US troops in Afghanistan pose in front of NAZI Schutzstaffel banner.

[Anti Federalist]

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/TjNoR1HFjHi27c7cawx3BA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Y2g9NzkwO2NyPTE7Y3c9MTUwMDtkeD0wO2 R5PTA7Zmk9dWxjcm9wO2g9MzMyO3E9ODU7dz02MzA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/ddb8b2530ae0be04060f6a706700ef26.jpg

http://news.yahoo.com/us-marines-posed-nazi-symbol-afghanistan-185101573.html

[Cowlesy]

Guy on the right has a nice Barrett, in fact, there are a lot of bad-ass rifles there.


Edit: Ah, SS stands for "Scout Snipers" which now makes sense. Probably a bad idea to use a symbol like that which I think will sound the general alarm for the PC cops.

[Czolgosz]

White people.










Lol! :D

[A Son of Liberty]

"Global Force for Good"

[Anti Federalist]

Guy on the right has a nice Barrett, in fact, there are a lot of bad-ass rifles there.


Edit: Ah, SS stands for "Scout Snipers" which now makes sense. Probably a bad idea to use a symbol like that which I think will sound the general alarm for the PC cops.

LoL - I appreciate the effort, and there are some kick ass rifles in that shot (too bad the riflemen behind them will be equally at ease shooting at us when the time comes) but I'm not going to accept the idea that somebody made a banner that stood for "Sniper Scouts" and used the exact same SS runes that Himmler chose.

They knew what http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Schutzstaffel_SS_SVG1.1.svg/16px-Schutzstaffel_SS_SVG1.1.svg.png meant.

[tfurrh]

Saw that this morning....

If we don't have anything better to do than take lewd pictures, and piss on dead people, WHAT ARE WE STILL DOING OVER THERE!?

BRING THE TROOPS HOME!

[moderate libertarian]

First there were reports of some soldiers killing civilians for sport/cutting their body parts for souvenirs, then there was video leaked of some marines urinating on dead afghan bodies and now this photo leaked with nazi symbol?
Iraq war supporters were motivated by greed, revenge, racism but does support of Afghan war also include racism motive and not just reconstruction/freedom for Afghanistan?


Guy on the right has a nice Barrett, in fact, there are a lot of bad-ass rifles there.


Edit: Ah, SS stands for "Scout Snipers" which now makes sense. Probably a bad idea to use a symbol like that which I think will sound the general alarm for the PC cops.

What such symbolism represents is well known, this is PROBABLY a bad idea? Hope you were not defending such action from "PC" critique.

Edit to add:
Above scout snipers group is not same one that was urinating on dead Afghan's bodies in recently leaked video, is it?


The Pentagon said it is investigating a video made public Wednesday that appears to show four U.S. marines urinating on the bodies of three dead men dressed in Afghan clothing.

In the video, which was posted on YouTube and the celebrity gossip site TMZ, the four men dressed in combat gear and Marine uniforms unzip their pants and urinate on what appear to be bloody bodies.

A caption beneath the video identified the men as members of a scout sniper team assigned to 3rd Battalion, 2nd Marines, out of Camp Lejeune, N.C.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1114366

[Aratus]

there are people in the pentagon who served under the WWII greatest generation so it is not an ignorant fluke. its up there with britain's harry
in that costume uniform that gave one the impression he was toying with nazism quietly like his briefly reigning great-great uncle did in his tyme.

[AbVag]

LoL - I appreciate the effort, and there are some kick ass rifles in that shot (too bad the riflemen behind them will be equally at ease shooting at us when the time comes) but I'm not going to accept the idea that somebody made a banner that stood for "Sniper Scouts" and used the exact same SS runes that Himmler chose.

They knew what http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Schutzstaffel_SS_SVG1.1.svg/16px-Schutzstaffel_SS_SVG1.1.svg.png meant.

Yup. It meant they were a K I shy from wearing makeup and playing Detroit Rock City.

[Bosco Warden]

I posted this on my forum and one of my member posted this.


That doesn't symbolize anything with Nazi's.... That's the Corp's S/S for Scout - Sniper. I know- I went through the school in Camp Pendalton. When you graduate - they brand the back of your calf with it.

But war is hell. What do they want a Rainbow or Unicorn banner?

Just like the SS and Nazi's were the aggressor in WWII as we are now. I see the similarities.

[donnay]

http://www.waffen-ss.com/images/image_page_propaganda2.jpg


They are so in our face anymore! It's disgusting!!

[RiseAgainst]

Does this surprise anyone? Many of the people I served with would have happily served under Hitler, by own personal admission. They are addicted to the 'heroics' of battle, and Hitler did an exceptional job of instilling pride in service among his men.

[onlyrp]

Just like the SS and Nazi's were the aggressor in WWII as we are now. I see the similarities.

are you calling our troops trigger happy murderers?

[Pericles]

there are people in the pentagon who served under the WWII greatest generation so it is not an ignorant fluke. its up there with britain's harry
in that costume uniform that gave one the impression he was toying with nazism quietly like his briefly reigning great-great uncle did in his tyme.

Actually, there aren't, and that is part of the problem. The last WWII vets left active duty in the 1970s and the reserves in the 1980s. You don't even have anyone left in the service who served with a WWII vet, and you don't see Vietnam vets (common when I was on active duty), and a Sandbox I vet is a rarity.

This leads to what COL David Hackworth called CRS syndrome (Can't Remember Shit) as the institutional memory banks get cleaned out too quickly.

In current military PC talk, these Marines demonstrated poor Situational Awareness - in English - that was stupidly poor judgement.

[Bruno]

are you calling our troops trigger happy murderers?

That would be quite the generalization, but there are certainly many that are, and will who will even piss on the bodies of the dead and tell them to have a nice day afterwards, all while videotaping it for futher perverted joy.

[heavenlyboy34]

are you calling our troops trigger happy murderers?
This is the general purpose of training in professional armies throughout history. Those not desensitized to murder will not be willing or capable to follow orders to do so.

[awake]

I will say it time and again...the military mind is the "new socialist man" in operation - Marxism in its purest form. Any one who has been in the military has experienced socialism firsthand. The difference is, that if all of society were run like armies, 50% the worlds population would starve, and who ever remained would live hand to mouth; hordes roaming the Earth in a kill or be killed existence - pure Darwinism. The most violent and ruthless would survive in a decent into the ranks of the animal kingdom.

Many do not realize it, but they have lived in a prototypical totalitarian society - service to one's country.

[youngbuck]

I'll give the Scout Snipers the benefit of the doubt on this one. I think the form in which the "SS" appears on the flag is in poor taste, but I won't venture beyond that.

[awake]

If war is literally hell, why do we worship it?

[moderate libertarian]

If war is literally hell, why do we worship it?

Many neocons want to go to hell err war.


Great question. + rep

[Pericles]

This is the general purpose of training in professional armies throughout history. Those not desensitized to murder will not be willing or capable to follow orders to do so.

Was that comment base don you vast amount of military experience?

[Pericles]

If war is literally hell, why do we worship it?

"It is well that war is so terrible, else we should grow too fond of it." - Robert E. Lee

[heavenlyboy34]

Was that comment base don you vast amount of military experience? You don't need military experience to make this judgement. Look at what the "rulers" and trainers say.

[NidStyles]

Why was my post removed?

[heavenlyboy34]

If war is literally hell, why do we worship it?
War is how States bully each other and acquire plunder and generally "thrive". War is the health of the State, and a sacrament of state-worship.

[eduardo89]

I once got in trouble in grade 6 for using the same runes as the cover for my Social Studies binder...I thought it looked awesome, turns out the Nazi's ruined them for everyone.

[RickBelmont]

LoL - I appreciate the effort, and there are some kick ass rifles in that shot (too bad the riflemen behind them will be equally at ease shooting at us when the time comes) but I'm not going to accept the idea that somebody made a banner that stood for "Sniper Scouts" and used the exact same SS runes that Himmler chose.

They knew what http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Schutzstaffel_SS_SVG1.1.svg/16px-Schutzstaffel_SS_SVG1.1.svg.png meant.You think those Marines would be happy shooting Americans? That's a disgusting comment. Take your meds...

Explain to us how those are Nazi? The Nazi's stole runes (and symbolism from everywhere). Armanen runes go back to ancient Nordic times. But of course nobody talked to the Marines, they just used them for projection.

Runes are pre-Christian European, whats so wrong with taking possession of them?

Nothing has been said about gangs in the US military tho:
http://www.military.com/news/article/2011/fbi-says-gangs-infiltrating-the-us-military.html

Those are ACTUAL gang members.

[RickBelmont]

You don't need military experience to make this judgement. Look at what the "rulers" and trainers say.What "rulers" and "trainers"? Noticed you didn't provide any links.

With that said, I can't imagine you being in the military ever.

[RiseAgainst]

You think those Marines would be happy shooting Americans?

Yes, it's what they've been trained to do. The majority of the men I served with would not even take a moments hesitation when they were in the service, I can't say that I would have either. We were trained to follow orders, and when the orders come to engage domestics, they will do so.

Since getting out, many have seen different, as have I.


That's a disgusting comment. Take your meds...

It's a salient comment, take off your blinders.


Explain to us how those are Nazi? The Nazi's stole runes (and symbolism from everywhere). Armanen runes go back to ancient Nordic times. But of course nobody talked to the Marines, they just used them for projection.

Runes are pre-Christian European, whats so wrong with taking possession of them?

They are the symbol of the SS. The swastika has been used as a symbol of peace for thousands of years in many religions, are you to contend to me that wearing a swastika around today, especially in military uniform, invokes the thought of peace and not of Nazism?


Nothing has been said about gangs in the US military tho:
http://www.military.com/news/article/2011/fbi-says-gangs-infiltrating-the-us-military.html

Those are ACTUAL gang members.

And your point? I'm FAR more concerned about the increase in militarism and it's intertwining with the police state than I am about some gang bangers in the military. When we have stopped the police state and it's full frontal assault on the people I will gladly work with you on gangs in the military, deal?

[donnay]

You think those Marines would be happy shooting Americans? That's a disgusting comment. Take your meds...

Explain to us how those are Nazi? The Nazi's stole runes (and symbolism from everywhere). Armanen runes go back to ancient Nordic times. But of course nobody talked to the Marines, they just used them for projection.

Runes are pre-Christian European, whats so wrong with taking possession of them?

Nothing has been said about gangs in the US military tho:
http://www.military.com/news/article/2011/fbi-says-gangs-infiltrating-the-us-military.html

Those are ACTUAL gang members.

I think some would definitely follow orders to shoot Americans, and I don't need meds to state that fact. Due to the NDAA Bill--usurps Posse Comitatus Act of 1878.

Take a listen to what Stuart Rhodes has to say about the NDAA:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZCGrpkWWyg&feature=player_embedded#!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqxTt5nXeRQ&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DywbEvXhujs&feature=related


Of course there are gang members in the military, they definitely lowered the bar only because many kids were not volunteering. In other cases the military is the only option for these gang members to not be behind bars. Recruiters are definitely going into the ghettos and low income areas making their quotas too. With the economy the way it is, presently, most of these kids join the military because they are promised signing bonuses with a college education.

Would you widely accepted if they had a hammer and sickle logo? Or how about the swastika?

They are in your face! The arrogance of the Military Industrial Complex!

“Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it”
~George Santayana

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

[heavenlyboy34]

What "rulers" and "trainers"? Noticed you didn't provide any links.
pick any militarist you want. If a soldier isn't broken to follow orders, he won't fare well in combat. This is why the militias in this country have always been intended to be well-regulated.


With that said, I can't imagine you being in the military ever.
Irrelevant, but you really don't know anywhere near enough about me to make this judgement.

[Evangelical_Protestant]

I dunno. I'm against the wars we have started and I was marine corps infantry in Iraq and the Stan. But that ss logo has been around awhile in scout sniper platoons. The native Americans had swatikas, so did people in India. Those symbols were un related. Maybe this one is too. I don't think the people in the photo are trying to support the Nazi ss

[JK/SEA]

Too bad they blew up that large swastika when berlin was liberated, they could have mounted it on the white house, or the pentagon.

[donnay]

Too bad they blew up that large swastika when berlin was liberated, they could have mounted it on the white house, or the pentagon.

It's there, didn't you see it?

[/s]

[BUSHLIED]

Someone brought that flag with them and they all stood in front of it...I wonder what those men would say if asked what that flag means to them? Why don't they ask? In any event, I can see where some would without knowing the intention jump to Nazi flag etc...I suppose they are trying to say that they are elite...

[moderate libertarian]

Explain to us how those are Nazi? The Nazi's stole runes (and symbolism from everywhere). Armanen runes go back to ancient Nordic times. But of course nobody talked to the Marines, they just used them for projection.

Runes are pre-Christian European, whats so wrong with taking possession of them?


You are right in that Nazis took various symbols that existed way before. Just as you said runes are pre-Christian European, swastika is a pre-Christian symbol that is considered holy by billions of people in India. For sake of argument, let' say a group of soldiers posed in front of a swastika flag, would you defend it using same argument?

http://images.travelpod.com/users/bangkokrandy/17.1256007745.hotel-swastika---headquarters-of-local-nazi-pa.jpg

http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&gbv=1&q=india%20swastika



Too bad they blew up that large swastika when berlin was liberated, they could have mounted it on the white house, or the pentagon.

U.S. Navy building looks like a swastika

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/files/images/NavySwastika.jpg


By CAROLYN MARSHALL
Published: September 27, 2007
The Navy plans to spend $600,000 for “camouflage” landscaping and rooftop adjustments so that 1960s-era barracks at the Naval Base Coronado near San Diego will no longer look like a Nazi swastika from the air.

The resemblance went unnoticed by the public for decades until it was spotted in aerial views on Google Earth.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/us/27swastika.html

[libertarian4321]

This is the general purpose of training in professional armies throughout history. Those not desensitized to murder will not be willing or capable to follow orders to do so.

Soldiers are not trained to "murder," they are trained to engage and destroy enemy forces. We are specifically trained NOT kill non-combatants. Sometimes non combatants are killed unintentionally, sometimes soldiers fail to live up to the standards and kill innocent civilians. But we are NOT trained to "murder," nor are we desensitized to it, nor do most soldiers do it.

Have you ever served in the military, or are you talking out of your ass?

Don't bother to respond, we already know the answer...

[moderate libertarian]

Soldiers are not trained to "murder," they are trained to engage and destroy enemy forces.

While I agree to an extent with point you're making, but your view seems to be bit too sanitized about what happens in war aka "hell" as many pro war folks seem to see iy as.

Do you have some idea how many of people of people killed during Iraq and Afghan wars have been "enemy forces" and how many innocent civilians?

The soldiers who dropped bombs on Heroshima, Nagasaki and military that sent them in their minds were probably engaging and destroying enemy forces but we all know how many civilians were instantly burnt to death. Extreme argument but I thought it had to be pointed out that killing is what they are primarily trained for and distinctions between "enemy force" and "innocent enemy civilians" in the fog of war is not always so clear.

[CaptainAmerica]

Does this surprise anyone? Many of the people I served with would have happily served under Hitler, by own personal admission. They are addicted to the 'heroics' of battle, and Hitler did an exceptional job of instilling pride in service among his men. Many of which were butchers and rapists on the eastern front.

[CaptainAmerica]

I'll give the Scout Snipers the benefit of the doubt on this one. I think the form in which the "SS" appears on the flag is in poor taste, but I won't venture beyond that.

Right. You can pretend all you want that they didn't know exactly what they were doing.

[moderate libertarian]

Someone brought that flag with them and they all stood in front of it...I wonder what those men would say if asked what that flag means to them? Why don't they ask? In any event, I can see where some would without knowing the intention jump to Nazi flag etc...I suppose they are trying to say that they are elite...

Elitist PC reaction has begun.




Amos sorry for Marine use of Nazi SS logo
By Dan Lamothe - Staff writer
Posted : Friday Feb 10, 2012

Commandant Gen. Jim Amos has ordered an investigation of the scout sniper community’s usage of the notorious Nazi SS organization’s logo after a platoon in Afghanistan displayed it with the U.S. flag.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2012/02/marine-amos-apologizes-for-scout-sniper-nazi-ss-logo-021012/

It was commander in chief Obama or some other military commander who had said sorry for scout snipers urinating on boadies of dead Afghans if I'm not mistaken.