Be careful! RPF Scammer revealed!

[Jeremy]

Please review this thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?355582-SCAM-Help-pitch-in-to-get-Maine-Voters-for-paul-to-the-caucuses!!!!

You guys were quick to find out that the OP was a scammer, but digging a little deeper we found that the topman guy has an IP match with him. So it appears that even he called himself a scammer... Be careful!

Topman was also raising money here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?342585-Miami-Billboard-and-Newspaper-ads-In-Florida

Edit: Lesson is don't donate to new members.

UPDATE: He PMed me and said he will return the money: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?355952-Be-careful!-RPF-Scammer-revealed!&p=4103570&viewfull=1#post4103570

[libertythor]

+rep Is the ip from an isp or from a proxy?

[Jeremy]

The guy was also raising money for a bilboard here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?342585-Miami-Billboard-and-Newspaper-ads-In-Florida!!

Who donated to him?

[PauliticsPolitics]

Jeremy: can you also look into member "neverseen" - he was the one who orginally vouched for the scammer.
See: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?342585-Miami-Billboard-and-Newspaper-ads-In-Florida!!&p=3907127&viewfull=1#post3907127

[RileyE104]

The guy was also raising money for a bilboard here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?342585-Miami-Billboard-and-Newspaper-ads-In-Florida!!

Who donated to him?

I almost donated to that a few weeks ago... Thankfully I didn't.

I just hope the project that I DID donate to wasn't a scam.. It was for a billboard in South Carolina having to do with the 11/11/11 MoneyBomb..

[Jeremy]

+rep Is the ip from an isp or from a proxy?
US IP, so not a proxy as far as I can tell. But maybe he will try that next.

[fmarz1]

what does neverseen have to say? He supported him....(2nd post in that billboard ad thread)

[Sentinelrv]

The guy was also raising money for a bilboard here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?342585-Miami-Billboard-and-Newspaper-ads-In-Florida!!

Who donated to him?

Oh wow, I fell for that. Glad I didn't donate to him.

[eleganz]

wow.......................screw this....disgusting...good looking out people.

[kill the banks]

Jeremy: can you also look into member "neverseen" - he was the one who orginally vouched for the scammer.
See: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?342585-Miami-Billboard-and-Newspaper-ads-In-Florida!!&p=3907127&viewfull=1#post3907127

wow ur good !

[libertythor]

Luckily he slipped up with something so illogical as being able to drive hundreds of people in his car to the caucus when all caucus voters have to be present at the same time. At most you can make a few trips an hour before a caucus and maybe get a dozen people there, but even then that is impractical.

[Intoxiklown]

DO we have his address? I'll take gas donations to go drag him around by his left eyebrow, and see how long a man can live with his testicles in his mouth.

[Jeremy]

Jeremy: can you also look into member "neverseen" - he was the one who orginally vouched for the scammer.
See: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?342585-Miami-Billboard-and-Newspaper-ads-In-Florida!!&p=3907127&viewfull=1#post3907127

No IP matches with these two and he appears to be from Florida, while Topman appears to be from California (?). Of course, in reality, this could all be some sort of misunderstanding. But I would definitely not give my money to something this fishy.

edit: Nvm... definitely a scammer. See the rest of this thread. FB pic was from google.

[Muwahid]

Wow! He scammed 500 dollars? :(

[Razmear]

If this is a scam, he is doing it on FB also:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/ronpaulsupportbomb/permalink/290434957680970/

[PauliticsPolitics]

Someone want to let the dailypaul know?
http://www.dailypaul.com/198576/help-us-here-in-florida-with-a-miami-billboard-and-newspaper-ads

[tsai3904]

If this is a scam, he is doing it on FB also:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/ronpaulsupportbomb/permalink/290434957680970/

I've seen his posts on the major Ron Paul Facebook pages consistently asking for money for the last couple months.

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

Our grassroots army is generous which is an amazing thing that I hope never changes but I would encourage everyone to be careful with which grassroots projects you get involved with. Don't be afraid to ask questions and if you have any doubt than ask around to some established members who you trust to get their opinion. We need to always support each other and that includes watching each others backs for scammers who wish to take advantage of our generosity and enthusiasm.

[Carehn]

What an evil dude. People should pitch into my anti-paulscamming project ASAP. LOL

I hope no one got burned.

[Czolgosz]

One important credo I follow with regards to doing business online is to use a person's reputation on the given forum as a basis for whether or not I should trade with him/her. I hope nobody gave money to somebody with a dozen posts on RPF.

[IterTemporis]

No IP matches with these two and he appears to be from Florida, while Topman appears to be from California (?). Of course, in reality, this could all be some sort of misunderstanding. But I would definitely not give my money to something this fishy.

Where in California? I recall that the IP of the guy who ran the ronpauldonations scam site was also located in California.

[mello]

Someone want to let the dailypaul know?
http://www.dailypaul.com/198576/help-us-here-in-florida-with-a-miami-billboard-and-newspaper-ads

I think that it would be better to contact the FBI instead because I believe he committed multiple felonies. ;)

[Edward]

Might be a silly question, is there a master list somewhere keeping track of these scams/scammers?

[PauliticsPolitics]

Everyone be wary of this Ron Jones dude on FB.
It seems to be a fake name and certainly a fake picture (do a google image match on it, it's just some "cute guy" picture all over the internet)
So again, be wary of this account:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002468804354&sk=wall
(http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002468804354&sk=wall)
It seems like he has tryed to gain some credibilty by joining and posting on a bunch of Ron Paul related FB pages...
But most of his posts are just trying to fund these scam projects, and notice he has no other life besides pushing the scams and posing as an RP supporter.

[eduardo89]

No IP matches with these two and he appears to be from Florida, while Topman appears to be from California (?). Of course, in reality, this could all be some sort of misunderstanding. But I would definitely not give my money to something this fishy.

This is topman's fb https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002468804354

[PauliticsPolitics]

This is topman's fb https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002468804354
Yea, that's pretty clearly a scam page with a fake pic, see my post above.

[specsaregood]

Where in California? I recall that the IP of the guy who ran the ronpauldonations scam site was also located in California.

Yup and located in redondo beach, ca.

[Jeremy]

Everyone be wary of this Ron Jones dude on FB.
It seems to be a fake name and certainly a fake picture (do a google image match on it, it's just some "cute guy" picture all over the internet)
So again, be wary of this account:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002468804354&sk=wall
(http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002468804354&sk=wall)
It seems like he has tryed to gain some credibilty by joining and posting on a bunch of Ron Paul related FB pages...
But most of his posts are just trying to fund these scam projects, and notice he has no other life besides pushing the scams and posing as an RP supporter.
I did a tin eye search of his profile picture and didn't find anything. So I don't think it's a picture he got from google.

[Muwahid]

Mods should discuss guidelines for funding requests, min amount of posts, activity, join date,etc. or be vouched for, by someone who knows them that has credible reputation here. a little regulation, never hurts ;)

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

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[PauliticsPolitics]

I did a tin eye search of his profile picture and didn't find anything. So I don't think it's a picture he got from google.
Do a google image match.
you will get (for example, plus many more)
http://fortheloveofboys.tumblr.com/post/8341558657
(http://fortheloveofboys.tumblr.com/post/8341558657)http://cuteguyss.tumblr.com/post/12864307781
(http://cuteguyss.tumblr.com/post/12864307781)http://cuteboyshair.tumblr.com/post/11271473937/cuteguys101-ricky-massey


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[Jeremy]

Do a google image match.
you will get (for example, plus many more)
http://fortheloveofboys.tumblr.com/post/8341558657
(http://fortheloveofboys.tumblr.com/post/8341558657)http://cuteguyss.tumblr.com/post/12864307781
(http://cuteguyss.tumblr.com/post/12864307781)http://cuteboyshair.tumblr.com/post/11271473937/cuteguys101-ricky-massey

:eek:

[cstarace]

[/URL]http://cuteboyshair.tumblr.com/post/11271473937/cuteguys101-ricky-massey
"Reblogged from: 'You Had Me At Swallow'" rofl.

[eduardo89]

I did a tin eye search of his profile picture and didn't find anything. So I don't think it's a picture he got from google.

I did the same and didn't find anything. It doesn't matter though, because he could have gotten it off someone else's fb or a million other websites. It's pretty clear it's a scam though. We should report this to Facebook and the FBI

[Danny Molina]

These asshole parasites make me sick.

[eduardo89]

Where in California? I recall that the IP of the guy who ran the ronpauldonations scam site was also located in California.

Did anything happen to that guy?

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

the guy should seriously try to make this right before karma catches him out there

[PauliticsPolitics]

I did the same and didn't find anything. It doesn't matter though, because he could have gotten it off someone else's fb or a million other websites. It's pretty clear it's a scam though. We should report this to Facebook and the FBI
Do it with google image match.
Does this work for you, I am not sure if google image-match results are linkable:
https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZitR9WfW4j2jPce4i5_1B1hWA-4gvEUAKWBA8WrOFYeoUrx1GyIk7E8tG5JylRcPTNsqqGG8uwoo SENoQV8LCZqSd3_1-ZnoZ5xYwgUcvuvQH793s0JlaC7aI-1melQIqTUJB8Gsmq1ObNsGU5JuWlXgxJEcjQlyfGptJVtxR_1H BZeVckcrwXUTwcMDidkDoTdXzDkYFw18G2RD4qU4OvHNpctb5Q 9FI0HobzyUb8NTSs-FglNRDJCGcmCxQRMCxKOpJ9XJxZETUQYopYcgiiyUstZ5uAdIn rITU2JEPbsK97MvzBqi9poBAz1QGxdXz9ZhQgOUPpq_1Cgp_1a jj7qv5MO9k7MbYcpee21W1G3wUM1MyqgDrk9hacl5XiHPdkKYw NpkDrYAY2JJYMWPBuTPHjNDcHkgxntSttrZLP19JlIfxxD5-s_1pSK35GrLJV4CsDziSwlFARm3k40QwR-m6LEHpFntIo7LObsYRmSHzsGky3KjGLlCtVNjyL2VO3IuAwfFW J-a0wNm99p2Iu6Ye_19nd7VJ9jPFfbygsHqwbxxCki5Z95KuK5Ix 2cFMIW1BVMorgdVwcjHk7hFHpQtRCxbQ5FTeYJ_1HrSmfe14DL 4aulMtfZJwhni3d_1sBPZqQ0jtD44n8H_11B2_1uLu5cNejdrE cU50caS7XU9Kjaks3L3oJuu6WSD-a_1YL-f_1u9ULZbK_1kUfAjggssrSNmrG0_1I9KeUCXMg7w7FzA5wycg IZEVZH9QYCwfAU9DtXMWM4xkxg5vppUcpW_19cQ0VS9AHaEpTd R_1J_1wBrgPAwIA8CO_1ZAVYE-97OvBEwhUodEjL9MHvq1rDV0BbSS55he2mbWO9kJHkHPPFuH_1 dR3kvwayF4Q3fxFk-237XWoPrYaV2JtWt7WqyVS01DyvgFK1grao8kPmKNOn5pd-3-UJ_1utsrtj_1BUilXA-4I6KyH_1N7StnVmV3zuHyzkuU6Csz7F_1hiFkeSKAmZgoaNrdh fueGwGwqpExFyRb86AT_1bMycIcCg5OWR19qtYxFrQX-NOM7HWEhL36zRF1rBfryDICgC51A6_1Iwny9BsoGGksj_1847o lndEc3Lvsc6RPq2wyQEjon-R_1yPVl89403yr9zSFQ06t7Qrwhc8cc7EKEvAXu0XHF4BcxZp8 qy9mHH3CuZjo4G3D7JlBfw7gH-oAVsAcGz2C4WGcGtkxHQ5KNao3Ss3A502ys7XdRrkWNq6LHjLH Dzr2RCPiFHciAxBboXD_1xHCNQ-jZqJco5eSMZcwLQhGatgMIsX6VRrYNW8fvK9DqT--tmo1UwaGkIjgNI2phtyIyQde2-Aku1u3XPgZHlzaljGzt0YcrGfSzNXRgGumODW0sVIWzwpQF5Cu NoW-rY8lIHHxzXVq6rA&hl=en&safe=off&biw=1600&bih=1109&gbv=2&site=search&sa=X&ei=GzMiT4bIKcXx0gGq0MHnCA&ved=0CEIQ9Q8

[cstarace]

I'd like to understand why anyone thought it'd be a good idea to contribute money to some random guy's ChipIn in the first place. I mean, c'mon now. We all like to bash the Superbrochure Project but when some douchebag with a post count of like 5 comes around and posts a few pictures of a print Endorse Liberty PAC ad and a billboard we throw $500 at him?

[eduardo89]

I reported his fb page

[PauliticsPolitics]

I'd like to understand why anyone thought it'd be a good idea to contribute money to some random guy's ChipIn in the first place. I mean, c'mon now. We all like to bash the Superbrochure Project but when some douchebag with a post count of like 5 comes around and posts a few pictures of a print Endorse Liberty PAC ad and a billboard we throw $500 at him?
I know, it baffles me too. I think it is because another forum member (hopefully mistakenly...) vouched for him on the billboard thing.

[steph3n]

Don't think the FBI will do anything unless he got over 5k from it, then it is a big issue.

[Michael Landon]

I reported his fb page

How did you do this and what did you say? I'm planning on doing it also.

- ML

[Gage]

If this is a scam, he is doing it on FB also:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/ronpaulsupportbomb/permalink/290434957680970/
I posted on this comment and in the group about this scam and linked to this thread.

[steph3n]

I know, it baffles me too. I think it is because another forum member (hopefully mistakenly...) vouched for him on the billboard thing.

I will vouch only for a couple people personally, RonPaulHawaii (whom I know personally, along with many others here), Gage (photographer!), and some I met at the 2007/2008 campaign work in NH. People should not just take random vouchings as the only way, people can setup multiple accounts.

[BrittanySligar]

I can't believe people gave over $500 to this guy.

[PauliticsPolitics]

How did you do this and what did you say? I'm planning on doing it also.

- ML
Click Report/Block at the bottom of the lefthand column.
Choose maybe: "This profile is pretending to be someone or is fake"

[parocks]

I'd like to understand why anyone thought it'd be a good idea to contribute money to some random guy's ChipIn in the first place. I mean, c'mon now. We all like to bash the Superbrochure Project but when some douchebag with a post count of like 5 comes around and posts a few pictures of a print Endorse Liberty PAC ad and a billboard we throw $500 at him?

Well, maybe the billboard person is pro superbrochure.

[cstarace]

Well, maybe the billboard person is pro superbrochure.
Even worse ;).

My main point was that the consensus around here is that the Superbrochure is a waste of money -- but at least we know it's legitimate. How some of our members could be so anti-superbrochure and refuse to give money to that cause, but then open their wallets for some random guy with a ChipIn account is beyond me.

[freakout9903]

Is it possible we rally Ron Paul forums users together and email blast the site that took donations/paypal about the event and see some money back? I think a few thousand of us would blast this wide open.

[Michael Landon]

I just reported his FB page.

- ML

[time4change]

Here is where to file a complaint with the FBI's Internet Crime Complaint Center:

http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

Mods have an IP address, and chances are this guy is not only scamming people here.

[BrittanySligar]

btw, neverseen is not a scammer. just naive. I'm in his tampa bay meetup group. I think he just got excited that someone was trying to do something like this in FL.

[PauliticsPolitics]

btw, neverseen is not a scammer. just naive.
Yea, that's the vibe I get. Seems like neverseen saw this dude all over facebook, so assumed it was all legit.
Regardless, we can't let such negligence get past us again.

[heavenlyboy34]

These asshole parasites make me sick.+9999999 The assholes make it harder for everyone else. :mad:

[squarepusher]

how do you guys know he is a scammer?

[Jeremy]

how do you guys know he is a scammer?Read through this thread and the thread I linked to.

[PauliticsPolitics]

Someone want to let the dailypaul know?
http://www.dailypaul.com/198576/help-us-here-in-florida-with-a-miami-billboard-and-newspaper-ads
Sorry to reiterate this, but can someone with a DailyPaul account make them aware of this?

[Razmear]

He now has a chipin for Nevada too, says expired, but his old florida billboard link now points here.
Can Chip-in be notified? Is there a way to get his paypal address? Can a hold be put on his funds?

http://floridaforronpaul.chipin.com/nevada-for-paul

[cstarace]

Someone should warn the folks over at the Dailypaul

Edit: looks like that's already been suggested

[BrittanySligar]

He now has a chipin for Nevada too, says expired, but his old florida billboard link now points here.
Can Chip-in be notified? Is there a way to get his paypal address? Can a hold be put on his funds?

http://floridaforronpaul.chipin.com/nevada-for-paul

BAAAHAHAH He forgot to change his florida username! FAIL!

[squarepusher]

Read through this thread and the thread I linked to.

I read through both threads, and it appears the evidence is that he has an IP address match to another poster?

[PauliticsPolitics]

I read through both threads, and it appears the evidence is that he has an IP address match to another poster?
Way more than that.
Fake facebook pages, accounts bumping eachother's threads, a billboard project which never happened, same IP address between two accounts both promoting scam fundraising... it's boring, but if you really want to know it all, you have to read this whole thread and the two threads linked in the OP.

[zHorns]

I read through both threads, and it appears the evidence is that he has an IP address match to another poster?

He ripped images off of Google for his fake profiles... his RPF accounts are new as well as his Facebook with only 1 photo. He never provided any proof and he wanted to drive people to a caucus which is the most ridiculous idea, since everyone has to be there at the same time, so he can take maybe 6 people...?

Also his account name "Ron Jones" is used on the Florida and Nevada chipin projects, but are were pitched by different fake 'people'.

His Facebook said he lived in Florida, but his photo was from an article of a Ron Paul supporter forced to take down Ron Paul signs from his home in New Jersey, while he was trying to get money to drive people around Maine. None of it made sense.

Plus other stuff, you just need to read the threads.

[squarepusher]

yeah. i saw that, he copied a photo of a New Jersery supporter and had a duplicate IP address. Once he learns to get a picture we can't track, and an IP spoofer then mauybe we will be fooled then?

[Jordan]

I'll donate to a chipin to sue him. Anyone up for it?

[PauliticsPolitics]

yeah. i saw that, he copied a photo of a New Jersery supporter and had a duplicate IP address. Once he learns to get a picture we can't track, and an IP spoofer then mauybe we will be fooled then?
Well, hopefully this is a $500 lesson for the forum to vet every chipin before a penny goes in.

[PauliticsPolitics]

I'll donate to a chipin to sue him. Anyone up for it?

Ha, I bet any minute now, a dude with a fresh screenname shows up and offers up a chipin for this!

[RonPaulFanInGA]

I've never donated to any chip-in for any "project", ever. Too many people got snookered here in 2008 with that phony race car.

[Jeremy]

Hey guys, he PMed me:


This is Topman.. I want you to please inform everyone im really sorry. Im 16 years old and i wanted to help... I will be giving everyone there money back, i will be making a post when i am accepted to tell everyone.. I am so sorry and that i will be sending them there money, back i wanted to help and try to get a billboard and newspaper ads and then when i figured out how much it really cost i was way short.. So i did the other chipin. I hope you can understand and forgive me, i took down the facebook knowing people would be trying to threaten me or something.. :(

[PauliticsPolitics]

Hey guys, he PMed me:
Yea, he sent me the same thing, from a fresh account.
It looks like he wants to come clean.
I'd still be wary.

[BrittanySligar]

Hey guys, he PMed me:

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[RonPaulFanInGA]

http://soshable.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Everything_went_better_than_expected.png

Maybe confirm he has returned all the money first? His new account could be for a chip-in to cover the Paypal fees to return all the money.

[PauliticsPolitics]

Maybe confirm he has returned all the money first? His new account could be for a chip-in to cover the Paypal fees to return all the money.
Paypal shouldn't charge the fee if he returns it as a personal transaction.

[cstarace]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg

Way to give 16 year olds a bad name.

[squarepusher]

yeah,. everyone should file a paypal dispute immediately if they donated on their accounts.

If the kid did come clean, then I give him some respect, let him make up by returning the money and saving some face. If hes a serial scammer then he should be cstrated

[PauliticsPolitics]

yeah,. everyone should file a paypal dispute immediately if they donated on their accounts.

If the kid did come clean, then I give him some respect, let him make up by returning the money and saving some face. If hes a serial scammer then he should be cstrated
He says he will make a thread apologizing once his account is approved; and return all the money. Hopefully that all happens.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Paypal shouldn't charge the fee if he returns it as a personal transaction.

My post was a joke, you didn't need to be so technical.

[Kregisen]

I just want to point out if I was caught scamming people for money, I would say I was a 16 year old kid who didn't mean to do it either to get out of fraud charges.

[cstarace]

I just want to point out if I was caught scamming people for money, I would say I was a 16 year old kid who didn't mean to do it either to get out of fraud charges.
Yeah, this. His story doesn't even make sense. He wanted to help so he made a fake Facebook account and a second profile? Seems deliberate and orchestrated to me.

[PauliticsPolitics]

I just want to point out if I was caught scamming people for money, I would say I was a 16 year old kid who didn't mean to do it either to get out of fraud charges.
Good point, that's true. Who knows?
Regardless, I should go to sleep for a while: I've had enough sleuthing for the night!
Hopefully it is all cleanly resolved.

[Aldanga]

I just want to point out if I was caught scamming people for money, I would say I was a 16 year old kid who didn't mean to do it either to get out of fraud charges.I've dealt with a lot of social engineers. This is par for the course and should not be believed.

Edit: and now he sends me a PM as well. Seriously, he is just playing everybody. 3-4 days will turn into a week, followed by excuses, then 2 weeks and more excuses, etc. Don't buy his BS. Nip this in the bud now.

[jkob]

I have to assume this is against the law. I don't care if this kid is 16 and gives all the money back, it needs to be reported regardless.

[orenbus]

Don't depend on him to return the money, Paypal has mechanisms in place for this very thing. Contact paypal directly to get your money back, chances are it hasn't even been processed completely yet and Paypal is holding onto the funds until a certain amount of time passes. Once that time passes it will be harder to get the money then, (if this person is a scammer) than it would be if people contacted Paypal now.

[cstarace]

I've dealt with a lot of social engineers. This is par for the course and should not be believed.

Edit: and now he sends me a PM as well. Seriously, he is just playing everybody. 3-4 days will turn into a week, followed by excuses, then 2 weeks and more excuses, etc. Don't buy his BS. Nip this in the bud now.
I received a PM too. His story is completely incoherent. I agree, don't waste time, contact Paypal and get our money back before too much time passes.

[squarepusher]

I have to assume this is against the law. I don't care if this kid is 16 and gives all the money back, it needs to be reported regardless.

what are you going to report exactly? That this kid said he was donating to drive people to support RPF, but instead his intention was to get a Billboard/newspaper ad for RP?

Donating to random chipin on the internet is not exactly protected by strict laws, since its voluntary. If you want your money back, goto paypal immediately, thats what its their for. I have legitimate customers for my business who file complaints on paypal when they shouldn't, but it screws me over till I settle the claim.


TL;DR get your money back, Caveat emptor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caveat_emptor)

In the future, get better verification for giving out money, or just give to the campaign.

[tsetsefly]

lol, and I said, send him some money :eek:

[mmadness]

Even worse ;).

My main point was that the consensus around here is that the Superbrochure is a waste of money -- but at least we know it's legitimate.

You so sure about that?

RevPac (heard of them?) has also disavowed Ron Paul Products, creators of the "Super" Brochures, because they screwed up the Super Voter Bomb project:

We'll never do business with Erik Petroni and Curt Schultz of Ron Paul Paul Products, and if you should choose to do business with them in the future that is up to you.
Details in this thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?333306-No-Worries-Super-Voter-Bomb-Mailing-in-Process

These are very strong statements from an official SuperPAC. To my knowledge they have not said anything else about any other "grassroots" project.

Plus here's a (pretty rude and defensive) response from Curt of Ron Paul Products in another thread when questioned nicely about the effectiveness of the brochures:





You are on the project, so you are living in a bubble of positive reinforcement. Many of the people calling you about how great the brochure is are probably young activist types that are already sort of on our side, correct? People that were turned off by the brochure wouldn't be calling you.

Curt says: WRONG. They are 60 plus (mostly women) who do not use the internet or computer.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?346841-Superbrochures-in-South-Carolina&p=3975372&viewfull=1#post3975372

60+ women calling to say the brochures are great? Really, then why didn't they end up supporting Dr. Paul?

According to this thread, of the Iowa vote breakdown, Ron didn't do very well with 60+ voters, scoring only 15% with 50-64 voters, and only 11% with 65+ voters.
http://i.imgur.com/KOTbN.png
Source: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?346018-Iowa-vote-breakdown-Age-and-income

So even looking past what RevPac said about Ron Paul Products, Curt's rude response, which is making it really hard for any objective person to trust/do business with Ron Paul Products, the stats prove the brochures are NOT WORKING (or someone is not telling the truth). The biggest stat so far: $150,000 of our money spent in SC for "Super" Brochures, Result: 0 delegates, 4th place finish. Thank god they weren't direct-mailed to NH where we finished a strong 2nd.

[devil21]

Im genuinely surprised that more people don't try these sorts of scams here but considering how fast they get outed I guess even scammers usually know when to find greener pastures.

Good work by all!! pm me for a +rep if you helped smash that bastard. I dont care how old he may be.

[parocks]

Even worse ;).

My main point was that the consensus around here is that the Superbrochure is a waste of money -- but at least we know it's legitimate. How some of our members could be so anti-superbrochure and refuse to give money to that cause, but then open their wallets for some random guy with a ChipIn account is beyond me.

I'll argue this for arguments sake, not really to do another anti superbrochure rant.

2 different projects.

1) Superbrochure. We know that they are sending superbrochures.
But the campaign says they hurt Ron Paul. So, yes we know they're doing something, but it's harmful.

2) Billboard. We don't know if they're actually going to be putting up billboards.
But we haven't heard that the Billboard is harmful. So, we don't

You can go back to the thread about the billboard, and you can read what people were saying about this billboard project. No one thought it was a scam, and the argument was whether a billboard in Florida was a good idea.

[parocks]

Im genuinely surprised that more people don't try these sorts of scams here but considering how fast they get outed I guess even scammers usually know when to find greener pastures.

Good work by all!! pm me for a +rep if you helped smash that bastard. I dont care how old he may be.

Did the billboard not go up? This person was caught because he personally was going to take hundreds of people to the polls at the same time, an impossibility, revealing that he didn't even know the procedures.

[devil21]

btw, neverseen is not a scammer. just naive. I'm in his tampa bay meetup group. I think he just got excited that someone was trying to do something like this in FL.

No offense to you personally but I don't usually trust the word of new posters with a young girl name and cute picture either. That's usually also a dead giveaway of a scammer or sock puppet too. Just sayin.

[devil21]

Did the billboard not go up? This person was caught because he personally was going to take hundreds of people to the polls at the same time, an impossibility, revealing that he didn't even know the procedures.

I don't know about the billboard.

I was reading the stuff about the fake Maine chipin. Im surprised we don't get more scammers here.

[affa]

No offense to you personally but I don't usually trust the word of new posters with a young girl name and cute picture either. That's usually also a dead giveaway of a scammer or sock puppet too. Just sayin.

given the fact that the pic is of a girl holding a bloody knife, my guess is that profile pic is from a movie. not that your point isn't valid anyway.

[SpicyTurkey]

Damn it. I hate when people do that, because it ends hurting those who are legitimate. I'm beyond pissed.

[devil21]

Jeez now Im getting PMs from someone apologizing. "Iamsorry2012"

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Everyone is getting private messages from the cozener, except me. :(

[neverseen]

Damn, I just caught wind of this from a facebook message that people were mentioning me. I'm on my way to work shortly, so I can't sit here and go through it all right this sec. I'll take a more through look at it as soon as I get home. You guys can search my started threads here and I'm sure you can come to the conclusion that I'm legit in my support. One of the posts even has my full name and email. Another has me mentioned in an article from the pasco straw poll I helped organize (not to mention the USF debate support I helped with).

I'm going to look back on the facebook wall, etc and see if I can get any more details or see if the posts were deleted, etc. The fellow I vouched for was a poster on one of the local ron paul groups. I didn't go further than looking at his facebook page and reading through his posts before I vouched. I understand that makes me look bad now. This is the first time I've encountered a scam online like this in a lifetime of being on forums. Naive and duped to say the least.

Like i said, i'll take a further look at this after work this evening to see if I can provide any more info about this person. I glanced through some pages of this and i see you guys vetted him pretty hard already so i'm not sure if i'll have anything new.

[IterTemporis]

Yea, he sent me the same thing, from a fresh account.
It looks like he wants to come clean.

Personally, it sounds fake to me. If he needed more money for the billboards, then why not just ask for more on the very thread that was created to raise funds for it? That part makes no sense: "I need more money for the billboards, so I will make a brand new account on RPF, a brand new FaceBook (use a random picture off of Google for a profile picture), and a brand new thread asking for money for a completely different reason, in a completely different state. As opposed to bumping my last thread, where I actually had someone vouch for me." The only part of him that sounds 16 is his grammar and punctuation..

[COpatriot]

Yeah the "I'm 16" story complete with awful grammar and a frowny face reeks of BS.

[brandon]

I have a scammer that I've been trying to reveal too but the mods and admins seem to be turning their backs to it because I believe he is friends with some of them.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?338013-Iowa-quot-Oath-quot-Ad-Campaign-Chip-In!

This is also a sock puppet account, the guy made an extremely misleading deceitful sales pitch asking for money. He raised almost $2,500 then abandoned the thread, kept the money, and I believe he is actually travelling the world right now throughout tropical islands, europe, etc. Not even joking....

[eduardo89]

Neverseen, you made an honest mistake and just like all of those who donated got duped. I don't fault you, just be more careful next time!

I think as punishment the scammer should not only give all the money back, but should also donate dollar for dollar to Ron Paul's campaign as penance.

We should in the meantime report his chipins an make sure he gets his IP and email blocked from starting chipins in the future.

[libertarian4321]

Edit: Lesson is don't donate to new members.

UPDATE: He PMed me and said he will return the money: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?355952-Be-careful!-RPF-Scammer-revealed!&p=4103570&viewfull=1#post4103570

Hopefully the money will be returned.

If not, I'm hoping someone on RPF has the skills to track this guy down and have him prosecuted.

[eduardo89]

Hopefully the money will be returned.

If not, I'm hoping someone on RPF has the skills to track this guy down and have him prosecuted.

We do.


I'm wondering, what happened to the guy from California who scammed Ron Paul supporters into donating? I know we got his name, address, IP, workplace details, email, phone, etc. I know lots of us reported him to the FBI, FEC, and local police. Did anything come of that?

[speciallyblend]

sorry to hear this was a scam. The biggest scam is the gop leadership.

[mello]

Neverseen, you made an honest mistake and just like all of those who donated got duped. I don't fault you, just be more careful next time!

I think as punishment the scammer should not only give all the money back, but should also donate dollar for dollar to Ron Paul's campaign as penance.

We should in the meantime report his chipins an make sure he gets his IP and email blocked from starting chipins in the future.

His punishment should be the FBI arresting his scamming ass & putting it in prison.

[eduardo89]

His punishment should be the FBI arresting his scamming ass & putting it in prison.

I agree. He took a couple grand from Ron Paul supporters with his phony website. I'm just wondering if anyone know what happened to him after we reported him.

[newbitech]

Damn, I just caught wind of this from a facebook message that people were mentioning me. I'm on my way to work shortly, so I can't sit here and go through it all right this sec. I'll take a more through look at it as soon as I get home. You guys can search my started threads here and I'm sure you can come to the conclusion that I'm legit in my support. One of the posts even has my full name and email. Another has me mentioned in an article from the pasco straw poll I helped organize (not to mention the USF debate support I helped with).

I'm going to look back on the facebook wall, etc and see if I can get any more details or see if the posts were deleted, etc. The fellow I vouched for was a poster on one of the local ron paul groups. I didn't go further than looking at his facebook page and reading through his posts before I vouched. I understand that makes me look bad now. This is the first time I've encountered a scam online like this in a lifetime of being on forums. Naive and duped to say the least.

Like i said, i'll take a further look at this after work this evening to see if I can provide any more info about this person. I glanced through some pages of this and i see you guys vetted him pretty hard already so i'm not sure if i'll have anything new.

^legit, as a long time pretty well known supporter and activist from 2007, I'll vouch for him. Even though I am weary of Ron Paul Products. The problems with the super brochure aren't the results of scamming. This has more to do with the campaigns disengagement with Florida going back to the creation of C4L and the rift between Florida activist and the campaign's choice to support a top down structure in Florida.

Anyways, I am not as big an activist this year as I was in 2007 due to personal reasons and money. But neverseen helped me connect with 2011-2012 Florida activities and deserves major credit for reaching out to RPF and organizing Florida supporters who use these forums.

[cstarace]

You so sure about that?

RevPac (heard of them?) has also disavowed Ron Paul Products, creators of the "Super" Brochures, because they screwed up the Super Voter Bomb project:

Details in this thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?333306-No-Worries-Super-Voter-Bomb-Mailing-in-Process

These are very strong statements from an official SuperPAC. To my knowledge they have not said anything else about any other "grassroots" project.

Plus here's a (pretty rude and defensive) response from Curt of Ron Paul Products in another thread when questioned nicely about the effectiveness of the brochures:



http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?346841-Superbrochures-in-South-Carolina&p=3975372&viewfull=1#post3975372

60+ women calling to say the brochures are great? Really, then why didn't they end up supporting Dr. Paul?

According to this thread, of the Iowa vote breakdown, Ron didn't do very well with 60+ voters, scoring only 15% with 50-64 voters, and only 11% with 65+ voters.
http://i.imgur.com/KOTbN.png
Source: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?346018-Iowa-vote-breakdown-Age-and-income

So even looking past what RevPac said about Ron Paul Products, Curt's rude response, which is making it really hard for any objective person to trust/do business with Ron Paul Products, the stats prove the brochures are NOT WORKING (or someone is not telling the truth). The biggest stat so far: $150,000 of our money spent in SC for "Super" Brochures, Result: 0 delegates, 4th place finish. Thank god they weren't direct-mailed to NH where we finished a strong 2nd.
You are missing my point. I don't endorse or support the Superbrochure, I think it's a waste of resources, and there is evidence out there that would suggest it actually hurts the cause of liberty. However, it's legitimate in the sense that we know they're actually being produced and sent. A billboard is a good idea, but in the case of this specific individual, there was nothing to suggest that he was legitimate... I don't know about you, but when some random guy pops up asking for money to put up a billboard, I'm not contributing to his ChipIn unless I know he's 100% for real. I wasn't trying to start a Superbrochure debate, I was just commenting on the ignorance of whomever actually contributed to this guy. Regardless, I hope they get their money back.


I'll argue this for arguments sake, not really to do another anti superbrochure rant.

2 different projects.

1) Superbrochure. We know that they are sending superbrochures.
But the campaign says they hurt Ron Paul. So, yes we know they're doing something, but it's harmful.

2) Billboard. We don't know if they're actually going to be putting up billboards.
But we haven't heard that the Billboard is harmful. So, we don't

You can go back to the thread about the billboard, and you can read what people were saying about this billboard project. No one thought it was a scam, and the argument was whether a billboard in Florida was a good idea.
Read above.

[cstarace]

Personally, it sounds fake to me. If he needed more money for the billboards, then why not just ask for more on the very thread that was created to raise funds for it? That part makes no sense: "I need more money for the billboards, so I will make a brand new account on RPF, a brand new FaceBook (use a random picture off of Google for a profile picture), and a brand new thread asking for money for a completely different reason, in a completely different state. As opposed to bumping my last thread, where I actually had someone vouch for me." The only part of him that sounds 16 is his grammar and punctuation..
Hey hey now. He doesn't rep all sixteen year olds. I can handle my grammar and punctuation just fine, thank you! ;)

[cstarace]

Edit: sorry double post

[PauliticsPolitics]

btw, neverseen is not a scammer. just naive. I'm in his tampa bay meetup group. I think he just got excited that someone was trying to do something like this in FL.


No offense to you personally but I don't usually trust the word of new posters with a young girl name and cute picture either. That's usually also a dead giveaway of a scammer or sock puppet too. Just sayin.


given the fact that the pic is of a girl holding a bloody knife, my guess is that profile pic is from a movie. not that your point isn't valid anyway.

Affa, I think you are confusing me and my avatar with others.
devil21 was referring to new member BrittanySligar.

I have been rocking my Buffy avatar since January 2008.
I also was one of the primary people to bust this scam.

I just wanted to clear any association with myself and noobness!
(Though I should also note, I have nothing against BrittanySligar or noobness in general.)

[RonPaulFanInGA]

I have a scammer that I've been trying to reveal too but the mods and admins seem to be turning their backs to it because I believe he is friends with some of them.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?338013-Iowa-quot-Oath-quot-Ad-Campaign-Chip-In!

This is also a sock puppet account, the guy made an extremely misleading deceitful sales pitch asking for money. He raised almost $2,500 then abandoned the thread, kept the money, and I believe he is actually travelling the world right now throughout tropical islands, europe, etc. Not even joking....

Okay, what? Nobody responded to this? Did the moderators look the other way while some person bilked thousands of dollars from members here for a luxury trip?

Also bumping this for anyone that may have given money to this guy's phony Florida billboard. File a complaint with Paypal, quickly.

[ryanmkeisling]

This was bound to happen eventually. It is incredible this doesn't happen more often. Be careful who you give money to! I am waiting to see if this person returns peoples money? Hopefully it works out and hopefully people on the forums will be more selective about who they donate to.

[IterTemporis]

Hey hey now. He doesn't rep all sixteen year olds. I can handle my grammar and punctuation just fine, thank you! ;)

I never said that all 16 year olds are like that :p.

[cstarace]

I never said that all 16 year olds are like that :p.
I know ;) Actually I guess I'll see just how well I can handle my grammar tomorrow. SAT!

[IterTemporis]

I know ;) Actually I guess I'll see just how well I can handle my grammar tomorrow. SAT!

I hope that your range of vocabulary is fairly large, for they use a plethora of different words in the reading section, that I had never once thought existed.

They like to mind boggle you in the writing section.

If you are adept at math, then it should be easy. None of my SATs had Calculus, however they did have a few questions on Pre-Calculus.

Good luck.

[cstarace]

I hope that your range of vocabulary is fairly large, for they use a plethora of different words in the reading section, that I had never once thought existed.

They like to mind boggle you in the writing section.

If you are adept at math, then it should be easy. None of my SATs had Calculus, however they did have a few questions on Pre-Calculus.

Good luck.
On my PSAT, I scored in the 97th percentile in Critical Reading, 72nd percentile in mathematics and 82nd percentile in Writing Skills. Good for an overall score within the 90th percentile. Math is obviously my weak point :P

But I've been practicing. We'll see :)

[neverseen]

I went through my messages from him back around the time of the miami post and i can't find anything. i went way back in the central fl group and i can't find anything there also. Annnnd as for my vouch, i re read it and it states the facts.


Ron's new here but he's a facebook member of our central florida group.


Both of those statements were true. Moot point i know. Other than my passionate defense of FL to the anti-fl zanzibar I didn't notice any other vouching. I'll be very careful of any further vouching from here out...

[speciallyblend]

I went through my messages from him back around the time of the miami post and i can't find anything. i went way back in the central fl group and i can't find anything there also. Annnnd as for my vouch, i re read it and it states the facts.



Both of those statements were true. Moot point i know. Other than my passionate defense of FL to the anti-fl zanzibar I didn't notice any other vouching. I'll be very careful of any further vouching from here out...

zanzibar is dishonest as well, he is on the forums under multiple ids and rpf is ok with it.

[ryanmkeisling]

zanzibar is dishonest as well, he is on the forums under multiple ids and rpf is ok with it.

There are plenty of users doing this, they know who they are and they are dishonest patriots. These users should be ashamed of themselves. I agree rpf should not allow this type of behavior.

[cstarace]

There are plenty of users doing this, they know who they are and they are dishonest patriots. These users should be ashamed of themselves. I agree rpf should not allow this type of behavior.
Every forum that I've ever been a part of have had strict rules (ie: ban) against multiple accounts under one IP address...

[speciallyblend]

Every forum that I've ever been a part of have had strict rules (ie: ban) against multiple accounts under one IP address...

trust me they do not here for some reason I have called zinzabar out several times as to who he is and i get an email from rpf warning me not to call him out. rpf is not the same anymore.

[cstarace]

trust me they do not here for some reason I have called zinzabar out several times as to who he is and i get an email from rpf warning me not to call him out. rpf is not the same anymore.
Oh I'm not doubting you, in a way I'm concurring. Not like I know who Zanzibar is but I do find it strange that multiple accounts on a single IP address would be permitted; totally inconsistent with typical forum etiquette.

[ryanmkeisling]

trust me they do not here for some reason I have called zinzabar out several times as to who he is and i get an email from rpf warning me not to call him out. rpf is not the same anymore.

I have never called any of these slime out but if I were to be threatened for doing it that would be the end of my relationship with RPF. It is a great place but not that great... That is eyeopening to hear, I am very disappointed by that.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

zanzibar is dishonest as well, is on the forums under multiple ids and rpf is ok with it.

Some animals are more equal than others.

It's one thing if Zanzibar was flying under radar while doing this. It's another to have this odd special exemption for this one member.

[MelissaWV]

ZanziCollins' Shadow is not really that big a mystery. I'm surprised people are dragging that into what should be an informational thread about the scam.

[rb3b3]

funny, when this thread was first posted, i read it, and scratched my head, it didnt make sense, but i didnt want to make a nasty comment becuase the last thing i ever do i say guilty if there isnt a FACT showing the guilt. In my eyes this dude was trying to steal funds that couldve went to DR PAUL!!!! TO ME THAT IS DISPICABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PauliticsPolitics]

I assume nobody actually got their money back from this scammer, right?
Just checking in on this thread to see if there are any updates.

[eduardo89]

Every forum that I've ever been a part of have had strict rules (ie: ban) against multiple accounts under one IP address...

What if you younger sibling lives with you and is also a RPF member?

From what I know, RPF doesn't IP ban.

[devil21]

What if you younger sibling lives with you and is also a RPF member?

From what I know, RPF doesn't IP ban.

Changing IPs isn't very difficult anyway.

[PauliticsPolitics]

Eh, why did this thread get turned into a thread about people having multiple accounts?
The perpetrator of the scam pulled the first scam by only having one account.
This thread is about resolving a specific scam, I feel the debate about people having multiple accounts is irrelevant.
In this case, the fact that the dude was dumb enough to make a second account was the fact that busted this case.
The problem is less so multiple accounts; the problem is chipins to unknown members.

[Ronulus]

What if you younger sibling lives with you and is also a RPF member?

From what I know, RPF doesn't IP ban.

You can usually tell if it's the same person or not. Individuals usually identify themselves as siblings or something. If the person was known to scam or has been banned and there is another account with an IP match it should be flagged, could even put these people on global ignore so they don't know they are banned, yet nobody can see their posts.

Also IP banning most forums don't do as it can end up blocking other people from accessing the site as well.

[cstarace]

Did anything ever come of this? Anyone get their money back?

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Did a single member get their money back?

[PauliticsPolitics]

Did a single member get their money back?
I'm not even sure if anyone donated from RPF. Or maybe they haven't found out the scam yet.
There is a chance that most of the $500 came from Daily Paul - the scammer was pushing it a lot harder there.

[eduardo89]

Did a single member get their money back?

I wrote to some guy on Facebook to tell him it was a scam and he said he'd gotten his money back.

[giovannile07]

Read this whole thread that I linked from the Ron Possible shirts thread, haha oh man seeing another side of Ron Paul Forums I've never seen before..., but yeah I think that guy is a big fat liar and scammer, makes no sense making so many accounts, new Facebook pages, saying they will drive a bunch of people to caucuses and trying to get billboards up in Florida, and acting super confident that they knew how much everything cost, obviously not a sixteen year old who underestimated how much a billboard costs. Pisses me off people who try to cheat other people. Hope he gets what he deserves...

[Professor8000]

Someone should check out User Gage... I think he may have scammed me out of $5 one time. He said he needed the money for a website or something, but I'm pretty sure he just got McDonalds with it. :mad:

[PauliticsPolitics]

Someone should check out User Gage... I think he may have scammed me out of $5 one time. He said he needed the money for a website or something, but I'm pretty sure he just got McDonalds with it. :mad:

I hope this is a satirical post.
Gage follows Ron Paul around taking quality photos for us all to enjoy.
He is a true RPF activist, artist, & archivist.
I find myself often looking through his Flicker: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gageskidmore/

(http://www.flickr.com/photos/gageskidmore/)He should certainly not be associated with the scum discussed in this thread.

[Professor8000]

I hope this is a satirical post.
Gage follows Ron Paul around taking quality photos for us all to enjoy.
He is a true RPF activist, artist, & archivist.
I find myself often looking through his Flicker: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gageskidmore/

(http://www.flickr.com/photos/gageskidmore/)He should certainly not be associated with the scum discussed in this thread.

It is satirical, but I'm still pretty sure he got food with the money I gave him... :p
I do enjoy his pics though. :D

[jtbraine]

fffffsdfdf

[Professor8000]

How do you know he is 16 and sorry. It could be a ploy to make you feel sorry for him and not go to the cops or worse after him.

This has already been addressed in the thread.

[jeremiahj13]

Hence I never donate to pitch ins/chip ins. I thought of doing a chip in myself but decided not to because:
A. I worry I would not get enough donations to do what I want, and it would be a wasted effort.
B. I wouldn't know how to receive the money since I really don't use pay pal.
C. My state is pretty worthless in terms of delegates :D lol. Wisconsin = 40 Delegates, Winner Take all, with Paul doing very poorly here last go around.

[Muwahid]

How do you know he is 16 and sorry. It could be a ploy to make you feel sorry for him and not go to the cops or worse after him.

yeah i think its been established he was bsing since the term fraud was coming up.

he should have actually came clean, said he was a scumbag trying to scam money but he'll give it all back, but he made up more lies to cover it up. whole thing makes me sick, and it looks like this has been an epidemic around here, even if people say theyre doing what they're going to do, it might cost a fraction of what they claim.

i reiterate my point anyone who is gonna make a chipin request.. should have to go through some checks first, otherwise their thread/request is shutdown by a mod asap.