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niklarin
01-23-2012, 12:10 PM
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/01/23/ron-paul-campaign-statement-concerning-tsa-abuses/


The TSA “gropes and grabs our children, our seniors, and our loved ones and neighbors with disabilities…while doing nothing to keep us safe.”
LAKE JACKSON, Texas – The Ron Paul 2012 Presidential campaign released the following statement concerning TSA abuses like the ones that resulted in U.S. Sen. Rand Paul being inconvenienced at the Nashville, Tennessee airport. Below please find comments from Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX):

“The police state in this country is growing out of control. One of the ultimate embodiments of this is the TSA that gropes and grabs our children, our seniors, and our loved ones and neighbors with disabilities. The TSA does all of this while doing nothing to keep us safe.

“That is why my ‘Plan to Restore America,’ in additional to cutting $1 trillion dollars in federal spending in one year, eliminates the TSA.

“We must restore the freedom and respect for liberty that once made American the greatest nation in human history. I am deeply committed to doing that as President of the United States.”

luctor-et-emergo
01-23-2012, 12:13 PM
I really think it would be better if that short statement had a short statement on the solution for airline safety.

I know, I know, but it's for those people that think, "well then we have another 9/11 again". Don't want those comments coming in.

bcreps85
01-23-2012, 12:15 PM
Arg, I wish they thought deeper into these things. Eliminating the TSA is good and all, but what will it be replaced with? What is the solution? This seems like something that is going to scare people away even if they do hate the TSA...

goldpants
01-23-2012, 12:16 PM
Good job Ron

Note to campaign the word American should say America in the second to last sentence.

Kharan
01-23-2012, 12:16 PM
Elimination of TSA, that's what I want to hear.

runamuck
01-23-2012, 12:18 PM
Except all the sheeple will "bah" ... "Who will keep us safe!?"

Constitutional Paulicy
01-23-2012, 12:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMYNg9twKYA&feature=channel_video_title

socal
01-23-2012, 12:21 PM
Arg, I wish they thought deeper into these things. Eliminating the TSA is good and all, but what will it be replaced with? What is the solution? This seems like something that is going to scare people away even if they do hate the TSA...
I think RP is on record as stating he wants the airlines to handle security. Maybe he should have mentioned that in the press release.

swissaustrian
01-23-2012, 12:23 PM
I think RP is on record as stating he wants the airlines to handle security. Maybe he should have mentioned that in the press release.
This Plus arming the pilotes

EaSy
01-23-2012, 12:23 PM
Except all the sheeple will "bah" ... "Who will keep us safe!?"

Psst. The right answer is a humble forreign policy.

pacelli
01-23-2012, 12:29 PM
Nice piece of news for the debate tonight, if he gets any questions..

liveandletlive
01-23-2012, 12:30 PM
http://duncan.house.gov/2009/06/22062009.shtml

another reason to get rid of the TSA...USeless Air Marshalls

walt
01-23-2012, 12:30 PM
I think RP is on record as stating he wants the airlines to handle security. Maybe he should have mentioned that in the press release.

Maybe he should hire a campaign director capable of making sure communications are clear. :)

bcreps85
01-23-2012, 12:34 PM
I think RP is on record as stating he wants the airlines to handle security. Maybe he should have mentioned that in the press release.

I understand his stance on these issues, and frankly agree with him 99.9% of the time. My problem is that these press releases don't go into detail on his stances enough, even though we know damn well that the MSM isn't going to do the proper research to find out what his solution is, and neither are the sheeple.

Dutch
01-23-2012, 12:35 PM
Maybe he should hire a campaign director capable of making sure communications are clear. :)

And making sure the text is grammatically correct ("in additional").

Krugerrand
01-23-2012, 12:36 PM
http://duncan.house.gov/2009/06/22062009.shtml

another reason to get rid of the TSA...USeless Air Marshalls

Nice link.


And listen to this paragraph from a front-page story in the USA Today last November: “Since 9/11, more than three dozen Federal air marshals have been charged with crimes, and hundreds more have been accused of misconduct. Cases range from drunken driving and domestic violence to aiding a human-trafficking ring and trying to smuggle explosives from Afghanistan.''

Actually, there have been many more arrests of Federal air marshals than that story reported, quite a few for felony offenses. In fact, more air marshals have been arrested than the number of people arrested by air marshals.

We now have approximately 4,000 in the Federal Air Marshals Service, yet they have made an average of just 4.2 arrests a year since 2001. This comes out to an average of about one arrest a year per 1,000 employees.

Now, let me make that clear. Their thousands of employees are not making one arrest per year each. They are averaging slightly over four arrests each year by the entire agency. In other words, we are spending approximately $200 million per arrest. Let me repeat that: we are spending approximately $200 million per arrest.

goldpants
01-23-2012, 12:39 PM
I hope Ron gets to break it down tonight. The answer is free markets. Allow the airline companies to determine what level of security is necessary. Some would cater to the "oh save me from the boogeymen crowd" their prices will be higher but people will pay for that peace of mind. Other companies will find that they can reduce the price of tickets by reducing the security and some consumers will opt for those companies. What a novel concept to allow individuals to make decisions for themselves.

Plus allowing airlines to have armed pilots is a reasonable plan as well.

socal
01-23-2012, 12:41 PM
Maybe he should hire a campaign director capable of making sure communications are clear. :)
Yes. Today's debate wasn't even on the campaign calendar when I checked yesterday evening, although it's there now,

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/category/events/month

Also, there's nothing on the calendar in FL for anything except the two debates. If they're planning some town hall Q&A or speeches, they should already have them planned and entered into the system. And if not, I have to question their strategy. Even if FL is a lost cause, they should expend some low budget effort there (not TV ads) so he doesn't fall too far behind Santorum imo.

How much would one day of campaigning cost assuming 3 events per day, about $50K / day ? Like someone else mentioned, they could maybe get enough donations from FL residents to pay for itself conceivably.

Diurdi
01-23-2012, 12:44 PM
Except all the sheeple will "bah" ... "Who will keep us safe!?" In many of the socialist European countries we have Private Corporations that take care of airport security...

kuckfeynes
01-23-2012, 12:48 PM
Are people really still scared of a hijacking?
At what level of invasion will they start to be more scared of the TSA?
I flew a lot in the few years following 9/11 before it really got bad.
Terrorism was barely a thought in my head.
Now, I refuse to fly at all unless absolutely necessary... Nothing makes me more nervous than all those blue uniforms and latex gloves.

Bruno
01-23-2012, 12:49 PM
Do other candidates' supporters complain about their official staff and their actions, emails, tweets, schedules, websites, ads, etc., as much as some of ours do about Paul's?

seapilot
01-23-2012, 12:51 PM
TSA is a poor attempt to treat the symptom not the disease.

pen_thief
01-23-2012, 01:56 PM
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/01/23/ron-paul-campaign-statement-concerning-tsa-abuses/

Facepalmed at the typos but glad the campaign reminded people that they're swinging the axe on TSA :)

pen_thief
01-23-2012, 01:58 PM
Do other candidates' supporters complain about their official staff and their actions, emails, tweets, schedules, websites, ads, etc., as much as some of ours do about Paul's?

We're so nit-picky, lol
I spotted two typos and was I like, "NOOOOOOO!" :p
I think I have a bottle of "chill pills" lying around somewhere...

rblgenius
01-23-2012, 02:00 PM
I know from traveling internationally a lot... TSA isn't as strict as UK border control or other agencies. They let a lot get by. People think the TSA makes us 100 percent safe. I forgot to take out my pocket knives from my back pack on a few trips and it was never caught by the TSA. The only things they get with high frequency is me leaving liquids in my bag....

otherone
01-23-2012, 02:02 PM
I don't understand why Airlines can't hire their own armed security for their planes...could someone fluent in "totalitariani" explain it to me?

Muwahid
01-23-2012, 02:12 PM
Arg, I wish they thought deeper into these things. Eliminating the TSA is good and all, but what will it be replaced with? What is the solution? This seems like something that is going to scare people away even if they do hate the TSA...

Yep yep, Ron tends to identify the problem but not voice the solution, and it's his solutions that make him most appealing. It gives people hope, imagine, a pilot being allowed to defend himself on flight with a weapon, hijackings are thing of the past then, airlines could have no restrictions on their security, and boast being the safest airline in the world.

AFPVet
01-23-2012, 02:13 PM
I don't understand why Airlines can't hire their own armed security for their planes...could someone fluent in "totalitarian" explain it to me?

The problem with this is the fact that private security do not possess certification recognized in all states. In other words, they would need gun permits which are recognized in all 50 states and/or special credentials. If they are law enforcement certified security, then it wouldn't be a problem.

milo10
01-23-2012, 02:19 PM
I really think it would be better if that short statement had a short statement on the solution for airline safety.

I know, I know, but it's for those people that think, "well then we have another 9/11 again". Don't want those comments coming in.


Arg, I wish they thought deeper into these things. Eliminating the TSA is good and all, but what will it be replaced with? What is the solution? This seems like something that is going to scare people away even if they do hate the TSA...

Agreed.