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TheBlackPeterSchiff
01-26-2012, 02:06 PM
I was talking to a co-worker earlier today, who is an admitted liberal, loves being liberal and has no desire to be anything but liberal. Anyway, I like to go over and needle him every now and then and destroy some of his arguments. Today, he was saying he is disgusted by all the war-mongering Obama is doing regarding Iran.

I was like, I told you so. No difference. Your best bet if to vote for Paul because he is the only peace candidate. Atleast you would get a man with integrity who you know what your going to get, rather than a 2 faced liar.

He asked me, what do I think of Kucinich. I said, I agree with him on his foreign policy for the most part, but polar opposite when it comes to domestic issues and the economy. So he asked me, since I agree with him on FP, would I vote for him if he was a viable candidate and Ron Paul was not running.

I said I dont know. I'd have to think about it. Well he said its the same problem for him and Ron Paul.

So I pose the question to you guys, would you vote for Dennis Kucinich?

eduardo89
01-26-2012, 02:06 PM
No. Never.

BuddyRey
01-26-2012, 02:09 PM
Yes, as long as there was a fiscally conservative Congress at the same time.

schiffheadbaby
01-26-2012, 02:13 PM
No, he has no respect for our liberty and freedom.

He thinks we are merely serfs of the state and he should redistribute our labor as he sees fit.

Immoral and dumb

RJB
01-26-2012, 02:13 PM
I'd take an honest socialist over the dishonest socialists/corporatists who dominate both parties.

Nastynate
01-26-2012, 02:15 PM
I would, he seems like a guy that isn't a corporate whore. Whenever the day comes when all the democrats are just as trustworthy and honest as Kucinich and all the republicans are honest and trustworthy as Paul and they have real debates on the issues then I'll vote for the guy I can trust that will stand with the constitution and not destroy the US for his own gain.

Krugerrand
01-26-2012, 02:17 PM
So I pose the question to you guys, would you vote for Dennis Kucinich?

For Most Spineless Opponent of Obama's Health Care Reform - absolutely.

kylejack
01-26-2012, 02:17 PM
Depends who he was running against, but absolutely. I'd be willing to spend a little more money on domestic programs if we stopped spending so damned much on murdering the entire world.

Travlyr
01-26-2012, 02:18 PM
He favors nationalizing the Fed, so no way. I'm hoping for liberty in my lifetime and only voting for candidates who will honor the constitution and rule of law. Kucinich No Way.

freeforall
01-26-2012, 02:20 PM
I did - because he was the anti war candidate in 2008 and I believed he was the most honest. Integrity is at the top of my list because I can respect a difference of opinion while deception is an offense I cannot tolerate.

eta: I have educated myself on a much wider range of issues this election - thanks to Ron Paul.

Travlyr
01-26-2012, 02:23 PM
No, he has no respect for our liberty and freedom.

He thinks we are merely serfs of the state and he should redistribute our labor as he sees fit.

Immoral and dumb
Exactly right. A vote for Dennis Kucinich is another vote for slavery. Sound money is REQUIRED to enjoy liberty, peace, and prosperity.

Victor
01-26-2012, 02:25 PM
You guys have to look beyond the two party system.

Dennis Kucinich is/seems honourable and he is for peace & sanity.

pcgame
01-26-2012, 02:26 PM
no because he is a collectivist

Andrew Ryan
01-26-2012, 02:27 PM
Haha


no


http://i40.tinypic.com/vhxtw.gif

Krugerrand
01-26-2012, 02:28 PM
You guys have to look beyond the two party system.

Dennis Kucinich is/seems honourable and he is for peace & sanity.

Be careful with that. He's been known to change his mind after flying on Air Force 1.

SilentBull
01-26-2012, 02:28 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Travlyr
01-26-2012, 02:30 PM
You guys have to look beyond the two party system.

Dennis Kucinich is/seems honourable and he is for peace & sanity.
Central bank fiat money and peace are oxymorons. Fiat money relies on war economy.

Seraphim
01-26-2012, 02:35 PM
It is not peaceful to steal the wage of a working person, telling them they make "too much money" and giving it to someone deemed "low income".

There is no such peace in his doctrine.


You guys have to look beyond the two party system.

Dennis Kucinich is/seems honourable and he is for peace & sanity.

schiffheadbaby
01-26-2012, 02:37 PM
Central bank fiat money and peace are oxymorons. Fiat money relies on war economy.

Yes, I'm not a 2 party guy but Dennis is a bigtime interventionist in our domestic economy.

Never understand why some RP fans like him

Paul or not at all
01-26-2012, 02:37 PM
Depends who his opponent his.

steph3n
01-26-2012, 02:38 PM
Nope.

LatinsforPaul
01-26-2012, 02:40 PM
Paul
Johnson
Kucinich
Romney
Gingrich
Santorum

angrydragon
01-26-2012, 02:42 PM
Didn't he praise Obama?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvzcLgx14G0

cajuncocoa
01-26-2012, 02:42 PM
No...never.

messana
01-26-2012, 02:52 PM
No, but I much rather have a anti-war socialist than a sociopathic corporatist.

I'll at least give him some credit for his willingness to listen to the opposite side.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joYrVtldJKc

musicmax
01-26-2012, 03:07 PM
Paul
Johnson
Kucinich
Romney
Gingrich
Santorum

Paul
Johnson
Lady Gaga, Ric Flair, Octomom and 300 million other Americans who shall remain nameless
Kucinich
Romney
Gingrich
Santorum

GeorgiaAvenger
01-26-2012, 03:41 PM
No. He is almost as bad as Obama.

roversaurus
01-26-2012, 03:47 PM
I probably would.
Based on his foreign policy and what I perceive to be his honesty. Because of all the corruption I think honesty is very valuable.

We have got to change something in this country.

But I'd really hate voting for him

Lafayette
01-26-2012, 03:50 PM
He asked me, what do I think of Kucinich. I said, I agree with him on his foreign policy for the most part, but polar opposite when it comes to domestic issues and the economy. So he asked me, since I agree with him on FP, would I vote for him if he was a viable candidate and Ron Paul was not running.

I said I dont know. I'd have to think about it. Well he said its the same problem for him and Ron Paul.

Does Kucinich have a 30 year record of walking his talk? I don't remember Paul getting up on stage in 2008 at the RNC giving a rousing speech in support of John McCain... the same cannot be said about Kucinich in regards to Obama.

Dianne
01-26-2012, 03:52 PM
If Paul were not in the race, I would vote for Dennis Kucinich any day over the scum bags running in the republican primary. I don't agree with a lot of Kucinich's policies; likewise I don't agree with some of Ron Paul's policies. However, Paul and Kucinich are good friends and Kucinich is very similar to Paul in that he does not rubber stamp Obama's bills.

Sola_Fide
01-26-2012, 03:53 PM
No way. A vote for Kucinich is another vote for tyranny.

jmdrake
01-26-2012, 04:07 PM
No, but I much rather have a anti-war socialist than a sociopathic corporatist.

I'll at least give him some credit for his willingness to listen to the opposite side.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joYrVtldJKc

+rep. I'm glad Kucinich is open minded. I'm glad Peter Schiff was open minded enough to have him on his show. In 2007 my choices came down to Paul and Kucinich. My 3 core issues then were ending the wars, ending the Department of Homeland inSecurity and repealing the Patriot Act. The only reason I picked Paul over Kucinich was because of gun control. Since then being against corporate bailouts, auditing the federal reserve, repealing Obamacare, getting rid of the TSA and repealing the NDAA have been added to the list. He's on the right side of more of those issues than then wrong side. (Still wrong on guns and wrong on Obamacare thanks to a plane ride). Perfect? No. Tyrant? No. (Really folks, that's hyperbole). I'm glad I was committed to Paul before I ever read RPF or I probably wouldn't have hung around long enough to change my mind on some things.

cdc482
01-26-2012, 04:11 PM
I would vote for his platform, but I don't trust him. I know someone who knows someone who knows Kucinich very well. He claims that Kucinich is pandering to his diehard following...
I believe it. He doesn't seem to gave as much conviction as Ron Paul

Tod
01-26-2012, 04:17 PM
No way.

RonPaulFanInGA
01-26-2012, 04:17 PM
Would you vote for Dennis Kucinich?

Hell no.

GeorgiaAvenger
01-26-2012, 04:18 PM
He may be fairly good on foreign policy, though he may be a pacifist. But on everything that affects me directly, he is as bad as Obama if not worse.

NewRightLibertarian
01-26-2012, 04:24 PM
Yeah, I would because the war issue is so important

emazur
01-26-2012, 04:33 PM
No. Used to think he had some principles, turns out he doesn't:
1) Voted for pro-corporate Obamacare even after saying he wouldn't (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2UQRNSBFdU)

2) Voted against (http://www.campaignforliberty.com/materials/HR1207-Shame-List.pdf) full audit of Fed

Only thing he has been reliable about is the anti-war vote but in my opinion he'd support an interventionist war if he was promised universal healthcare in return. And for those who support him for his anti-war views, if he said that World War 2 got us out of the Great Depression, would that effect your opinion? I don't know whether or not he actually believes that

TheBlackPeterSchiff
01-26-2012, 04:37 PM
No. Used to think he had some principles, turns out he doesn't:
1) Voted for pro-corporate Obamacare even after saying he wouldn't (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2UQRNSBFdU)

2) Voted against (http://www.campaignforliberty.com/materials/HR1207-Shame-List.pdf) full audit of Fed

Only thing he has been reliable about is the anti-war vote but in my opinion he'd support an interventionist war if he was promised universal healthcare in return. And for those who support him for his anti-war views, if he said that World War 2 got us out of the Great Depression, would that effect your opinion? I don't know whether or not he actually believes that

Wow, yeah, those are deal killers for me.

Defrauded
01-26-2012, 04:41 PM
Depends on which office he runs for. First he would have to understand and agree that

the only acceptable type of socialism is the voluntary kind.

Jtorsella
01-26-2012, 04:42 PM
No goddamn way. He's like Wesley Mouch.
http://news.investors.com/Article/598686/201201231850/democrats-want-government-to-decide-reasonable-profits.htm
No way. Honestly, domestic policy and the role of government is one hundred times more important than foreign policy. Fp is absolutely a secondary issue to me, and I'm pretty appalled that people would vote for an admitted socialist because he might be right on Fp. If you guys want no war, but an economy based on "reasonable profits", then by all means vote for Kucinich. I'll be writing in Ron Paul or voting for Gary Johnson.

thoughtomator
01-26-2012, 04:42 PM
Depends on which office he runs for. First he would have to understand and agree that

the only acceptable type of socialism is the voluntary kind.

if it's voluntary you don't need socialism or any ism

Justinfrom1776
01-26-2012, 04:53 PM
No, he's a collectivist.

GeorgiaAvenger
01-26-2012, 05:00 PM
No goddamn way. He's like Wesley Mouch.
http://news.investors.com/Article/598686/201201231850/democrats-want-government-to-decide-reasonable-profits.htm
No way. Honestly, domestic policy and the role of government is one hundred times more important than foreign policy. Fp is absolutely a secondary issue to me, and I'm pretty appalled that people would vote for an admitted socialist because he might be right on Fp. If you guys want no war, but an economy based on "reasonable profits", then by all means vote for Kucinich. I'll be writing in Ron Paul or voting for Gary Johnson.

A good analogy to a Kucinich run country would be North Korea

Sure, they aren't spread out throughout the world, and the inside of the country is hell

Seraphim
01-26-2012, 05:04 PM
The problem with this is that he supports the mechanisms by which the wars come about (unknowingly)...

HE may be anti war, but his ideas are war generating.


Yeah, I would because the war issue is so important

Giuliani was there on 911
01-26-2012, 05:26 PM
Yeah, I would because the war issue is so important

this


so many lives would be saved and so much human suffering prevented.

Sola_Fide
01-26-2012, 05:30 PM
The problem with this is that he supports the mechanisms by which the wars come about (unknowingly)...

HE may be anti war, but his ideas are war generating.

Yes. As Mises and Sennholz pointed out, economic nationalism/socialism is the precursor for war.

https://mises.org/daily/3908/Omnipotent-Government

http://www.youtube.com/v/dXfEr2UMo4Q

Sullivan*
01-26-2012, 05:50 PM
Hell to the HELL TO THE FUCK NO.

VBRonPaulFan
01-26-2012, 05:54 PM
I have been and always will be a one issue voter. You see, I am vehemently anti-slavery.

Some people find different levels or types of slavery more acceptable to varying degrees. Some people think the state owning your life and requiring you to fight at the whim of a politician is somewhat acceptable. Some people think being an economic slave to the state in which you must pay tithes or face penalty from your masters of government is acceptable. Me, I find both appalling.

While it is admirable of Kucinich that he is anti-war, the fact that he would require me to be an economic tax slave to support the things he believes in is completely unacceptable to me.

VBRonPaulFan
01-26-2012, 05:55 PM
this


so many lives would be saved and so much human suffering prevented.

funny, you could say the exact same thing of many of the domestic policies here of the past 100 years.

phill4paul
01-26-2012, 05:59 PM
If Ron Paul was not running I would consider it. I could not make that call without knowing the other candidates. If it we're Kucinich vs. Obama, Santorum, Romney or Gingrich I would not hesitate.

AuH20
01-26-2012, 06:03 PM
If the democrat was anti-Fed, then possibly. But none of them exist. Many want to nationalize the Fed.

Echoes
01-26-2012, 06:06 PM
Kucinich is probably the biggest gun-grabber in Congress.

Superficially he's against the Wars, but he's very much pro UN/NATO/IMF/etc. He's a globalist thru and thru.

ZanZibar
01-26-2012, 06:09 PM
I'd take an honest socialist over the dishonest socialists/corporatists who dominate both parties.He switched his vote after Obama took him for a ride on AF1. Not exactly what I would call "principled"

ssjevot
01-26-2012, 06:15 PM
I would. On a lot of the big issues I agree with him, and I do not require a perfect candidate to vote for them.

Seraphim
01-26-2012, 06:16 PM
No.

Please see post 45 and 47.


this


so many lives would be saved and so much human suffering prevented.

Margo37
01-26-2012, 06:23 PM
He switched his vote after Obama took him for a ride on AF1. Not exactly what I would call "principled"

NO. SOLD US OUT FOR THIS.

MrTudo
01-26-2012, 06:58 PM
No

I feel my blood pressure rising as we approach 8PM. GRRRR.

oyarde
01-27-2012, 11:24 AM
Absolutely not .

AbVag
01-27-2012, 12:51 PM
I like Kucinich, but I disagree with him too much to vote for.

Philhelm
01-27-2012, 01:20 PM
Perhaps I haven't been clear in some of my previous posts, but my answer is:

NO ONE BUT PAUL!

trey4sports
01-27-2012, 01:26 PM
nope.

vita3
01-27-2012, 01:28 PM
Of course not.

But, I think he could run something in a Dr.Paul Federal Gov & do a good job & not waste Gov money

Krugerrand
01-27-2012, 01:36 PM
So I pose the question to you guys, would you vote for Dennis Kucinich?

Perhaps if he ran for Floor Sweeper at his local Ron Paul Meet Up, I'd consider voting for him.

jmhudak17
01-27-2012, 01:48 PM
It depends who he was running against. But in some cases, yes. I'd rather have Kucinich than Romney, Santorum, Gingrich, or Obama by far.

BamaAla
01-27-2012, 01:53 PM
Simply no.

cstarace
01-27-2012, 02:10 PM
Hahah. Absolutely never ever ever.

VoluntaryAmerican
01-27-2012, 05:21 PM
No.

RM918
01-27-2012, 05:37 PM
I doubt I'll be the first one to say this, but no. Kucinich would probably flip on even the places where I do agree with him for a ride on a cool enough plane.

QueenB4Liberty
01-27-2012, 05:41 PM
No, I wouldn't.

qh4dotcom
01-27-2012, 06:11 PM
No

2young2vote
01-27-2012, 06:24 PM
If it was between him and someone like Obama or Romney I would.

LibForestPaul
01-27-2012, 07:50 PM
Is his vp one of the castro's . maybe then.

centure7
01-27-2012, 08:14 PM
Its an absolute requirement that I have full and complete confidence a politician will work to lower the overall tax burden and lower government spending. So Kucinich may have my vote even though he's obviously a socialist. I think even a socialist may be able to see that overall taxes in the US are too high and overall federal government spending is too high.

Kucinich has the incredibly rare property of both being honest and being a politician, so it would be hard for me not to vote for him. I think he would make a good choice for VP because we want someone at the top who has actual interest in running programs the right way whereas Paul will be much more concerned with shutting them down, so there would be a balance there if that makes any sense.

Liberty_Mike
01-27-2012, 09:16 PM
I would definitely vote for Dennis Kucinich. The man is good on social issues and foreign policy. I definitely disagree with him on economic issues, but there is a much bigger problem facing our country right now such as a very agressive foreign policy and bills that take away our liberties (NDAA, Patriot Act, SOPA, etc). He is also not a statis/corporatist like the mainstream Republicans and Democrats. I'm glad the topic started posted this question. It definitely shows taht we can't expect progressives/liberals to vote for Ron Paul if we ourselves wouldn't vote for a progressive/liberal for the same reasons. Also, I voted for Nader in 08 for the exact same reasons as to why I'd vote for Dennis.

Jtorsella
01-27-2012, 09:18 PM
I would definitely vote for Dennis Kucinich. The man is good on social issues and foreign policy. I definitely disagree with him on economic issues, but there is a much bigger problem facing our country right now such as a very agressive foreign policy and bills that take away our liberties (NDAA, Patriot Act, SOPA, etc). He is also not a statis/corporatist like the mainstream Republicans and Democrats. I'm glad the topic started posted this question. It definitely shows taht we can't expect progressives/liberals to vote for Ron Paul if we ourselves wouldn't vote for a progressive/liberal for the same reasons. Also, I voted for Nader in 08 for the exact same reasons as to why I'd vote for Dennis.
You've got to be kidding me. Economic issues are a hundred thousand times more important than anything else. They, more than social issues, are bellwethers for the power of the state. Without someone who is an absolute free-marketer, our country will not survive.

Liberty_Mike
01-27-2012, 09:48 PM
You've got to be kidding me. Economic issues are a hundred thousand times more important than anything else. They, more than social issues, are bellwethers for the power of the state. Without someone who is an absolute free-marketer, our country will not survive.

Foreign policy is the most important issue to me in the state we are currently in. One of the major problems our economy currently faces is the fact we spend way too much money in fighting usless wars, building bases overseas, and all the excess military spending that goes on. Not only the fact that our current foreign policy is damaging to our economy, but it has destroyed America's reputatino around the world. I agree with Ron Paul's stance that people don't like us because we intervene in other nation's internal affairs non stop, not because they hate the fact we are free.