Santorum and Paul, the only 2 true Christians left? Paul is the only one.

[Gray Fullbuster]

This is a must use to tell the elderly and/or devout Christians along with talking points on why Santorums policies would be bad compared to Pauls, and revolve it around faith. The Paul "Life" video might be good. Explain that these are the only 2 left who hold any value in this area and Paul would be the better. (Golden rule foreign policy and also the "Pro-life, Anti-war, Anti-death penalty to conserve ALL life and conserve more money.)

Also mention that obviously Gingrich does not count due to the numerous things he has done to undermine their faith, more then just the wives thing, but also him getting voted out from being speaker because in tons of ethic charges, pitch the line, how can a guy have any christian values do such these things?

What do you think?:toady: The target audience like I said is Santorums support base which is made up of the Baptist, Catholics, etc. (Not Latter Day Saints, Romney has got them, and the Gingrich audience is skewed.) and also elderly who value strong family values. Weneed those votes

These talking points to this audience NEEDS to be emphasized.

[carterm]

define "christian." jesus wouldn't like war or imposition :) that leaves paul.

[Gray Fullbuster]

define "christian." jesus wouldn't like war or imposition :) that leaves paul.


Exactly, nor opression.

[CAdelegate]

lmao at Santorum being a Christian

Yeah I suppose Bush was Christian too right?

[Gray Fullbuster]

lmao at Santorum being a Christian

Yeah I suppose Bush was Christian too right?

People are picking him up as "that" guy. Look at his audience, when really Ron is the true faithful one.

That's why I made this post.

[Keith and stuff]

Gingrich claims to be a born again Christian (like Bush.) Romney is the candidate with the deepest known connections to Christianity as he is an Elder (or higher?) in his Church.

[nasaal]

Gingrich claims to be a born again Christian (like Bush.) Romney is the candidate with the deepest known connections to Christianity as he is an Elder (or higher?) in his Church.
America has a fear of LDS. Many don't even view them as Christians. Personally religion matters to me as much as a fishing tournament, but America loves to scream about religion. I know this stuff matters when it comes to voting. For me personally, that is a sad thing.

[Gray Fullbuster]

Gingrich claims to be a born again Christian (like Bush.) Romney is the candidate with the deepest known connections to Christianity as he is an Elder (or higher?) in his Church.

It is mostly Protestants and Catholics who are Santorums voters, there is no use in my opinion trying to reach out to Romneys base on faith issue, and Gingrich has too many immoral and unethical things to be seen remotely as a viable candidate for the groups mentioned above.

[Matthew5]

Some Christians don't view Catholicism as "Christian" either. So Paul is an Evangelical's natural choice if someone is basing their vote on religion.

[unklejman]

Some Christians don't view Catholicism as "Christian" either. So Paul is an Evangelical's natural choice if someone is basing their vote on religion.

This is true. The thing is, these people don't know he's Catholic. I didn't know it until I looked it up on my own. But I have brought that up on Facebook to people saying "To God be the glory" about Santorums caucus sweep.

[Gray Fullbuster]

Sorry for not putting this in the right forum by the way Mr.Mod who moved it, I thought Grassroots mighta been okay because this is a persuasion type dealio!

[RonPaulMall]

This is true. The thing is, these people don't know he's Catholic. I didn't know it until I looked it up on my own. But I have brought that up on Facebook to people saying "To God be the glory" about Santorums caucus sweep.

Yeah, Evangelical Leaders have really dialed down their criticism of Roman Catholics to the point many of the dimmer Evangelicals don't even understand Catholics are the enemy. This would have been easier back in the 80's when ministers referred to the Pope as the anti-Christ and preached against the dangers of Catholicism on a regular basis. Maybe you should clue your Evangelical friends in to websites like this guy's (http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/hail_mary_hail_satan.htm), who eloquently writes, "Catholics have religion without righteousness, teachings without truth, churchianity without Christianity, and crucifixes without Christ." I'm not religious, and would never use religious arguments to push for Paul (other than the point that only Paul will protect the free exercise of anyone's faith), but if you are hanging around a bunch of Evangelicals voting for Santorum on religious grounds, it might be a good tact to take.

[Matthew5]

Actually, I may have stumbled on why Santorum is getting so much evangelical support: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foster_Friess

Red, White, and Blue Fund is his Super PAC.

[unklejman]

I'm not religious, and would never use religious arguments to push for Paul (other than the point that only Paul will protect the free exercise of anyone's faith), but if you are hanging around a bunch of Evangelicals voting for Santorum on religious grounds, it might be a good tact to take.

I don't like doing it myself, albeit I am a Christian, but often times it's the only thing Christians care about unfortunately.

[Keith and stuff]

Actually, I may have stumbled on why Santorum is getting so much evangelical support: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foster_Friess

Red, White, and Blue Fund is his Super PAC.

I think it is his hatred for Muslims and gays and his support for the traditional family combined with his extreme love for Israel.

[Matthew5]

I think it is his hatred for Muslims and gays and his support for the traditional family combined with his extreme love for Israel.

Isn't it nice how hatred can bring us together? :p

[JJ2]

Santorum is a Catholic. Paul is the only Evangelical Christian in the race.

I really believe that if you did a survey of Republican primary voters, most of them would think that Santorum is an Evangelical and they would probably say that Paul is an atheist or something.

Perception matters.

The facts need to be spread.

[cdc482]

aren't Santorum AND Gingrich both Catholic?

[JJ2]

aren't Santorum AND Gingrich both Catholic?

Yes.

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Paul is the only evangelical...and that is not up for debate. Romney is Mormon, and Rick and Newt are Catholic.

[tennman]

Just from a marketing standpoint, it sure wouldn't hurt to mention that Paul is baptist. Since Christians are such a large number of the GOP. I think most people don't know much about Paul's religion.

[lasenorita]

Sen. Santorum certainly has the "religious" credentials:


A former Santorum aide told New York Times Magazine in 2005 that the senator was "a Catholic missionary who happens to be in the Senate." That same year, Time magazine named him one of America’s "25 Most Influential Evangelicals."

Imho, the problem isn't that Santorum is Catholic or an evangelical or whatever. What's alarming is when he wields his political power to favor his religious group over others — especially American veterans.


from How Rick Santorum Ripped Off American Veterans (http://anonym.to/?http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/01/how-rick-santorum-ripped-off-american-military-veterans):


A controversial land deal by the presidential candidate robbed a vets' home of tens of millions of dollars.

…

To grapple with its worsening shortfall, officials running the Home eyed a valuable, 49-acre piece of land worth $49 million as a potential financial lifeline.

…

Under one scenario, by leasing the parcel of land and letting it be developed, the Home could pocket $105 million in income over 35 years for its trust fund, David Lacy, then-chairman of the Home's board of directors, told Congress in 1999. Lacy stressed that the Home wanted to keep the property, and not offload it to a buyer. "Once land is sold," he said, "it is lost forever as an asset."

…

Enter Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Penn.). At the behest of the Roman Catholic Church, and unbeknownst to the Home, Santorum slipped an amendment into the 1999 National Defense Authorization Act handcuffing how the home could cash in on those 49 acres. The amendment forced the Home to sell—and not lease—the land to its next-door neighbor, the Catholic University of America.


from the STROM THURMOND NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT FOR FISCAL YEAR 1999 (http://anonym.to/?http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/olc/docs/1999NDAA.pdf):


SEC. 1043. CLARIFICATION OF LAND CONVEYANCE AUTHORITY, ARMED FORCES RETIREMENT HOME.
The sale under subsection (a) shall be made to a neighboring nonprofit organization from whose extensive educational and charitable services the public benefits and has benefited from for more than 100 years, or an entity or entities related to such organization, and whose substantial investment in the neighborhood is consistent with the continued existence and purpose of the Armed Forces Retirement Home.



from The Coldest War (http://anonym.to/?http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/17046/the-coldest-war) (an article in April 2, 1999):


But the challenges from within are not what has the home's residents feeling most wounded. Catholic University covets a 49-acre parcel for an expanded campus and for church-related facilities. Soldiers' Home officials have long been counting on this valuable property not for a one-time sale but for a leasing arrangement, so the land can be developed for a steady flow of revenue. Last October, though, Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) made a flanking maneuver and sneaked an amendment onto the defense-spending bill that would force the home to sell to the Archdiocese of Washington.

The predicament has infuriated residents, many of whom, like Woods, are Catholic. They see in this brazen attempted land grab the final insult after a careerlong series of broken promises.



from CUA Completes Purchase of 49 Acres Adjacent to Campus (http://anonym.to/?http://publicaffairs.cua.edu/news/04FortyNineAcresFinal.htm):


University Buys Largest Open Parcel of Land in D.C. from Armed Forces Retirement Home

The Defense Authorization Act of 2000 authorized the AFRH to sell or lease with an option to buy the 49-acre plot. The Congressional legislation also gave Catholic University the right to match a bona fide highest bid.


… continued from the Rick Santorum and Veterans (http://anonym.to/?http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/01/how-rick-santorum-ripped-off-american-military-veterans) article:


Ultimately, the Catholic Church bought 46 acres of the tract for $22 million. The Home lost the land for good, and by its own estimates, pocketed $27 million less than the land's value and $83 million less than what it could've made under the lease plan. Santorum's amendment sparked an outcry from veterans' groups and fellow US senators, who barraged his office with complaints.

…

Laurence Branch, then the executive director of the Home's board, says Santorum's amendment was "a travesty" and the Church's lobbying for the land a case of "coveting thy neighborhood's goods." To this day, Branch says he blames Santorum for the Home not receiving more money for the 49-acre parcel of land. "I'm convinced Sen. Santorum is no friend of veterans," Branch says. (A spokesman for Catholic University did not respond to a request for comment.)


Oh, but in Sen. Santorum's defense:


At the time, Santorum said the amendment was the product of "a consensus agreement" and "was certainly not an attempt to shortchange the veterans." (A spokesman for the Santorum campaign did not respond to multiple requests for comment.)


So maybe it was just yet another one of those "unintended consequences." :rolleyes:

Whatever the case, I'm not at all comfortable with any official favoring one group over another to the detriment of our national interests. And in this particular case, Santorum seems to have used his authority to benefit his religious connections. :confused: :(

[PierzStyx]

Gingrich claims to be a born again Christian (like Bush.) Romney is the candidate with the deepest known connections to Christianity as he is an Elder (or higher?) in his Church.

Romney is a "high priest". In the LDS faith that is the last priesthood position one can be given before one becomes authorized to serve as a church representative on a worldwide scale. But it has allowed him to serve in 2 positions in the church roughly similar to a Catholic priest and bishop.

[Matthew5]

Sen. Santorum certainly has the "religious" credentials:
Imho, the problem isn't that Santorum is Catholic or an evangelical or whatever. What's alarming is when he wields his political power to favor his religious group over others — especially American veterans.


Unfortunately, wielding that power for favoring religious groups is a huge plus. I just received the Republican platform for the state of Oklahoma to be approved at our county meeting and it's filled with religious requirements.

[Zarn Solen]

You guys are looking to push for group mentality. The relationship between Catholics and Protestants has been strained way too much since Martin Luther. It doesn't need to be worse.

[Adam West]

What a Farce! The rest of the World laughs.

[evadmurd]

Evangelicals, for the most part, are without a clue regarding what they should or should not support politically. They (we) are the sheepest of sheep.

[Constitutional Paulicy]

Sen. Santorum certainly has the "religious" credentials:



Imho, the problem isn't that Santorum is Catholic or an evangelical or whatever. What's alarming is when he wields his political power to favor his religious group over others — especially American veterans.


from How Rick Santorum Ripped Off American Veterans (http://anonym.to/?http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/01/how-rick-santorum-ripped-off-american-military-veterans):




from the STROM THURMOND NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT FOR FISCAL YEAR 1999 (http://anonym.to/?http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/olc/docs/1999NDAA.pdf):




from The Coldest War (http://anonym.to/?http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/17046/the-coldest-war) (an article in April 2, 1999):





from CUA Completes Purchase of 49 Acres Adjacent to Campus (http://anonym.to/?http://publicaffairs.cua.edu/news/04FortyNineAcresFinal.htm):




… continued from the Rick Santorum and Veterans (http://anonym.to/?http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/01/how-rick-santorum-ripped-off-american-military-veterans) article:




Oh, but in Sen. Santorum's defense:




So maybe it was just yet another one of those "unintended consequences." :rolleyes:

Whatever the case, I'm not at all comfortable with any official favoring one group over another to the detriment of our national interests. And in this particular case, Santorum seems to have used his authority to benefit his religious connections. :confused: :(

Wow. Thanks for taking the time to post that.

[deputydon]

I'm going to run for President just to see how far I can get trying to explain how just because I'm not a man of any particular religion or faith, doesn't mean I'm planning to abolish everything that is religion.

I'd imagine I'd suggest taking federal benefits away from married couples seeing as how it's generally considered a religious ceremony.


This is what cracked me up in a Pro Santorum rave on CNN's Facebook page. A guy actually said he was against gay marriage because all they want are the married couple benefits and most of them don't actually love each other. I had to laugh my ass off. He's telling me there aren't straight married people that just married because of some type of benefit? What about Green card marriages? Or married people that used to love each other but have since lost the love in the relationship so they just put up with each other? Maybe we should just ban marriage all together then. I'm sorry, but if that's the only reason someone is against gay marriage, they have absolutely no right to even talk. The Churches don't want taxed, but they want federal benefits for what is essentially a religious ceremony.

I'm 100%, NOT against religion in itself . If people have faith in something, then thank (their) God. It's rare to find people in today's world that truly believe in something. But I have one problem with, not even Religion, but the people (obviously not all of them, but a select few) of Religion. Oddly enough, it's mainly JUST Christian/Catholic ideology.

If you don't follow their religion, you are a sinner and are doomed to hell unless you give you convert and confess. My response to something like this? Look, I grew up with a family that went to church a couple times of month, but I was only about 7 or 8 years old. My family did not put religion as a focus for something I should learn and believe in. So even though both of my parents claim to be Religious, neither ever consistently went to church, and neither of them really behave or act like religious people should, theoretically act. I've seen this in many people. I grew up with friends that had 'religious' parents, when I told them I was essentially Atheist, they flipped out. But these two are people that don't attend church, they curse, they swear, but they have five children, and all of them have turned out just fine.

My parents, to throw out a degree of honesty, are insane. If a religious person knew the things they've done, they would run screaming in fear that they might be smited just for being near them. But I turned out just fine, as did my brother and sister. Side note to this story, I don't really call myself an Atheist, because Religion is something I just NEVER think about in the slightest. I don't walk around saying I don't believe in God, or make fun of religious people. It's just something that never really pops into my head ever. For instance, when someone sneezes, the words "God Bless you," never pop into my head. Does that really make me a sinner? Or when they announced the People running for, I don't know, President of the United States, I don't wait eagerly to hear what religion they are. I don't care. And to be even more honest, if someone that WAS a muslim (NO Obama is NOT a damn muslim) was running for office, I would support them if I actually believed in what they were running for. If Ron Paul was a Muslim, but had the exact same beliefs that he has now, I would still support him. Religion to me, it's an after thought of an after thought.

But let's say I was Mitt Romney, only an Atheist. People would immediately put me off to the side. An Atheist for President? hahahahah what a joke, right? Right? Why? What about being an Atheist really upsets people THAT much? Not to float my own boat, but I'm a pretty nice guy. I'm more honest than most religious people I've met. Let's put it this way, I know a couple mothers that actually do claim to be Christians. They go to church, they have dinner at the dinner table with their family every night. But those same mothers are the moms that try to dress like they are in high school, the same moms that let their 14 year old daughter where a pair of sweatpants that say 'slut' on their backside. The same mom's that live for crappy television shows like Jersey shore, and let their daughters watch trashy tv shows like Sixteen and pregnant. I know a girl, that comes from a very religious family, that first had sex when she was TWELVE. TWELVE YEARS OLD. I'm sorry, but in this day and age being Religious for, what seems like, 90% of the United States is nothing but a label put upon one's self to boost self esteem for all the crap they do wrong.

As I finish this rant up, I seem to have really lost the purpose of what I was trying to get at, but I guess I'll just sum it up like this. I'm not a parent yet, I'm 21 years old, and as being one of the only real 'Atheist' (in this case, not just claiming to praise 'Our Lord and Savior') that I know of, I'm still one of the only few that hasn't had a child before I was ready and prepared for one. I know someone that was completely pro life, claimed she would never in a million years have an abortion. She found out she was pregnant, two days later she had an abortion. My point? When I eventually have kids, hopefully a Son and a Daughter, I'm not going to blame television, video games, or the government if they do something severely wrong. I'm going to blame MYSELF for being a terrible parent, because my game plan for raising my children is to be Responsible.

I'm sorry, but I'm not giving my 13 year old daughter a cell phone so she can send naked pictures to some guy that spreads them around the school because she was naive enough to believe he'd 'never show them to anyone.' I'm not going to let my son sit inside and play Call of Duty all day. I'm going to go outside and play catch with him. I'm going to teach my kids to do the common sense things my parents never taught me to do well, like eating healthy and getting plenty of exercise. I'm not going to let my children watch terrible 'reality' television shows that give them some false sense of what the 'real world' is like. I'm 21 years old. I grew up playing video games, I honestly didn't get a great education because I was rather lazy when I was in high school. I didn't care, I was working full time paying rent for my Mom so she had a place to live. Now how many people on here would call be a bad person after telling a story like this if I were running for President? If I poured my heart on out on stage that I truly do believe in the important family values. Now what if I ended that story with the words, 'By the way, I'm an Atheist.'

[unknown]

Of-course hes the only Christian. He doesnt lie and believes in peace.