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flightlesskiwi
01-09-2012, 01:02 PM
We're looking into the history of the man shot and killed by police after they say he started a gunfight with them while robbing the Archdiocese of Santa Fe - and attacking one of its guards.

The Albuquerque Police Department said Mark Macoldowna is classified as a constitutionalist and has committed violent crimes in the past.

According to the definition KOB Eyewitness News 4 found, a constitutionalist is a person who believes they are not subject to federal law, taxes or the court system.

APD said Macoldowna, 31, had a history of lying about his birth year and his name - he most frequently went by alias Mark Beechum.

Police said the security video from the archdiocese shows Macoldowna in a gun fight with an officer - after he was killed police had a hard time identifying him.

APD Chief Ray Schultz said his investigators had to consult with the FBI and other law enforcement agencies to get a handle Macoldowna’s identity.

"Mr. Macoldowa is described as a known constitutionalist - he basically believes in the right to govern himself," said Schultz.

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S2442729.shtml

it's coming, people. it's coming.

brushfire
01-09-2012, 01:07 PM
Here they come... Here they come... Here come the bastards, I heard it from a confident...

They're definitely on their way.

Steve-in-NY
01-09-2012, 01:07 PM
Ah crap.

flightlesskiwi
01-09-2012, 01:09 PM
ha! i know this is a local story, but think of the implications of Ron being referred to by Romney as "the constitutionalist".

makes me want to $#%ing pull my hair out.

donnay
01-09-2012, 01:12 PM
The MIAC report and fusion center all across the country think anyone who exercise their rights is a terrorist!

They are setting the narrative to attack and kill anyone who defends and supports the Constitution!!

:mad:

AFPVet
01-09-2012, 01:15 PM
I guess they haven't done their homework have they? Constitutionalists believe in our constitutional form of governance.... Perhaps they should read the Constitution as opposed to mixing words.

Zippyjuan
01-09-2012, 01:15 PM
Let me get this straight. He has committed violent crimes in the past. He was in the process of robbing a bank and accordding to the article was the one who started a gunfight with the police. So that is to be taken that the reason he was shot was that he didn't like government? Not buying the attempted connection to the very large and bolded parts with what really happened. It was due to his violent actions- not his political beliefs.


after they say he started a gunfight with them while robbing the Archdiocese of Santa Fe - and attacking one of its guards.



"He has been arrested previously - he's been arrested in El Paso on weapons charges and he is also currently the suspect in another violent armed robbery with some of the same indications as we saw here in Albuquerque in the Ruidoso Downs area," said Schultz.

Revolution9
01-09-2012, 01:17 PM
They don't understand that this is Universe coming at them. Wrath and time is short etc. These brags are part of what satanists call "The Revelation of the Method". If looked at as the spell and curse it is they have demonstrated what their tactic is but they also understand and fear The Constitution is coming after them. Have no fear..Underdog is here! They should beware the Ides of March.


Rev9

flightlesskiwi
01-09-2012, 01:17 PM
but, Zippy, please remember that not everyone can think critically like yourself.


Let me get this straight. He has committed violent crimes in the past. He was in the process of robbing a bank and accordding to the article was the one who started a gunfight with the police. So that is to be taken that the reason he was shot was that he didn't like government? Not buying the attempted connection to the very large and bolded parts with what really happened. It was due to his violent actions- not his political beliefs.

Davy Crockett
01-09-2012, 01:19 PM
Another example of poor reporting. Macoldowna is what one would call a Sovereign Citizen, not a Consitutionalist.


According to the definition KOB Eyewitness News 4 found, a constitutionalist is a person who believes they are not subject to federal law, taxes or the court system.

APD said Macoldowna, 31, had a history of lying about his birth year and his name - he most frequently went by alias Mark Beechum.

Police said the security video from the archdiocese shows Macoldowna in a gun fight with an officer - after he was killed police had a hard time identifying him.

APD Chief Ray Schultz said his investigators had to consult with the FBI and other law enforcement agencies to get a handle Macoldowna’s identity.

"Mr. Macoldowa is described as a known constitutionalist - he basically believes in the right to govern himself," said Schultz.

AFPVet
01-09-2012, 01:23 PM
Another example of shabby reporting. Macoldowna is what one would call a Sovereign Citizen.

Yep... that's exactly right. They should get their facts straight. However, even "sovereigns" are subject to the laws—albeit, common laws rather than regulations.

donnay
01-09-2012, 01:24 PM
Let me get this straight. He has committed violent crimes in the past. He was in the process of robbing a bank and accordding to the article was the one who started a gunfight with the police. So that is to be taken that the reason he was shot was that he didn't like government? Not buying the attempted connection to the very large and bolded parts with what really happened. It was due to his violent actions- not his political beliefs.

Sorry, I have seen so many of these cases where the police will put out any damning information to justify their kills.

Most of what they say are not facts...especially when they say: "Police said he most recently is suspected in gun and robbery related crimes in southeastern New Mexico and West Texas."

The problem is, it's our word against theirs...and this man had a right to trial, but he cannot now, because he is DEAD.

Zippyjuan
01-09-2012, 01:30 PM
Sorry, I have seen so many of these cases where the police will put out any damning information to justify their kills.

Most of what they say are not facts...especially when they say: "Police said he most recently is suspected in gun and robbery related crimes in southeastern New Mexico and West Texas."

The problem is, it's our word against theirs...and this man had a right to trial, but he cannot now, because he is DEAD.

So you don't think he was robbing the bank or shot at anybody? Perhaps he was just making a deposit and they decided to gun him down for the fun of it?

newbitech
01-09-2012, 01:34 PM
he basically believes in the right to govern himself

are there people out there who don't, including this cop?

flightlesskiwi
01-09-2012, 01:48 PM
are there people out there who don't, including this cop?


ain't that a loaded question!! hahahaha!

donnay
01-09-2012, 01:50 PM
So you don't think he was robbing the bank or shot at anybody? Perhaps he was just making a deposit and they decided to gun him down for the fun of it?

I guess we'll have to take what the police report because we know they never lie, right?

GunnyFreedom
01-09-2012, 02:03 PM
When did archdioceses become banks? :confused:

Philhelm
01-09-2012, 02:03 PM
The real issue here isn't whether he was a Constitutionalist, but that his political views were in any way significant to this story. I wonder how many registered Republicans or Democrats commit crimes? Probably vastly, and I'll wager disproportionally more, than any Constitutionalist.

Zippyjuan
01-09-2012, 02:04 PM
I guess we'll have to take what the police report because we know they never lie, right?

Nah- they all eat doughnuts and go around shooting anybody they don't like and then lie about it. Or all their dogs.
And they they fake the video too.

Police said the security video from the archdiocese shows Macoldowna in a gun fight with an officer -

xFiFtyOnE
01-09-2012, 02:10 PM
And now thanks to this flippin moron the DHS will start setting up check points at Ron Paul rallies.

GunnyFreedom
01-09-2012, 02:21 PM
The real issue here isn't whether he was a Constitutionalist, but that his political views were in any way significant to this story. I wonder how many registered Republicans or Democrats commit crimes? Probably vastly, and I'll wager disproportionally more, than any Constitutionalist.

this.

donnay
01-09-2012, 02:23 PM
Nah- they all eat doughnuts and go around shooting anybody they don't like and then lie about it. Or all their dogs.
And they they fake the video too.


"Police said the security video from the archdiocese shows Macoldowna in a gun fight with an officer - "

It was also said he open carried...suppose one of those nervous Nelly cops saw a gun and decided to shot first, and the deceased was just protecting himself. You know like many cases were people holding cell phones and flashlights were said to have been shot by police--Amadou Diallo was shot an estimate 41 times because one cop thought he had a gun when it was a cell phone.

Davy Crockett
01-09-2012, 02:26 PM
Here they come... Here they come... Here come the bastards, I heard it from a confident...

They're definitely on their way.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me.

-- Martin Niemöller (1892-1984) was an ardent nationalist and prominent Protestant pastor


Brushfire, first they came after us White Nationalists and people like you did not speak out. Over the last eight years I have been thrown in jail three times on false charges and each time the prosecutor had no evidence, wasting the taxpayers money on trials centered on my personal beliefs. Thankfully, each time I had a jury that saw through the farce. Unknown to you and others, there are thousands of political prisoners in America today serving long prison sentences for nothing more than having politically incorrect thoughts.

The federal gestapo does not have to come after you, your fellow neighbors who buy into the propaganda will be the ones to turn you in. Hate crime laws are so poorly written that all it takes is for one minority to have a beef with me, tell the police that they felt "threatened" and off to jail I go again. This is why I now live in an all White community and stay away from areas where I will run into minorities and brainwashed Whites who feel that it is their duty to go after every "Nazi".

First, they are going to play guilt by association. Then the feds are going to start visiting your place of work and your neighbors, asking questions to make you appear dangerous to society. Once the feds are satisfied that no one will come to your defense, then the false charges will come.

Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so, too. ~Voltaire

Zippyjuan
01-09-2012, 02:43 PM
More details on the incident:
http://westside.kob.com/news/news/105689-man-arrested-connection-albuquerque-police-involved-shooting

Police said the dangerous confrontation with the suspect and the officer happened on a dirt lot behind the Santa Fe Archdiocese offices near the St. Pius X High School in Albuquerque’s Westside.

Schultz said the security guard was doing his regular rounds alone and unarmed inside the Catholic Center after 10 p.m. Wednesday.

Schultz said the guard was assaulted and bound by the suspect.

"The offender held a gun to the security guard's head and wanted to know exactly where in the building money and/or the safes were kept," Schultz said.

Police said the suspect was a white man in his late 20s.

APD said he got the safe and left through a back door of the building.

But the security guard, still tied up, managed to call someone at his office who could called police. Schultz said that suspect was met by an officer outside.

"The offender produced a handgun and began firing at the officer," Schultz said. "The officer retreated, as the officer was retreating he drew his firearm and fired back at the suspect."

The suspect didn't live to find out that the stolen safe was empty.

He died at the scene. Schultz said he was shot at least twice.

flightlesskiwi
01-09-2012, 02:47 PM
"He had many previous encounters with law enforcement in southern New Mexico where he would freely, openly carry a firearm and he would often be seen in the Ruidoso area with a firearm," said Schultz.

NM is an open carry state.

it is also, strangely, a progressive-run blue state.

KOB seems to be pandering to the progressive liberals in their reporting.

Ruidoso: http://www.alamogordonews.com/ci_18889005 Opponents of Ruidoso Mayor Ray Alborn's ban on firearms in municipal buildings were on hand Tuesday as the village council met amid a heavy police presence.

Revolution9
01-09-2012, 02:49 PM
When did archdioceses become banks? :confused:

Around 1400 AD.

hth
rev9

Steve-in-NY
01-09-2012, 03:02 PM
Amadou Diallo was shot an estimate 41 times because one cop thought he had a gun when it was a cell phone. It was a wallet.


According to the definition KOB Eyewitness News 4 foundFrom where? 4chan?

donnay
01-09-2012, 03:12 PM
More details on the incident:
http://westside.kob.com/news/news/105689-man-arrested-connection-albuquerque-police-involved-shooting

Damage control?

APD Chief Ray Schultz said:

"Schultz said the security guard was doing his regular rounds alone and unarmed inside the Catholic Center after 10 p.m. Wednesday.

Schultz said the guard was assaulted and bound by the suspect.

"The offender held a gun to the security guard's head and wanted to know exactly where in the building money and/or the safes were kept," Schultz said.


JUSTIFIED! Move on...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_police_brutality_in_the_United_St ates

donnay
01-09-2012, 03:13 PM
It was a wallet.

Correct, my mistake.

eduardo89
01-09-2012, 03:14 PM
I'm surprised this guy wasn't shot


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BwQQSo9YX4

mrsat_98
01-09-2012, 06:25 PM
§26. State Sovereignty

Section 26. The people of this state have the sole and exclusive right of governing themselves as a free and sovereign state; and do, and forever hereafter shall, exercise and enjoy every power, jurisdiction, and right, pertaining thereto, which is not, or may not hereafter be, by them expressly delegated to the United States of America in congress assembled.

Acts 1997, No. 1494, §1, approved Oct. 3, 1998, eff. Nov. 5, 1998.