Naomi Wolf: "I Have a Lot of Respect for Ron Paul!"

[ChooseLiberty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PITb4fHmbZ4

[johngr]

She implies that Hillary is a "decent person" (when clearly that's not the case). She talks about Ron as being "on the other side" and does not go so far as to endorse him (which she absolutely should if she really wanted to dismantle the police state). She has not distanced herself from Hitlery and endorsed Ron Paul or at least Kucinich. Until she does, she needs to STFU.

She's a gun-grabber. I don't trust gun-grabbers because a disarmed people makes would be tyrants' jobs much easier.

[0zzy]

:) Awesome

[ChooseLiberty]

I haven't seen her say anything about guns. Have a link?

Yeah she keeps trying to get Hitlery and Osama to go along for the ride. But she does mention they had a difficult time getting them to support her petition while Dr. Paul signed immediately.

I'm not seeing what's so bad about her message. If she's a shill, she's not doing a very good job.



She implies that Hillary is a "decent person" (when clearly that's not the case). She talks about Ron as being "on the other side" and does not go so far as to endorse him (which she absolutely should if she really wanted to dismantle the police state). She has not distanced herself from Hitlery and endorsed Ron Paul or at least Kucinich. Until she does, she needs to STFU.

She's a gun-grabber. I don't trust gun-grabbers because a disarmed people makes would be tyrants' jobs much easier.

[Electric Church]

well it's nice of her to say some nice things about Ron Paul...they're (the left) gonna all have ta deal with him sooner or later.

[DrNoZone]

I like some of Naomi's message, but until she endorses Ron Paul it's mostly just hollow coming from her.

[sergeant_x]

This is great. I'm about as staunchly free-market libertarian as anyone could be, but we're in a place now where that stuff won't matter if we can't save our nation. We absolutely need to reach out to liked-minded people from the "other" side of things. We can haggle over market legislation later. We have to get the neo-con traitors out of office as a first priority.

[Pete]

Naomi Wolf was a Rhodes scholar (CFR) and worked as a paid consultant on the 1996 Clinton and 2000 Gore campaigns, mostly advising them on how to get the women's vote. She advised Al Gore on how to dress and act as the "alpha male". Remember how the fool kept re-inventing himself?

I don't know what her role is in this election, but I'm pretty sure she has one.

[ChooseLiberty]

She crapped out on that one. LOL



She advised Al Gore on how to dress and act as the "alpha male".

[johngr]

Naomi Wolf was a Rhodes scholar (CFR) and worked as a paid consultant on the 1996 Clinton and 2000 Gore campaigns, mostly advising them on how to get the women's vote. She advised Al Gore on how to dress and act as the "alpha male". Remember how the fool kept re-inventing himself?

I don't know what her role is in this election, but I'm pretty sure she has one.

I call what she does "purifying the swamp". It's actually similar to the "poisoning the well" tactics used in Stormfront's "endorsement" of Dr. Paul. Wolf is very good at articulating anti-police state civil libertarian views and she's very believable. Since she endorses Clinton, Clinton becomes a civil libertarian by association without having to articulate the views herself or make any promises Her implication that Hitlery would only or mainly go after people like Drudge or Limbaugh (2 other disinfo agents she'd probably leave alone to continue their caricature conservatism) and leave the rest of us alone is pure-t disinfo.

In her talks I hear a lot of (certainly well-deserved) blame for the majority of Republican executives and legislators but little for the Quisling Democrats (esp. Lieberman, whom she campaigned for) that went along with all the bullshit.

A token mention of Dr. Paul does not mitigate her overall effect. She has to mention him or she looks like a complete idiot. Unfortunately, the effect on us is to pacify us and win our support. The only thing that would do so is an endorsement and repeated mention of Dr. Paul (and then I'd begin to wonder about him).

She refuses to repudiate Bill Clinton's initiatives with federal grants to local police departments that went a long way toward militarizing them tactically, equipment-wise and culturally. Her ilk has no problem with police state tactics so long as the targets are "right wing extremists", "gun nuts" or refugees from Communist dictators.

[johngr]

I haven't seen her say anything about guns. Have a link? .

She has more recently (publicly, at least), reluctantly reconsidered her opposition to the 2nd Amendment. Not sure what that's about. I assume it's a calculated position.


Yeah she keeps trying to get Hitlery and Osama to go along for the ride.

IMO that characterization is the polar opposite of the truth. Either that or she is very stupid and naive but knows how to act intelligent. Not buying it for a minute.


I'm not seeing what's so bad about her message. If she's a shill, she's not doing a very good job.

See my post above.

[Pete]

I call what she does "purifying the swamp". It's actually similar to the "poisoning the well" tactics used in Stormfront's "endorsement" of Dr. Paul. Wolf is very good at articulating anti-police state civil libertarian views and she's very believable. Since she endorses Clinton, Clinton becomes a civil libertarian by association without having to articulate the views herself or make any promises Her implication that Hitlery would only or mainly go after people like Drudge or Limbaugh (2 other disinfo agents she'd probably leave alone to continue their caricature conservatism) and leave the rest of us alone is pure-t disinfo.

In her talks I hear a lot of (certainly well-deserved) blame for the majority of Republican executives and legislators but little for the Quisling Democrats (esp. Lieberman, whom she campaigned for) that went along with all the bullshit.

A token mention of Dr. Paul does not mitigate her overall effect. She has to mention him or she looks like a complete idiot. Unfortunately, the effect on us is to pacify us and win our support. The only thing that would do so is an endorsement and repeated mention of Dr. Paul (and then I'd begin to wonder about him).

She refuses to repudiate Bill Clinton's initiatives with federal grants to local police departments that went a long way toward militarizing them tactically, equipment-wise and culturally. Her ilk has no problem with police state tactics so long as the targets are "right wing extremists", "gun nuts" or refugees from Communist dictators.

Well said. I think another role is that of 'truth-teller' (not that everything she says is true), helping to set the stage for an oppressive state so that it wouldn't come out of the blue: "I remember hearing some rumors about this; I wish I'd paid attention."

I agree with your idea of her "purifying the swamp" for Hillary. Also, she may be paving the way for an as-yet unannounced candidate. Nader has been making similar noises (and he is a Ford Foundation creation). 'Champion of the Constitution' Bloomberg?

Is anyone else bugged by her nervous giggling during these presentations?

[lucius]

Naomi Wolf was a Rhodes scholar (CFR) and worked as a paid consultant on the 1996 Clinton and 2000 Gore campaigns, mostly advising them on how to get the women's vote. She advised Al Gore on how to dress and act as the "alpha male". Remember how the fool kept re-inventing himself?

I don't know what her role is in this election, but I'm pretty sure she has one.

Astute observation--elite image consultant quasi-gatekeeper...jeez...

[johngr]

Is anyone else bugged by her nervous giggling during these presentations?

Could be her stunted conscience coming out around the seams. I know all high level newsreaders and political operatives are well-trained in this kind of thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sq-YUdq1OI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=befugtgikMg

[Scarecrow]

hte to say it but Naomi Wolf is a "Liberal" media GATEKEEPER

her book "Shock Docterine" is just a neo-lib reguritation of Diocletian's Problem-Reaction-Solution with out the Problem part.

[Dustancostine]

hte to say it but Naomi Wolf is a "Liberal" media GATEKEEPER

her book "Shock Docterine" is just a neo-lib reguritation of Diocletian's Problem-Reaction-Solution with out the Problem part.

Naomi Klein wrote "Shok Docterine". Not Naomi Wolf.

[RickSp]

All you purists who attack Naomi Wolf, perhaps you should read this:

Finally, Action! Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Defend Constitution! (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/finally-action-ron-pau_b_69042.html)

Naomi is a pro-choice feminist who obviously does not agree with Ron Paul on many issues but she does agree with his core values. I loathe Paul's immigration proposals which just so happen to violate the Constitution, but I support his campaign.

From Ms Wolfe's article:
Put aside your partisan ideal world -- sometimes issues simply transcend partisanship -- and if ever there is an issue that is above and separate from party politics, it is the restoration of the democratic system we inherited. There are good people and passionate patriots across the political spectrum.
...
Let's do it. There is no excuse now. The restoration of democracy is up to you -- as the Founders intended it should be.

Good advice.

[Kregener]

Wolf is trying to "cash in" on the surge of true patriotism growing in America since 9/11 and the implementation of the onerous USA PATRIOT Act and all the ensuing tyrannical "presidential directives" and legislation that has been foisted upon us.

Wolf would drop everything and rush to work on Hillary's campaign if she was asked to.

[RickSp]

Wolf is trying to "cash in" on the surge of true patriotism growing in America since 9/11 and the implementation of the onerous USA PATRIOT Act and all the ensuing tyrannical "presidential directives" and legislation that has been foisted upon us.

Wolf would drop everything and rush to work on Hillary's campaign if she was asked to.

Yah right. Spare me the bullshit and vitriol.

[Kregener]

You are spared.

Use the "ignore" feature.

[johngr]

All you purists who attack Naomi Wolf, perhaps you should read this:

Finally, Action! Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Defend Constitution! (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/finally-action-ron-pau_b_69042.html)

Naomi is a pro-choice feminist who obviously does not agree with Ron Paul on many issues but she does agree with his core values. I loathe Paul's immigration proposals which just so happen to violate the Constitution, but I support his campaign.

From Ms Wolfe's article:

Good advice.

So why is she not supporting Kucinich. I never attacked her, I just distrust her for obvious reasons, not the least of which is her trying to put makeup, a nice dress and jewelry on a pig.

[RickSp]

So why is she not supporting Kucinich. I never attacked her, I just distrust her for obvious reasons, not the least of which is her trying to put makeup, a nice dress and jewelry on a pig.

Give me a break. You never attacked her? You called her a "gungrabber" and wrote what sure sounds like an attack to me:


Her ilk has no problem with police state tactics so long as the targets are "right wing extremists", "gun nuts" or refugees from Communist dictators.

Lets see, she recently wrote a book, "'The End of America: A Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot"described as "an impassioned call to action to Americans to restore the checks and balances and our time-honored protections against abuses of power outlined by our Founding Fathers." She also has written good things about Ron Paul recently yet you feel free to call her names.

Ron Paul attracts a wide range of supporters even if you gentlemen seem incapable of seeing beyond your own conservative ghetto mindset. Get on board or get out of the way.

[iddo]

Her ilk has no problem with police state tactics so long as the targets are "right wing extremists", "gun nuts" or refugees from Communist dictators.

Did you even bother to watch the video? Why do you have so little trust in people who publicly support RP in Democratic crowds (she singled out RP 1st and Kucinich/Dodd 2nd/3rd). Here's the relevant part of what she said:
What the founders knew is that you can get any decent person in there, you give them unchecked power, and they become a monster. And that's why I'm just as scared if Hillary has these powers to imprison Matt Drudge, as Giuliani have these powers... Ron Paul has always talked about these issues, and it's amazing to see, he's on the other side, but I have alot of respect for what he's saying. And he has supporters really from both parties who are passionate about him because he's saying things like, we don't need an empire, let's just give up our oppressing nations all over the world and just have a republic.

[johngr]

Give me a break. You never attacked her? You called her a "gungrabber" and wrote what sure sounds like an attack to me:



Lets see, she recently wrote a book, "'The End of America: A Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot"described as "an impassioned call to action to Americans to restore the checks and balances and our time-honored protections against abuses of power outlined by our Founding Fathers." She also has written good things about Ron Paul recently yet you feel free to call her names.

So, why is she not supporting Kucinich?!


Ron Paul attracts a wide range of supporters even if you gentlemen seem incapable of seeing beyond your own conservative ghetto mindset

Please elaborate in detail on this "conservative ghetto mindset" I have more of an anarchist mindset, myself. Wolf, it looks to me has an authoritarian-communist mindset (I judge her by the company she keeps and whom she endorses, not by her well-delivered disinformation and an occasional reference to an honorable man).


Get on board or get out of the way.

Get on board what? Get out of the way of what? What's my third option?

[johngr]

Did you even bother to watch the video? Why do you have so little trust in people who publicly support RP in Democratic crowds (she singled out RP 1st and Kucinich/Dodd 2nd/3rd). Here's the relevant part of what she said:



What the founders knew is that you can get any decent person in there, you give them unchecked power, and they become a monster. And that's why I'm just as scared if Hillary has these powers to imprison Matt Drudge, as Giuliani have these powers... Ron Paul has always talked about these issues, and it's amazing to see, he's on the other side, but I have alot of respect for what he's saying. And he has supporters really from both parties who are passionate about him because he's saying things like, we don't need an empire, let's just give up our oppressing nations all over the world and just have a republic.

All she's doing is stating the obvious. She'd look like a fool if she didn't. And her implication that Hitlery would only or mainly go after fellow disinfo agents Drudge or Limbaugh and leave the rest of us alone is pure-t disinfo.

A token mention of Dr. Paul does not mitigate her overall effect. Unfortunately, the effect on us is to pacify us and win our support.

She is an analogue of Chomsky and serves a similar disinformation function to his.

Until she endorses Dennis Kucinich (or better yet, Ron Paul), she needs to STFU, IMHO!

[Gimme Some Truth]

Whats more important for her? pro-choice? or freedom?

[johngr]

Whats more important for her? pro-choice? or freedom?

Most important for her is to get Hitlery elected. To that end, she will use among other techniques, the one from NLP called "pacing and leading" (http://www.saladltd.co.uk/salad%20pages/Nlp%20tips/nlp_tip_5.htm). Hitlery will cooperate with her efforts on her end.

[Man from La Mancha]

Her backround just precludes to very be wary of a disinformation specialist. At least her video will get some of the unwoken looking and wakening.

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[ChooseLiberty]

Maybe we should be leery of her background, but you guys are really jumping thru hoops trying to turn her message into some kind of subterfuge.

AFAIK her analysis of tyranny both right and left is correct.

Maybe she's a left wing gatekeeper, but maybe she's waking up some of the people on the left to the nascent police state. Maybe they'll move to Dr. Paul or Kucinich.

Does anyone have any links to her statements against the 2nd amendment?

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[johngr]

Maybe we should be leery of her background, but you guys are really jumping thru hoops trying to turn her message into some kind of subterfuge.

AFAIK her analysis of tyranny both right and left is correct.

Maybe she's a left wing gatekeeper, but maybe she's waking up some of the people on the left to the nascent police state. Maybe they'll move to Dr. Paul or Kucinich.

Does anyone have any links to her statements against the 2nd amendment?

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

So, why is she not supporting Kucinich?!

[Man from La Mancha]

A Rhodes scholar is definitely a cigar.

.

[RickSp]

So, why is she not supporting Kucinich?!

Why do you keep asking the same stupid question?

I guess that Ron Paul is so universally loved and admired that you can reject supporters if they don't meet your particular peculiar standards. Idiotic at best.

[johngr]

Why do you keep asking the same stupid question?

I guess that Ron Paul is so universally loved and admired that you can reject supporters if they don't meet your particular peculiar standards. Idiotic at best.

So, why is she not supporting Kucinich?

[Highstreet]

All you purists who attack Naomi Wolf, perhaps you should read this:

Finally, Action! Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Defend Constitution! (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/finally-action-ron-pau_b_69042.html)

Naomi is a pro-choice feminist who obviously does not agree with Ron Paul on many issues but she does agree with his core values. I loathe Paul's immigration proposals which just so happen to violate the Constitution, but I support his campaign.

From Ms Wolfe's article:

Good advice.

Go to the Website......Sign the Petition......Plug for Ron Paul and The Tea Party in the Comments section....Contact the organization, ask them to more prominently promote Paul with Links to his campaign and letters about his staunch support of our Rights....Take positive action!!!

http://www.americanfreedomcampaign.org (http://www.americanfreedomcampaign.org///index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=41)

[Lord Xar]

I call what she does "purifying the swamp". It's actually similar to the "poisoning the well" tactics used in Stormfront's "endorsement" of Dr. Paul. Wolf is very good at articulating anti-police state civil libertarian views and she's very believable. Since she endorses Clinton, Clinton becomes a civil libertarian by association without having to articulate the views herself or make any promises Her implication that Hitlery would only or mainly go after people like Drudge or Limbaugh (2 other disinfo agents she'd probably leave alone to continue their caricature conservatism) and leave the rest of us alone is pure-t disinfo.

In her talks I hear a lot of (certainly well-deserved) blame for the majority of Republican executives and legislators but little for the Quisling Democrats (esp. Lieberman, whom she campaigned for) that went along with all the bullshit.

A token mention of Dr. Paul does not mitigate her overall effect. She has to mention him or she looks like a complete idiot. Unfortunately, the effect on us is to pacify us and win our support. The only thing that would do so is an endorsement and repeated mention of Dr. Paul (and then I'd begin to wonder about him).

She refuses to repudiate Bill Clinton's initiatives with federal grants to local police departments that went a long way toward militarizing them tactically, equipment-wise and culturally. Her ilk has no problem with police state tactics so long as the targets are "right wing extremists", "gun nuts" or refugees from Communist dictators.

wow. on point, imho.

[literatim]

So, why is she not supporting Kucinich?

She is your typical socialist.