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limequat
01-19-2012, 10:59 AM
I found this in the NBC Marist Poll Report for SC:

"Among independents, Romney has 30% to 28% for Paul, and 17% for Gingrich. On
Monday, 31% of independents supported Romney followed by 24% for Paul and
14% for Gingrich. On Tuesday, Paul received 31% to 29% for Romney and 20% for
Gingrich."


RP picked up an additional 7% of independents only one day after the debate. Overall he moved up 2 points.

Tyler_Durden
01-19-2012, 11:10 AM
The goods are in the fine print :)

unknown
01-19-2012, 11:11 AM
Im telling you, this might be the best time in history to run as an Indie if he doesnt get the nomination.

limequat
01-19-2012, 11:12 AM
The goods are in the fine print :)

I still think a 2nd is possible. Every poll I see underpolls RPs key demographics. The politico poll polled 4% under 40 years old.

dancjm
01-19-2012, 11:14 AM
I think Mitt will drop out at the convention and endorse Ron. :D

blazeKing
01-19-2012, 11:15 AM
Im telling you, this might be the best time in history to run as an Indie if he doesnt get the nomination.


I agree, the Republican party needs to learn that it can't toss out small government principles. We don't believe them anymore. We need a viable 3rd party.

Tyler_Durden
01-19-2012, 11:18 AM
I agree, the Republican party needs to learn that it can't toss out small government principles. We don't believe them anymore. We need a viable 3rd party.

But don't some states make you register indie? That would narrow our chances if people didn't know or didn't switch in time....

Icymudpuppy
01-19-2012, 11:36 AM
The biggest problem with an independent run is even when people agree with the candidate, TPTB have convinced 70% of the electorate that voting third party is "throwing your vote away".

The fun part is at the 7 minute mark onward.

http://sclipo.com/videos/view/kang-and-kodos

John F Kennedy III
01-19-2012, 11:38 AM
Independent isn't on the ballot in all states.

It's either Republican or Libertarian Party.

Liberty74
01-19-2012, 11:55 AM
Im telling you, this might be the best time in history to run as an Indie if he doesnt get the nomination.

I agree and it could be the best time for anyone if we go to war in Iran and there is an economic collapse in 2012.

Liberty74
01-19-2012, 11:58 AM
Independent isn't on the ballot in all states.

It's either Republican or Libertarian Party.

BS. Libertarian Party will only get 1% with all states and an Independent Ron is already at 18% as an Independent because 33% of the nation are registered as such.

Forty Twice
01-19-2012, 12:01 PM
For Ron to be President, he will have to run on a 3rd Party that is on all state's ballots. Libertarian, American Select, etc? I don't care. But I cannot see him winning 50.001% of Republican delegates (including superdelegates which he will get none of). Republican Party will not let Ron be their candidate unless he gets a clear majority of delegates.

seapilot
01-19-2012, 12:07 PM
He could always run as VP to GJ. The contrast between them and the other two exact same bank bail out, health mandates,endless wars,corporate endorsed, spending and anti civil liberties parties would garner a large chunk of the electorate. This country is serious looking for change and tired of the status quo.

wgadget
01-19-2012, 12:08 PM
New party: The INTEGRITY PARTY, the UNITY PARTY, the PRINCIPLED PARTY

Headed by Ron Paul.

ZanZibar
01-19-2012, 12:15 PM
I agree, the Republican party needs to learn that it can't toss out small government principles. We don't believe them anymore. We need a viable 3rd party.A 3rd party run is not viable. The only thing it would do is to teach the GOP a lesson that they can't win without us.

Erazmus
01-19-2012, 12:19 PM
A 3rd party run is not viable. The only thing it would do is to teach the GOP a lesson that they can't win without us.

It's a good lesson. :)

freneticentropy
01-19-2012, 12:23 PM
A 3rd party run is not viable. The only thing it would do is to teach the GOP a lesson that they can't win without us.

Nothing is viable. The question is, how do you build the movement. A speech at the convention is not good enough. We need to throw our weight around. I hope he runs libertarian. He won't win, but he'll get a massive amount of votes and make the Libertarian party viable in the future. It could help libertarians with fundraising around the country, get libertarians elected at the the local and state level and lay the groundwork for a serious libertarian run in 2016 and beyond.

Republicans are hopeless.

Erazmus
01-19-2012, 12:27 PM
I agree with the campaign. It's too early to talk about the 3rd party stuff that the media keeps forcing out there. Ron is doing great, he's rising. And let's face it, he's gotten the message where it is because he's forcing the debate in the Republican party platform where the debate needs to be. Unfortuantely there's still a TON of people in the republicrat paradigm.

NoPants
01-19-2012, 12:27 PM
Im telling you, this might be the best time in history to run as an Indie if he doesnt get the nomination.

I think we could see a possible Johnson/Paul run on the Libertarian ticket. He's been very clear that he has no intention of running 3rd party. However, that would not be the same as accepting a spot as Johnson's VP. It would essentially give all of Ron Paul's hard support to that ticket and with Johnson's foreign policy being slightly different from Ron Paul's he can work hard to prevent the loss of votes over accusation of being "dangerous" because he doesn't want to start preemptive wars.

It's just a wild theory, nothing to back it up. If Ron Paul had not run in 2012 (and I did not think he was going to) I planned to support Johnson. I've been telling people for the last 4 years to look for him when election time came. If Ron Paul's name isn't on the ballot in the general election I'll probably vote for Gary Johnson.

Paulitics 2011
01-19-2012, 12:40 PM
Why don't yall focus on winning the actual nomination?

Stop playing the media narrative just like they want you to.

Erazmus
01-19-2012, 12:41 PM
Why don't yall focus on winning the actual nomination?

Stop playing the media narrative just like they want you to.

Agreed.

ronpaulfollower999
01-19-2012, 01:15 PM
I don't think Independent is actually a party. It's just used to describe someone who is neither a registered Democrat or Republican. So they could be Libertarians, Socialists, or no party affiliation.