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Maestro232
01-20-2012, 07:57 AM
So I think the objective of ABC was to take Mitt out this week, or to just do damage. And I think they were saving Marianne Gingrich for Monday after the vote, after Newt wins or theoretically wins South Carolina, then they run the Marianne interview, and that takes Newt out of, and then who we left with? As far as they're concerned, Santorum and Ron Paul. And they think, okay, that's it, Obama's won now, and there's nothing the Republicans can do.

More: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/01/19/drudge_screwed_up_abc_s_plans_for_the_marianne_gin grich_interview

Now, I don't like Rush, but he often figures out what the media is up to. This is quite interesting if the media is trying to take out Romulus and Gangrene because they think a Santorum/Paul field guarantees an Obama win. I wonder if this is true. If so, it definitely helps us.

The Goat
01-20-2012, 08:06 AM
well then the next step is to pump Santorum. because the media knows Paul would murder Obama. Rush is just trying to get Gingrich more votes in flordia, thats where he lives and has a decent amount of influence.

luctor-et-emergo
01-20-2012, 08:10 AM
All warfare is based on deception - "The Art of War by Sun Tzu"

You decide.

demolama
01-20-2012, 08:23 AM
I just happened to listen last night on the way home and he hammered over and over the names Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich, a technique similar to how some students learn new vocabulary. It was sickening to listen to. He refused to even mention it is a four man race because Paul obviously doesn't count as a conservative in his eyes and therefore irrelevant.


Meanwhile he continued with his little rant about how he doesn't tell people how to vote and that they are intelligent enough to make up their own minds. People who buy into his crap are oblivious to the subliminal indoctrination they receive.

We as a movement need to push education. We need radio host on more stations promoting liberty. We need professors and teachers. Only education can change the course.

Tyler_Durden
01-20-2012, 08:27 AM
I'm new to politics and I hear alot about the "liberal media."

Can someone explain how/why the media wants Obama?

Were people saying the same thing about Bush?

UK4Paul
01-20-2012, 08:30 AM
I just happened to listen last night on the way home and he hammered over and over the names Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich

He doesn't need to tell them how to vote, because those three are just different shades of the same grey.

Jack Bauer
01-20-2012, 08:31 AM
I'm new to politics and I hear alot about the "liberal media."

Can someone explain how/why the media wants Obama?

Were people saying the same thing about Bush?

There is no such thing as a liberal media.

The media is not pro left or pro right. The media is pro state.

Without people and corporations depending on the state, the news media would have no use as a propaganda tool.

RPsupporterAtHeart
01-20-2012, 08:41 AM
Santorum crashes with SOPA, plain and simple. He was clearly feeling uneasy last night having to answer the way he did, and he STILL got booed. Imagine if they heard what he really thought.

If the establishment really wants to take down Mitt, it's at their own peril, because Ron will destroy Gingrich and Santorum.

Student Of Paulism
01-20-2012, 08:42 AM
I already heard Rush say a ton of times that the Dems would love to have Mitt up there too, as he would be easily beaten by Obama.

Liberty74
01-20-2012, 08:52 AM
Newt is not electable.

Henry Hazlitt
01-20-2012, 08:59 AM
I'm new to politics and I hear alot about the "liberal media."

Can someone explain how/why the media wants Obama?

Were people saying the same thing about Bush?
Journalists tends to be lefties which is a more general thing about the type of people who go into similar professions. For example if you look at humanties departartments at universities they are dominated by lefties of different sorts. So partly the reason why the media has a bias towards the left is that the people reporting have those views.

Another reason is that journalists tends to believe that truly are objective and therefore shouldn't interfere with what the sources say. So what happens is that those covering washington are in direct contact with politicians and they are always pro state. In other words journalist get caught up in the environment that they are supposed to cover. Not to add that those journalist that are too critical don't get the good sources and connections.

Then you have another reason which is the corporations that owns the media. They also tend to be tied in with the state and in fact benefit of the state.

In America you have tended to have journalists who professed to be objective but this was was never really true. For a long time conservatives and those outside the centrist to left of center univers were upset at what they saw as a clear bias in the reporting both in tv and newspapers(New York Times for example). This isn't true in other places. For example in England everybody knows that The Guardian is left of center and and The Guardian doesn't pretend it isn't true. Likewise The Telegraph is right of center in England.
Here is some good articles to read on it this.

http://www.salon.com/2011/11/24/bob_schieffer_ron_paul_and_journalistic_objectivit y/singleton/#comments

http://reason.com/archives/2010/11/01/the-media-arent-liberal

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/13/arthur_brisbane_and_selective_stenography/singleton/

Todd
01-20-2012, 08:59 AM
There is no such thing as a liberal media.

The media is not pro left or pro right. The media is pro state.

Without people and corporations depending on the state, the news media would have no use as a propaganda tool.

Sorta..

Since many believe the ultimate goal of Statism is Collective control and One world government, then the media is a statist propoganda tool. But that philosophy is has it's foundation on the left.

gb13
01-20-2012, 09:03 AM
I'm new to politics and I hear alot about the "liberal media."

Can someone explain how/why the media wants Obama?

Were people saying the same thing about Bush?



There is no such thing as a liberal media.

The media is not pro left or pro right. The media is pro state.

Without people and corporations depending on the state, the news media would have no use as a propaganda tool.

^ This. They each simply favor their own particular brand of Statism.

Tyler_Durden
01-20-2012, 09:05 AM
Interesting. Thanks for all the input.

Pete Kay
01-20-2012, 09:27 AM
well then the next step is to pump Santorum. because the media knows Paul would murder Obama. Rush is just trying to get Gingrich more votes in flordia, thats where he lives and has a decent amount of influence.

That's a nice thought, but the polls don't show that Ron Paul would beat Obama. I think it would be a really close election and I think the same goes for Romney. Even with all of Obama's failures as a president, we have to admit that Ron Paul next to Obama is a tough sell for a lot of people. Obama's cult of personality is still very strong. The MSM narrative would be Ron Paul, an old White man, trying to defeat our first Black President and turn back the clocks on progress. You know that's the way it would go down.

Occam's Banana
01-20-2012, 09:30 AM
There is no such thing as a liberal media.

The media is not pro left or pro right. The media is pro state.

Without people and corporations depending on the state, the news media would have no use as a propaganda tool.

^^This.^^

Rush Limbaugh *IS* "the media."

sailingaway
01-20-2012, 09:30 AM
More: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/01/19/drudge_screwed_up_abc_s_plans_for_the_marianne_gin grich_interview

Now, I don't like Rush, but he often figures out what the media is up to. This is quite interesting if the media is trying to take out Romulus and Gangrene because they think a Santorum/Paul field guarantees an Obama win. I wonder if this is true. If so, it definitely helps us.

Rush has this weird obsession with the idea the media PUMPS Ron which is so demonstrably wrong I don't even know where to start. However, everyone knows Ron is still in this after South Carolina, regardless of what happens there.

Ron polls GREAT against Obama, he statistically tied Obama in two or three polls this last week.

sailingaway
01-20-2012, 09:33 AM
Interesting. Thanks for all the input.

The media is a special interest. Just like any other corporation. It is not entirely a monolithic special interest, but it IS interested in preserving the status quo, because it is doing quite well, thank you, just as things are...

wgadget
01-20-2012, 09:34 AM
Rush and all the other pundits want Obama to win.

It's obvious. Ratings and $$$$ are all that matter to them. Oh, and power over the dumb masses.

sailingaway
01-20-2012, 09:34 AM
That's a nice thought, but the polls don't show that Ron Paul would beat Obama. I think it would be a really close election and I think the same goes for Romney. Even with all of Obama's failures as a president, we have to admit that Ron Paul next to Obama is a tough sell for a lot of people. Obama's cult of personality is still very strong. The MSM narrative would be Ron Paul, an old White man, trying to defeat our first Black President and turn back the clocks on progress. You know that's the way it would go down.

It would not go down at all. People are sick of that meme. Media would try to sell it, or anything else, to preserve the status quo, but that wouldn't sell.

wgadget
01-20-2012, 09:35 AM
This is one of my MAJOR pet peeves.

Where do Hannity, Sarah Palin, Limbaugh, etc get off saying they're NOT THE MEDIA?

WTF? My guess is that the more they say this, the more people will trust them. STUPID SHEEP.

tbone717
01-20-2012, 09:35 AM
Ron polls GREAT against Obama, he statistically tied Obama in two or three polls this last week.

And that is great considering at this point an Obama v Paul race, and for that matter an Obama v Romney race is still hypothetical.

slamhead
01-20-2012, 09:47 AM
Obviously Rush Limbaugh is irrelevant now were conservationism is concerned. I stopped listening to Rush when I found myself yelling at my radio. He can talk and talk all day long about who is a true conservative or who is anti-Romney and absolutely avoids mentioning RP. Whenever anyone gets on his show and speaks of Ron Paul they are accused of being a liberal.

otherone
01-20-2012, 09:55 AM
There is no 'left' or 'right'. These are anachronistic terms meant to disguise our Hobbesian state. Just follow the money...who gives how much to what campaign. Everything else is lipstick on a pig.

thesnake742
01-20-2012, 09:59 AM
All the big news talk guys always portray themselves as these outsiders; undercutting mainstream thought by going rogue and doing a radio show instead! Once you get the amount of listeners those shows have, it no longer matters. It's all under the same category. They are just as mainstream as the rest.

Travlyr
01-20-2012, 10:20 AM
This is one of my MAJOR pet peeves.

Where do Hannity, Sarah Palin, Limbaugh, etc get off saying they're NOT THE MEDIA?

WTF? My guess is that the more they say this, the more people will trust them. STUPID SHEEP.
Mine too. Repetition works. How is Maha Rushie's three hour per day radio show not considered mainstream? If you tell a lie often enough people will believe it.

joelfarm
01-20-2012, 10:34 AM
We had this same problem with the "media" during the last presidential campaign- Ron Paul is dispised mainley because of his beliefs, those being strict adherance to the Constitution, but the sad fact is that the average voter is lazy and apathetic. It strains their brain to be forced to understand the dynamics and repercusions of the economy and it's manipulation by government and the power elite.
Add to this the problem Dr. Paul has in communicating this message. He admitted this weakness last night. I really do not understand why the campaign has not been able to improve his presentation. He sometimes comes across as fumbling and rambling. I adore Ron Paul and we all owe him our support because he is indeed a behind the scene kind of worker. Not a celebrity type. We have far too many of those showboats up there now.

KEEF
01-20-2012, 10:42 AM
well then the next step is to pump Santorum. because the media knows Paul would murder Obama. Rush is just trying to get Gingrich more votes in flordia, thats where he lives and has a decent amount of influence.

^This. Rush is just trying to pump up the establishment base. Any idiot who looks at the head to head match up would tell you that Ron Paul and Mitt are in a statistical tie with Obama, and if it were just Paul against Obama, we would win outright because of the Fox brainwashed folks that would end up voting for Paul because they were programmed to get Obama out of office.

Thank you Rush (kinda)

otherone
01-20-2012, 10:55 AM
In a larger context, the liberal media is doing everything in their power to prevent a Republican frontrunner to emerge...the closer to August, the less time for a united GOP to confront Obama. On the other side, the neocon media is doing everything possible to prevent Paul from being the nominee, and by so doing, surging his opposition to prevent a two-man race. This is delaying a national platform to oppose Obama. The GOP is in SERIOUS trouble. If they want to unseat Obama, they have to back Dr.Paul.....:p

Voluntary Man
01-20-2012, 10:57 AM
Flush, as usual, is wrong. If his conspiracy theory were correct, the Monkey Shines Media (including Limpboy) wouldn't continually attack Ron. El Flush-bo is a stooge.

Flush twice.

acptulsa
01-20-2012, 10:57 AM
All warfare is based on deception - "The Art of War by Sun Tzu"

You decide.

And Limbaugh is part of the media, despite his protestations of independence. Where do you hear his voice? At the next table in the coffee shop? Seriously.

So, if Rush is part and parcel of this media play to get Obama reelected in spite of himself, what is Rush's role? Obviously, as the cowboy who guards the 'right flank' of the herd and keeps the cows on that end from going astray. And how does he do this? Simple. He paints the only one who can beat Obama as being as unelectable as Santorum so that his cows--or if you prefer, his sheep--will put their weight behind a G.O.P. candidate with enough baggage to break the backs of seven strong bellhops, that's what. Because they don't have enough sense not to believe Rush when he tells them that ten tons of baggage won't matter to general election voters.

Pauls' Revere
01-20-2012, 11:00 AM
All warfare is based on deception - "The Art of War by Sun Tzu"

You decide.

^^this^^

The war is won before it's even fought.

wgadget
01-20-2012, 11:03 AM
IMHO, only a massive awakening to the media propagandists can propel Ron to the Presidency.

The people need to see that there is no right/left paradigm.

acptulsa
01-20-2012, 11:07 AM
^^this^^

The war is won before it's even fought.

Ah, is it now? And did we win or lose this one before we even began to fight?


IMHO, only a massive awakening to the media propagandists can propel Ron to the Presidency.

The people need to see that there is no right/left paradigm.

But there is not only a left/right paradigm, there are two. There's a real one, and there's a false one.

There's the socialists vs. us, and that's oh so real. And then there's the 'you help poor people by throwing money at them for doing all the wrong things and killing themselves' vs. 'you help poor people by either giving them a war to fight or popping them in prison' left/right paradigm. And it's false.

wgadget
01-20-2012, 11:11 AM
Ah, is it now? And did we win or lose this one before we even began to fight?



But there is not only a left/right paradigm, there are two. There's a real one, and there's a false one.

There's the socialists vs. us, and that's oh so real. And then there's the 'you help poor people by throwing money at them for doing all the wrong things and killing themselves' vs. 'you help poor people by either giving them a war to fight or popping them in prison' left/right paradigm. And it's false.

But both of those paradigms involve the Federal Reserve scam system of printing money to preserve the Empire. And the Empire is broke. There IS a paradigm: the State vs. the People. I'll go that far. Problem is, the State has most of the ammunition. So far, we still have the Internet and the ability to influence people in our personal spheres of influence. The State has the media propagandists and the power of coercion. Uphill battle.

acptulsa
01-20-2012, 11:16 AM
But both of those paradigms involve the Federal Reserve scam system of printing money to preserve the Empire. And the Empire is broke. There IS a paradigm: the State vs. the People. I'll go that far. Problem is, the State has most of the ammunition. So far, we still have the Internet and the ability to influence people in our personal spheres of influence. The State has the media propagandists and the power of coercion. Uphill battle.

Uphill battle. But the empire has only bull as a sales tool, while we have truth. For Limbaugh listeners, bull works just as well. Even if they have the brains to detect it, they seem perfectly willing to ignore that little bell ringing in the back of their minds. But even these people have smarter people they trust, and even these people are losing their jobs or just having their standard of living contract around them. So, while we have an uphill battle, as long as the powers that be want to victimize everyone Limbaugh's audience will shrink. Eventually they'll be able to afford neither radio nor power source for a radio, right? And that day seems to be looming sooner rather than later.

wgadget
01-20-2012, 11:19 AM
Uphill battle. But the empire has only bull as a sales tool, while we have truth. For Limbaugh listeners, bull works just as well. Even if they have the brains to detect it, they seem perfectly willing to ignore that little bell ringing in the back of their minds. But even these people have smarter people they trust, and even these people are losing their jobs or just having their standard of living contract around them. So, while we have an uphill battle, as long as the powers that be want to victimize everyone Limbaugh's audience will shrink. Eventually they'll be able to afford neither radio nor power source for a radio, right? And that day seems to be looming sooner rather than later.

Yes, a complete collapse is Ron Paul's only hope. How sad. We have an uphill battle and we're racing the debt clock at the same time.

cartemj06
01-20-2012, 12:03 PM
Rush's article serves one purpose, to victimize newt and mitt or to at least frame it that way. The next thing from that is that Neo-cons feel like they are "attacked" so they go into defense and solidarity to fight off the wrong doing perpetrated by the liberal media, in essence solidifying newt and romney as "under attack" and a threat to the left. we must beat the left...

heavenlyboy34
01-20-2012, 12:14 PM
All warfare is based on deception - "The Art of War by Sun Tzu"

You decide.
+1 The propaganda techniques used by media today are age-old. Pick up a book about propaganda and you'll see. There was one such book mentioned on the forums a few months ago, but I don't have it handy. Try a forum search.

heavenlyboy34
01-20-2012, 12:20 PM
But there is not only a left/right paradigm, there are two. There's a real one, and there's a false one.

There's the socialists vs. us, and that's oh so real. And then there's the 'you help poor people by throwing money at them for doing all the wrong things and killing themselves' vs. 'you help poor people by either giving them a war to fight or popping them in prison' left/right paradigm. And it's false.
That's more of a dialectic than a paradigm, IMO. But you're right that left and right socialists both use it and people fall for it all the time.

Moebedda
01-20-2012, 12:21 PM
I listened to Rush and was a fan for 20 years, and now the guy makes me sick every time I listen to him simply because he ignores or belittles Paul.

wgadget
01-20-2012, 12:27 PM
I listened to Rush and was a fan for 20 years, and now the guy makes me sick every time I listen to him simply because he ignores or belittles Paul.

Congrats, and welcome. You're now among friends. :)

DisabledVet
01-20-2012, 12:46 PM
There is no such thing as a liberal media.

The media is not pro left or pro right. The media is pro state.

Without people and corporations depending on the state, the news media would have no use as a propaganda tool.

I beg to differ... the media is pro ENTERTAINMENT and PRO ADVERTIZING REVENUE. Peace is boring. Balanced Budgets are boring, lack of scandals are boring.

If you notice, the stock market ALWAYS drops faster on FEAR then it raises on good news. This is based on the basic human emotions and reactions. FEAR is the most powerful emotion the media can use easily.

So naturally the media wants to keep whomever and whatever in motion to continue generating powerful news.

With Dr. Paul as president things getting better and better and no wars and general peace, why watch the news? Everything's going good.

ConsideringRonPaul
01-20-2012, 12:57 PM
I listened to Rush and was a fan for 20 years, and now the guy makes me sick every time I listen to him simply because he ignores or belittles Paul.

I'm still a Rush fan but his dislike of Paul at times irks me as well.

wgadget
01-20-2012, 01:07 PM
I'm still a Rush fan but his dislike of Paul at times irks me as well.

OMG. Rush is part of the corporate media problem. :eek:

seapilot
01-20-2012, 01:57 PM
I'm still a Rush fan but his dislike of Paul at times irks me as well.

I would predict that his love for big govt and preserving the status quo is so great, in a match between Obama and Paul, he would support Obama. He would say if Paul wins its the end of the Republican party, so vote for Obama to keep the Republican party alive or some BS like that.

It would wake up a lot of people, and the closer RP gets to the White House the more unglued and bizarre these hacks for the establishment will become. It will be a Baghdad Bob moment for all of them.

nayjevin
01-20-2012, 01:58 PM
+1 The propaganda techniques used by media today are age-old. Pick up a book about propaganda and you'll see. There was one such book mentioned on the forums a few months ago, but I don't have it handy. Try a forum search.

try this in the google search box --

site:ronpaulforums.com "search term"

Giuliani was there on 911
01-20-2012, 02:33 PM
There is no such thing as a liberal media.

The media is not pro left or pro right. The media is pro state.

Without people and corporations depending on the state, the news media would have no use as a propaganda tool.

The media is definitely pro left. I hate agreeing with mainstream republicans too but they're right about the media.

heavenlyboy34
01-20-2012, 02:38 PM
I just happened to listen last night on the way home and he hammered over and over the names Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich, a technique similar to how some students learn new vocabulary. It was sickening to listen to. He refused to even mention it is a four man race because Paul obviously doesn't count as a conservative in his eyes and therefore irrelevant.


Meanwhile he continued with his little rant about how he doesn't tell people how to vote and that they are intelligent enough to make up their own minds. People who buy into his crap are oblivious to the subliminal indoctrination they receive.

We as a movement need to push education. We need radio host on more stations promoting liberty. We need professors and teachers. Only education can change the course.
Local stations are good for this. Stations like KFNX are actively looking for hosts, so libertarians have a good opportunity to get the message out at the local level. Our own Nick Coons has (or used to have, not sure anymore) a radio show.

mosquitobite
01-20-2012, 02:39 PM
I beg to differ... the media is pro ENTERTAINMENT and PRO ADVERTIZING REVENUE. Peace is boring. Balanced Budgets are boring, lack of scandals are boring.

If you notice, the stock market ALWAYS drops faster on FEAR then it raises on good news. This is based on the basic human emotions and reactions. FEAR is the most powerful emotion the media can use easily.

So naturally the media wants to keep whomever and whatever in motion to continue generating powerful news.

With Dr. Paul as president things getting better and better and no wars and general peace, why watch the news? Everything's going good.

But you said the same thing he said. (basically)

The media is bought and paid for. They control EVERYTHING with their reporting. Stock market, elections, etc.

Who benefits? ;) Those in power. How do they get in power? Big money. How does big money make their money? Stock market, elections....

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