View Full Version : how to talk about Iran

01-24-2012, 01:01 PM
my suggestion for some language in dealing with the topic:

"For most Americans, the story of our relationship with Iran begins in 1979 with the hostage crisis. The media chooses not to tell you the full story, because war, while costly to the people, is good for ratings. Those politicians who would take us to war choose not to tell you the whole story, because it is not in the interests of the donors and lobbyists to whom they answer.

Let me tell you the history that the media chooses not to tell you.

In 1953 the United States government overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran in order to control its oil resources for the benefit of the Anglo-Iranian Oil company, which is now known as BP. As we all saw in the Gulf Oil Spill crisis, BP continues to exert a strong influence on your government, to this day.

The CIA overthrow of this elected government is known as Operation AJAX. I encourage each of you at home to write that down - "Operation AJAX" and look it up after the debate. This is an important event in the history of US-Iran relations, without which one cannot have a full and clear understanding of the situation in the present day.

Our CIA, under President Eisenhower, set up a puppet government under the Shah of Iran, who ruled as an absolute despot for 27 years. This dictatorship was overthrown in the 1979 Iranian revolution, where most Americans' knowledge of events begins."

When President Eisenhower gave his farewell speech in 1961, he risked his life to warn us about the military-industrial complex, that the war machine we built to defend ourselves had taken on a life of its own and was seeking to direct our foreign policy for its own purposes - power and profit - and without the advice or consent of the people.

We see today the penultimate result of the influence of these forces in our government - foreign, trade, and economic policy completely detached from the needs of the people.

The American people are suffering under the burden of funding this increasingly expensive foreign policy that all my opponents - the other Republican candidates as well as President Obama - support. While we spend trillions on war, the needs of the people here at home are neglected."

(more to come when I have some more time)

01-24-2012, 01:10 PM
Today I struck a nerve with the term "liberal war propoganda" on the JT Show. They had talked earlier about the socialist takeover of America tracing back to Wilson. I said they were correct and it was the Wilsonian CFR calling for war with Iran and it was just liberal war propoganda because Pannetta said they are not developing a bomb.

01-24-2012, 01:24 PM
That's what I'm having problems with. If Iran isn't developing a bomb and the U.S. has placed sanctions on them to get them to stop making something they are not making, how is Iran supposed to stop doing what they are not doing?

Isn't it up the the U.S. to prove Iran is trying to build a bomb?

01-24-2012, 01:34 PM
What are the actual statements by the A man about Israel?

01-24-2012, 04:05 PM
Well this one should be easy and I think RP is doing a fair job on this issue. He could be bolder by mocking his opponents by making comparisons to WMDs in Iraq and other lies. "Here we go again" could be a simple slogan. I don't think he needs to give a history lesson, just simply called them all neocon liars.

The One
01-24-2012, 04:07 PM
how is Iran supposed to stop doing what they are not doing?

...the same way Iraq was meant to prove that it didn't have weapons it didn't have.

Feeding the Abscess
01-24-2012, 08:13 PM
OP's post is too long for a debate format, and Ron's brought up the 1953 overthrow this campaign season. He also brought up Ike and the MIC recently in a debate.