Romney's Virginia Ballot Signatures (Supposedly) 33% Were Invalid.

[Philosophy_of_Politics]

http://www.dailypaul.com/200404/33-of-mitt-romneys-signatures-invalid-in-va


This is according to a Rev Pac email. Here is the email sent "We've just been notified with crucial information regarding the Virgina Presidential Primary Ballot that could easily effect the outcome.

33% of Mitt Romneys signatures were invalidated by the party.

We need someone to take the lead on going into the Sec. of State's office and filing a protest and looking at Romney's signature petion filings as these are public records.

More at link.

[UtahApocalypse]

Going after this is HIGH risk. If its correct its like a nuclear bomb, if were wrong it will look very bad.

[jersdream]

Ballots? No ballots have been cast yet in Virginia.

Even if 33% are invalid, he probably got 20k or something to be safe.

[Sublyminal]

Ballots? No ballots have been cast yet in Virginia.

Even if 33% are invalid, he probably got 20k or something to be safe.


He got a little over 15k

[AgentOrange]

Of course this should be looked at, Ron Pauls signatures are always heavily scrutinized. Sure the media will make a deal out it, but the media will never give Ron Paul a fair shake anyway. Decisions shouldn't be made based on what the media thinks.

[itssimplyjeff]

He got a little over 15k

15,000 - 33% = 10050

[ghengis86]

Math FTW!

Lol

[blazeKing]

That would be great if he didn't meet the requirements lol

[eduardo89]

15,000 - 33% = 10050

Yeah but he might fall below the 400 valid per congressional district!

[Drex]

Great organizational skills

[BKom]

If anyone is going to play that game, they had better be sure all of Ron's signatures were good.

[lucent]

If he submitted 15k, he got enough. Why do stupid things keep coming up?

[bronxboy10]

Huge if this gets Romney off the ballot.


Barring a court order that opens the field, Mitt Romney and Ron Paul will be the only candidates on the March 6th ballot, and there is no opportunity under state law for a write-in campaign.

Source (http://www.wdbj7.com/news/blogs/wdbj7-story-mcdonnell-oath-20120105,0,6038633.story)

[Sublyminal]

If he submitted 15k, he got enough. Why do stupid things keep coming up?


No idea, but we don't need to worry about it here. There's Romney and Paul on the ballots that's it. And Virginia is Paul territory.

[jsem]

If he submitted 15k, he got enough. Why do stupid things keep coming up?
Rick Perry said he handed in 12K signatures, some were invalid though.

[braane]

15,000 - 33% = 10050

Close enough for a recount. We can be certain that ours were valid. They probably looked twice to throw every invalid one out for us. So I don't really see the risk. If we don't do so well in New Hampshire, this may be the boost we need for a path forward. So it's in our back pocket just in case.

[AceNZ]

If the sigs were invalid, the party would just change the rules so Mitt still qualified.

[WIwarrior]

If he submitted 15k, he got enough. Why do stupid things keep coming up?

You also need to get 400 signatures in each county. IF and thats a big IF 33% signatures are invalid then Romney probably does not have enough signatures for each county. I'm sure Ron's campaign is aware of it and they will do what is right. We should not be concerned with this IMHO.

[69360]

before anyone gets worked up the source of this info should be vetted so we all don't look like wackjobs

DP is full of conspiracy theorists, I can hardly read it sometimes

[pauliticalfan]

Go for it.

[PastaRocket848]

Yeah... DP is like davidickeforums lite. I'd take it with a grain of salt.

[VBRonPaulFan]

waste of time. if this was pursued and he failed to meet requirements, you can be goddamn sure that there'd be an immediate change to the rules to allow all the republican candidates on the ballot.

[Xenophage]

http://www.dailypaul.com/200404/33-of-mitt-romneys-signatures-invalid-in-va

Didn't see this posted yet.

[CaseyJones]

source other than an email?

[PursuePeace]

You also need to get 400 signatures in each county. IF and thats a big IF 33% signatures are invalid then Romney probably does not have enough signatures for each county. I'm sure Ron's campaign is aware of it and they will do what is right. We should not be concerned with this IMHO.

Not per County. It's 400 per district.

[kylejack]

http://www.dailypaul.com/200404/33-of-mitt-romneys-signatures-invalid-in-va

More at link.
This seems unlikely. They said they made the calls and verified enough signatures for Paul and Romney. Even if some were invalidated (a common thing) he had enough legit signatures because he turned in a lot of extras, as did Paul.

[kylejack]

More information:
A candidate who submits at least 15,000 signatures gets accepted without verification of signatures. Only Mitt Romney submitted that many. Ron Paul submitted just under 15,000, so his all had to be verified.


From the earliest days of the campaigns, RPV has actively told candidates that Virginia’s signature requirements could be a difficult legal requirement to meet for those who were new to Virginia politics.

In October 2011, RPV formally adopted the certification procedures that were applied on December 23: any candidate who submitted over 15,000 facially-valid signatures would be presumed to be in compliance with Virginia’s 10,000 signature law. …

Candidates were officially informed of the 15,000 rule in October 2011, well in advance of the Dec. 22 submission deadline. The rule was no surprise to any candidate – and indeed, no candidate or campaign offered any complaints until after the Dec. 23 validation process had concluded.

Despite this early notice and RPV’s exhortations to candidates, only one candidate availed himself of the 15,000 signature threshold – Governor Mitt Romney. RPV counted Governor Romney’s signatures, reviewed them for facial validity, and determined he submitted well over 15,000. Never in the party’s history has a candidate who submitted more than 15,000 signatures had 33 percent invalidated. The party is confident that Governor Romney met the statutory threshold.

Rep. Ron Paul submitted just under 15,000, and was submitted to signature-by-signature scrutiny on the same basis as the other candidates who submitted fewer than 15,000 signatures. After more than 7 hours of work, RPV determined that Rep. Paul had cleared the statutory 10,000/400 signature standard with ease.
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/29/va-gop-chair-we-sent-memo-on-petition-verification-in-october/

[jersdream]

Don't we want a one on one debate with Romney?

[sailingaway]

It doesn't matter. There was a statute or presumption as I understand it that said if you brought 16,000 you automatically went on. Ron brought just less than that, so his had to be checked. But I think unless Mitts folks used fraud, just making them up, they are ok. I didn't read the actual law, but I saw it described a few times.

Hm, reading the above, if they just did the presumption on their own not in the statute, that might be different. Still, people aren't going to remember to write in Mitt Romney?

[sailingaway]

Don't we want a one on one debate with Romney?

This too.

[AlexMerced]

the party should not follow up on this, if an individual or non-paul associated group, sure.

If Paul is associated with following up with this it'll come off "Anti-Democracy" and hurt us nationally, trust me

[eduardo89]

the party should not follow up on this, if an individual or non-paul associated group, sure.

If Paul is associated with following up with this it'll come off "Anti-Democracy" and hurt us nationally, trust me

You mean the campaign shouldn't.

[pinkmandy]

This is not good. I wouldn't pursue it and would drop it like a hot potato. After being on the repub party fb page and reading responses, people are already ANGRY that there are only 2 candidates. I mean really angry. So much so that if it comes down to just Paul as the only candidate there will be backlash. Probably along the lines of "everyone gets a redo" w/new rules in place. We have a 2 way race here now, that's great for us. I'd guarantee almost anything that only having one person on the ballot will be the excuse needed for a do-over.

[LibertyEagle]

This is not good. I wouldn't pursue it and would drop it like a hot potato. After being on the repub party fb page and reading responses, people are already ANGRY that there are only 2 candidates. I mean really angry. So much so that if it comes down to just Paul as the only candidate there will be backlash. Probably along the lines of "everyone gets a redo" w/new rules in place. We have a 2 way race here now, that's great for us. I'd guarantee almost anything that only having one person on the ballot will be the excuse needed for a do-over.

What you say seems logical to me.

[pinkmandy]

I should add that's the Repub party of VA fb page I was referencing. I know the RPV has gotten many, many angry letters re: there only being 2 candidates if all those who commented and said they wrote letters actually did. Many are vehemently angry, crying foul, make accusations of the party being in Romney's pocket, threatening to withhold contributions to the party, all kinds of things.

I can only imagine how they'd react if they were backing Paul and saw just a fraction of the shenanigans we deal with on a regular basis. ;)