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coffeewithgames
01-15-2012, 07:50 PM
Updated/corrected image:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Z_Lc7yVewEc/TxO0Rn3xmfI/AAAAAAAAADI/LFfjx-5dcPU/s400/Ron+Paul+10+Commandments+and+Constitution+follow.j pg

Cleaner44's image:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-U8JmqLWyxgU/TxOZwYcB2_I/AAAAAAAAAJs/rKaGsJs-Rx4/s400/Constitution%2B10%2BCommandments.png

Reason and article here, which is what led me to making the image:
Is Following the Constitution Dangerous? Or, Devastating?
http://www.coffeewithpolitics.com/2012/01/is-following-constitution-dangerous-or.html

Thoughts/opinions on the image?

New Image on ProLife Issue for SC voters:
http://i.imgur.com/CFzBs.jpg

Cleaner44
01-15-2012, 08:02 PM
I like the idea, the image looks very amature/cartoonish. Great text. Just needs an improved visual IMO.

eduardo89
01-15-2012, 08:05 PM
I like the idea, the image looks very amature/cartoonish. Great text. Just needs an improved visual IMO.

I agrees message is great but image needs to be done professionally.

coffeewithgames
01-15-2012, 08:06 PM
I agrees message is great but image needs to be done professionally.

Haha, feel free to update it. I did make the 10 Commandments myself, because I hate using other people's images/photos without permission...but I'm using a program that's 10+ years old, and dated in the graphics/text effects area.

eduardo89
01-15-2012, 08:08 PM
Haha, feel free to update it. I did make the 10 Commandments myself, because I hate using other people's images/photos without permission...but I'm using a program that's 10+ years old, and dated in the graphics/text effects area.

Sadly I can't help you...Im good at graphic design and using photoshop, but I'm currently stuck using an iPad till I get a new laptop!

Cleaner44
01-15-2012, 08:18 PM
I am working on a new version for you right now...

coffeewithgames
01-15-2012, 08:19 PM
I am working on a new version for you right now...

Awesome! I figured somebody with Photoshop or something similar could make a snazzy one. Can't wait to see the results!

vechorik
01-15-2012, 08:39 PM
Nice idea

noxnoctum
01-15-2012, 08:44 PM
Can we please stop mixing politics and Christianity? It's completely wrong.

The others use their religious beliefs to win political points which is just disgusting in my opinion and we shouldn't do the same. Ron Paul himself hardly ever speaks of his faith because he doesn't want to seem to be taking advantage of it to gain a political advantage and neither should we.

coffeewithgames
01-15-2012, 08:50 PM
Can we please stop mixing politics and Christianity? It's completely wrong.

The others use their religious beliefs to win political points which is just disgusting in my opinion and we shouldn't do the same. Ron Paul himself hardly ever speaks of his faith because he doesn't want to seem to be taking advantage of it to gain a political advantage and neither should we.

Using an analogy like this, to try and make sense to Christians (I myself am one), I think is okay. Unless I'm missing something? They go around calling him dangerous/devastating, and I thought of this after the conversation today. You have to use language they understand. Literally, I saw one on FB say the United States would probably be blown up within a year if RP is/when elected. Tailor the message to the audience.

noxnoctum
01-15-2012, 08:53 PM
I am a Christian as well, I just think it's wrong.

Look at Paul and the other apostles or Christ himself. Despite living under a far more oppressive government than ours, despite the Jews actively expecting a "warrior Messiah" to free them from the Romans there is not even a hint of politics in their message.

I'm not attacking you personally, I just think it's fundamentally wrong for Christians to use their faith in any sort of political sphere because you cheapen it in doing so.

The worst is the pastors who actively preach politics from the pulpit, but this sort of thing is bad too. Find other ways to speak to believers.

vechorik
01-15-2012, 08:54 PM
Can we please stop mixing politics and Christianity? It's completely wrong.

The others use their religious beliefs to win political points which is just disgusting in my opinion and we shouldn't do the same. Ron Paul himself hardly ever speaks of his faith because he doesn't want to seem to be taking advantage of it to gain a political advantage and neither should we.

I'm a Christian and in the Tea Party. Believe me, they mix politics and Christianity! Big-time

eduardo89
01-15-2012, 08:55 PM
I like this message and I don't think it cheapens Christianity at all.

coffeewithgames
01-15-2012, 08:59 PM
I am a Christian as well, I just think it's wrong.

Look at Paul and the other apostles or Christ himself. Despite living under a far more oppressive government than ours, despite the Jews actively expecting a "warrior Messiah" to free them from the Romans there is not even a hint of politics in their message.

I'm not attacking you personally, I just think it's fundamentally wrong for Christians to use their faith in any sort of political sphere because you cheapen it in doing so.

Like the poster beneath you, the ones I encounter mix/EXPECT religion with politics Seriously, all it would take is for the candidate to say Jesus' name enough, and they would vote for them on that alone...I am not lying. They are too lazy to research on their own, even when given the information/links. They will yell/scream on Facebook about football games, and how President Obama needs to go...but they won't turn off the "news" and research the candidates on their own.

I personally found RP's message about not attending the National Prayer Breakfast, very refreshing, and one that showed he used/knew the scripture for his reasoning on it.

Cleaner44
01-15-2012, 09:31 PM
I am no expert at this stuff... here is what I came up with so far.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-U8JmqLWyxgU/TxOZwYcB2_I/AAAAAAAAAJs/rKaGsJs-Rx4/s400/Constitution%2B10%2BCommandments.png


Do you have the coffee logo alone you can post?

Carehn
01-15-2012, 09:34 PM
Use this
http://www.oxfamblogs.org/fp2p/wp-content/uploads/10-commandments.jpg

Cleaner44
01-15-2012, 09:43 PM
Use this
http://www.oxfamblogs.org/fp2p/wp-content/uploads/10-commandments.jpg

I was thinking about that but was not sure that it is public domain. Do you know?

coffeewithgames
01-15-2012, 09:45 PM
I was thinking about that but was not sure that it is public domain. Do you know?

Haha! Same reason I was like, "Meh, I'll just make my own."
As for the coffee logo, it's not necessary.

coffeewithgames
01-15-2012, 11:25 PM
bump for updated image from original...and comparison to Cleaner44's image.

noxnoctum
01-15-2012, 11:29 PM
Like the poster beneath you, the ones I encounter mix/EXPECT religion with politics Seriously, all it would take is for the candidate to say Jesus' name enough, and they would vote for them on that alone...I am not lying. They are too lazy to research on their own, even when given the information/links. They will yell/scream on Facebook about football games, and how President Obama needs to go...but they won't turn off the "news" and research the candidates on their own.

I personally found RP's message about not attending the National Prayer Breakfast, very refreshing, and one that showed he used/knew the scripture for his reasoning on it.

Oh I know they do, I'm from SC pretty much the heart of the bible belt so I know all about it.

Just because it's done doesn't mean it's right for us to do it as well though.

I encourage you to reach them in other ways.

Think about this by reversing it for a second, imagine you came across a hardcore socialist who was interested in the message of Christ but heard you (or whoever) mixing it into an argument in favor of pure capitalism, think about the damage that does to the integrity of the gospel. Politics and discussion of politics inevitably divides people, but the gospel is something that when understood (through the holy spirit of course) appeals to every human being and brings us together.

The mixing of the right wing and evangelical Christianity is unique to the USA, it is not a world wide phenomenon, for example my parents knew a missionary family to Japan and they said that over there Christians are "assumed to be socialists"

But frankly it's sad that there's a label at all for either American or Japanese Christians.

Just think about for a second the innate absurdity of politics when compared next to the gospel...

coffeewithgames
01-15-2012, 11:37 PM
Oh I know they do, I'm from SC pretty much the heart of the bible belt so I know all about it.

Just because it's done doesn't mean it's right for us to do it as well though.

I encourage you to reach them in other ways.

Oh believe me, I'm trying...even using scripture. I'm in NC btw, so you're close to me, but I grew up in Louisiana.

noxnoctum
01-15-2012, 11:47 PM
That's what I'm trying to get across though, don't use scripture for the reasons I stated above ;)

EDIt: Maybe that was a typo though and you meant "even without using scripture". Sorry if I misunderstood.

bbwarfield
01-15-2012, 11:55 PM
The message really isn't pandering like the candidates do... It's pointing out an obvious flaw in people's reasoning....atheists will even get the point.... You can't ask someone to throw away something that is at the core of there beliefs

coffeewithgames
01-16-2012, 12:00 AM
That's what I'm trying to get across though, don't use scripture for the reasons I stated above ;)

EDIt: Maybe that was a typo though and you meant "even without using scripture". Sorry if I misunderstood.

No see, I said WITH, because like I mentioned above...these people do not think outside of what they get fed from the media. One of them likes Santorum, and when pressed why...NOTHING from his record was stated, just simply, "He speaks from the heart, and is honest." type answer... Then he replied after I answered POLICY questions about Israel, marriage, etc., with, "Well, Ron Paul would devastate this country. Maybe even more so than another term of Obama." Seriously? How do you talk to people like this without using scripture/messages they will understand, to show them why they are wrong?

J_White
01-16-2012, 12:05 AM
i would like if we can show similarities between the Constitution and the Commandments.
because i think both are based on certain moral truths, it would be easier to connect.
nice idea !

noxnoctum
01-16-2012, 12:14 AM
No see, I said WITH, because like I mentioned above...these people do not think outside of what they get fed from the media. One of them likes Santorum, and when pressed why...NOTHING from his record was stated, just simply, "He speaks from the heart, and is honest." type answer... Then he replied after I answered POLICY questions about Israel, marriage, etc., with, "Well, Ron Paul would devastate this country. Maybe even more so than another term of Obama." Seriously? How do you talk to people like this without using scripture/messages they will understand, to show them why they are wrong?

Just argue from a purely economic/political standpoint. If they don't understand the deeper issues then educate them :).

Ask them why they think Ron Paul would devastate the country >>>

-If they say "Iran will get a nuke!", point out how pre-emptive war is an idea of Hitler's
-Ask them if they're willing to bankrupt the country on the possibility that Iran *might* get a nuke sometime in the future (draw parallels to previous empires that have collapsed due to being over extended and trying to fight on too many fronts)
-Point out how they wouldn't even have a delivery system for this as-yet-constructed nuke
-Point out how Ron Paul is one of the few who backed Israel when they exercised their sovereignty and went after Iraq's facilities, etc etc etc
-Explain how maybe Iran wants it for self defense given that they haven't started an aggressive war in two centuries
-Point out that American aggression weakens the Iranian home-grown opposition (make reference to the huge demonstrations in Iran that were repressed)
-Point out that the frequently used "wipe Israel off the map" is a mistranslation.
-Point out that Pakistan, a Muslim country, has nuclear weapons and that if anything, the fact that both India and Pakistan have nuclear weapons have kept them from annihilating each other in a genocidal war thanks to mutually assured destruction.
-Point out how we were able to smooth things over with the Soviets during the Cuban Missile crisis with diplomacy, and point how how that was an INFINITELY more precarious situation

anyways that's just my opinion. Off for tonight! (Note: I would probably feel comfortable talking to a very close friend about politics and drawing on my beliefs as a Christian, but ONLY if I knew we were both able to make very clear distinctions between the two, but I still think it's an extremely slippery slope... usually I try to avoid taking much of a political position at all "in public")

coffeewithgames
01-16-2012, 12:28 AM
Just argue from a purely economic/political standpoint. If they don't understand the deeper issues then educate them :).

Ask them why they think Ron Paul would devastate the country >>>

-If they say "Iran will get a nuke!", point out how pre-emptive war is an idea of Hitler's
-Ask them if they're willing to bankrupt the country on the possibility that Iran *might* get a nuke sometime in the future (draw parallels to previous empires that have collapsed due to being over extended and trying to fight on too many fronts)
-Point out how they wouldn't even have a delivery system for this as-yet-constructed nuke
-Point out how Ron Paul is one of the few who backed Israel when they exercised their sovereignty and went after Iraq's facilities, etc etc etc
-Explain how maybe Iran wants it for self defense given that they haven't started an aggressive war in two centuries
-Point out that American aggression weakens the Iranian home-grown opposition (make reference to the huge demonstrations in Iran that were repressed)
-Point out that the frequently used "wipe Israel off the map" is a mistranslation.
-Point out that Pakistan, a Muslim country, has nuclear weapons and that if anything, the fact that both India and Pakistan have nuclear weapons have kept them from annihilating each other in a genocidal war thanks to mutually assured destruction.
-Point out how we were able to smooth things over with the Soviets during the Cuban Missile crisis with diplomacy, and point how how that was an INFINITELY more precarious situation

I already did ask him that, with no reply...doubt it will be a reasonable reply IF I even get one.

As for your points:
2) Are you willing to bankrupt the country - default answer will be, "Yes. We must do it, we can't afford not to do it."

"Point out how Ron Paul is one of the few who backed Israel when they exercised their sovereignty and went after Iraq's facilities, etc etc etc"
I refuse to use this right now, as I have seen no evidence presented by the campaign, or online...with any sort of vote/speech given at the time, where RP said anything about the attack. Until the campaign provides a video/audio/written record on this one, I'm not going to use it.

As for all your other points, when speaking with a Fox News individual, their default answer is most likely, "The Iranians will use it, because they are crazy extremist. They must be stopped at all costs." Using facts with these people, seriously, has very little bearing...because they default to their brainwashed, "Ron Paul is dangerous." "Ron Paul is dangerous." "Ron Paul is dangerous." as they have heard from the media. It's kind of like Jon Stewart's program earlier in the week, where he had one of his guest host guys do an interview with a lady, and he was trying to make her see the irony of her own papers THE ENTIRE TIME. At the end of the video, he asks her, "What if, you have clearly explained the facts to the person, and they still don't see it?" She said something like, "Well, you must walk away." Which is when he hit the "exit elevator" button and left.

The only way I see reaching these people, is WITH THE BIBLE. The fact the guy I was talking with didn't provide one example of how RP is dangerous/devastating, but that is what he defaulted to, shows there is a thinking problem.

Which I did respond to him with, "As the government gets bigger, the church gets smaller." I've been keeping that line around for a while, but never used it.

coffeewithgames
01-16-2012, 03:09 PM
bump...

jcarcinogen
01-16-2012, 03:25 PM
I like the idea and encourage this draft... but the key is to get the age 40+ evangelicals to look away from Fox news and establishment newspapers for a moment and actually see it.

coffeewithchess
01-16-2012, 03:32 PM
I like the idea and encourage this draft... but the key is to get the age 40+ evangelicals to look away from Fox news and establishment newspapers for a moment and actually see it.

That's the whole reason I created it. Seriously, the Fox News viewers (probably like others) regurgitate only what they hear. They are to lazy to actually read links you even send them, so I figured a picture could combat that, as I have been seeing an increase of image FB posts lately.

coffeewithgames
01-17-2012, 01:03 AM
bump for a positive image to spread around, that may help wake up a few people...well, if you think so.

bbwarfield
01-17-2012, 09:16 AM
If the boo the golden rule I think the ten commandments would just infuriate the Pharisees of SC more at this point

coffeewithgames
01-19-2012, 11:39 AM
bump for graphic design artists.

coffeewithgames
01-20-2012, 01:21 AM
bump for newly added image

coffeewithgames
02-21-2012, 12:34 AM
bump for an old image