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Krtek
02-03-2012, 01:28 AM
and parlay it into votes in Nevada.

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/16665444/romney

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Romney also said he doesn't support legalizing online gaming. He's says he's against it because of the social costs and people's addictive gambling habits.

At 8:15 of the following interview Santorum says:

"Gaming is not something that is beneficial .... vices on the internet that tend to grow exponentially ... it would be dangerous for our country to have that type of access"

http://www.lasvegassun.com/videos/2012/jan/31/6265/

Sheldon Adelson, owner of the Venetian and Palazzo, opposes online poker strongly. Adelson to oppose online poker legalization, deals severe blow to chances: http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/ralstons-flash/2011/dec/06/adelson-oppose-online-poker-legalization-deals-sev/ As we know, he has donated 10 million, or more to a Newt Gingrich super pac. Adelson and Gingrich have had a relationship with each other since the 1990's.

Lastly, Ron Paul interview at 17 minute mark Ron explains his support for online gaming:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uQ2g3BYL18Q

affa
02-03-2012, 01:32 AM
I think a video dedicated to this issue would be very useful. Online poker is definitely a down to earth, easy to understand, introduction to legalization of freedom that speaks to a ton of people.

Krtek
02-03-2012, 01:35 AM
I made a few threads on 2+2 poker forums. It gets a lot of traffic.

Pocketfives, zynga poker, where else could this be spread effectively? Leggopoker, cardrunners, bluefire poker, other training sites (not sure if they allow non paying members to post on all these forums).

Syntax
02-03-2012, 01:42 AM
Upvote this on reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/p8vum/romney_wants_to_prohibit_americans_from_gambling/

Krtek
02-03-2012, 01:45 AM
here is one of the threads I made on 2+2 poker:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/57/poker-legislation/ron-pauls-stance-online-poker-1161940/

VCU for Ron Paul
02-03-2012, 01:57 AM
Jesus I love this man. Idiot Neocon: "Can you beat Romney?" Paul: "Possibly" Idiot Neocon: "How do you beat him?" Paul: "Get more votes." LMAO! :D Full Tilt NL and PLO cash games payed my rent, cell phone bill, for my groceries and for fun/bar tabs my first 2 years in college before, my mom was happy haha, until the DOJ swooped in and froze all American accounts, effectively stealing 3k from me that I'm not likely to ever see again unless a miracle happens with all the bs involved. :(

Krtek
02-03-2012, 02:02 AM
Jesus I love this man. Idiot Neocon: "Can you beat Romney?" Paul: "Possibly" Idiot Neocon: "How do you beat him?" Paul: "Get more votes." LMAO! :D Full Tilt NL and PLO cash games payed my rent, cell phone bill, for my groceries and for fun/bar tabs my first 2 years in college before, my mom was happy haha, until the DOJ swooped in and froze all American accounts, effectively stealing 3k from me that I'm not likely to ever see again unless a miracle happens with all the bs involved. :(

Ya, it sucks I lost 35k when it happened.

Krtek
02-03-2012, 02:07 AM
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VCU for Ron Paul
02-03-2012, 02:15 AM
edited, don't want to hijack thread topic too much

Yeah good idea Krtek, I was about to respond and was thinking the same thing then you took the words out of my mouth, haha. Is Paul heavily endorsed on 2+2 do you know Krtek? I'd assume so, if not, I'm on it.

Krtek
02-03-2012, 02:33 AM
Yeah good idea Krtek, I was about to respond and was thinking the same thing then you took the words out of my mouth, haha. Is Paul heavily endorsed on 2+2 do you know Krtek? I'd assume so, if not, I'm on it.

I'm not really sure. I would think since they are generally younger internet people and they pay attention to politics for legislation purposes that they would be more behind him then the general population.

Krtek
02-03-2012, 02:56 AM
definitely some knowledgeable people on 2+2, like this guy that has over 2000 posts:

The real question is why people continue to try to call Ron Paul unelectable.

He's scoring incredibly well amongst the demographic that led to a clear Obama victory - the young / independent voters. Interestingly many people were also stating matter-of-fact that Obama was also an 'unelectable' candidate.

A very interesting article on this exact topic: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...ntial-election

Newt Gingritch is somebody that's unelectable. He has basically 0 appeal to independents and young voters, and once again - those will be the people deciding this election. Even Romney has the same problem to a lesser degree. In Iowa the only age group he won was 65+. But given that 30% of the Iowa caucus goers were 65+, that was enough to ensure a victory for him. His base is dying and he has minimal appeal to the demographics that will decide who is the next PotUS. Ron Paul has a base that is rapidly growing and scores incredibly well amongst the people that will decide who the next PotUS is. Yet he's the unelectable one? Don't eat everything you're fed.

SCOTUSman
02-03-2012, 03:16 AM
I don't know if this would do any good in Nevada. Nevada and their casinos are obviously adamantly opposed to online gambling...for the very reason that it detracts gamblers from making the visit to Vegas.

But this is another issue about personal liberty and choices...about small government staying out of one's decisions good or bad. Ron is always on the right side of liberty. It is sad that he gets attacked for it.

Rfalcon51
02-03-2012, 06:27 AM
Should we tweet the big name pro poker players who have twitter accounts this information, and see if a couple will promote it?

Most pros, even those who played in Vegas, spent a lot of time playing online.

Hyperion
02-03-2012, 06:27 AM
Ron's support for legal online poker is why I voted for him last time in 2008. It's a great issue for Ron to highlight as the UIEGA affected a ton of people who are probably apolitical, but it's certainly important enough for us to vote for people who support us on the issue.

jeremiahj13
02-03-2012, 06:31 AM
I'm a poker guy :D

Slobodan
02-03-2012, 06:34 AM
I played a few poker tournaments (was on the WPT travel channel once) maybe this is an issue I can campaign on here in Florida since my opponents are all for telling people what is "moral" and what they should not do and take the liberty to forbid them.

I wonder how much money Ron gets from Poker Players?

Varin
02-03-2012, 06:47 AM
For people with 2+2 accounts good place for some Paul love.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/mitt-romney-does-not-support-online-gaming-1161920/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/ron-paul-supports-online-poker-dont-forget-vote-him-if-important-enough-1161945/

Revolution9
02-03-2012, 07:43 AM
I am not a gambler but see no reason why folks cannot do this. If someone has the skillz and a bit of luck they can parlay a small pot into a fortune. They will spend that into the economy. Those no good at it will lose their pot and that is what is called tough luck. They will learn or they will stop due to lack of funds. Is the issue here really that they have a hard time tracking poker winnings to tax them?

Rev9

mosquitobite
02-03-2012, 07:45 AM
I am not a gambler but see no reason why folks cannot do this. If someone has the skillz and a bit of luck they can parlay a small pot into a fortune. They will spend that into the economy. Those no good at it will lose their pot and that is what is called tough luck. They will learn or they will stop due to lack of funds. Is the issue here really that they have a hard time tracking poker winnings to tax them?

Rev9

Probably. The government also likes to have a monopoly on gambling.

Hyperion
02-03-2012, 08:20 AM
The reason online was banned was due to the federal government getting none of the cut.

It's always entertaining to hear some neocon preach about the values of free market economics and how we should be able to do what we want with our money yet support banning online poker. Poker is basically the free market rolled into a card game. Hedge funds,venture capital and stocks are cool but somehow a game based on logic,good judgement and value isn't. It's infuriating and frankly insulting.

The casinos are very shortsighted in their opposition to legal online gambling. Very few gamblers will use online exclusively for their action. Occasionally it's good to play with real people, real cards in a casino. Back in the heyday of online poker, casinos were packed with people. There were waiting lists to get into games as the pool of players grew exponentionally. Once the ban really started to take hold, much of the action in Tunica dried up(sure the economy hurt, but less access to online action also played a role into this). The bottom line for the casinos is that a bigger pool of players who have more gaming options is far better than having a monopoly with substantially fewer players.

dean.engelhardt
02-03-2012, 08:27 AM
I am not a gambler but see no reason why folks cannot do this. If someone has the skillz and a bit of luck they can parlay a small pot into a fortune. They will spend that into the economy. Those no good at it will lose their pot and that is what is called tough luck. They will learn or they will stop due to lack of funds. Is the issue here really that they have a hard time tracking poker winnings to tax them?

Rev9

+ Rep.

I enjoyed playing online poker. I am among the majority of online poker players that do not consider it as a source of income, but a source of entertainment. I have never seen an actually report of an online poker player in financial ruin caused by gambling addiction. These hardcore gambling addicts are sitting in front of a slot machine in a casino with direct ties to a state government.

Social ruin from online poker is right up there with al Qaeda in Cuba.

RonPaul101.com
02-03-2012, 09:17 AM
I don't like promoting this at all right now.

Think about it online gaming is competition for Vegas, not an enhancement. Do you think all the blackjack dealers and workers in a casino/hotel want people ot have a home casino?

doctorfunk
02-03-2012, 09:32 AM
I don't like promoting this at all right now.

Think about it online gaming is competition for Vegas, not an enhancement. Do you think all the blackjack dealers and workers in a casino/hotel want people ot have a home casino?
I don't think it really hurts the casino industry too much. It increases the pool of players and gives those new to the game some confidence before sitting down at a live table. There is also the social atmosphere that you don't get online.

Dr_SCN
02-03-2012, 09:36 AM
I don't think this is a position that needs to be emphasized by the Ron Paul campaign. For all of the people who benefit or enjoy online gambling, there are a lot of others (parents, spouses, children, gamblers themselves) who are negatively affected by people who are addicted to gambling.

RonPaul101.com
02-03-2012, 09:38 AM
I don't think it really hurts the casino industry too much. It increases the pool of players and gives those new to the game some confidence before sitting down at a live table. There is also the social atmosphere that you don't get online.

I agree with your theory, but in practice it's the big casino owners who pay for the lobbyists to fight online gambling. Dollar for dollar majority of gambling is disease, not atmosphere. Do alcoholics still go to bars, yes. Would they go more often if you could not have booze at home, HELL YES.

Krtek
02-03-2012, 11:56 AM
I don't know if this would do any good in Nevada. Nevada and their casinos are obviously adamantly opposed to online gambling...for the very reason that it detracts gamblers from making the visit to Vegas.

But this is another issue about personal liberty and choices...about small government staying out of one's decisions good or bad. Ron is always on the right side of liberty. It is sad that he gets attacked for it.

The idea is to target people that are specifically into poker, not the general public. People on poker forums, another person had an idea about tweeting the big name poker players. That is a very good idea, for their followers this is a big issue. They need to know how the candidates stand and that their are caucuses coming up.

justatrey
02-03-2012, 01:18 PM
Poker Player's Alliance has been active politically for a while now, and on their facebook page their last update is the Santorum interview where he makes it clear he does NOT support our right to play online.

http://www.facebook.com/theppa

Also, the PPA made this statement about Paul in 2008. We need to make sure the poker community knows he is on their side:

In keeping with his Libertarian philosophy, Congressman Paul is a proud supporter of our cause. Rep. Paul has supported and sponsored pro-poker legislation, and has also made time to visit with PPA grassroots members, poker celebrities, and citizens lobbyists every time we have asked. His credentials on allowing adults the freedom to play poker are unblemished.

Source: http://theppa.org/headlines/2008/01/11/the-leading-presidential-candidates-records-on-poker/