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marcirvine
01-04-2012, 04:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcUORn0trtw


What was Rick Santorum talking about in his victory speech when he said he is going to cut $5 trillion dollars from our federal budget in 5 years, when our budget was less than $4 trillion in 2011? he obviously does not know what he is talking about and is making stuff up. watch from minutes 2:00-2:30
he was also glorifying the constitution and the founders. just trying to sound more like Paul, but clueless

sailingaway
01-04-2012, 04:25 PM
doubtless over 10 years from projected increase. The man is a wasteful spender who got more money from lobbyists than anyone else in congress his last year there.

flightlesskiwi
01-04-2012, 04:28 PM
doubtless over 10 years from projected increase. The man is a wasteful spender who got more money from lobbyists than anyone else in congress his last year there.

Rick Santorum is a sycophant.

HOLLYWOOD
01-04-2012, 04:30 PM
I "Double-Dog-Darn-You" and raise my cuts to $10 Trillion in 4 years.

Raudsarw
01-04-2012, 04:31 PM
Rick Santorum is an ancap? :D

matt0611
01-04-2012, 04:31 PM
The Federal Government will have a negative 1 trillion dollar budget. You see, its going to start making money by selling products to compete with the private sector and then give 1 trillion dollars a year back to american people in profits and we won't be required to pay any taxes either. That's how great Santorum is. :rolleyes:

moonbat
01-04-2012, 04:35 PM
Why are you linking to an anti-Paul channel? That guy hates Ron Paul!

pauliticalfan
01-04-2012, 04:35 PM
Ron Paul's the only one talking about ACTUAL cuts.

PastaRocket848
01-04-2012, 05:03 PM
The Federal Government will have a negative 1 trillion dollar budget. You see, its going to start making money by selling products to compete with the private sector and then give 1 trillion dollars a year back to american people in profits and we won't be required to pay any taxes either. That's how great Santorum is. :rolleyes:

hold on a second... that's a pretty good idea. why don't we do that? not full-on anarcho-capitalism, but why can't the gov't fund itself by profiting from services it provides? i don't want gov't run healthcare, but it'd be really cool if i could have the option to buy a cheap gov't plan in a competitive market. the gov't could profit a bit and use that to fund their adventures.

genius! i must be wrong. please, tell me why this is a bad idea...

Karsten
01-04-2012, 05:04 PM
Victory speech? Didn't Romney win?

seapilot
01-04-2012, 05:06 PM
There was a reason that Santorum polled so low for so long before the last week. Now everyone will be reminded soon why he should poll that way again.

Paulitics 2011
01-04-2012, 05:07 PM
Let's see his math.

LawnWake
01-04-2012, 05:07 PM
genius! i must be wrong. please, tell me why this is a bad idea...

Because it's not full on anarcho-capitalism >.>

And because you can't trust government to not regulate their comptetitors into oblivion. They would essentially be creating a monopoly and seeing as government is bought and paid for by corporations, you would actually be creating corporatism without the middle man. Basically state-capitalism a la the Soviet Union.

itsnobody
01-04-2012, 05:12 PM
lol...how is big government big spending Santorum going to cut 5 trillion?

Has he actually released a plan?

PastaRocket848
01-04-2012, 05:15 PM
Because it's not full on anarcho-capitalism >.>

And because you can't trust government to not regulate their comptetitors into oblivion. They would essentially be creating a monopoly and seeing as government is bought and paid for by corporations, you would actually be creating corporatism without the middle man. Basically state-capitalism a la the Soviet Union.

i don't agree. USPS is essentially what we are talking about, and UPS/Fedex are doing just fine. you'd have to reduce their regulatory power back to constitutional levels, though, or constitutionally limit what activities they can engage in and bar them from regulating said industries. it's an interesting idea when it comes to eliminating the income taxes and finding alternative ways to fund government.

if the gov't had a bottom line to protect and weren't spending YOUR money, they'd be far more thrifty. any money made in profit would be your "anti-tax return". alaska does something similar with their oil revenue. it's really not a bad idea compared to taxing people's labor and spending hundreds of billions of dollars on, well, nothing really.

unknown
01-04-2012, 05:19 PM
Dont question Frothy, he is all knowing:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBcUFrlAzXE

kylejack
01-04-2012, 05:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcUORn0trtw


What was Rick Santorum talking about in his victory speech when he said he is going to cut $5 trillion dollars from our federal budget in 5 years, when our budget was less than $4 trillion in 2011? he obviously does not know what he is talking about and is making stuff up. watch from minutes 2:00-2:30
he was also glorifying the constitution and the founders. just trying to sound more like Paul, but clueless
$4 trillion x 5 years = $20 trillion in possible cuts, assuming no increases.

Liberty74
01-04-2012, 05:22 PM
Santorum cuts NOTHING. He is reducing the increase of projected spending that goes up automatically every year.

Today we spend $10

Projected spending next year is $15

If Santorum spends $14...

He calls that a $1 cut yet spending actually went UP $4.

Santorum is being disingenuous and he freaking knows it. He is playing a game of words that are meaningless just like his campaign.

tremendoustie
01-04-2012, 05:24 PM
hold on a second... that's a pretty good idea. why don't we do that? not full-on anarcho-capitalism, but why can't the gov't fund itself by profiting from services it provides? i don't want gov't run healthcare, but it'd be really cool if i could have the option to buy a cheap gov't plan in a competitive market. the gov't could profit a bit and use that to fund their adventures.

genius! i must be wrong. please, tell me why this is a bad idea...

It's not a bad idea, so long as they don't use tax money/regulatory strongarm techniques to give themselves an advantage.

Frankly, I'm not sure why they'd be better at providing good insurance cheaply than anyone else would, but if they want to peacefully compete in the private market, they're welcome to it. I won't do business with them until they stop all the other bs, though, and become a truly non-aggressive organization.

NYgs23
01-04-2012, 05:50 PM
It's not a bad idea, so long as they don't use tax money/regulatory strongarm techniques to give themselves an advantage.

Frankly, I'm not sure why they'd be better at providing good insurance cheaply than anyone else would, but if they want to peacefully compete in the private market, they're welcome to it. I won't do business with them until they stop all the other bs, though, and become a truly non-aggressive organization.

But they would. They already do, even with so-called self-funding services. If not subsidized, those services still have a implied bailout from the taxpayers if they fail, like Fannie Mae does. They may have low-interest loans from the taxpayers, which their competitors don't get, access to land stolen through eminent domain, a state-controlled court system biased in their favor and so on. Furthermore, they don't have to pay taxes, unlike their competitors. If a state-owned service was truly 100% voluntary and free market, it wouldn't need to be a government service. And if the state itself was truly 100% voluntary and free market, it would no longer be the state.

Danke
01-04-2012, 06:03 PM
Rick Santorum is a sycophant.

Ya, Santorum is just pulling that out his ass.

row333au
01-04-2012, 06:40 PM
Rick Santorum's big win in this nomination’s Iowa GOP primary is remarkably similar to the big GOP Iowa winner of 2008 Mike Huckabee. Now from the hindsight, 2008 Mike Huckabee big justice and righting the wrong, now jumping to 2011 attacking Ron Paul tells ya what will be the future forecast for Rick Santorum....

Very much like Huckabee, Santorum is a very hard-core social conservative, zionist believer who has no concept of consent (pro-war, pro-globalist, pro-UN, pro-establishment: just have to look and research on his records) whose very big on big government proclivities extend far beyond social issues (
Santorum made the case, that "if gays can marry, what’s to prevent men and dogs from marrying.”.


Mick and Rick parallel selves can be evaluated with David Boaz [HT: co-blogger David Bernstein], and Jonathan Rauch’s thorough review of Santorum’s book laying out his political philosophy:


Santorum rejects what he once dismissed as “this whole idea of personal autonomy,” not to mention “the idea that people should be left alone.” He doesn’t just think that freedom should be heavily regulated; he’s against “the whole idea” on principle..

Santorum’s Big-Government Conservatism

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/287068/santorum-s-big-government-conservatism-michael-tanner


For A Working Class Champion Focused On Social Mobility, Rick Santorum Seems To Be Pretty Interested In Cutting Rich People's Taxes


http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/01/04/santorum_tax_cuts_for_the_rich.html


Something to explore as a lead to look at....

Legatus segment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuo6Mo1kH28&feature=related

http://www.dailypaul.com/154751/slush-fund-of-top-politicians-found-at-vatican-bank-obama-clinton-roberts-legatus-split

"prestigious Legatus award recipient"
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2010/jan/10010713
http://www.legistorm.com/trip/list/by/approver/id/83/name/Sen_Rick_Santorum_PA/submenu/personal.html

shadowhooch
01-04-2012, 06:51 PM
I can't find anything of substance on his website. There is only a section to donate. Anyone have any real details about his plan? All I could find is this:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2012/01/03/rick-santorums-tax-plan-would-blow-a-huge-hole-in-the-budget/?feed=rss_home

Drex
01-04-2012, 06:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osyblXkul30

He can't cut money when its obvious that he failed math class

Deborah K
01-04-2012, 06:57 PM
lol...how is big government big spending Santorum going to cut 5 trillion?

Has he actually released a plan?

You beat me to it. ;)

tttppp
01-04-2012, 07:12 PM
doubtless over 10 years from projected increase.

Thats exactly what I was thinking.

He did appear to be trying to copy Ron Paul's ideas...even though he has no intention of implementing any of them.

I also heard him criticizing Democrats for wanting to expand medicare, when he voted for it in the first place.

Mises_to_Paul
01-04-2012, 08:48 PM
Still not as impressive as a stimulus that creates 240 million jobs, Frothy.

Lets_Race
01-04-2012, 09:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeHVYuRnIjY

Highstreet
01-04-2012, 10:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osyblXkul30

He can't cut money when its obvious that he failed math class

That's good video. Despite the obvious gaff about 280 million rather than 2.8 million, his stupidity is showing thru on the "jobs lost" claim.
We need to spread that around.

Carehn
01-04-2012, 10:15 PM
Rick Santorum is an ancap? :D

:) riiiiiiiight.

Highstreet
01-04-2012, 10:23 PM
This old ad seems relevant to a discussion about Rick "saying" he will make cuts.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/W3kDLuNHIi8

Feeding the Abscess
01-04-2012, 10:55 PM
Rick is claiming he'll cut $5 trillion in five years. Probably while increasing military spending.

So, basically, goodbye to SS, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. Not a chance Santorum would touch those programs.

row333au
01-05-2012, 12:11 AM
"Rick Santorum Doesn't Just have An Anti Gay Agenda! He has An Anti Straight Freedom Agenda!"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK035Y2d-po&feature=channel_video_title

Santorum is just stealing and regurgitating Ron Paul's idea and saying its his own??? he flip flopping deceptively for popularity and lying to look like he is the one... his pro-war and no sooner he wants to turn Iran into glass...his biggest pro-crony-reserve bank and corporate lobbyist front...