Evangelical Voters: Newt May Be an Adulterer, but He's OUR Adulterer!

[Anti Federalist]

These are the people who truly believe that God himself touched the United States and tasked us with the mission of kicking the world's ass for Israel..



Evangelical Voters: Newt May Be an Adulterer, but He's OUR Adulterer!

Posted by Bill Anderson on January 21, 2012 06:28 PM

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/104077.html

As the returns from South Carolina come in, we find that about two-thirds of SC Republican voters are evangelicals, and the evangelicals have spoken loudly: If Democrats are adulterers, they are evil, but if it is a Republican, well, all is forgiven. I'm sure that the Bob Jones University crowd gave serial adulterer Newt its thumbs up. Hey, at least Bill and Hillary Clinton are still together.

During the Clinton years, we heard from evangelicals ad nauseum that character mattered. Well, here is Newt Gingrich, a man who was banging his campaign workers, demanding an "open marriage," and had the moral compass of a shark. This is the man evangelicals support?

And then evangelicals wonder why people on the left see them as hypocrites and moral cowards.

So, the people who claim to follow Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace, display their beliefs through candidates like Newt Gingrich.

These are the people who jeered Ron Paul when he called for Americans to live by the Golden Rule that Christ Himself taught us.

It is beyond me, and I have been part of the evangelical subculture for all of my life.

[zippy81]

Nail meet head

[Marky]

When did this love and blind following of the Pharisees begin to creep into American Christianity? 1960’s? 70’s?

What’s amazing is these people are railing against the Muslims….a group of people who are:
* The most resistant to the hedonistic pop culture being pumped by Hollywood and the record industry all over the world
* The most family oriented culture in the world
* The only other people besides Christians, who accept that Jesus (Peace be upon him) was the Promised Messiah for the Children of Israel (While the Pharisees rejected him and are still waiting)
* The people who are the best at God-rememberance in everyday life at all levels of society. “God Willing”, “Praise God”, “May God Bless you”, etc. can be heard numerous times through regular conversations in the Muslim world….at the business, academic, and family levels.
* The people who are least concerned with the worldly life and most concerned with the hereafter (at least we should be)

Instead these “Evangelicals”, being led by their Zionist pastors, have taken the side of the socialists, atheists, and the arrogant rejectors of Jesus Christ. Nice.:confused:

[Anti Federalist]

Big Government, big religion, big business.

The source of almost all of mankind's self inflicted ills.

They hate them for the same reason they hate RP and by extension, us:

Nobody likes being called out on their hypocrisy.




When did this love and blind following of the Pharisees begin to creep into American Christianity? 1960’s? 70’s?

What’s amazing is these people are railing against the Muslims….a group of people who are:
* The most resistant to the hedonistic pop culture being pumped by Hollywood and the record industry all over the world
* The most family oriented culture in the world
* The only other people besides Christians, who accept that Jesus (Peace be upon him) was the Promised Messiah for the Children of Israel (While the Pharisees rejected him and are still waiting)
* The people who are the best at God-rememberance in everyday life at all levels of society. “God Willing”, “Praise God”, “May God Bless you”, etc. can be heard numerous times through regular conversations in the Muslim world….at the business, academic, and family levels.
* The people who are least concerned with the worldly life and most concerned with the hereafter (at least we should be)

Instead these “Evangelicals”, being led by their Zionist pastors, have taken the side of the socialists, atheists, and the arrogant rejectors of Jesus Christ. Nice.:confused:

[airborne373]

Please ... let this put an END FOREVER that Evangelicals have any moral high ground. They do not.

[bbartlog]

Over time it does seem like much of the Christian right has become almost antinomian... I mean, why promote virtue when vice just gives you an opportunity to show how forgiving you are?

[Johnny Appleseed]

I don't see how anyone can be "Christ-like" without being a pacifist.

[John F Kennedy III]

I don't see how anyone can be "Christ-like" without being a pacifist.

Christ was a pacifist? That's news to me...

[centure7]

It would be even worse if it was Huckabee. Much worse. Yeah the guy has higher morals than Gingrich but minimally higher. Huckabee is a guy who said: "Screw you Christian congregation, you aren't listening enough so I will FORCE you to do what I want as governor from my new mansion". You really can't get more hypocritical than that.

[Kingfisher]

Please don't generalize and assume all Christian Evangelicals are brainwashed dupes.

I'm not
Chuck Baldwin isn't.

By the way isn't R.P. himself a Christian Evangelical?

[RonPaul101.com]

Gingrich should hold a f*ck-your-wife's-best-friend-fundraiser; could bring in a lot of support among the super religious... :rolleyes:

It's sad, people who know me know how much I H A T E Obama, but I would volunteer for his campaign to spite Newt Gingrich.

[Lucille]

You know how the righty warmongers like to quote bin Laden saying, "We love death. The U.S. loves life. That is the difference between us two."

He was wrong. They both love death.

Evangelicals, Ron Paul and War (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2012/01/20/evangelicals-ron-paul-and-war/)


Evangelicals like to quote a biblical text that God favors those who favor the Jews. However, for them they mean only Jews who make wars and contribute to chaos in the Middle East. Jewish peacemakers are cursed in their view. No tears were shed for Yitzak Rabin who negotiated peace with the Arabs until Israeli fanatics killed him. Indeed Pat Robertson said that Rabin was killed because he was trying to thwart God’s plans.
[...]
Herein lies their antipathy to Ron Paul, who in all other respects is a family values conservative. Indeed, most of them are Baptists who used to look upon Catholics with suspicion. Today they would prefer Senator Santorum or Newt Gingrich, both Catholics, to Ron Paul, who is Baptist. Santorum is no libertarian believer in limited government (he would use government to enforce his social values) and urges absolute support for Israel and the military industrial complex. These evangelicals don’t want peace because it would mean postponing Armageddon. That’s why their leaders oppose Ron Paul.

[Anti Federalist]

Please don't generalize and assume all Christian Evangelicals are brainwashed dupes.

I'm not
Chuck Baldwin isn't.

By the way isn't R.P. himself a Christian Evangelical?

Yes.

So clearly one side is not being truthful about what they are or what they truly believe.

Let's call them what they are: Christian Zionists.

[alex_florida]

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[ThePiousPriest]

Evangelical Christians are in idolatry. Because the culture in the 60's and 70's lent itself to what many Christians considered "ungodly behavior" and the participants in that behavior sought to control government in that way. The Christian Coalition effectively was the opposite side of that coin and in response to the counter culture. They think that the government can cause people to repent of their sin and embrace God.

Idolatry comes in because Christians are to have no god except for God that exists in three forms Father, Son, Holy Spirit. They give powers to the government which only belong to God. They seek the edification of government in an almost cult like fashion.They worship the so called "wisdom" of the political class created to serve as propaganda ministers for the state, rather than what their scripture says on what to do. We see it in the belief that the US Government has committed no sin abroad and that the state has the greater role in things like marriage, using substances, etc. We see it in an almost delusional worship of Israel, thinking if they support Israel enough, they can build the temple again so Jesus can come back. They believe ultimately that the government provides the bread they live on, and will endorse things as an income tax (even though the rank and file will tell you they are opposed to "excessive taxation").

Christians have forgotten that they are part of the Kingdom of God, and will edify the state that man has established before promoting the kingdom. As a believer myself, I find it hard to follow what is commanded of me to "build up others in faith" when they refuse to listen. I guess the only thing I can do is pray for the conviction of the holy spirit to show the people the error of their ways.

[alex_florida]

When did this love and blind following of the Pharisees begin to creep into American Christianity? 1960’s? 70’s?

What’s amazing is these people are railing against the Muslims….a group of people who are:
* The most resistant to the hedonistic pop culture being pumped by Hollywood and the record industry all over the world
* The most family oriented culture in the world
* The only other people besides Christians, who accept that Jesus (Peace be upon him) was the Promised Messiah for the Children of Israel (While the Pharisees rejected him and are still waiting)
* The people who are the best at God-rememberance in everyday life at all levels of society. “God Willing”, “Praise God”, “May God Bless you”, etc. can be heard numerous times through regular conversations in the Muslim world….at the business, academic, and family levels.
* The people who are least concerned with the worldly life and most concerned with the hereafter (at least we should be)

Instead these “Evangelicals”, being led by their Zionist pastors, have taken the side of the socialists, atheists, and the arrogant rejectors of Jesus Christ. Nice.:confused:

Yeah, and this is why after WWII in arab-arab conflicts have been killed more than 100 millions whereas in Israeli-arab wars killed dozens of thousands ("Peace be upon..."), stone women ("...family oriented culture in the world"), etc. Do not simplify please - both fundumental christianity and muslim, and any other religion is full of hypocrisy when messed with civil society, politics, government...

[AgentOrange]

This is why even though I consider myself a Christian, and fairly orthodox at that, I no longer attend an organized church. Almost all are social clubs that are manipulated by the elite.

[moostraks]

This is why even though I consider myself a Christian, and fairly orthodox at that, I no longer attend an organized church. Almost all are social clubs that are manipulated by the elite.

yeppers...absolutely agree with you!!! I also refuse to serve up my children to be brainwashed into whatever scheme they want to pursue such as their endless wars are a sign of chivalry and the like.

[Marky]

Yeah, and this is why after WWII in arab-arab conflicts have been killed more than 100 millions whereas in Israeli-arab wars killed dozens of thousands ("Peace be upon..."), stone women ("...family oriented culture in the world"), etc. Do not simplify please - both fundumental christianity and muslim, and any other religion is full of hypocrisy when messed with civil society, politics, government...

First of all, your argument that Arab on Arab violence was at a higher rate than Arab vs. Israeli since WW2 has no relevance except anecdotal. What about the fact that most of the major invasions and wars since WW2 have been committed or backed by one of the 2 major superpowers (USA and USSR)? When was the last time a sovereign Muslim nation invaded a non-Muslim nation? Can you answer that for me?

Secondly, people are quick to bring up the hudud punishments employed by an Islamic state without any understanding. Stoning for adultery is not restricted to women. The punishment is the same for men, and their should be 4 witnesses and no reasonable doubt. Stoning is also enjoined in the Bible too, as I’m sure you know. Not to mention, there are very view Muslim countries that actually practice stoning or any of the hudud punishments. Saudi Arabia, Iran, and some parts of Nigeria and Pakistan are the only places I can think of that practice this. Yet, some would have you believe the whole Muslim world is governed like Taliban-era Afghanistan.

But, I’ll tell you this, you won’t find the high rate of murder and crime, divorce, fornication, drug use, or open sin in the Muslim world today as you see in the supposed “Judeo-Christian” West. That does not mean it’s a perfect utopian land of milk and honey. My point is that it’s ironic that the people most hated by some of these pro-Pharisee “Evangelicals” are the ones who could be considered the most socially conservative and most religious in the world.

[ConCap]

A Church and a Political Party are both collectives.

Be “A” political. Either you are for the Constitution, Capitalism and the rule of law or you are against it.

Be spiritual-but-not religious, get a Bible, take it home, read it every day and live it every day.

The Constitution was written for people with high moral and spiritual ideals.

NOT A RELIGIOUS PEOPLE.

This is the true meaning of the "separation of church (collective) and state (Constitution)".

Not a separation of moral and spiritual (individual) and state (Constitution)

[Pauls' Revere]

Please ... let this put an END FOREVER that Evangelicals have any moral high ground. They do not.

Ah you refer to the moral fallacy of thier position. BINGO!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moralistic_fallacy

[donnay]

This is why even though I consider myself a Christian, and fairly orthodox at that, I no longer attend an organized church. Almost all are social clubs that are manipulated by the elite.

Indeed they are. These are the very people that will comply with government to snitch on you. The Clergy Response teams were all put in place for martial law! They will base this all upon the twisted interpretation of Romans 13.

If people want to join a church or Bible Studies they need to keep away from those who claim the 501 c3 exemptions.

http://www.famguardian.org/Subjects/Spirituality/501c3_small.jpg


What Happens When The Church Is Not Free?

By Garrett Lear

“Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free” (John 8:32 KJV). O.K., I confess, I love The Lord Jesus Christ. I love and trust God’s Word (The Holy Bible) pure and unadulterated straight up and in your face! You see I have tested it and I know it is true. I am certainly not the only person in this world who has had this same attitude or a Biblical worldview. I am also not the only American who has loved God and taken Him at His Word either. The Founding Fathers of America did.

I will also confess that I love this land America, my native land…the land of my birth. I must admit, though, that I am struggling with a high degree of disappointment over the direction that this, my favorite country is heading in. When you grow up in a historical town, Lexington Massachusetts, like I did… when you walk by the Minuteman statue practically everyday during your formative years and watch yearly reenactments of The Battle Of Lexington something profound happens to you. My appetite for freedom was whet very early in my life. Also set early in my life was a love for God and to this day, I do not see any conflict between being a devoted Christian and being a true American patriot. Our Founders did not have a conflict between their love for God and their love for America either…for me that is good company to stand with.

The greatest traitors that our country, in fact, the whole world must deal with, are those black hearted people I call “revisionist historians”. They are those pseudo scholars that alter the truth to meet their desired ends. In America, this brood of vipers has kept many of our countrymen from knowing the truth about the founding of this Nation as “One Nation under God”… and what happens when the church is not free.

How many “modern” Americans know that those much maligned and slandered Pilgrim/Puritans who landed at what is now Plymouth Massachusetts signed a sacred covenant with The Lord called The Mayflower Compact (America’s “birth certificate”)? How many know that the primary “slogan” of The War For American Independence (some call the Revolutionary War) was … ”We will have no other king but King Jesus”? How many know that of the majority of the signers of that marvelous cornerstone of American liberty, The Declaration Of American Independence, were devote, baptized, open, consecrated Christians? Let me give you the answer… not many and certainly not enough! What happens when the church is not free?

Today, this country spends billions of dollars on “education” but what have we gotten for these tax-extracted dollars? We have gotten a general population that is ignorant of some of the most important parts of our heritage. One of our founders was empathetic in noting that “ ignorant and free can never be”. Can you see now why I chose the Scripture verse I did to began this writing?

In the town of Lexington is a well preserved (thank God and some patriots) two story colonial house called The Hancock-Clark house named for two great Christians of the founding era…two great patriots, John Hancock and Jonas Clark. Most people are more familiar with Hancock than they are with Clark

Please allow me to introduce him to you… people meet Pastor Jonas Clark. Are you shocked? You mean some one who was a clergyman, a church leader and a pulpit preacher got involved with “politics” and the cause of liberty? Can you imagine he had the “audacity” to harbor the known “criminals” John Hancock and Samuel Adams in the parsonage (church property)? Just before the British troops arrived in Lexington for that battle of note (“the shot heard around the world”), Pastor Clark delivered a rousing and inspirational message from Judges 6-8 encouraging the local militiamen to (the minutemen) fight fiercely for God and country. He knew what would happen if the church was not free. Now, stay with me, as I further lay out my case.

Is there any one in America today that would say that the church is really like what it was in the first century? Does any one care that it isn’t? I care. If you are a Christian, you will care too! Many will argue that the world is so vastly different than the first century but is it really? Jesus Christ began the church, that He expected to follow Him through the ages, in the Roman Empire. I certainly wouldn’t insult your intelligence to say that those times were the same as ours in areas of technology but do not be deceived, governmentally, socially, morally, behaviorally, they were very similar. I wish it were not so.

The beginning of the true New Testament Church was on The Day of Pentecost as recorded in the Book of Acts. Jesus declared His church (His Father’s House) not be a “ a house of merchandize…but a house of prayer”. He said His Kingdom was not of this world and emphasized the distinctions between His followers and the rest of the population. All of the early church leaders were martyred (killed) for their refusal to put devotion to Caesar (government) above devotion to God. They knew and understood the Ten Commandments (not the Ten Suggestions) and had the mind of Christ in regards to the proper role of civil government. A “mind set” we desperately need today. What happens when the church is not free?

Many casual Bible readers have been put off by the “difficulties” of the Book of Revelation. Let me offer an explanation for its symbolism… the Roman government! If the Apostle John, as the “secretary” for The Holy Sprit writing it, had clearly spelled out what He wanted the readers to do concerning civil disobedience, the Romans would never have let those writings leave the island of Patmos (remind you of any other times in history). Believe it or not the Romans did have “ freedom of religion”… if … you accepted Caesar as God and took a license for your “church”… neither of which, the early New Testament Christians, in good conscience, could or would do! It was considered blasphemy and the way of destroying the truth of The Gospel. They knew what would happen if the church was not free.

It is amazing what one can learn reading someone’s diary. When we read the Bible, we are reading the way the Creator (The One mentioned in The Declaration of American Independence) wants life to be for us. When we read the writings of the Founders of the Plymouth colony and the writings of the Founders of America, we find out how educated these people were in tyranny. They were willing to die (and many did) to avoid it like the black plague. They knew what would happen if the church was not free.

The U.S. Constitution was crafted by men who did not want to repeat the atrocities of the state run church…(they had read about the “whore of Babylon and the mark of the beast”) such as was the case through out Europe and certainly in England. King George was both king of the civil government and head of the Anglican Church. Opposition to George was tantamount, in his thinking, to opposing God… although, he personally cared little what God thought about his actions. He knew what would happen if the church was not free. He did his level best to make sure it was not!

Beginning in the-mid 1770s, preachers began to deliver sermons critical of the abuses of the British rule in the American colonies. Many colonists were stirred up in a similar way that had happened in England with the Puritans/Pilgrims in pre-Plymouth colony days. The truth was told and freedom was prized… but, as with all such situations throughout man’s history, not without a heavy price.

By the time of the War for American Independence, those preachers had a bounty on their heads… and for what? Preaching the truth…opposing tyranny…teaching the colonial citizens to stand up for their God given -freedoms and take responsibility for their walk with Christ. It became a capitol crime and preachers and their families were executed. They knew what would happen if the church was not free.

Continue reading... http://hushmoney.org/no_free-church.htm

[jbuttell]

I don't see how anyone can be "Christ-like" without being a pacifist.

Yikes Jonny... Think you have a bit of reading up on Christ if you think he's a pacifist.

[Johnny Appleseed]

You have heard that it has been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
But I say to you, That you resist not evil: but whoever shall smite you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also.
And if any man will sue you at the law, and take away your coat, let him have your cloak also.
And whoever shall compel you to go a mile, go with him two.
Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
"You have heard the law that says, 'Love your neighbor' and hate your enemy.
But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you!
In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike.
If you love only those who love you, what reward is there for that? Even corrupt tax collectors do that much.
If you are kind only to your friends, how are you different from anyone else? Even pagans do that.

[tsetsefly]

When did this love and blind following of the Pharisees begin to creep into American Christianity? 1960’s? 70’s?

What’s amazing is these people are railing against the Muslims….a group of people who are:
* The most resistant to the hedonistic pop culture being pumped by Hollywood and the record industry all over the world
* The most family oriented culture in the world
* The only other people besides Christians, who accept that Jesus (Peace be upon him) was the Promised Messiah for the Children of Israel (While the Pharisees rejected him and are still waiting)
* The people who are the best at God-rememberance in everyday life at all levels of society. “God Willing”, “Praise God”, “May God Bless you”, etc. can be heard numerous times through regular conversations in the Muslim world….at the business, academic, and family levels.
* The people who are least concerned with the worldly life and most concerned with the hereafter (at least we should be)

Instead these “Evangelicals”, being led by their Zionist pastors, have taken the side of the socialists, atheists, and the arrogant rejectors of Jesus Christ. Nice.:confused:

Lets not go that far, Islam is a barbaric religion that has got the middle east stuck in the middle ages intellectually. Islam is a great example of what goes wrong when you have state sponsored religion. I believe it is a small threat to the free world but one that is handled with ideas and not with bombs.

As for the christians and muslims, in the US they have teamed up on certain issues like creationism...

[alex_florida]

First of all, your argument that Arab on Arab violence was at a higher rate than Arab vs. Israeli since WW2 has no relevance except anecdotal. What about the fact that most of the major invasions and wars since WW2 have been committed or backed by one of the 2 major superpowers (USA and USSR)? When was the last time a sovereign Muslim nation invaded a non-Muslim nation? Can you answer that for me?

Secondly, people are quick to bring up the hudud punishments employed by an Islamic state without any understanding. Stoning for adultery is not restricted to women. The punishment is the same for men, and their should be 4 witnesses and no reasonable doubt. Stoning is also enjoined in the Bible too, as I’m sure you know. Not to mention, there are very view Muslim countries that actually practice stoning or any of the hudud punishments. Saudi Arabia, Iran, and some parts of Nigeria and Pakistan are the only places I can think of that practice this. Yet, some would have you believe the whole Muslim world is governed like Taliban-era Afghanistan.

But, I’ll tell you this, you won’t find the high rate of murder and crime, divorce, fornication, drug use, or open sin in the Muslim world today as you see in the supposed “Judeo-Christian” West. That does not mean it’s a perfect utopian land of milk and honey. My point is that it’s ironic that the people most hated by some of these pro-Pharisee “Evangelicals” are the ones who could be considered the most socially conservative and most religious in the world.

Only in ethnic conflict in Sudan one group of muslims have killed more than 8-9 millions of another muslims within the last 20 years after USSR was disintegrated and there were no cold war of two superpowers. Or may be USA or Israel have done ethnic cleansing their? Again, do not simplify...

[alucard13mmfmj]

i hate to generalize people... but Fxxk Em.

they voted for Santorum and they voted for Newt.

[Evangelical_Protestant]

Its frustrating being in my position. I hope to find people like myself in my community and open our own church that holds to true biblical principles. I feel like I need to lead a reformation of the reformation movement.

What frustrates me the most is there are non-believers arguing against my God, and then out of the shadows comes a "christian" to plead the case FOR God using principles that are ungodly. From my perspective it looks like two massive groups of unbelievers arguing about God with each other.

As far as the zionism I am unsure about it. I'm not so sure that Israel the physical nation that exist today under that name is the thing that the Bible wants us to devote so much thought to. The old testament in the Christian view was fulfilled, and God's people have no national borders today. I haven't looked into it, but I've also heard that the Jews that live in Israel today are not even of the same blood-line as the ones spoken of in the Bible but are mostly converts from unrelated nations. Anyway, I don't believe it matters. What matters is that the physical of Israel rejects Jesus, so how are they still God's people? There is no temple, so they cannot offer sacrafices. The ultimate sacrafice was given and Judaism has been fulfilled. So why Christians are still so set on a physical peace of land I'm not so sure I understand.

Even if the physical nation of Israel is what the Bible is referring to, then the people that occupy it right now are not the ones that have a right to it. I have alot on my mind about this so I'll stop here. But not basing every decision on the physical nation of Israel that calls itself by that name today does not make one anti-semetic.

I do not support the Jewish domination of several aspects of western culture, but that does not mean that I hate Jews. There is a difference, and its frustrating that most of my bretheren don't get it.

[affa]

They hate them for the same reason they hate RP and by extension, us:

Nobody likes being called out on their hypocrisy.

This is true, but you're actually understating it.
Nobody likes being REMINDED of their hypocrisy.

You need not call them out on it. Your very existence will irk them.

[CaptainAmerica]

Iowa did not like Gingrich

[icon124]

No just to many inbreeds in S.C.

That place is certified retarded....I stopped there for food when I was driving back from Florida....not that smart of a place LOL

[GunnyFreedom]

Indeed they are. These are the very people that will comply with government to snitch on you. The Clergy Response teams were all put in place for martial law! They will base this all upon the twisted interpretation of Romans 13.

If people want to join a church or Bible Studies they need to keep away from those who claim the 501 c3 exemptions.

http://www.famguardian.org/Subjects/Spirituality/501c3_small.jpg


What Happens When The Church Is Not Free?

By Garrett Lear

“Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free” (John 8:32 KJV). O.K., I confess, I love The Lord Jesus Christ. I love and trust God’s Word (The Holy Bible) pure and unadulterated straight up and in your face! You see I have tested it and I know it is true. I am certainly not the only person in this world who has had this same attitude or a Biblical worldview. I am also not the only American who has loved God and taken Him at His Word either. The Founding Fathers of America did.

...snip...

By the time of the War for American Independence, those preachers had a bounty on their heads… and for what? Preaching the truth…opposing tyranny…teaching the colonial citizens to stand up for their God given -freedoms and take responsibility for their walk with Christ. It became a capitol crime and preachers and their families were executed. They knew what would happen if the church was not free.

Continued... (http://www.thewelloflivingwater.com/blog/http://)

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[GunnyFreedom]

You have heard that it has been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
But I say to you, That you resist not evil: but whoever shall smite you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also.
And if any man will sue you at the law, and take away your coat, let him have your cloak also.
And whoever shall compel you to go a mile, go with him two.
Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
"You have heard the law that says, 'Love your neighbor' and hate your enemy.
But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you!
In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike.
If you love only those who love you, what reward is there for that? Even corrupt tax collectors do that much.
If you are kind only to your friends, how are you different from anyone else? Even pagans do that.

That's called strategic victory under the reality of Kingdom Law and logic.

This is the same Jesus who said in Luke 22:36 "And He said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one."" [NASB]

Jesus was more about a kind of 'Non Aggression Principle' very similar to what libertarians believe. He was a 'pacifist' like Ron Paul is an 'isolationist.' He simply was not.

He Himself took up a small measure of violence in driving the moneychangers out of the Temple.

The actions you cite are those which hilight the distinction between the way the world works and the way the Kingdom works. Paul addressed the same principle in Romans 12:20 "Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head." [KJV] and demonstrated that this behavior is actually intended to gain advantage over an enemy under Kingdom logic.

Given that turning the other cheek, feeding your enemy, etc will actually cause them real harm in a far more lasting (eternal) way than simply hitting them back, the pacifist could not turn the other cheek because doing so actively harms the enemy in the eternal Kingdom.

The other posters are right, Christ is not a pacifist. He is a non-aggressivist. He told His disciples to buy swords, which is incompatible with pacifism. The scripture simply does not support your assertion.

[floridasun1983]

I am what would be considered an "evangelical Christian, being a Southern Baptist, and I am just as shocked and disgusted by this embrace of Newt Gingrich as most people here are. I don't understand it.

[Southron]

FWIW, I don't personally know anyone who likes, or would vote for Newt Gingrich.

[Anti Federalist]

http://oi53.tinypic.com/30u7cl4.jpg

Garrett Lear is a neighbor of ours whom we've met with a number of times.

An outstanding pastor and Christian man.

You'd enjoy fellowship with him, I gaurantee it.

http://thepatriotpastor.org/