Stuck up for Ron Paul during my economy class

[dodgers2213]

first day of my winter quarter at CSULA. During my professor's lecture there was a brief walk through of history of socialization leading up to the industrial revolution etc
So the professor brings up a slide on hunters and gatherers and says "This is what republican candidate Ron Paul wants, no government and back to this type of living. This is ideal libertarianism"

I quickly slammed him for not even understanding his basic platform, wont get into it much, but he said "oh well, I admit I don't know much about him and I'll have to look in to it"

Seriously...:rolleyes:

[ASDF991]

Ron Paul wants to take us back to the time of Hunters and Gathers?

My god....LOL....


Seems like he is a devout Fox listener.

[seapilot]

That guy is a professor? Scary. Hope you learn something, or at least he will from you.

[KingNothing]

....wait.... wow. what?

Considering that the free market and capitalism best unleash the greatest traits of humanity and allow it to prosper, socialists like your teacher who want to limit that ingenuity are the Luddites.

[DerekB]

Absolutely amazing the number of people who confuse Libertarianism with Anarchism.
Heck, how many times has Santorum said in the past month "I'm not a Libertarian, Ron. I' believe there should be some government."

Well, yeah Rick, we all do.

[Jack Bauer]

Ron Paul wants to take us back to the time of Hunters and Gathers?



And well droopy babylons. If you know what I am saying.

[YankeesJunkie]

Absolutely amazing the number of people who confuse Libertarianism with Anarchism.
Heck, how many times has Santorum said in the past month "I'm not a Libertarian, Ron. I' believe there should be some government."

Well, yeah Rick, we all do.

I enjoy better when the candidates talk about their love of the constitution and then piss on it with their actions. Also, Santorum seemed to get so conservative after he loss by 20 points in 2006

[centure7]

The current band of corrupted Fascists in office have already brought us back to the time of the king-surf relationship. So hunter-gatherer would technically be an improvement :P

But no, Paul has no interest in zero government. He does have interest in *local* government by consent only. Big difference!

[Rincewind]

Well, I'd stay here guys, but I need to go kill a mammoth or me and my kids, Ug, Yurg, and Boog, aren't going to make it through the rest of the winter.

[eleganz]

first day of my winter quarter at CSULA. During my professor's lecture there was a brief walk through of history of socialization leading up to the industrial revolution etc
So the professor brings up a slide on hunters and gatherers and says "This is what republican candidate Ron Paul wants, no government and back to this type of living. This is ideal libertarianism"

I quickly slammed him for not even understanding his basic platform, wont get into it much, but he said "oh well, I admit I don't know much about him and I'll have to look in to it"

Seriously...:rolleyes:


Are you active with the Los Angeles grassroots? send me a PM.

[dodgers2213]

Tell me about it. I have had my fair share of professors that taught nonsense

EDIT: I live in the Inland Empire and take a train out to campus. Not involved with activity (no car, job)

[unknown]

I say that its a misconception that "Ron Paul wants to rules".

Then you can go into smaller government, waste, redundancy among the departments, shifting responsibilities to the state level etc.

Good job.

[BigByrd47119]

Well, I'd stay here guys, but I need to go kill a mammoth or me and my kids, Ug, Yurg, and Boog, aren't going to make it through the rest of the winter.

BWHAHAHAHA!

[ONUV]

Ron Paul wants to take us back to the time of Hunters and Gathers?

My god....LOL....


Seems like he is a devout Fox listener.

a devout progressive. they've infiltrated colleges to indoctrinate the youth. it's working well.

[StilesBC]

Tell him to read The Rational Optimist: How Prosperity Evolves by Matt Ridley.

It explains that free exchange is what turned early humans into a civilization and set them apart from proto-human competitors like the neanderthals. The more freedom of exchange, the more civilized we become. Wikipedia is a great example of this. Millions of people exchanging information voluntarily, resulting in the most valuable resource on the planet.

Libertarians want more freedom of voluntary exchange = more civilization. Your professor is not only wrong, but 100% backward. If he is teaching economics and doesn't understand basic economic concepts like the division of labour and voluntary exchange, I'm afraid you're not going to learn much in his class.

[kill the banks]

"oh well, I admit I don't know much about him and I'll have to look in to it"

there's the truth

[Okie RP fan]

Yea, I've already pledged that I will man up and make a comment if I hear anything like this in my classes.

I won't stand for socialist bias (almost every professor I've had is of the left, politically) and outright lies.

I may not know much myself, and I'm still learning, but I know a lie and I will know when it should at least be called out.

[Sublyminal]

Well, I'd stay here guys, but I need to go kill a mammoth or me and my kids, Ug, Yurg, and Boog, aren't going to make it through the rest of the winter.


This post is so full of win.

[hazek]

This is all the media's work. That professor's own admission is proof of that. He doesn't really know much about Ron yet somehow he has this belief Ron would want us to live like hunters and gatherers again..

Corporate media propaganda machine is the true enemy. Defeating is the only path to a better future. THE ONLY PATH.

[eleganz]

Tell me about it. I have had my fair share of professors that taught nonsense

EDIT: I live in the Inland Empire and take a train out to campus. Not involved with activity (no car, job)

I know some fellow supporters at CSULA that you could get in touch with and could possibly get to events with.

please send me a PM.

[doronster195]

I would love for this to happen in one of my college classes, unfortunately all of mine are technical :'(.

[Giuliani was there on 911]

academia is filled with morons like that.

[Okie RP fan]

This is all the media's work. That professor's own admission is proof of that. He doesn't really know much about Ron yet somehow he has this belief Ron would want us to live like hunters and gatherers again..

Corporate media propaganda machine is the true enemy. Defeating is the only path to a better future. THE ONLY PATH.

Well, it's not just the corporate media. It's the communist/socialist indoctrination spewed through academia.

[Johncjackson]

In my first week of classes, 2 out of 3 professors have mentioned Ron Paul positively. One was in the context of media bias and the other was regarding polling.

[Nate-ForLiberty]

first day of my winter quarter at CSULA. During my professor's lecture there was a brief walk through of history of socialization leading up to the industrial revolution etc
So the professor brings up a slide on hunters and gatherers and says "This is what republican candidate Ron Paul wants, no government and back to this type of living. This is ideal libertarianism"

I quickly slammed him for not even understanding his basic platform, wont get into it much, but he said "oh well, I admit I don't know much about him and I'll have to look in to it"

Seriously...:rolleyes:

wow, first day of class and you had to roll the professor. HA! :D

I wish you would get into it. This stuff entertains me mucho.

[PaulConventionWV]

Yea, I've already pledged that I will man up and make a comment if I hear anything like this in my classes.

I won't stand for socialist bias (almost every professor I've had is of the left, politically) and outright lies.

I may not know much myself, and I'm still learning, but I know a lie and I will know when it should at least be called out.

Learn your stuff so you can respond effectively. It doesn't look good if you can't respond to a professor who is good at peppering you with tough questions. You need to know your stuff. Study. People will take someone more seriously if they get all their ducks in a row, intellectually and can argue forcefully.

[AlexAmore]

Interesting people think we're like anarchists considering libertarians are the strictest in following the law of the land AKA the Constitution - the document that propelled us into the most wealthiest country in the world. It was the liberals that broke the rules and went willy nilly and made us the most broke. Now we think we're wealthy but we're just trying to keep up with the joneses and running up our credit card to give us a false sense of power and comfort. Now hunter gatherer might be where we're headed when our economy collapses. Look into Argentina's collapse.

[Okie RP fan]

Learn your stuff so you can respond effectively. It doesn't look good if you can't respond to a professor who is good at peppering you with tough questions. You need to know your stuff. Study. People will take someone more seriously if they get all their ducks in a row, intellectually and can argue forcefully.

Certainly. I try to study what I can when I can. I'm not saying I'm completely stupid. But, I'm certainly not as sharp as a lot of folks on here. But, yes, I will make sure it is something that I can nail down. I don't want to hurt the perception of Ron Paul and the Liberty Movement.

[kuckfeynes]

Of course, one method of securing support is through the creation of vested economic interests. Therefore, the King alone cannot rule; he must have a sizable group of followers who enjoy the prerequisites of rule, for example, the members of the State apparatus, such as the full-time bureaucracy or the established nobility.[10] But this still secures only a minority of eager supporters, and even the essential purchasing of support by subsidies and other grants of privilege still does not obtain the consent of the majority. For this essential acceptance, the majority must be persuaded by ideology that their government is good, wise and, at least, inevitable, and certainly better than other conceivable alternatives. Promoting this ideology among the people is the vital social task of the "intellectuals." For the masses of men do not create their own ideas, or indeed think through these ideas independently; they follow passively the ideas adopted and disseminated by the body of intellectuals. The intellectuals are, therefore, the "opinion-molders" in society. And since it is precisely a molding of opinion that the State most desperately needs, the basis for age-old alliance between the State and the intellectuals becomes clear.

It is evident that the State needs the intellectuals; it is not so evident why intellectuals need the State. Put simply, we may state that the intellectual's livelihood in the free market is never too secure; for the intellectual must depend on the values and choices of the masses of his fellow men, and it is precisely characteristic of the masses that they are generally uninterested in intellectual matters. The State, on the other hand, is willing to offer the intellectuals a secure and permanent berth in the State apparatus; and thus a secure income and the panoply of prestige. For the intellectuals will be handsomely rewarded for the important function they perform for the State rulers, of which group they now become a part.
(Anatomy of the State) (http://mises.org/easaran/chap3.asp)

[affa]

Absolutely amazing the number of people who confuse Libertarianism with Anarchism.

Absolutely amazing the number of people who confuse Anarchism with wanting to go back to a hunter/gatherer society.

I mean, seriously, you criticize a man for misunderstanding Libertarianism while in the same breath thoroughly misstating the precepts of Anarchism.

[ssjevot]

I just feel like saying academia isn't just liberals and certainly isn't filled with morons. I'm a PhD student and quite a few professors I have worked with over the years at both the University of Minnesota and University of Washington have been libertarians and independents. Yes there are a lot of socialist minded people in academia, but most (even the socialists) are intelligent and open to competing opinions. The morons aren't a majority, they're just a very loud minority (I've clashed with a few of those in my tenure).

[Eric39]

....wait.... wow. what?

Considering that the free market and capitalism best unleash the greatest traits of humanity and allow it to prosper, socialists like your teacher who want to limit that ingenuity are the Luddites.

Not gonna lie, as a liberal turned libertarian, that is one of the worst arguments you can make. While I agree with the statement, most people are going to connect the industrial revolution with free market. I recommend using terms like "a REAL free market" and then going into the situations in which liberty is contrary to monopoly.

[MikeStanart]

If things keep up, the establishment will force us into "hunter/gather societies"

[archangel689]

"economy class?" What kind of class was this again? Sounds like a sociology class.

[Jeremy Tyler]

He brought up hunter gather society? So I assume your economics professor read at least the first few chapters of Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith where he used the hunter gather society as the very basis for his entire argument in that book. Shows where trade and specialization allow wealth to be increased...all in a free market with no government telling people what they need to do.

Surely your professor was getting to this point being a economics professor and all right?

[Philosophers' Legacy]

Tube or it didn't happen.

[Rudeman]

"economy class?" What kind of class was this again? Sounds like a sociology class.

An Econ class? Or maybe an economic history class? You could be right as well though.

[Dsylexic]

I just feel like saying academia isn't just liberals and certainly isn't filled with morons. I'm a PhD student and quite a few professors I have worked with over the years at both the University of Minnesota and University of Washington have been libertarians and independents. Yes there are a lot of socialist minded people in academia, but most (even the socialists) are intelligent and open to competing opinions. The morons aren't a majority, they're just a very loud minority (I've clashed with a few of those in my tenure).

i am not convinced.a survey last year of academics revelead most of them would describe themselves as having socialist leanings and of 'Democrat' persuasion.it is not that difficult to understand that.most of the academics depend on state grants.so it would be in their interest to support the state agenda.
plus,most professors are far away from the practicalities of running a real life business,so profit is not seen as a good thing at all.
not to mention,most of them are always thinkign like nannys talking down to students
all in all a perfect breeding ground for statism

[surf]

I just feel like saying academia isn't just liberals and certainly isn't filled with morons. I'm a PhD student and quite a few professors I have worked with over the years at both the University of Minnesota and University of Washington have been libertarians and independents. Yes there are a lot of socialist minded people in academia, but most (even the socialists) are intelligent and open to competing opinions. The morons aren't a majority, they're just a very loud minority (I've clashed with a few of those in my tenure).
go Huskies! there was a professor in intro econ (200?) when i was there that was a libertarian named Heyne. i think he recently passed away

[Rudeman]

I got an A in both my intro econ classes, both were honors (signed up for it by mistake my 1st semester, it was relatively easy imo), yet if it wasn't for Ron Paul I would have likely never learned (well I shouldn't say never) about Austrian economics. It's amazing how much I have learned from watching/listening to what he has to say.

[Cutlerzzz]

first day of my winter quarter at CSULA. During my professor's lecture there was a brief walk through of history of socialization leading up to the industrial revolution etc
So the professor brings up a slide on hunters and gatherers and says "This is what republican candidate Ron Paul wants, no government and back to this type of living. This is ideal libertarianism"

I quickly slammed him for not even understanding his basic platform, wont get into it much, but he said "oh well, I admit I don't know much about him and I'll have to look in to it"

Seriously...:rolleyes:Could you be a little more vague?

[ShaneEnochs]

Thank GOODNESS for the Department of Education subsidizing this kind of drivel.

[J_White]

wow !
he is brainwashed !

[Mises_to_Paul]

I just feel like saying academia isn't just liberals and certainly isn't filled with morons. I'm a PhD student and quite a few professors I have worked with over the years at both the University of Minnesota and University of Washington have been libertarians and independents. Yes there are a lot of socialist minded people in academia, but most (even the socialists) are intelligent and open to competing opinions. The morons aren't a majority, they're just a very loud minority (I've clashed with a few of those in my tenure).

This has been my experience, sort of. I'm not in a particularly politicized field, so maybe I am biased but the general trend seems to be that the majority of academics accept liberty and freedom when it comes to domestic issues generally associated with the "left" (such as the War on Drugs), but not the "right" (such as the 2nd Amendment). However, on economic issues, most academics I've interacted with have an overt hostility to free markets, and usually confuse corporatism with capitalism.

[Muttley]

Time to drop that class... :rolleyes:

[dodgers2213]

Could you be a little more vague?

didn't feel like typing up the exchange :cool:

[Eric21ND]

LOL!

[LayZayFaire]

Absolutely amazing the number of people who confuse Libertarianism with Anarchism.


LOL.

The thread is about a professor confused about libertarianism.

Your post is about you being confused about anarchy and anarchists.

Blind leading the blind. No wonder I'm a skeptic. Not skeptical of Ron Paul. Only of his supporters. But that's politics. Politics is about convincing, not about your supporters understanding every position.

FYI, maybe Ron Paul hasn't stated that he is an anarchist, but he sure keeps them in good company. Ever heard of the Mises Institute?

[kojirodensetsu]

first day of my winter quarter at CSULA. During my professor's lecture there was a brief walk through of history of socialization leading up to the industrial revolution etc
So the professor brings up a slide on hunters and gatherers and says "This is what republican candidate Ron Paul wants, no government and back to this type of living. This is ideal libertarianism"

I quickly slammed him for not even understanding his basic platform, wont get into it much, but he said "oh well, I admit I don't know much about him and I'll have to look in to it"

Seriously...:rolleyes:
It's this reason that colleges are liberal manufacturer plants.

[Orwell]

In my MBA program, the professors, particularly the economists, were very fair to Paul, with most speaking favorably. Typically just leaving it at, "His (Paul's) economic policies are very interesting", and using him as an example of Keynesian vs. Austrian economics. To be fair, Austrian economics isn't always peaches and cream, so a non-biased professor must explain the pros and cons of both.

[Rincewind]

It's this reason that colleges are liberal manufacturer plants.

That's not entirely fair. It's certainly not universally true.

[Czolgosz]

I've encountered many "liberals" indoctrinated to believe that w/ minimal government everything reverts back to the 50's where women have no rights, blah, blah, blah.

[Orwell]

That's not entirely fair. It's certainly not universally true.

You're correct, considering Paul's largest voter block (going by % of that demographic) are college-aged individuals. Combined, I spent about six years and college and never heard the liberal propaganda you hear so much about.

[thoughtomator]

many people with advanced degrees make the mistake of believing that expertise in one field implies competence in others

[colbyhowell]

I would have said 'Ron Paul knows more about economics than you ever will.'

[nowwearefree]

my econ professor who is quite famous in an ivy leauge school
he is a lifelong republican, thinks ron paul is a fiscal conservative yet his foreign policy is weak
i stood up for ron paul too and said " just because he doesn't want to be world police doesnt mean his policy is weak"
i asked him to think what he would think if other countries, eg china do that to that usa
he kind of agrees with me in the end, but still say he will have a hard time voting for ron

the lesson i get from this is, old people are really much more pro war, maybe they've experience world war 2
kind of disappoints me because this professor has always been very nice, thoughtful with all other matters, but when it come to war, he seems to be brainwashed
oh well, thats my story

[papitosabe]

Absolutely amazing the number of people who confuse Libertarianism with Anarchism.
Heck, how many times has Santorum said in the past month "I'm not a Libertarian, Ron. I' believe there should be some government."

Well, yeah Rick, we all do.

yea, I was hoping Ron would have rebutted on that specific statement. He really should have.

[Rincewind]

many people with advanced degrees make the mistake of believing that expertise in one field implies competence in others

I suppose. But, I'm in law school, and I'm well aware I can't build a bridge or perform a heart transplant.

[papitosabe]

my econ professor who is quite famous in an ivy leauge school
he is a lifelong republican, thinks ron paul is a fiscal conservative yet his foreign policy is weak
i stood up for ron paul too and said " just because he doesn't want to be world police doesnt mean his policy is weak"


I still don't get why this isn't knocked out by RP once and for all because this is probably the main issue thats hindering him. I don't understand why he doesn't ask something like this. If the former head of the CIA, the current CIA, and the latest IAEA report show there is no imminent threat to the US from Iran as far as a nuclear weapon. And Netanyahu doesn't want US troops in Israel, then why isn't anyone listening?

[Justinfrom1776]

Absolutely amazing the number of people who confuse Libertarianism with Anarchism.
Heck, how many times has Santorum said in the past month "I'm not a Libertarian, Ron. I' believe there should be some government."

Well, yeah Rick, we all do.

Rick's idea of "some government" is No Child Left Behind, Medicare pt D, and bridges to nowhere...

[nowwearefree]

I still don't get why this isn't knocked out by RP once and for all because this is probably the main issue thats hindering him. I don't understand why he doesn't ask something like this. If the former head of the CIA, the current CIA, and the latest IAEA report show there is no imminent threat to the US from Iran as far as a nuclear weapon. And Netanyahu doesn't want US troops in Israel, then why isn't anyone listening?
as much as i like ron paul, i dun think he is great at explaining some of his concepts
oh well, no one is perfect
i do hope he care explain his stance much more clearly, especially with job creations and foreign policy
Rand is actually very good at explaining things

[eleganz]

OP trying to get you in touch with the RP supporters in your school. Send me a message because I think your PM is off.