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realtonygoodwin
01-04-2012, 04:12 PM
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/01/04/palin_republicans_shouldnt_alienate_ron_paul_suppo rters


I have deep differences with Ron Paul, but he's also right on a number of big issues and attracts support from folks who don't usually get involved in politics. Why antagonize and aggressively marginalize Paul supporters when the Right will need an all-hands-on-deck effort to defeat President Obama in the fall? Doing so might only serve to encourage many of them to "go rogue" or stay home.



Please be very respectful and polite. Remember, you represent Ron Paul.

lucent
01-04-2012, 04:18 PM
They already alienated us and they can't win without us. It is either Paul or Obama, they need to choose.

flightlesskiwi
01-04-2012, 04:20 PM
just like AF said last night...

that ship has already sailed.

69360
01-04-2012, 04:22 PM
townhall.com spammed me for a donation to frothy today. :confused::mad:

flightlesskiwi
01-04-2012, 04:27 PM
oh, and for those who have high blood pressure and support the ONLY principled GOP candidate, make sure you take some meds before reading the comments.

ShaneEnochs
01-04-2012, 04:28 PM
townhall.com spammed me for a donation to frothy today. :confused::mad:

Me as well! I was pretty surprised to his Santorum's name in my inbox.

Muttley
01-04-2012, 04:28 PM
I think the establishment continually asks these questions so they can gauge their strategy for the next line of bullshit they'll have to play.

Romulus
01-04-2012, 04:31 PM
They know the answer already.

Travlyr
01-04-2012, 04:36 PM
just like AF said last night...

that ship has already sailed.
Exactly. Now is time for the GOP to jump in and start swimming if they hope to hold on to any chance at all. Doing it today would be their best bet because before long it is hammer down ... sayonara goodbye.

Jingles
01-04-2012, 04:51 PM
Why is the social-con group of voters so concerned with people being gay? Reading through the comments is like insanity. I'm basically reading things like "People are free do what this wish unless its X, Y, Z, K, Q, R, or if I'm personally against it. Then we need to lock them in cages or impose the force of the state on them". Or people not understanding that initiation of aggression/force is immoral. I'm not even Christian, but I see such a grave glaring inconsistency regarding Christianity and preemptive war.

People need to run a reality check on the consistency of their beliefs/views.

FreeTraveler
01-04-2012, 04:59 PM
With the comments on that post, he really thinks we're stupid enough to have loyalty to people who talk about us like that?

pacu44
01-04-2012, 05:00 PM
To me, Ed Rollins looks resigned to the fact that they have lost the Paul supporters, a super majority of them, and that most of the establishment will not listen and he knows the outcome....

Rollins is no dummy... He knows how this is going to play out...

nano1895
01-04-2012, 05:02 PM
oh, and for those who have high blood pressure and support the ONLY principled GOP candidate, make sure you take some meds before reading the comments.
taking a brief look it's mostly just one dude commenting and replying...to his own comments so no meds needed :)

pacu44
01-04-2012, 05:03 PM
Am I out of my mind to think, IF, a big IF, IF Paul goes third party, can we get 30% of the general election?

Now 30% and we pick off a few states? Really, I do not see this being that much of a fantasy... We can pull ALOT of I's and I bet we can pull 20% of the D's and 20% of the R's....

Am I just out to lunch?

Danny Molina
01-04-2012, 05:05 PM
Why bother? It's not a place for anything resembling intelligent discussion.

69360
01-04-2012, 05:06 PM
Am I out of my mind to think, IF, a big IF, IF Paul goes third party, can we get 30% of the general election?

Now 30% and we pick off a few states? Really, I do not see this being that much of a fantasy... We can pull ALOT of I's and I bet we can pull 20% of the D's and 20% of the R's....

Am I just out to lunch?

Well it would depend on fair coverage and debate access. In other words no.

affa
01-04-2012, 05:08 PM
the comment section is absurd

Danny Molina
01-04-2012, 05:11 PM
I think you are out of your mind if you think we can get 30%. 10% is more likely is also an effective number. The GOP could never win if all Ron Paul supporters didn't vote for them which would mean holding the party hostage.

ghengis86
01-04-2012, 05:11 PM
just like AF said last night...

that ship has already sailed.

And the GOP is still waiting at the train station

MsDoodahs
01-04-2012, 05:32 PM
I don't read their site, so I am posting my response to the query here.

I heard Hannity say just yesterday that **he would not vote for Ron Paul if Ron Paul were the nominee.** He is by no means the only "conservative" pundit/talker/shill to make such a claim. Clearly the pundits/talkers/shills believe this to be an acceptable position for them to espouse against Dr. Paul.

Some of Ron's supporters (most of us?) feel that same way about the other GOP candidates: we will not vote for them. What goes around comes around: it is an acceptable position for *us* to take against the other candidates.

Yes, yes, yes - I fully understand what another four years of Obama will do to the country. I also recognize that the GOP "leaders" are fine with another 4 years of Obama (remember, Kristol called him a "born again neo con" and his delight with Obama's election was evident in his Daily Show appearance, I believe it was).

The GOP rank and file have a decision to make. It is a difficult one for many, in part because they have wrongfully trusted their leadership and pundit class for decades.

The choice is simple: Nominate Ron Paul, or get ready for another four years of Obama.

Because without us - you cannot defeat Obama.

We know it.

You know it (or you will soon enough, once you realize that the general will come down to a few key states with razor thin margins).

Every day you spend spewing more hatred at us is another day you spend galvanizing the No One But Paul stance.

Is it reversible? I tend to agree with my friend who said recently, "that ship ... has sailed."

Sadly for the rank and file - you have no one to blame but yourselves.

Anti Federalist
01-04-2012, 05:35 PM
No One But Paul

Can you fucking hear me now?

You just lost the 2012 election last night GOP.

You just lost, you're a dead man walking and don't even know it.

Sad actually.

Lucille
01-04-2012, 05:46 PM
The comments there are lovely. It's hysterical how they call Paul a leftist (project much, neoclowns?), and Obama anti-war when he's more of a bloodthirsty warmonger tyrant than the Neo-Trot puppeteers managed to turned GWB into (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9SOVzMV2bc).

I have no doubt that if/when a POTUS decides to go after Constitutionalists under the NDAA, that the neoclowns would be the first to cheer Paulians being disappeared.

The Five is talking about the same thing:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/102951.html

What kind of idiots or masochists do they think we are?

This one goes out to the GOP establishment hacks, mopes, tools and dupes (http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsWCZ_wXjHs

TimeForChange
01-04-2012, 05:48 PM
They sent me an email to pledge money to Santorum, I sent back a reply saying I would no longer recieve there emails and gave a detailed list of why I support Ron Paul and why he is my only choice out of the group

GHoeberX
01-04-2012, 05:51 PM
If there's two websites I don't like, it's definitely RedState.com and Townhall.com for their smears in December 2011. I'd even rather post on the Hannity-forums then on RedState.com or Townhall.com

P. R. Robinson
01-04-2012, 06:04 PM
RON PAUL OR NONE AT ALL!

Echoes
01-04-2012, 06:10 PM
FUCK YOU GOP

NO ONE BUT PAUL !!

TheOnlyJustCause4505
01-04-2012, 06:11 PM
After reading some of the comments, Im never going to click on another link from that site.

I really dont think another 4 years of Obama is something I can stomach, but Im sticking to my guns. I wont participate in the GE if Paul isnt running 3rd or R. This is going to be my first time voting in the upcoming primaries and Im only voting because of Paul.

I guess its my way of punishing those who refuse to use common sense.

Palmetto2012
01-04-2012, 06:17 PM
Why would I vote for the republican nominee given how the republican party just treated Ron Paul?

The republicans are just going to run a pro manditory health care socialist and our choice come election day will be between two socialists.

I'll pass. I would as soon just throw my vote away by voting for the Constitution or Libertarian Party nominee.

The republican party has lost my vote forever and while they may not know it yet, their actions towards Ron Paul will end up costing them the election.

They'll deserve it to.

69360
01-04-2012, 06:28 PM
They sent me an email to pledge money to Santorum, I sent back a reply saying I would no longer recieve there emails and gave a detailed list of why I support Ron Paul and why he is my only choice out of the group

You're better than me, I just sent it to my spam folder.

Captain Shays
01-04-2012, 06:42 PM
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/01/04/palin_republicans_shouldnt_alienate_ron_paul_suppo rters



Please be very respectful and polite. Remember, you represent Ron Paul.

Oh No! Too late. Sorry guys. Sorry Ron Paul. I wasn't polite to people who lie about me and my family and my candidate and who before that ignored him and us and now they are trying to rub my nose in their crap as they hold the door shut to my freedom. Next time I will be nicer. Sorry Masta

Captain Shays
01-04-2012, 06:44 PM
just like AF said last night...

that ship has already sailed.

AF said that? Again I find myself in agreement lol

TheTexan
01-04-2012, 06:45 PM
NOBP

Captain Shays
01-04-2012, 06:47 PM
Am I out of my mind to think, IF, a big IF, IF Paul goes third party, can we get 30% of the general election?

Now 30% and we pick off a few states? Really, I do not see this being that much of a fantasy... We can pull ALOT of I's and I bet we can pull 20% of the D's and 20% of the R's....

Am I just out to lunch?

You might be out to lunch but I have some good news for you. It would only take about 10% to ruin it for the scumbags

GeorgiaAvenger
01-04-2012, 06:47 PM
I'll be voting for the republican nominee. My mind is made up. NOBP doesn't help me out.

Echoes
01-04-2012, 06:50 PM
I'll be voting for the republican nominee. My mind is made up. NOBP doesn't help me out.

Romney, Bush and Obama dont help you out either. They are all the same crap, no difference except an R or D next to their name.

Break the vicious cycle and just say NO, NOT THIS TIME. I AINT GETTIN FOOLED AGAIN.

muh_roads
01-04-2012, 06:51 PM
oh, and for those who have high blood pressure and support the ONLY principled GOP candidate, make sure you take some meds before reading the comments. At this point I am fairly numb to the retardation that exists around us.

69360
01-04-2012, 06:53 PM
I'll be voting for the republican nominee. My mind is made up. NOBP doesn't help me out.

There is no practical difference between the rest of the GOP field and Obama. You gain nothing voting for any of them. But it's your vote do as you please.

Captain Shays
01-04-2012, 06:53 PM
After reading some of the comments, Im never going to click on another link from that site.

I really dont think another 4 years of Obama is something I can stomach, but Im sticking to my guns. I wont participate in the GE if Paul isnt running 3rd or R. This is going to be my first time voting in the upcoming primaries and Im only voting because of Paul.

I guess its my way of punishing those who refuse to use common sense.

I don't ever want to hear that again! THIS is why we NEED a stratgey if we're serious about NO ONE BUT PAUL in case he doesn't get the nomination. We NEED a suitable repository for our votes. Write ins won't count in my opinion. Not voting is out of the question and if you don't vote at all, it will NEVER be counted as the protest vote you intend.They need a place. Maybe some kind of coalition between Paul and Johnson? Maybe Johnson can be our Ron Paul vote. I am only saying this because the GOP hacks have already threatened Rand Paul with political ruin if his father runs as a third party candidate so I didn't want to see Ron really do it for that reason. I also don't want him to go down as a contemptable name in GOP history. WE and I mean WE need to do it for him but the only way it will work when we kick their ass is to kick it so hard that they can bite our toenails for us.

Elwar
01-04-2012, 07:12 PM
Send them this:

NoOneButPaul.com (http://www.noonebutpaul.com)

happyphilter
01-04-2012, 07:32 PM
No one but Paul. If we have to change the political party by sinking them over and over again, so be it.

The Gold Standard
01-04-2012, 07:50 PM
Am I out of my mind to think, IF, a big IF, IF Paul goes third party, can we get 30% of the general election?

Now 30% and we pick off a few states? Really, I do not see this being that much of a fantasy... We can pull ALOT of I's and I bet we can pull 20% of the D's and 20% of the R's....

Am I just out to lunch?

Ron could win as a 3rd party, but it would take a couple of things:

1. The various libertarian factions all get behind Paul 100%.
2. The rich libertarians send millions upon millions to the campaign and RevPac.

If that happened and RevPac had enough money to hammer all 50 states with ads for months on end leading up to November, Paul could win 35-40% and a plurality of states.

Travlyr
01-04-2012, 08:02 PM
Send them this:

NoOneButPaul.com (http://www.noonebutpaul.com)

Epic website!

GeorgiaAvenger
01-04-2012, 08:05 PM
Romney, Bush and Obama dont help you out either. They are all the same crap, no difference except an R or D next to their name.

Break the vicious cycle and just say NO, NOT THIS TIME. I AINT GETTIN FOOLED AGAIN.

It won't break the cycle, and I am not being fooled at all.

None of them will help me. Its a matter of who will hurt me worse.

GeorgiaAvenger
01-04-2012, 08:07 PM
There is no practical difference between the rest of the GOP field and Obama. You gain nothing voting for any of them. But it's your vote do as you please.

Sure there is.

At least with a Republican Obamacare can be gone, there might be decent SC justices, and the general socialism of Barack will be gone.

Would a Romney shrink government? No. I don't expect it to grow nearly as rapidly as Obama either.

It is in my interest to vote for the person that can bring about the best scenario for me. Excitement on a forum is nice, but I have a life to live.

bunklocoempire
01-04-2012, 08:08 PM
just like AF said last night...

that ship has already sailed.

Yes. Departure date was 2007-08.

I still haven't been able to pry that 40+ year GOP knife from my back.:mad:

-And now with NDAA, there is no way we're steering the ship back to pick the GOP up on establishment terms. It's called self-preservation.

It's us or them and they've showed their intentions.

NOBP.

Working Poor
01-04-2012, 08:16 PM
I'll vote Gary Johnson if Ron does not get the nom

Anti Federalist
01-05-2012, 12:48 AM
Repeat, repeat, repeat:

No One But Paul

Can you fucking hear me now?

You just lost the 2012 election last night GOP.

You just lost, you're a dead man walking and don't even know it.

Sad actually.

Anti Federalist
01-05-2012, 12:57 AM
Sure there is.

At least with a Republican Obamacare can be gone, there might be decent SC justices, and the general socialism of Barack will be gone.

Would a Romney shrink government? No. I don't expect it to grow nearly as rapidly as Obama either.

It is in my interest to vote for the person that can bring about the best scenario for me. Excitement on a forum is nice, but I have a life to live.

Romney would most certainly get rid of Ken Salazar at Interior.

That would most certainly improve my financial and job prospects.

Guess what?

Fuck that!

Freedom is more important than my own self interests.

At least the sunshine patriots are making themselves known long before hand, crimping and folding faster than a Chinese laundry.

Why would Romney "get rid" of Obamacare? He invented the fucking thing.

Why would Romney appoint anybody but status quo judges to the SCROTUS? It makes no difference if it's a right boot or left boot crushing my neck.

Why would getting rid of the "socialism" of O-bomb-ya be any better by exchanging it for the facism of Romney?

The three things of critical importance to me: ending the wars and occupations, sound monetary and fiscal policy and putting the brakes on the police state: NONE of those will happen under a Romney administration.

You really don't understand how this works yet, do you?

You still think there is a "difference" don't you?

freeforall
01-05-2012, 12:59 AM
Articles like this our so annoying. I don't think we should acknowledge their attempt to develop a strategy by answering their questions. We should be doing what we ask Ron to do and dictate the conversation by only posting the information we deem relevant.

PursuePeace
01-05-2012, 01:03 AM
NOBP.

donnay
01-05-2012, 01:26 AM
It won't break the cycle, and I am not being fooled at all.

None of them will help me. Its a matter of who will hurt me worse.

Ahhh the lesser of two evils still gives you an EVIL. You are stuck in the false left/right paradigm--breaking free from the matrix is always liberating!


Take a walk on the wild side and stop following people who are walking down the wrong path!

No One But Paul!!!

Because any other vote is a wasted vote and a vote for tyranny!

Echoes
01-05-2012, 01:27 AM
Sure there is.

At least with a Republican Obamacare can be gone, there might be decent SC justices, and the general socialism of Barack will be gone.

Would a Romney shrink government? No. I don't expect it to grow nearly as rapidly as Obama either.

It is in my interest to vote for the person that can bring about the best scenario for me. Excitement on a forum is nice, but I have a life to live.

Are you kidding me ? Republicans do NOT shrink Govt. I repeat DO NOT.

George Bush was worse then Clinton. Much worse as a matter of fact.

You've gotta get over this R vs D false paradigm, it's nothing more then a red sox vs yankees rivalry. Who's got the power is all they care about.

Romney is worse then Obama. You think he's gonna get rid of Obamacare ? HAHAHA he friggin invented it. And he's also more anti-gun then Obama. Now he prostitutes himself as a 'conservative' and thinks he can dupe me ? Wow, what an insult. No thanks Mitt, i've still got my dignity.

Apollonius of Perga
01-05-2012, 01:44 AM
Sure, I'd be willing to vote for another candidate besides Paul. His name is Gary Johnson.

jcarcinogen
01-05-2012, 01:46 AM
Are you kidding me ? Republicans do NOT shrink Govt. I repeat DO NOT.

George Bush was worse then Clinton. Much worse as a matter of fact.

You've gotta get over this R vs D false paradigm, it's nothing more then a red sox vs yankees rivalry. Who's got the power is all they care about.

Romney is worse then Obama. You think he's gonna get rid of Obamacare ? HAHAHA he friggin invented it. And he's also more anti-gun then Obama. Now he prostitutes himself as a 'conservative' and thinks he can dupe me ? Wow, what an insult. No thanks Mitt, i've still got my dignity.

Agreed.

silk30
01-05-2012, 03:47 AM
I had no idea that NOBP was an actual website. Thank you for posting that Elwar :)

Austrian Econ Disciple
01-05-2012, 03:56 AM
NOBP, Only Principles of Liberty (OPL), No Compromise. I echo AF. As much as I disagree with his positions concerning trade, protectionism, etc. I have to say I'd stand by his side any day of the week, even over the folks who may agree with me 100%, but are idiotic (or self-hating) enough to still pull the lever for the tyrants in some self-delusional rationalizing 'lesser of evil' STILL GETS YOU FUCKING EVIL. Get it yet? You LOSE and you support the goddamn system while you are at it. Why would the (R) change when they get your vote no matter what? You are fucking dupes who still buy into that shit.

Note: You is in reference to any individual who still pulls the lever in the delusional self-rationalization lesser of two evil BS.

Here, let Harry Browne educate you folks.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euckWFonKaU

WAKE THE FUCK UP. :D

scrosnoe
01-05-2012, 04:57 AM
Me as well! I was pretty surprised to his Santorum's name in my inbox.

Me three -- unsubscribed immediately [AGAIN!!!]

Captain Shays
01-05-2012, 09:52 AM
Sure there is.

At least with a Republican Obamacare can be gone, there might be decent SC justices, and the general socialism of Barack will be gone.

Would a Romney shrink government? No. I don't expect it to grow nearly as rapidly as Obama either.

It is in my interest to vote for the person that can bring about the best scenario for me. Excitement on a forum is nice, but I have a life to live.

A train can only go where the tracks take it. With ANY of the other candidates or even those suggested because the establishment doesn't like the current field of candidates and with Obama, the train is still on the same tracks.
Think of Ron Paul as the switch man who is the ONLY ONE who WILL take us back to the Constitutional principles set of tracks we NEED to be on to save this country from ruin.

If that describes it then your concern isn't what set of tracks, but how fast the train is moving and I understand your concern. Me? I jumped that train a long time ago

Captain Shays
01-05-2012, 10:04 AM
Romney would most certainly get rid of Ken Salazar at Interior.

That would most certainly improve my financial and job prospects.

Guess what?

Fuck that!

Freedom is more important than my own self interests.

At least the sunshine patriots are making themselves known long before hand, crimping and folding faster than a Chinese laundry.

Why would Romney "get rid" of Obamacare? He invented the fucking thing.

Why would Romney appoint anybody but status quo judges to the SCROTUS? It makes no difference if it's a right boot or left boot crushing my neck.

Why would getting rid of the "socialism" of O-bomb-ya be any better by exchanging it for the facism of Romney?

The three things of critical importance to me: ending the wars and occupations, sound monetary and fiscal policy and putting the brakes on the police state: NONE of those will happen under a Romney administration.

You really don't understand how this works yet, do you?

You still think there is a "difference" don't you?

There ain't no difference on the issues that you mentioned nor on a host of others you didn't mention which I don 't have to mention because you already know where I stand and I already know you agree with me.

FREEDOM


NO ONE BUT PAUL


did you hear that establishment scum?

Captain Shays
01-05-2012, 10:08 AM
Are you kidding me ? Republicans do NOT shrink Govt. I repeat DO NOT.

George Bush was worse then Clinton. Much worse as a matter of fact.

You've gotta get over this R vs D false paradigm, it's nothing more then a red sox vs yankees rivalry. Who's got the power is all they care about.

Romney is worse then Obama. You think he's gonna get rid of Obamacare ? HAHAHA he friggin invented it. And he's also more anti-gun then Obama. Now he prostitutes himself as a 'conservative' and thinks he can dupe me ? Wow, what an insult. No thanks Mitt, i've still got my dignity.

Obama attempted to bring us universal health care but failed. He can say that he tried though if noly to assuage his hard core collectivist supporters.
Romney will say that he tried to overturn Obamacare but came up against too much resistence. He needs another 4 years and then after that second four years it will be some other excuse. It's called racheting

unknown
01-05-2012, 10:12 AM
They already alienated us and they can't win without us. It is either Paul or Obama, they need to choose.

THIS IS EXACTLY what we NEED TO EMPHASIZE!!!

Theyre the ones who keep saying "anyone but Obama". So vote for Ron Paul!

Let them know theres no one else for us and we now hold about 15% nationally and growing!!!

>>>WE HAVE THEM<<<

Deborah K
01-05-2012, 10:22 AM
We recently showed our power when we responded to the attacks on Kelly Clarkson. They now realize what we have known for a while and that is the GOP can't win without us. Now they're trying to figure out what to do about it. LOL.

This is an opportunity to get more people on board. Use your social networks like never before and spread the truth about Ron's foreign policy, as I believe this is the only obstacle for the media-led. They need to understand that the world is better off with a President who wants Peace. Our job is combat the propaganda arm (MSM) of the war machine, by visiting as many sites as possible and disseminating facts with credible links to back them up.

Someone posted in a thread of mine that Ron needs to outline his foreign policy the way he outlined his economic policy. This should be done ASAP.

If we want the older generation on board, we need to convince them of Ron's foreign policy. End of story.

Anti Federalist
01-12-2012, 07:29 AM
NOBP bump.

This is going to get ugly.

Everybody better HOLD!!!!

LibertyEagle
01-12-2012, 07:42 AM
Sure there is.

At least with a Republican Obamacare can be gone, there might be decent SC justices, and the general socialism of Barack will be gone.

Would a Romney shrink government? No. I don't expect it to grow nearly as rapidly as Obama either.

It is in my interest to vote for the person that can bring about the best scenario for me. Excitement on a forum is nice, but I have a life to live.

Georgia, I have done what you are talking about doing, plenty, in my life. I will not do it again. Don't you see that this is how we got into this mess? Both so-called sides are essentially the very same thing at the top of the power structure. There is very little practical difference between Obama and Romney. There really is not.

Also consider that if people elect Romney, there will not be a Republican challenger in 2016. That means Rand will not have a chance in 2016. I can almost promise you that Romney will not improve a thing. There will be more wars and the economy will collapse even further. So, electing Romney would put off any real chance of change until at least 2020.

Are you willing to risk it? I'm not.

So, for me, it will be Ron Paul in 2012.

Note: Why are we even talking about losing? It's way too early for that. We still have a chance!!!

Tinnuhana
01-12-2012, 07:51 AM
I think Townhall has posted full-page ads, so to speak, for Ron Paul, too. I think the campaigns can buy space for that.

Captain Shays
01-12-2012, 07:55 AM
Is anyone else posting over there? I go back to see what others have responded to my posts and find that my posts have disappeared ESPECIALLY when I make a good point or use quotes from the founding fathers.

LibertyEagle
01-12-2012, 07:58 AM
Is anyone else posting over there? I go back to see what others have responded to my posts and find that my posts have disappeared ESPECIALLY when I make a good point or use quotes from the founding fathers.

I have posted a lot over there and my posts are still there.

Anti Federalist
01-12-2012, 08:04 AM
Good post.

Even later than 2020.

Consider: Willard for 8 years, then 8 years of the "other flavor".

You might be looking at 2028 before Rand has a reasonable shot.

No One But Paul


Georgia, I have done what you are talking about doing, plenty, in my life. I will not do it again. Don't you see that this is how we got into this mess? Both so-called sides are essentially the very same thing at the top of the power structure. There is very little practical difference between Obama and Romney. There really is not.

Also consider that if people elect Romney, there will not be a Republican challenger in 2016. That means Rand will not have a chance in 2016. I can almost promise you that Romney will not improve a thing. There will be more wars and the economy will collapse even further. So, electing Romney would put off any real chance of change until at least 2020.

Are you willing to risk it? I'm not.

So, for me, it will be Ron Paul in 2012.

Note: Why are we even talking about losing? It's way too early for that. We still have a chance!!!

Tyler_Durden
01-12-2012, 08:11 AM
townhall.com spammed me for a donation to frothy today. :confused::mad:

Me too. I was mad!! I only registered with them to participate in a poll, not to get frothy spammed!!

Barrex
01-12-2012, 08:28 AM
send them letter...get mad....give hell....

frodus24
01-12-2012, 09:22 AM
Here is my comment that I posted:

"Here is my 2 cents. President Obama received a ton of campaign contribution money from Wallstreet in 2007. President Obama has many Goldman Sachs employees on his administration. Same crap different day.

Mitt Romney's largest campaign contributor to date is Wallstreet and the Goldman Sachs crew. Same crap different day.

I will vote for no one except for Ron Paul. If I have to write him in, then I will. I and many others are sick of the crap!"

Occam's Banana
01-12-2012, 09:47 AM
Freedom is more important than my own self interests.

THIS^^. What's more, freedom is an *absolutely* necessary pre-condition in order for us to be able to pursue our own self-interests in the first place.

The absence of liberty is the chief enabling factor that allows some (the politically well-connected, for example) to pursue their own self-interests at the expense of everyone else's.

By supporting *any* of those (such as Obama, Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, etc.) who WILL work to contract rather than expand our freedoms, you WILL be working against your own self-interests.

This is true regardless of the fact that X may be "better" than (or "not as bad as") Y when it comes to this, that or the other particular issue/aspect.

Ron Paul is the ONLY one of the candidates who, as President, will work to INCREASE liberty. ALL of the others will work to DECREASE it - in many ways & forms. And that is ALL that is needed to be known.

Attempts to parse out which of those other candidates would be "least bad" is so much utilitarian-calculus-style bafflegab. Furthermore, considering the fact that such determinations necessarily depend on assessing & comparing numerous (and nebulous) counter-factuals, claims to the effect that Romney would be "better" than Obama are simply gibberish.

Dismiss all this as "too theoretical" or "impractical" if you will, but !'ll wager your course won't get you any more than it got for the people who did *exactly* the same thing (i.e., voting for what they imagined was the "lesser of evils") in the last election ... or the election before that ... or the election before that ... or so on. (Now, THAT'S what I call being "impractical" & "too theoretical"!!)

So go ahead, vote for the Republican nominee - whoever that may end up being. And If it isn't Ron Paul, see what that ends up getting you in the end.

LibertyEagle
01-12-2012, 09:50 AM
send them letter...get mad....give hell....

Over sending out an advertisement?

Look guys, CHOOSE YOUR BATTLES. This is not one. Just setup your email so that everything from townhall.com goes to an email file folder that you have setup for this junk.

flightlesskiwi
01-12-2012, 09:50 AM
THIS^^. What's more, freedom is an *absolutely* necessary pre-condition in order for us to be able to pursue our own self-interests in the first place.

The absence of liberty is the chief enabling factor that allows some (the politically well-connected, for example) to pursue their own self-interests at the expense of everyone else's.



i received this email yesterday evening, and i'm going to share it. i suggest we pass it around:


What is it about Ron Paul that inspires such extremes? Such maddening support on the one hand, and such fear and loathing on the other? I can give the answer in one word: Soul.


The essential soul of a human being is by definition free. The idea that men are free as determined by God is a concept that is foreign to most men. This is because most men want to control others, to take away their freedom. This is usually referred to as the drive for power. The drive for power is antithetical to freedom because power means the ability to control others. There is only one legitimate thing that power can and should be used for, whether it be military, legislative, or executive power. That is, to legalize freedom.


Ron Paul doesn’t want to be President to “give” me freedom. He doesn’t own my freedom and he didn’t give it to me. The only reason Ron Paul wants to be President is to stop punishing people for using their freedom that is rightfully theirs. He wants no power. This is clear to anyone who listens to him speak.


There are two kinds of human beings. Those who want power, and those who want freedom. You can tell which one’s which very easily. Those who want freedom are straight-edged. They are consistent, principled, and you can feel their human soul when they speak to you. There’s a continuum out there of human souls somewhere in spiritual cyberspace, and when you come into contact with one of these souls, you know immediately, because souls are by definition free. You sense sincerity, realness, consistency, a free human being. If you’re a man who seeks freedom and you come into contact with a real human soul, you become instantly addicted and you swallow up anything you can get your hands on. You want to unite immediately, no matter what you disagree on. There are people in the freedom movement that don’t exactly like Israel, especially me being a “settler” and I don’t care. If they want freedom, I sense it and my human drive for individualism suddenly turns into an intense desire to unite into a collective – but a collective of free individuals. It’s a beautiful dialectic, and it doesn’t matter what we agree or disagree on, as long as we agree on freedom.


You get hooked on Ron Paul and you desperately seek more and more, any video you can find from the past, any speeches you missed, anything he said that you haven’t heard yet, even though you’ve heard it a thousand times already in different words. You can’t help yourself. The voracious hunger to be able to use your God-given freedom takes you over entirely. It’s like you suddenly realize you’re human and the Divine Image with which God created you comes alive and catches fire.


But something else happens to you. Once you get hooked on Ron Paul, you can no longer bear to listen to a man who wants power, and you become instantly disgusted when they start saying words. Before, they were just boring. Now they’re revolting. Listening to Romney or Gingrich or Bush or Obama makes you sick and you don’t know how Ron Paul gets through those debates without getting nauseous. You see a political veneer in these politicians that’s so transparent it’s like a ghost flapping its ethereal tongue at you. You can’t bear it.


What’s so maddening about hearing Romney or Gingrich talk is that there’s someone standing there saying things, but there’s no soul in it. These are not free men. These are power men. Not that Romney or Gingrich don’t have souls. They do. They are men just like you and I. But they have practically forfeited their souls to try and attain power, to control others with spin and talking points and contradictory statements like “I want to cut the budget and expand the military!” and they’ll say it with a polished tone and a straight face, just like a soulless recording. Their humanity is so buried under the mountain of lies they have told themselves, that neither they themselves nor you can even sense their souls in the human continuum. The scene of a human body speaking but no soul communicating can drive a free man mad.


The reason that Ron Paul never goes down in the polls is that he’s not “convincing” people in the everyday sense that he’s right on whatever issue. He’s activating human souls, lighting spiritual fires one by one speaking about freedom. Once a soul gets activated, and the man realizes that he IS free no matter what people do to him or tell him, there is no turning back. The other candidates are trying to turn heads with snappy one-liners that sound cool. Slaves follow these one-liners like mobs, and follow each other from candidate to candidate. Slowly but surely, Ron Paul activates a few of the individual souls in the mob as they bob from snappy comeback to snappy comeback and he goes up in the polls.


Yet, we cannot expect every man woman and child to understand or get excited about the message of liberty. In fact, most just can’t handle it. Being truly free is as terrifying as it is electrifying.



Not everyone can handle the message of freedom. It’s too frightening for some people, and some are just too enslaved. Those are the people that despise Ron Paul, the same types who rebelled against Moses in the desert and attempted to go back to Egypt. Freedom is too much for them and they can’t handle the Divine gift. They want and need someone to control them. Their souls have been too battered by slavery, taxation, and wars. —Rafi

MrTudo
01-12-2012, 10:00 AM
Not only is it Ron Paul or nobody, if the republican party doesn't do the right thing soon such as supporting the Ron Paul movement, I shall work to help ANY group that works to deny them an election win, local, state and federal. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Occam's Banana
01-12-2012, 10:21 AM
i received this email yesterday evening, and i'm going to share it. i suggest we pass it around:
RPFs sez: "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to flightlesskiwi again."

Anti Federalist
01-13-2012, 06:17 AM
No One But Paul

Anti Federalist
01-13-2012, 01:24 PM
Attention SC:

No One But Paul