.jpg

http://heathenworld.com/swastika/Images/india-jainflag.gif

http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&gbv=1&q=india%20swastika


U.S. Navy building looks like a swastika

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/files/images/NavySwastika.jpg


By CAROLYN MARSHALL
Published: September 27, 2007
The Navy plans to spend $600,000 for “camouflage” landscaping and rooftop adjustments so that 1960s-era barracks at the Naval Base Coronado near San Diego will no longer look like a Nazi swastika from the air.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/us/27swastika.html



Amos sorry for Marine use of Nazi SS logo
By Dan Lamothe - Staff writer
Posted : Friday Feb 10, 2012

Commandant Gen. Jim Amos has ordered an investigation of the scout sniper community’s usage of the notorious Nazi SS organization’s logo after a platoon in Afghanistan displayed it with the U.S. flag.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2012/02/marine-amos-apologizes-for-scout-sniper-nazi-ss-logo-021012/

[moderate libertarian]

OMG! Gene Simmons is war, and war is the state....lol

OMG OMG OMG Kiss wants to kill Jews. lol

I thought he supported bloodshed of war that killed large number of Iraqis and occupation of Palestinians by Israel if I'm not mistake. Don't think he is into racism ideologies but he never spoke out against bombings in occupied areas as an Israeli.

[oyarde]

This has been around for quite a while. It's not like they were trying to glorify the Nazis. I'm not saying it's a good idea, but they were doing this well before 9/11:

http://webspace.webring.com/people/eu/um_4195/

It's really a failure of leadership who should have known it was going to blow up some day. Most likely the folks who did this were counting on it 'striking fear into the hearts of the enemy,' and 'fear is the mind-killer.' It's not like they were trying to glorify Nazis or demonstrate antisemitism, They were just trying to evoke fear in their enemies. The idea being if you can evoke fear in the enemy, you are more likely to survive and achieve victory, while the enemy is more likely to die in defeat.

So yeah, it was a dumb idea, but they were doing this in the 1990's at least, maybe as far back as the 70's. The failure wasn't with this one squad, but with leadership who should have known this was a PR disaster waiting to happen and put a lid on it a decade ago or earlier. I agree , poor Leadership if they could not figure out that would be bad PR.

[GunnyFreedom]

I thought he supported bloodshed of war that killed large number of Iraqis and occupation of Palestinians by Israel if I'm not mistake. Don't think he is into racism ideologies but he never spoke out against bombings in occupied areas as an Israeli.

You, sir, should win an award for one of the most ironic examples of proving the guy's point to whom you were responding... ;)

[eduardo89]

U.S. Navy building looks like a swastika

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/files/images/NavySwastika.jpg


By CAROLYN MARSHALL
Published: September 27, 2007
The Navy plans to spend $600,000 for “camouflage” landscaping and rooftop adjustments so that 1960s-era barracks at the Naval Base Coronado near San Diego will no longer look like a Nazi swastika from the air.




Google maps it
3446–3494 Bougainville Rd
Coronado‎ California‎ 92155
United States

[oyarde]

They failed miserably. National Socialism is alive and flourishing,

And this is further proof of how close we are to becoming the same thing that we once fought.
(if the fight wasn't just for show)

:( Pete is correct about the flourishing National Sovialism , I wish he was not correct this time , but it is what it is.

[oyarde]

I have a particular dislike for Nazi beliefs .

[Athan]

http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/grandparents.jpg
Actually, they started to once the war was over.
But I admit that the baby boomer and gen-X was a lot more of a pro-fascists voters. Apples fell far from the tree even though they were driven by envy of the WW2 vets.

[moderate libertarian]

Here we go again, another leak in he middle of operation enduring freedom:



WASHINGTON -- Following last week's embarrassing controversy involving Marines displaying a flag with what appeared to be a Nazi insignia, American and Afghan soldiers have alleged that an Army base near Kandahar was named Combat Outpost "Aryan," a term evocative of Nazi rhetoric.

In a letter to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta on Monday morning, lawyers representing the Military Religious Freedom Foundation demanded that Panetta immediately rename the base and launch an investigation into its naming. "The horrendous religious and ethnic connotations are beyond dispute, as is the horribly wrongful nature of either the base name or the use of the SS insignia," wrote Randal Mathis of the Dallas law firm Mathis, Donheiser and Jeter.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/13/afghanistan-base-nazi-name_n_1273444.html



You, sir, should win an award for one of the most ironic examples of proving the guy's point to whom you were responding... ;)

Any award that has anything to do with irony I will accept gladly :)

[oyarde]

Here we go again, another leak in he middle of operation enduring freedom:




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/13/afghanistan-base-nazi-name_n_1273444.html




Any award that has anything to do with irony I will accept gladly :) If they let me name a base in Kandahar it would probably be bad as well .