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nyrgoal99
01-07-2012, 09:43 PM
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libertyfanatic
01-07-2012, 09:44 PM
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zerosdontcount
01-07-2012, 09:44 PM
vote where?

libertyfanatic
01-07-2012, 09:44 PM
10

Jtorsella
01-07-2012, 09:45 PM
Absolutely his best debate.

mikeforliberty
01-07-2012, 09:46 PM
I don't think he did good overall. But I thought he did great against Newt Gingrich. It's too bad they can't fact check as the candidates go.

rblgenius
01-07-2012, 09:47 PM
I don't think he did that well. I watched impartially and if I was someone who just tuned in and had no idea about any candidate I would say Romney won. He just has that debate appeal

The_Ruffneck
01-07-2012, 09:48 PM
7
Hard to say perfect debate for him when he got like one question in the second half of the debate

Root
01-07-2012, 09:48 PM
I think his best answers were for the stupidest questions (3rd party, newsletters).

Mises_to_Paul
01-07-2012, 09:49 PM
I thought Santorum muddied the waters effectively enough for those exchanges to be seen as a draw by the average voter.

He nailed the exchange with Newt and the other questions that were meant to trip him up.

Ineffective answer on the vision question, IMO. Once again...the average voter doesn't understand the business cycle or malinvestment.

Nice ending (and not far from the truth, most likely).

8/10.

liveandletlive
01-07-2012, 09:49 PM
I think his best answers were for the stupidest questions (3rd party, newsletters).

WTF...asked about the newsletters? Well I guess they cant possibly ask him about it again tomorrow i hope

newbitech
01-07-2012, 09:50 PM
I gave him an 8 his response were excellet, but he got a little to hyperventilated. Some other critisism. One thing I noticed about Ron Paul, he always seems to try and follow the "rules" of the debate. Also, I always noticed him looking down at the podium instead of looking up engaging in eye contact with the other people on stage. I think part of the reason he gets skipped over is because he is too timid finding a place to jump in.

Prime example, he had a chance to really nail it on the vision for America question. He didn't mention the youth. Seems he was given the first chance at a really softball question and I though his answer on that was a miss. Especially since he stopped talking way too soon. The moderators went to Romney next, then went down the line and back up it again. It really was the last question of the night, and Ron Paul was the only one that didn't really seem to take his time and give a thoughtful answer to it.

Over all though, on the issues, perfect.

economics102
01-07-2012, 09:50 PM
This was one of HIS best performances relative to the opportunities he had, but not one of the best debates. But Paul was as crisp and sharp as I've ever seen him tonight.

Only thing I wish he would have done is he should have jumped in when Romney was explaining how terrible it is that China manipulates its currency, that would have been a brilliant time to jump in and say that WE manipulate our currency.

SpicyTurkey
01-07-2012, 09:50 PM
He was fantastic.

JJ2
01-07-2012, 09:51 PM
I don't think he did that well. I watched impartially and if I was someone who just tuned in and had no idea about any candidate I would say Romney won. He just has that debate appeal

Romney got all the airtime!

DonovanJames
01-07-2012, 09:51 PM
I don't think he did that well. I watched impartially and if I was someone who just tuned in and had no idea about any candidate I would say Romney won. He just has that debate appeal

I'll have to agree. From the standpoint of a diehard Dr. Paul supporter each question (which I knew was coming) I was like,"Nailed it Docta P"

But I did watch the debates with a few friends switching back and forth between them and the Saints Detroit playoffs game and they didn't see the "magic" I had been pushing for so long

freeforall
01-07-2012, 10:02 PM
I loved seeing him laughing and enjoying the debate. I think we all want to hear him speak at length on every topic. It's okay that he didn't get that chance as there are still a lot of debates to come. People need to digest one or two great answers at a time anyway. He also was very purposeful in his answers saying what he wanted the people to hear rather than just answering the question. I'm noticing he speaks less fluidly when he focuses on the message he wants to get out and speaks better when he's more conversational. Overall, I'm glad he focused on the message and look forward to seeing what kind of impact he had tonight.

thoughtomator
01-07-2012, 10:04 PM
He could have been a bit more coherent, sometimes it seemed he wanted to say so much at once that there wasn't a solid connection from one statement to the next. But he got better after shaking off the nerves I think.

Strategically I think this was a fantastic performance, it really distinguished him from the field on various important topics as an expert on things that really matter. Romney deferring to him on the Constitution was an astonishing endorsement.

The field shrank by at least one tonight and Perry is the odd man out. Santorum also turned in a very weak performance and Gingrich got himself slapped down hard and turned invisible after that. Gingrich is clearly vulnerable on the chickenhawk charge and pressing it can push him out of the race.

LandonCook
01-07-2012, 10:04 PM
Wow... I voted the lowest so far with a 3.

Paul was not on his game. Only with the back and forth with Newt and the Wife and kids comment... That was the ONLY highlight.

ronpaulitician
01-07-2012, 10:04 PM
I missed the first 45 minutes or so. May have heard him give two answers in the last hour or so. Seemed like about a 7 to me.

abstrusezincate
01-07-2012, 10:08 PM
I think this debate went excellent. I was watching with two people who aren't big on policy, but who both told me that Ron seemed like the only real and genuine person up there, and they also agreed how he was getting questions that were all knocks.

I give Ron a 9 in an unfriendly environment.

FreeTraveler
01-07-2012, 10:09 PM
He was better than everybody else except Romney, and on a par with Huntsman. That's all that really matters. More importantly, I think Perry killed himself with going back into Iraq, and Grinch didn't make any new friends and probably lost a few -- as did Santorum.

Evangelical_Protestant
01-07-2012, 10:10 PM
I watched it from start to finish. I thought it was his best debate. He was serious, he was balanced in aggression and politeness, and he defended himself while debunking several candidates who attacked. I think people who were on the fence on voting for Ron Paul will have a hard time NOT crossing over to the light. People who don't listen to what the candidates actually say, or are socialist minded, and people for whom personal appearance is a deciding factor, I say that Romney probably just slightly edged out Ron Paul.

I believe that Ron Paul did increase his stock tonight. However, he needs to maintain it for tomorrow. He's hard for the press to ignore now that "eligible" candidates are dwindling, and he is doing a good job of organizing in NH, gaining leaps and bounds everyday. The south may be tough for Paul because of his anti-war stance, but he did a good job of getting points with southerners tonight too by stating that when he was drafted, he did his duty and fought. Paul is making it harder and harder for skeptics, and people who are nervous about his foreign policy to vote for him. I think he hit it out of the park tonight, and the reviews by un-biased bloggers should reflect that around the country, with the occasional blogger saying that Romney was the victor.

I personally just have a problem with Romney answering all his questions with statements like "Well, we need to increase jobs and get America working again, and as a business man myself, I know how to do that." [to applause] But he never really gives any real ideas , or never answers the questions in a way where a clear stance is given, he leaves it wide open to speculation. But people like him for some reason.

Corey
01-07-2012, 10:10 PM
This was easily close to his best debate. You have to judge it relative to the fact that they muted the audience, manipulated his microphone, attacked him relentlessly in a ridiculous way. And he came out of it all smelling like roses as far as I can tell. His points were spot on, he sounded presidential, etc.

pauliticalfan
01-07-2012, 10:12 PM
10.

freeforall
01-07-2012, 10:13 PM
But people like him for some reason.

I don't.

peluski17
01-07-2012, 10:14 PM
I voted 7 only for the fact that they tried to cut him out in the second half and I felt he should of made an attempt to interject to try and get more camera time. The media is trying to downplay Paul's momentum, and I feel he could win more hearts with more airtime.

Vet_from_cali
01-07-2012, 10:16 PM
in all honesty, he is way too passive. he never jumps in discussions and sits and waits to be called up on or his name to be mentioned. with these tactics he will remain a sideline debater.

Vet_from_cali
01-07-2012, 10:21 PM
cant believe all the tens, it could have ended a lot better.

GeorgiaAvenger
01-07-2012, 10:34 PM
An 8

Tod
01-07-2012, 10:37 PM
I gave Dr. Paul an 8.....there were some questions he could've done better on, but he really nailed some of them.

Santorum didn't help himself any, I don't think
Huntsman probably didn't either, maybe even hurt himself a little.
Gingrich mostly came out still headed down, although he did have a good points about attacks on Christianity that a lot of people will nod in agreement about.
Romney remained neutral
Perry shot himself in the foot.

unknown
01-07-2012, 10:40 PM
WTF...asked about the newsletters? Well I guess they cant possibly ask him about it again tomorrow i hope

This is whats going to happen tomorrow.

Where he did well, they well challenge him on those responses "last night you said x, but x source says this".

But a back to back debate also gives us an opportunity to improve on any answers or clarify any positions from tonight.

donnay
01-07-2012, 10:42 PM
Fantastic!! 10+

camp_steveo
01-07-2012, 10:45 PM
The journalists are scum.

refuge
01-07-2012, 10:47 PM
Paul did fantastic in this debate, certainly a 10/10 for when he actually talked. He owned Santorum, Newt, nailed all of the questions perfectly, it was GREAT!

icon124
01-07-2012, 10:50 PM
I don't think he did that well. I watched impartially and if I was someone who just tuned in and had no idea about any candidate I would say Romney won. He just has that debate appeal

what ever that appeal is you are referring to I hope to never get that feeling....I feel sorry for you.

Liberty Shark
01-07-2012, 10:58 PM
8.

My words to the people who felt he did mediocre, you need to understand the difficult position Dr. Paul is in during these debates. The media has the fix in and try to derail him in every way possible in these debates, whether it's a lack of questions or pathetic questions. Due to media bias, I personally believe that each debate by Dr. Paul is essentially a success and win as long as he avoids LOSING SUPPORT due to an answer. Any additional gains in support due to a debate is a BONUS, as far as I'm concerned at this point and given these circumstances. This debate was just a few days before the NH primary, and as long as no damage was done to cause a lose of 2nd place on Tuesday, it should be considered a success. At this point the media is using the debates to try to derail Paul and help out others.

Crickett
01-07-2012, 11:56 PM
Ron did fantastic with every question except the great vision of American one. But they REALLY tried to gotcha him. They MADE him tell Santorum and Newt off, right to their faces. I don't know why they picked that..then the newsletter thing again. Ron did very wonderfully and even somehow got his policies interjected a few times. He looked happy mostly, and simply strong and like a LEADER, which is certainly is. I gave him a 9.

nyrgoal99
01-08-2012, 07:26 AM
bump

Chowder
01-08-2012, 07:37 AM
I think Ron Paul, once the race goes down to less and less candidates he'll jump in a lot more. For the most part at times it seems like he sits back and enjoys the ride and watches other candidates go into tailspins. It reminds me of game shows where first and second place contestants get to watch the rest scramble rather pathetically for points while they hold a steady lead. Once it's down to at least 3-4 candidates I believe we're going to see some action. I give this debate 8.5 Ron needs to stop stuttering so much in the begining! He crushed Newt and Santorum. I think by now they're going to back off on the newsletter issues because Ron this time will throw it back in their faces.

LayZayFaire
01-08-2012, 07:42 AM
"I was married with two kids and I went."

btwilli1
01-08-2012, 07:45 AM
He should have fought for more time. Especially the last 2 big topics.

ILUVRP
01-08-2012, 07:56 AM
best debate by ron paul , made no mistakes , loved the chicken hawks statement , newt/sandytoreman are ah's , throw in ( i would send troops back into iraq ) parry.