View Full Version : 3 Things Ron MUST SAY to WIN Republicans over. 1.TROOPS ON THE BORDERS. 2 .S.S. 3.Defense
SurfsUp
01-11-2012, 01:37 AM
Ron WILL win the republican nomination if he just says or outlines the following things and I think he is almost there givin his amazing speech tonight that REACHED MILLIONS! AND YES IT WAS FNG AWESOME!
1. Ron MUST say that he will bring the troops home AND PUT THEM ON OUR BORDERS. This will get A LOT of republicans to vote for him over romney very quickly. This really should have been said this last night when Ron was giving his speech to millions of viewers on cnn, pbs, fox, msnbc, etc.
THIS MUST BE SAID! We can worry about obama later but we must have more republicans that romney is now getting. Also romney is pretty weak when it comes to immigration, he hired many illegals on his mansion.
This must be said, it's stated on Rons website but there's millions of people who just watch tv and won't take the time to view his site.
So he must say this and it must be said in future debates and especially when cnn, fox, msnbc are all showing him at the same time like this last night!
2. Older people WANT TO HEAR a promise that ron will cut in other areas and LEAVE SOCIAL SECURITY IN TACT! That is VERY important.
Ron should also stress that young and middle aged people should get back what they have already paid into s.s. but that them or anyone else should be allowed to OPT OUT in the future if they so wish. That would be the most compassionate way to say things. Ron MUST elaborate this at some point because seniors are scared shitless.
3. Ron also MUST STRESS that he will cut from other places but NOT TOUCH DEFENSE MONEY. In fact he should say that HE WILL ADD MORE TO DEFENSE when he cuts from other areas like our wasteful spending of being in other unessesary countries. He should name a few of the stupid countries we are in to WAKE PEOPLE THE F UP!
SurfsUp
01-11-2012, 01:42 AM
bump
Mahkato
01-11-2012, 01:43 AM
I think he's starting to move in the direction of all three of your recommendations. It takes Ron a while to move from the role of econ/polisci professor to Presidential Candidate.
SurfsUp
01-11-2012, 01:50 AM
I think he's starting to move in the direction of all three of your recommendations. It takes Ron a while to move from the role of econ/polisci professor to Presidential Candidate.
I hope you're right. The first issue is really a meat and potatoes issue(illegal immigration) that millions of americans want addressed and if Ron says he will do it and has the power to do it as president, that would make it game set and match for him against romney. He would slaughter romney from here on out if he would just keep harping on it when he can.
I know this isn't Ron's style but he must take these issues by the throat and really go after them and force everyone to hear them. Voters will leave romney in droves if this happens.
This really should be sent to the campaign and passed on to them. I hope they read these things but I fear they don't.
Feeding the Abscess
01-11-2012, 01:51 AM
He already talks about 2 and 3, but has said that he doesn't want troops on the border.
2/3 ain't bad?
ryanmkeisling
01-11-2012, 01:53 AM
I don't think he needs to do anything except what he is doing, this campaign has good strategy and a good plan in place that is working, very well. I refuse to be an armchair campaign manager.
Liberty Shark
01-11-2012, 01:56 AM
All of those are good points. I would also add, at least for the state of South Carolina, a strong answer of the Israel issue. With that group running those ads down there, he needs some form of TV ad or a mail pamphlet or something to help better clarify this issue. Its kind of ridiculous that this has to be done, but I guess that's the current situation in regards to this issue.
-As someone else said, I'm sure the campaign has this under control.
SurfsUp
01-11-2012, 01:59 AM
He already talks about 2 and 3, but has said that he doesn't want troops on the border.
2/3 ain't bad?
Someone posted a link from his website that he'd put troops on the border to defend the border better after he brought troops home. So he MUST address this further when he is LIVE in the debates and when these awesome speech opportunities come up.
If he doesn't do this, he won't get more republicans from romney. You have to remember there are millions of meat head republicans that want illegals stopped. I am one of them and they mostly vote for romney because they "think" he would be tougher on illegals even though that isn't true. Trust me I am speaking from friends that I know, they all want romney because they think he is tougher on illegals. They work all the time so they're too busy to look up politics online. They get their info from the tv. So Ron needs to address these people on TV!
I know a few on here don't care about the immigration nightmare we face but it IS very important to a TON of republicans and Ron must address this in more live settings if we are to get more conservative republicans from romney.
Dsylexic
01-11-2012, 02:04 AM
just get rand paul to do much of the talking on military for SC. ron can concentrate on the debt.can you freaking beat the 'my heart weeps for them'. if SC has lots of military families,they can easily related to the large number of suicides amongst traumatised vets.
make rand the attack dog and ron the warm hearted one
NEPatriot
01-11-2012, 02:07 AM
I agree and i've been saying this for a long time. Many people, even people who don't support him, understand that he is a MAN OF HIS WORD, not an empty suit, and the American people are sick and tired of the border issue! We've been asking the government to close our borders for DECADES and we all know without Ron Paul it'll just be another neo-con talking point for votes in 4 years, and 8 years, and 12 years, until there is no border.
Ron Paul needs to emphasize that he WILL protect our border. If he does this, and emphasizes that ONLY he cane trusted to do this, HE WINS.
NEPatriot
01-11-2012, 02:08 AM
Not to mention if Ron Paul promises REAL border security, people like Michael Savage will KNOW that if they don't support Ron Paul their audiences will go up in SMOKE. You can't scream for closed borders for 15 years and then attack a candidate who will ACTUALLY close them
cindy25
01-11-2012, 02:09 AM
end the drug war and you remove the need for troops on the border
NEPatriot
01-11-2012, 02:12 AM
That isn't true and even if it was saying that isn't good politics.
SurfsUp
01-11-2012, 02:16 AM
Not to mention if Ron Paul promises REAL border security, people like Michael Savage will KNOW that if they don't support Ron Paul their audiences will go up in SMOKE. You can't scream for closed borders for 15 years and then attack a candidate who will ACTUALLY close them
You nailed it! And rush limbaugh would go bankrupt too and exposed for the fraud he is!
It's a Meat and potatoes issue for conservative republicans! Ron needs to get on it already!
NEPatriot
01-11-2012, 02:18 AM
He does.
I posted it before but for some reason a moderator didn't let it reach the board.
The promise of border security will win Ron Paul the election. People are so sick of having to even think about it. How long do you have to ask your own government to defend the damn border?
Ron Paul needs to start hammering border security everytime he talks about bringing our troops home!
eleganz
01-11-2012, 02:20 AM
Preaching it on the forums doesn't do anything. If you have any suggestions for the campaign, email or call them.
NEPatriot
01-11-2012, 02:20 AM
What's the email? I'd love to.
SurfsUp
01-11-2012, 02:22 AM
He does.
I posted it before but for some reason a moderator didn't let it reach the board.
The promise of border security will win Ron Paul the election. People are so sick of having to even think about it. How long do you have to ask your own government to defend the damn border?
Ron Paul needs to start hammering border security everytime he talks about bringing our troops home!
Agree completely.
SurfsUp
01-11-2012, 02:23 AM
Preaching it on the forums doesn't do anything. If you have any suggestions for the campaign, email or call them.
Anyone know their email? I'd do it too.
Xelaetaks
01-11-2012, 02:27 AM
Anyone know their email? I'd do it too.
Contact form and phone number. I've called before, they're easy to talk to if you can reach them.
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/contact-us/
SurfsUp
01-11-2012, 02:30 AM
Contact form and phone number. I've called before, they're easy to talk to if you can reach them.
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/contact-us/
Sweet! I'm calling tommorow. I hope others do the same.
thoughtomator
01-11-2012, 02:31 AM
I too would get behind troops on the border. The laws aren't going to be liberalized overnight and until they are we have an invasion problem that Paul as President would have a responsibility to put a stop to.
LibRTian
01-11-2012, 02:57 AM
There will be world war if Mitt is elected...
Starting 8 minutes 30 seconds in...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPVxsHJwfcg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
...I thought of the following scene*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNAHjsAnTd4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I hate to sound so shrill but i want to leave a free nation and peaceful world to my children.
Also, I am no pacifist but I have to wonder...
What would we ask our government to do if the following were about to happen to us?
Article: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4PgpbQfxgo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
How many dead children are enough? *What amazes me is that Osama bin Laden didn't fly planes into elementary schools...
Anyone who can still justify the Iraq war should watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_OkdfIStGw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
We need to keep playing the related videos until all repent...
Matthew 5:43-48
Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.
ryanmkeisling
01-11-2012, 02:59 AM
I too would get behind troops on the border. The laws aren't going to be liberalized overnight and until they are we have an invasion problem that Paul as President would have a responsibility to put a stop to.
Someone posted a link from his website that he'd put troops on the border to defend the border better after he brought troops home. So he MUST address this further when he is LIVE in the debates and when these awesome speech opportunities come up.
If he doesn't do this, he won't get more republicans from romney. You have to remember there are millions of meat head republicans that want illegals stopped. I am one of them and they mostly vote for romney because they "think" he would be tougher on illegals even though that isn't true. Trust me I am speaking from friends that I know, they all want romney because they think he is tougher on illegals. They work all the time so they're too busy to look up politics online. They get their info from the tv. So Ron needs to address these people on TV!
I know a few on here don't care about the immigration nightmare we face but it IS very important to a TON of republicans and Ron must address this in more live settings if we are to get more conservative republicans from romney.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JllI9XsAjaU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JllI9XsAjaU
It is not just a few on here. Freedom from being afraid, truly is liberty.
ord33
01-11-2012, 03:56 AM
Just a question. Are troops on the border constitutional or is that more of a National Guard (state responsibility) scenario? If protecting the border is protecting our National Defense (which it is) I guess it could be argued that way? I honestly don't know?
SurfsUp
01-11-2012, 04:05 AM
It is not just a few on here. Freedom from being afraid, truly is liberty.
Yet on one of the last 2 debates he said that he would rather have our troops home and protecting OUR BORDERS than over in another country, protecting theirs! Someone also mentioned he says this on his website as well. Btw notice I never said we needed a wall.
SurfsUp
01-11-2012, 04:06 AM
Just a question. Are troops on the border constitutional or is that more of a National Guard (state responsibility) scenario? If protecting the border is protecting our National Defense (which it is) I guess it could be argued that way? I honestly don't know?
I think it's both, otherwise Arizona would have done it already.
Danke
01-11-2012, 04:15 AM
Just a question. Are troops on the border constitutional or is that more of a National Guard (state responsibility) scenario? If protecting the border is protecting our National Defense (which it is) I guess it could be argued that way? I honestly don't know?
A quick search brought up these opinions:
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/defenseandsecurity/a/Posse-Comitatus-Act-The-Military-On-The-Border.htm
http://www.homelandsecurity.org/journal/Commentary/barnes.htm
SurfsUp
01-13-2012, 12:32 AM
hum
ryanmkeisling
01-13-2012, 12:55 AM
Yet on one of the last 2 debates he said that he would rather have our troops home and protecting OUR BORDERS than over in another country, protecting theirs! Someone also mentioned he says this on his website as well. Btw notice I never said we needed a wall.
I understand the economic aspects of it as well. I used to be a Chef in Boston, and NYC. Illegals were my best employees; worked harder and were just as skilled as my American employees, not to mention would work for less. I find that is true now here on the farm as well: I cannot find any Americans who want to pull weeds for 8 hrs in the hot sun for $10/hr, or cut lettuce, or milk and butcher animals. Their are plenty of Americans looking for work, but they show up and work for 3 hrs. slowly I might add, and then decide "this work isn't for them" or work a day and then never show up again. The illegals are timely, regular, and bust ass. They have always been my good friends, and have welcomed me into their own homes and shown distinct generosity, when I came to their country.
Through all of this time I have spent with these people (almost 2 decades) I came to realize they are just like me. All that is needed is to eliminate the welfare state. Not all illegals come here to rob the tax payer, most of them just want to earn a more valuable currency, and are willing to work their ass off to earn it. You think they are really happy here, often times 1000's of miles from their culture, homes and their families?
They are not unlike you and I, they just want to provide prosperity for their families. A goal all Americans can relate to, all humans.
I will tell you, I have hired hundreds of Americans through the years as well and the work ethic is piss poor. If the welfare programs were not available they would not take advantage of them, just like most Americans do. It really does work both ways.
SurfsUp
01-13-2012, 01:46 AM
I agree with you on some of what you are saying and some things I do not. Maybe they are lazier in California as compared to Ma. I don't know.
One thing that is true is that our dollar is still worth far more than the peso so when they send those home to mexico, they become wealthy so of course they are going to work for 8-10 an hour.
Other than that we really don't need them here though. Petty criminals do the work illegals do in some states like Oregon, washington, montana, and Idaho. All voluntary btw.
Back to my thread point, people would love it if ron paul said he'd bring the troops home and protect our borders with them.
nicname
01-13-2012, 01:59 AM
great thread and great post OP
SurfsUp
01-18-2012, 07:17 AM
great thread and great post OP
thanks
EBounding
01-18-2012, 08:20 AM
3. Ron also MUST STRESS that he will cut from other places but NOT TOUCH DEFENSE MONEY. In fact he should say that HE WILL ADD MORE TO DEFENSE when he cuts from other areas like our wasteful spending of being in other unessesary countries. He should name a few of the stupid countries we are in to WAKE PEOPLE THE F UP!
For #3, he also needs to say exactly what it should be spent on. People have this perception that the wars and overseas spending is defense. Paul says he wouldn't cut anything from defense, but people don't know what that means since Wars=Defense to them. He needs to get specific and contrast how real defense spending is more effective than foreign occupation and undeclared wars.
jscoppe
01-18-2012, 08:37 AM
I agree OP, on all counts. +rep
For #3, his message could be clear and simple: "I want to take money from OFFENSE and increase our DEFENSE".
It's so simple, it might just work.
erowe1
01-18-2012, 08:45 AM
Someone posted a link from his website that he'd put troops on the border to defend the border better after he brought troops home.
I'm skeptical. Please post that link again.
SonofThunder
01-18-2012, 08:58 AM
Ron WILL win the republican nomination if he just says or outlines the following things and I think he is almost there givin his amazing speech tonight that REACHED MILLIONS! AND YES IT WAS FNG AWESOME!
1. Ron MUST say that he will bring the troops home AND PUT THEM ON OUR BORDERS. This will get A LOT of republicans to vote for him over romney very quickly. This really should have been said this last night when Ron was giving his speech to millions of viewers on cnn, pbs, fox, msnbc, etc.
THIS MUST BE SAID! We can worry about obama later but we must have more republicans that romney is now getting. Also romney is pretty weak when it comes to immigration, he hired many illegals on his mansion.
This must be said, it's stated on Rons website but there's millions of people who just watch tv and won't take the time to view his site.
So he must say this and it must be said in future debates and especially when cnn, fox, msnbc are all showing him at the same time like this last night!
2. Older people WANT TO HEAR a promise that ron will cut in other areas and LEAVE SOCIAL SECURITY IN TACT! That is VERY important.
Ron should also stress that young and middle aged people should get back what they have already paid into s.s. but that them or anyone else should be allowed to OPT OUT in the future if they so wish. That would be the most compassionate way to say things. Ron MUST elaborate this at some point because seniors are scared shitless.
3. Ron also MUST STRESS that he will cut from other places but NOT TOUCH DEFENSE MONEY. In fact he should say that HE WILL ADD MORE TO DEFENSE when he cuts from other areas like our wasteful spending of being in other unessesary countries. He should name a few of the stupid countries we are in to WAKE PEOPLE THE F UP!
I agree on all points. I would even say that RP is the only one who will save SS.
SurfsUp
01-19-2012, 03:10 AM
I agree on all points. I would even say that RP is the only one who will save SS.
I wish he would emphasize this at the debates as well.
everlasticity
01-19-2012, 03:31 AM
Yes. Putting troops on the border is probably not the best idea. While I would rather that we secure our border with troops rather than send them overseas, neighboring countries do not like troops on the borders. This is what ultimately led to WW1. After the arch duke was shot, Germany and Russia rushed troops to their borders. At that point is was impossible (or close to impossible) for either side to withdraw troops. At that point there was only one direction to go, and that was war.
But the sentiment is good. There should be someway to modify this position to give the sense of internal security. Ron Paul talked about putting more military bases in the US. That is a good start.
eduardo89
01-19-2012, 04:09 AM
The campaign must air a foreign policy/defense ad and a SS one! These issues have to be cleared up, there is too much misconception and flat out lying going around about Ron's position and plans!
SurfsUp
01-19-2012, 10:58 PM
I called it! Ron Paul said EXACTLY WHAT I ASKED FOR and everything and He's going to get a lot of support with that anti-illegals crowd now as well.
Bravo mr paul!
SurfsUp
01-19-2012, 11:09 PM
Was said perfectly
What would make it even stronger is if he pointed out that the border issue is not just an illegal immigration issue, but a national security and terrorist issue. In other words, if we protected our own borders rather than Afghanistan/Pakistan's borders, we would be making our country safer!
SurfsUp
01-21-2012, 07:31 AM
What would make it even stronger is if he pointed out that the border issue is not just an illegal immigration issue, but a national security and terrorist issue. In other words, if we protected our own borders rather than Afghanistan/Pakistan's borders, we would be making our country safer!
Yeah that could have been good as well. I think Tom Tancredo did that before. Either way I'm glad he said what he said.
mmadness
01-21-2012, 08:13 AM
I think people have done a good job covering what Ron should say. I'm going to focus a little bit on word power. Because words are power.
Here are my must-say phrases for Ron Paul to win:
1. Reagan. Use this as an adjective, as in "Reagan Conservative" or "Reagan Republican". "I served with Ronald Reagan on..." "Ronald Reagan and I..." "Running on the principles of Ronald Reagan and the Constitution, smaller government, less taxes, etc." Reagan this, Reagan that. You get the idea.
Ron Paul was one of only 4 Republican Congressmen to back Ronald Reagan in 1976. He led Reagan's Texas delegation to the 1976 RNC. It also helps that Reagan has the same first name as Paul. He's the only candidate to actually have worked with Ronald Reagan. Reagan is like a god in the Republican Party. He's holy, and it's a power word with a lot of older conservatives. Use it, and you win.
2. Jobs. Jobs, jobs, jobs! Mainstream people don't understand "end the fed" or "monetary policy". They understand JOBS.
Emphasize that you are the only candidate that has studied economics extensively, you were the chairman of the Finance Services subcommittee on Domestic Monetary Policy and Technology, and therefore the ONLY candidate who knows how to re-build business and bring jobs back into this country. Yes, using words like "debt" and "spending" is good, but most people care about JOBS.
3. Taxes. Taxes, taxes, taxes! This resonates.
Similar to "jobs", the word "taxes" resonates with everyone.
Ron needs to specifically talk about what he would do with taxes. People like the "I will cut $1 trillion", but I'd like to see him add "I will cut ____ taxes". This is one of the soundbites that Obama used in '08 - "I will CUT, I repeat CUT taxes for 90% of Americans." I still remember it, gawd.
4. Protect Social Security & Medicare. "Obama will cut your social security and medical benefits because his monetary policies are bankrupting this country."
"We don't have any money left to pay for social security and medicare with all these wars and spending. These programs are no longer solvent. As President, I will make sure that EVERY American gets their social security and medicare check, and these programs are protected AND funded." Take away ammo from critics that say Ron Paul is going to cut everything. When actually the other candidates would bankrupt social security and medicare either with reckless spending or not cutting overseas.
5. Support The Troops & "Safe/Safer" & "Strong/Stronger". "I am the ONLY veteran in this race and the ONLY candidate that receives more support from the active military than any other candidate combined. We need to support the troops and the veterans. Let's keep America SAFE AND STRONG by having a foreign policy that makes sense.
A way for Dr. Paul to get away from the "un-American" label. I support the troops, they want a SAFER & STRONGER AMERICA and a foreign policy that makes sense. We don't need our forces to be diluted and spread out all over the world with 900 bases. We need to bring some them back so they can protect our own borders, spend their money here, create JOBS, and keep America SAFE & STRONG.
6. Guns & 2nd Amendment Rights. Guns, guns, guns!
"I am the ONLY candidate that has an A+ rating from the Gun Owners of America and is committed to protecting your 2nd amendment rights. Voting for any other candidate would endanger your gun rights and lead to potential laws stripping away your ability to use your Constitutional rights. Let's keep America SAFE AND STRONG by having a President that will protect YOUR 2nd Amendment rights.
fatjohn
01-21-2012, 08:23 AM
Weird to see how the MSM has made this election about anything but the economy. His predictions should be hammered, otherwise were playing the MSM game and it's a game they chose because they make the rules. It's the economy, stupid!
milo10
01-21-2012, 09:17 AM
Not to mention if Ron Paul promises REAL border security, people like Michael Savage will KNOW that if they don't support Ron Paul their audiences will go up in SMOKE. You can't scream for closed borders for 15 years and then attack a candidate who will ACTUALLY close them
I agree, and I would also probably emphasize the word "border" more than "immigration."
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