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rockwell
11-10-2007, 04:51 PM
Wow.

Thousands of people, old, young, vets, suits- more energy and excitement than you can imagine. I took my ten year old to meet Dr Paul at the pre-rally and he got his autograph and we listened to his wife speak- the congressman was running late, and she was so nice, so down to earth, the polar opposite of the last few to inhabit the White House.

Hard to believe it's gotten this big in such a short time. His speech at the rally was spot on, the crowd loved him and he didn't miss a mark. It really isn't tha man, it's the message. To be there, between the Liberty Bell, Independence Hall, the Constitution center and than sitting like a monster off to the side the huge, ugly, squat US Mint- Congressman Paul said he looked forward to when it would once more mint gold and silver instead of printing money out of thin air.

On the way out walking down the street a guy was on his cell phone talking to someone and he said "Who's this Ron Paul guy and does he stand a chance?" and I stopped and said "He's going to be the next president of the United States."

I believe that now.

matthylland
11-10-2007, 04:59 PM
great to hear, look forward to seeing some pictures and videos

OptionsTrader
11-10-2007, 05:03 PM
On the way out walking down the street a guy was on his cell phone talking to someone and he said "Who's this Ron Paul guy and does he stand a chance?" and I stopped and said "He's going to be the next president of the United States."

I believe that now.

I believe it too. My main concern is that I hope the American people become informed and inspired enough, fast enough.

Give me liberty
11-10-2007, 05:05 PM
hey rockwell how many people were there at the rally?

From what we heard there were about 2000. From your point of view how many did you see?

American
11-10-2007, 05:05 PM
Thats great, we had live video feeds and they worked this time, even had a choice...:)

awesome!

rockwell
11-10-2007, 05:08 PM
The woman who is the 2nd in command of the national campaign gave a very heartfelt speech- tearful in fact- and inlight of the venue and the turnout I understand, and she said this is our one shot, it won't come around again and if we are going to make this happen we have to get delegates into the republican convention which means doing whatever it takes to that NOW.

So folks, if you are 100% politically clean, registered as a Republican, do whatever you have to do to become a delegate to the National Convention. She's right, the party isn't going to allow Ron Paul to be nominated even if we represent 90% of the party, they can't, they represent the orthodoxy, not the people.

Get busy.

0zzy
11-10-2007, 05:08 PM
Awesome! Though I have been thinking about this, "it's not the man, it's the message." I think it is the man, though.

A man who served his country, a man who is honest, a man who is preaching the words of liberty, a man who cares about the people and not the special interest. He is THE man. If Fred Thompson was saying everything Ron Paul said, I'd still vote for Ron Paul. Because he is THE man.

terlinguatx
11-10-2007, 05:08 PM
Thanks for the update, the rally was a huge success. I don't think the timing could have been better. AFter displaying our online and financial prowess on November 5th, we keep moving and pull off one of the biggest real-life rallies of this campaign season!

rockwell
11-10-2007, 05:09 PM
My best guess was 3.5K. I was in the service and we used to have division reviews where 12K would be in one place at one time and it was at least a third if not half that size.

Delaware
11-10-2007, 05:14 PM
I couldnt really estimate, but it was alot, from where i was standing(probably close to center) i couldnt see everyone. It was truly great, Ron was endorsed by New Jersey Assemblyman Michael Dougherty.

0zzy
11-10-2007, 05:18 PM
I couldnt really estimate, but it was alot, from where i was standing(probably close to center) i couldnt see everyone. It was truly great, Ron was endorsed by New Jersey Assemblyman Michael Dougherty.

And his wife and 2 sons! He's still working on his 3rd son :).

torchbearer
11-10-2007, 05:18 PM
I wish someone had a youtube of this... did it look like the official campaign was filming it too?

KewlRonduderules
11-10-2007, 05:56 PM
I just came back from the rally. It was really big. Dr. Paul said it himself. It's the biggest rally he has attended. That should say a lot.

:)

BizmanUSA
11-10-2007, 06:08 PM
I just came back from the rally. It was really big. Dr. Paul said it himself. It's the biggest rally he has attended. That should say a lot.

:)

I wonder how many NEW people showed to hear RP's message and to get the bug bite for freedom from the crowd.

It should have gone down as originally planned by the grassroots with more entertainment and better speakers - speakers that are about to break down in tears are good for revivals not Rah, Rah rallies.

We need more support along with all the money that is be thrown at the campaign kitty.

Hopefully the MSM coverage will help out!

BizmanUSA

DrNoZone
11-10-2007, 06:10 PM
It should have gone down as originally planned by the grassroots with more entertainment and better speakers - speakers that are about to break down in tears are good for revivals not Rah, Rah rallies.


Ummm....whatever. I thought it was touching.

Menthol Patch
11-10-2007, 06:10 PM
If you want Ron Paul to become president please continue donating!

LibertyEagle
11-10-2007, 06:23 PM
speakers that are about to break down in tears are good for revivals not Rah, Rah rallies.

I thought she was very good. It was touching. A lot of us feel the same way as she does. This is probably our last chance to save our country. I hope we do not waste it.

She had hope. It's exactly what we need.

Nefertiti
11-10-2007, 06:30 PM
Ummm....whatever. I thought it was touching.

I'm sorry, her voice and tears sounded exactly like Tammy Faye Bakker. And that is not the image one wants associated with the campaign. It evokes phoniness. I hope they never allow her to do that again.

KewlRonduderules
11-10-2007, 06:36 PM
I'm sorry, her voice and tears sounded exactly like Tammy Faye Bakker. And that is not the image one wants associated with the campaign. It evokes phoniness. I hope they never allow her to do that again.

I am not so sure about that. When you hear Tammy Faye speak it is more of a manner of hysteria- usually an indication of a personality disorder.

As for the lady that spoke, you could hear her trying to hold back tears and yet her voice cracking and the manner she spoke appeared somewhat reserved. Either she is an excellent actor or she really felt she was feeling. Regardless, it was rather moving and touching. I had tears in my eyes. It worked for me- I doubt she was acting. It really appeared genuine- she loves her country as we all do.

I think many others would agree with me.

FYI, I have been a mental health professional for 12+ years and have dealt with all kinds of personality types.

;)

TruckinMike
11-10-2007, 06:36 PM
Here is a pic from one vantage point...

note: the foreground was a barricaded section... thats why it looks sparsely populated

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2207/1955296839_ec706e10d1_b.jpg

here are a few more pics http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=389595#post389595

Truckinmike

tmg19103
11-10-2007, 06:43 PM
Here is a pic from one vantage point...

note: the foreground was a barricaded section... thats why it looks sparsely populated

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2207/1955296839_ec706e10d1_b.jpg

here are a few more pics http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=389595#post389595

Truckinmike

This Pic does not show almost as many that are in the pic to the left and right.

walt
11-10-2007, 06:48 PM
I am not so sure about that. When you hear Tammy Faye speak it is more of a manner of hysteria- usually an indication of a personality disorder.

As for the lady that spoke, you could hear her trying to hold back tears and yet her voice cracking and the manner she spoke appeared somewhat reserved. Either she is an excellent actor or she really felt she was feeling. Regardless, it was rather moving and touching. I had tears in my eyes. It worked for me- I doubt she was acting. It really appeared genuine- she loves her country as we all do.

I think many others would agree with me.

FYI, I have been a mental health professional for 12+ years and have dealt with all kinds of personality types.

;)


video or audio please. thanks.

paulitics
11-10-2007, 06:55 PM
That pic looks like a pretty good cross section of people. Looks like everyday people to me. An awakening?

TruckinMike
11-10-2007, 07:01 PM
This Pic does not show almost as many that are in the pic to the left and right.

Funny that you say that... this pic is the center photo of a panoramic. I haven't pieced it together yet.:D

TM

guntherg16
11-10-2007, 07:17 PM
I wish someone had a youtube of this... did it look like the official campaign was filming it too?

Yes they did film it. I don't recall the gentleman's name but he came out on stage and said he needed a good shot for his next youtube video. The crowd paused for a couple of seconds and then went wild. I seem to recall he said that that was the most Ron Paul signs he had seen.

Proemio
11-10-2007, 07:31 PM
Funny that you say that... this pic is the center photo of a panoramic. I haven't pieced it together yet.:D

TM

OK, but if that panorama doesn't show TheTruck in it, I won't believe that the rally ever happened...

austin356
11-10-2007, 07:41 PM
Megalopolis had a poor showing.

3,000 people? HAHAHA thats a joke.


Nashville, an area of 1.5 million, had 1600 and was turning people away. Philly who had an area of many many many millions (40 million from NYC to DC) could only get twice as much as Nashville? I'm sorry but that is a poor poor showing. It would have had to been 15,000 to be a success.

If not for the earned media this would have been the biggest waste of money yet.

specsaregood
11-10-2007, 07:43 PM
Here is a pic from one vantage point...

note: the foreground was a barricaded section... thats why it looks sparsely populated

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2207/1955296839_ec706e10d1_b.jpg

here are a few more pics http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=389595#post389595

Truckinmike

As said above, that pic only shows a small part, there is an equally large section on the left side not in the photo and even more to the right of the pic.

There were well more than 4000. 5000 is easy to believe.

margomaps
11-10-2007, 08:01 PM
Megalopolis had a poor showing.

3,000 people? HAHAHA thats a joke.


Nashville, an area of 1.5 million, had 1600 and was turning people away. Philly who had an area of many many many millions (40 million from NYC to DC) could only get twice as much as Nashville? I'm sorry but that is a poor poor showing. It would have had to been 15,000 to be a success.

If not for the earned media this would have been the biggest waste of money yet.

Sounds like SOMEBODY'S got a case of the MONDAYS!!! ;)

rockwell
11-10-2007, 08:04 PM
Better to err on the side of caution.

As for any other venues turning people away and this being some kind of disappointment, don't forget that Philadelphia is not a residential city, at least not in that area. 90% or more had zero idea it was even on except RP supporters, I listen to local readio and no one, not am, fm, not npr made a single mention of it- I fault the campaign for that mistake, 50K in radio would have brought out 25K in attendance for the free music alone and hopefully they'll learn from the mistake and guerilla promote the bejesus out of every event from now on, but in terms of all the folks that drove in and the funds raised and the simple physical presence of the event, it was a coup. I gave a street singer playing a guitar $100 to sing about Ron Paul while he was standing on the corner of 4th and Broad and not only did he, he asked for one of my signs to put behind him. Later I saw the dude later at the rally, watching Congressman Paul. That was worth it for me.

Maybe I am wrong, but maybe you are cynical.

I'm not ready to give up yet, I think it's only just begun.

Phenom24
11-10-2007, 08:07 PM
Megalopolis had a poor showing.

3,000 people? HAHAHA thats a joke.


Nashville, an area of 1.5 million, had 1600 and was turning people away. Philly who had an area of many many many millions (40 million from NYC to DC) could only get twice as much as Nashville? I'm sorry but that is a poor poor showing. It would have had to been 15,000 to be a success.

If not for the earned media this would have been the biggest waste of money yet.

Hey big guy.. This was outside and it was 40 degrees and rained all morning.

If it was inside and not nearly freezing outside it would have probably been quite a bit bigger..

Ease up with the cranky pants junk. ;)

austin356
11-10-2007, 08:07 PM
Sounds like SOMEBODY'S got a case of the MONDAYS!!! ;)



No just talkin' smack 2 those socialist yankees:D:D:D:D:D:D

austin356
11-10-2007, 08:09 PM
Hey big guy.. This was outside and it was 40 degrees and rained all morning.

If it was inside and not nearly freezing outside it would have probably been quite a bit bigger..

Ease up with the cranky pants junk. ;)



Well there is nobody here to blame since I think the people organizing this, especially the grassroots, seem like they were doing a good job. Thats all we can do though.

tmg19103
11-10-2007, 08:13 PM
Megalopolis had a poor showing.

3,000 people? HAHAHA thats a joke.


Nashville, an area of 1.5 million, had 1600 and was turning people away. Philly who had an area of many many many millions (40 million from NYC to DC) could only get twice as much as Nashville? I'm sorry but that is a poor poor showing. It would have had to been 15,000 to be a success.

If not for the earned media this would have been the biggest waste of money yet.

I think if it had been sunny and upper 50's you would have seen 7,000+.

I think the rain in the morning and temp in the 40's kept people away, but 3-4,000 is still the largest RP rally to date.

I also think the big cities in the northeast are pretty apathetic towards politics. Would have loved to have had more, but I do think the weather was a facter.

Still, I see this rally as an amazing success. There will be great video and the crowd was big enough to look huge with the sign waving and the noise volume was great.

I have heard one way or another most of RP's speeches, and I would say this was his best. No real stops or stutters in a 45 minute speech that hit EVERY issue. His voice was firm and assertive, but not angry. I think this comes from the Nov. 5th money bomb. I sensed a new, or renewed confidence in RP, and I think that was the success of Nov. 5th and all the ensuing media attention, and I think that will carry over to debates.

Proemio
11-10-2007, 08:14 PM
... I gave a street singer playing a guitar $100 to sing about Ron Paul while he was standing on the corner of 4th and Broad and not only did he, he asked for one of my signs to put behind him. Later I saw the dude later at the rally...

How can we not win with stuff like that? And I'm dead serious.

The combined trust of countless individual initiatives can't be defeated - it's impossible.
Beware of peddlers of formulas...

bobmurph
11-10-2007, 08:16 PM
Sounds like SOMEBODY'S got a case of the MONDAYS!!! ;)

No. No, man. Shit, no, man. I believe you'd get your ass kicked sayin' something like that, man.

margomaps
11-10-2007, 08:23 PM
No. No, man. Shit, no, man. I believe you'd get your ass kicked sayin' something like that, man.

Ahahahah...touché! :D

JosephTheLibertarian
11-10-2007, 08:23 PM
nice rally

frasu
11-10-2007, 08:30 PM
I think if it had been sunny and upper 50's you would have seen 7,000+.

I think the rain in the morning and temp in the 40's kept people away, but 3-4,000 is still the largest RP rally to date.

I also think the big cities in the northeast are pretty apathetic towards politics. Would have loved to have had more, but I do think the weather was a facter.

Still, I see this rally as an amazing success. There will be great video and the crowd was big enough to look huge with the sign waving and the noise volume was great.

I have heard one way or another most of RP's speeches, and I would say this was his best. No real stops or stutters in a 45 minute speech that hit EVERY issue. His voice was firm and assertive, but not angry. I think this comes from the Nov. 5th money bomb. I sensed a new, or renewed confidence in RP, and I think that was the success of Nov. 5th and all the ensuing media attention, and I think that will carry over to debates.

I agree... I just back from the rally and yeah, I expected a lot more people, but in the end, despite the cold or apathy, it was a great rally and and strong show of support... The best part was hearing Dr Ron Paul talking with such great confidence and strength... wow

thanks to the meetup group in Philly for putting together and holding on to this rally...

history in the making!

GoPaul
11-10-2007, 08:31 PM
I think tmg hit it on the head. The day was overcast and a little cold. I know of at least two or three, myself, that would have made it out in clear weather.

And not sure about rest of NE. In general people I know are apathetic towards politics. Which doesn't mean they won't vote. They just won't turn out at a politic rally.



I think if it had been sunny and upper 50's you would have seen 7,000+.

I think the rain in the morning and temp in the 40's kept people away, but 3-4,000 is still the largest RP rally to date.

I also think the big cities in the northeast are pretty apathetic towards politics. Would have loved to have had more, but I do think the weather was a facter.

Still, I see this rally as an amazing success. There will be great video and the crowd was big enough to look huge with the sign waving and the noise volume was great.

I have heard one way or another most of RP's speeches, and I would say this was his best. No real stops or stutters in a 45 minute speech that hit EVERY issue. His voice was firm and assertive, but not angry. I think this comes from the Nov. 5th money bomb. I sensed a new, or renewed confidence in RP, and I think that was the success of Nov. 5th and all the ensuing media attention, and I think that will carry over to debates.

Matt Collins
11-10-2007, 11:03 PM
Megalopolis had a poor showing.

3,000 people? HAHAHA thats a joke.


Nashville, an area of 1.5 million, had 1600 and was turning people away. Philly who had an area of many many many millions (40 million from NYC to DC) could only get twice as much as Nashville? I'm sorry but that is a poor poor showing. It would have had to been 15,000 to be a success.

If not for the earned media this would have been the biggest waste of money yet.

Yes and no. Proportionally speaking you are correct. But that's why outside rallies are a gamble and a roll of the dice (especially this time of year and that far north).

I was one of the key players in getting the Nashville rally organized so I feel qualified to comment.

I am glad the turnout was as good as it was (largest to date?) but it could've been better. Not only was the weather a factor the momentum got axed 1 week out because of someone's lack of planning.

Syren123
11-10-2007, 11:13 PM
Yes they did film it. I don't recall the gentleman's name but he came out on stage and said he needed a good shot for his next youtube video. The crowd paused for a couple of seconds and then went wild. I seem to recall he said that that was the most Ron Paul signs he had seen.

If he was wearing a straw cowboy hat, a vest, and squarish glasses, it's Bill.

Who was the woman who spoke again? Did we get a name?

constituent
11-11-2007, 08:15 AM
It should have gone down as originally planned by the grassroots with more entertainment and better speakers - speakers that are about to break down in tears are good for revivals not Rah, Rah rallies.

We need more support along with all the money that is be thrown at the campaign kitty.



I didn't see this speech, but I was watching the CNN live coverage and the show was entirely devoid of the Rah-Rah's (pre-RP speech), one repeat one major problem. I shouldn't have to qualify this, but lest i be called a troll know i'm about as hardcore a supporter (socially/philosophically) as it gets (so f* off if you have a problem with what i'm about to say).

The campaign dropped the ball big time on this one, on so many levels it is beyond aggravation, but i'll spare everyone the painful play-by-play....

i just hope they are prepared to look inside and brace for some major re-evaluations at this point 'cuz it is do or die.

seriously, many successes at philly, but they phugged this one so thoroughly it is mind-boggling.

just my rapidly depreciating .02 fiat.

constituent
11-11-2007, 08:20 AM
Megalopolis had a poor showing.

3,000 people? HAHAHA thats a joke.


Nashville, an area of 1.5 million, had 1600 and was turning people away. Philly who had an area of many many many millions (40 million from NYC to DC) could only get twice as much as Nashville? I'm sorry but that is a poor poor showing. It would have had to been 15,000 to be a success.

If not for the earned media this would have been the biggest waste of money yet.

yes, this individual is right... deal with it.

Even if it was five, even had it been seven the verdict would not change, attendance was relatively piss poor (looked even worse on CNN b/c the crowd failed to fill in around the stage... instead it looked mostly like a field of 'saved' seats.)

Overall, I would say this has almost zero to do w/ the GRooters who have been out there busting their ass the last couple months to fire this off with a bang... Almost zero, b/c if five thousand people showed up it proves (particularly when weather is taken into consideration) just how hard the promoters of this event were working with what they had.

The other thing, and i'm about to check incase it has been updated, but no one should have rested at HQ until there was a high quality vid. w/ soundboard audio version of the RP speech online for all the people in the rest of the world. That is also rather unfortunate, and representative of a spot where the campaign seems to consistently drop the ball (the worst example being almost two weeks before the birthday BBQ video surfaced).

Seriously, I've been sparing HQ my judgment ('cuz it doesn't really matter anyway) , but at this point it is out of hand and i feel the need to vent.... thank anyone who read all of ^^^^^^^^^^that. :)

Anyway, two more cents... keep 'em together and you've almost gotten a nickle's worth of unsolicited opinion. ;)

MozoVote
11-11-2007, 08:37 AM
I have to agree the CNN feed made the rally seem less impressive than the justin.tv feed did. The camera panned back a few times from CNN and you could see empty space around the podium... the mic was set so that you did not hear the audience at much.

I'm still glad CNN broadcast (most of)the speech live, though.

Primbs
11-11-2007, 09:20 PM
The square was almost filled.

I saw a few Ron Paul signs on the overpasses going north on 95.

rockwell
11-12-2007, 08:50 AM
I wanted to think about what happened before commenting again, and yes, in retrospect this could have been a defining moment in the campaign and because of failures on the part of the official organization- not the huge volunteer showing, that couldn't have been better- but the actual machine that runs this candidacy, it wasn't.

Why weren't they advertising the hell out of this in the week before? I know the market and the cost for 15/30 second ads on half a dozen "second tier" stations would have been negligible and would have brought out a whole lot of folks who don't know much about Ron Paul instead of just the choir. You had a Country star- I don't know who he is, but I bet people who listen to country do- total miss not to capitalize on that.

It was free. You tell people in Philly that there's a free get together, with music, right downtown? You'd have brought in thousands of onlookers, plenty of whom would have been open to the message, advertisements should have been in the weekly free paper, the Metro, Philly News, there should have been ads in the editorial section of the Enquirer for two or three weeks leading up to the event, nothing. A gigantic waste of opportunity especially on the heels of the money bomb. Shameful performance by whoever is on payroll as the media consultant.

I ran into a reporter on my way back to the garage, a guy who writers for the Newark NJ newspaper and he made a comment to me. I said something back about "my guy" being shut out of the press, or disdainfully covered using trigger words like "insurgent" or "wacky" or "marginal" and he stopped and told me that the campaign had a scheduled interview for media that Ron Paul simply didn't show up for. Now I know he was late coming in- another mistake, for something that size he definitely should have been in town the night before and on morning radio at the least, but that's another issue. I don't know why Ron Paul didn't make the media appearance, but when they are already hostile towards you, standing them up and not having a really good reason- and this reporter seemed to think that there wasn't one- is a very bad move.

I don't know if people from the campaign read these forums, but they ought to and they better not be making the same mistakes over and over again or it's going to look like they want to scuttle this campaign. There were people at the pre-rally Q &A who asked about the phone lists for NH and we were told that the campaign was handling that and it wasn't time to start calling NH voters yet because of how complicated the phone system was- it was an awful answer to a simple question, WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR? We haven't got forever, we only have so many weeks left and someone ought to be capitalizing on the grassroots energy if the professional folks can't get their shit together.

Make sure he's where he should be in plenty of time. Promote every appearance like crazy. Use the energized volunteers more and depend on the so-called pros less, or at least force them to handle the bigger issues- like getting local press and advertisments up and running BEFORE the event, not AFTER.

And finally- if CNN showed all those seats in the center being empty, it wasn't a live shot because by the time Ron Paul hit the stage the Veterans seating was filled up. There were a lot of folks there, if they made it look sparsely attended it was intentional, but there could have been at least twice that number.

I really hope that this helps because no one was more excited to see this go well than I was. I just think it's time to get serious and stop fooling around and that's how this came off from the outside

CurtisLow
11-12-2007, 11:13 AM
Very cool Rock!


My short story on the rally..

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=35709


.

rockwell
11-12-2007, 12:19 PM
Very cool Rock!


My short story on the rally..

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=35709


.

Great to see a different perspective. It was something to be around that many people who have an inkling of what's going on politically in the US.

Proemio
11-12-2007, 04:04 PM
...
Make sure he's where he should be in plenty of time. Promote every appearance like crazy. Use the energized volunteers more and depend on the so-called pros less, or at least force them to handle the bigger issues- like getting local press and advertisments up and running BEFORE the event, not AFTER.
...

Some thoughts.

In simplified terms, there are three distinct forces in play - the Grassroots, the Campaign, Ron Paul - not two, as is often understood (Grassroots and Campaign). Ron Paul and the Campaign are not a monolith and don't necessarily have the same priorities at any given time. That is beside the possibility that not everyone in the Campaign is sufficiently capable or even has the best interest of the purpose in mind (happens all the time in politics, but also in commerce or any other scenario where talent has to be drawn from the outside).

When an individual or a group from the Grassroots comes up with an idea, they must consider themselves on their own. No matter how brilliant the idea, it should work to a worthwhile extent without the Campaign or Ron Paul himself, or even the endorsement from the all-important approval committees here. There will be support or there won't. And never give up control to anyone from the outside. Outside includes the Campaign for the purpose of discussion. They and Ron Paul should be welcome guests - headliners, if you will - if they chose to attend. November 5th is of course an easy example of how that principle works.

Self-reliance is paramount and also perfectly in tune with the message. If you start something, you are the boss until the end - warts or glory. Don't fret about approval of the Campaign, and certainly don't rely on them. That way, if Ron Paul decides to appear the Campaign can concentrate on getting him there in good shape and on time.

Always remember (paraphrase): "They started it and I joined" - Ron Paul